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Graphics or gameplay?
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gameplay
I mean, i still have a blast with snes games because they kick ass. Now, that isnt to say that games today aren't better, which they probably are (i guess i am playing devil's advocate to myself because older games are better, imo) because of the things that can be done today on modern systems but there is nothing like turning on the snes and playing some super mario world (and subsequently getting all 96 stars…)
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A healthy mix of both make a superb game.
Just gameplay only makes for a great game.
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Neutral. I believe you have to have both to get the full experience. But I don't care about massive impression PS3 graphics. I'm perfectly fine with normal PS2 graphics like in most Square-Enix games.
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I like graphics the most
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If I have to choose, Gameplay.
Look how games started. Were/Are they still fun? Yes.
Of course, an equal amount of both are great.
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Gameplay
Even after all these years, the old 8-bit games are a blast (and still frustrating) to play.
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Gameplay is why people play games.
Good looking graphics can only enhance that.
I don't care how good it looks though, if it plays like shit then it's shit.
But I guess there is a feasible limit to how bad it looks compared to how fun it is before I can't tolerate it.
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Without gameplay a game would be pointless, so definitely gameplay but having more power in a console is great. You get things like more people on screen and physics which is a great addition to gameplay, especially when you run someone over they go flying it's so much more fun doing things that before were kind of dull.
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As long as the graphics are around SNES quality or higher, then that's good enough for me. Well, maybe NES quality if they look as good as the Nekketsu series though.
I have strange taste though, because to me, 2D sprite graphics are the most visually appealing graphics around. I mean, I consider the first two Lunar games to have some of the most awesome graphics, because they look like tiny but tasty gummy snacks.
Oh, here's an example: I was disappointed that FF3 is coming for DS instead of GBA, because I much prefer the Wonderswan Color graphics (like FF 1+2 and FF4 for GBA had).
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Only one reason I play games, and it ain't so I can throw a wine'n'cheese party and have everyone admire the TV.
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graphics are fun to look at, but if I wanna play a game, I wanna play a game.
I still play nintendo games. My favorite fantasy is still 6. And classic megaman games are the best! now adays, when companies have graphics to play with, they sometimes get too involved in that, and forget about the game. coughFFXcough -
Gameplay is why people play games.
I don't think it's just me, but this was not always the case.
Up until the PS, Saturn and 64 were established and basically ushered in the rudimentary basis of what would become modern gaming (ie. polygons) graphics were a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge issue. At least the way I remember it. I don't wanna go all Rashomon but I have a feeling that's what the majority of the gaming youth felt as well back then.
Someone mentioned in another thread the old Sega and Nintendo commercials which were really heated battles between the two regarding power. Check 'em out on You Tube. They're harsh. Back then we cared about graphics a LOT.
Who remembers this golden oldie?
"GENESIS DOES! What Nintendon't!"
With images of Genesis games rocking.
Can you imagine that in this day and age? It's like XBox saying:
'The 360 pulverizes the Game Cube's potential!'
Truth? Well like, duh. But who the hell would make such a comparison today?
The jump from NES to SNES was huge. Put Donkey Kong Country side-to-side with even some of the best-looking NES games and it's astounding. Naturally there was reason to hype the graphics because it was something TOTALLY new.
Then the jump to polygons. Holy freaking crap. I mean, that just blew the lid off the whole thing. It's comparing different worlds.
But after that, graphics capability debates mysteriously vanished.
That's because there haven't been any major jumps in the past 3 (I'm including the latest) system capabilities. I mean MAJOR. Sure you can see sweat on basketball player's brows now. But…who didn't expect that? If anything I'm underwhelmed by what the new systems are capable of.
Compare that to the first shots of what 64 could do which blew everyone's brains straight out of their skull to splat on a wall.
Today the name of the game is gameplay. But, that's only until the next BIG advancement comes. It won't be simply polygon-pumping power, it's going to be something else, how the games are viewed. Until that comes along gameplay will be the deciding factor but I'm still fond of memories of days gone by where I spouted crap like:
"8 bits is so stupid! 16 bits has so much more colors!"
And thought it sounded intelligent.
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Oh, I just want to mention something (although it's kind of a different subject). I remember when games like Toshinden were new and hailed as having the best graphics ever (even Gamefan raved about the graphics of Toshinden 2). But when you think about it now, several SNES games actually look better than Toshinden did. I mean, they held up better over time.
But since polygons were new and in three dimensions, they were considered better at the time. But now, you can look back at the early polygonal games and they don't hold up as well, you know?
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The early polygon games for Saturn and PS look like a homicide scene. But they were still fun at the time. I dunno about Toshinden but I could see myself picking up Twisted Metal again.
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I kind of liked Toshinden because of the character designs, but I never played it that much for the gameplay.
I still like NiGHTS a lot (and Christmas NiGHTS). It's graphics were very colorful at least, and it's still a lot of fun.
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I don't think it's just me, but this was not always the case.
I know, it wasn't always the case. I was just assuming that most people reach a certain time in when the glory days compared to the here and now seemed like heaven. You're older then me so you remember the Genesis and SNES commerials much better then I, though I do recall Game Gear claiming Gameboy had spinach colored graphics. And you do have a valid point that since the jump to polygons it kind of became redundant. But I think what it boils down to in the end is that if you're not having fun playing then the bells and whistles can only amuse you for so long before you realize you could have spent your money on something fun or needed.
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Gameplay. Why else would I still be playing Tetris?
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Gameplay. Why else would I still be playing Tetris?
wow, that game is a fucking time trap. You can spend hours playing that. Even the original considering it is all the same shit (though the one with Super Mario World 2 theme in it was pretty awesome)
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Graphics are great and all, but gameplay is what makes things fun and enjoying.
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compare FFVI and FFX. gameplay forever.
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I like gameplay much better, I find theres no point in playing a game unless its actually fun, takes the point out of playing it really. Although, I guess graphics do play an important role in the playing of some types of games.
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Gameplay will always be fundamentally the most important, but anyone who says that graphics don't matter is a fool.
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and I hate thr old games are still fun therefore graphics don't matter argument since back then that was the best graphics that could come out it wasn't a choice
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yes, but the games have still stood the test of time even though the graphics aint so good anymore.
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And humble me thought that this was a joke topic… graphics all the way! I mean, come on: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6458000638798026851&q=adom.
Albeit, how the graphics are used is much more important than how much there are graphics. And there's often this little problem too - mainly that no matter how cool the graphics are, those graphics will suck eventually anyway. In less than a decade the current next generation graphics will make most of the kids' eyes to bleed.
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Somehow, every time I look at Chrono Trigger, I'm always bowled the fuck over.
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ADOM? Why not Angband??
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Gameplay all the way. If you had a game just loaded with graphics, it'd be nice to look at but the fun factor would be down to zero after your eyes have eaten all the graphical candy it yearned for. I'm personally happy with graphics on the SNES, Super Mario RPG is still very beautiful to me.
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Somehow, every time I look at Chrono Trigger, I'm always bowled the fuck over.
is that a good thing, or a bad thing.
btw, your sega vs nintendo is flawed. Sega did have better graphics, But Nintendo was always more popular anyways. Even going to the game gear/gameboy. game gear was amaising, but so many more people went the way of the game boy.
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And here I thought this was another Wii v. PS3 topic….
Anyway, I play game for the gameplay. Or the storyline or characters or whatnot. But not for graphics.
Though, if it looks like a pile of horsecrap, I don't think I'd pick it up to see what kind of gameplay it has.
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is that a good thing, or a bad thing.
typically, one is usually bowled over by how good something is and Chrono Trigger is fucking great. Man, i need to play that game again.
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ah, ok. I'd never heard that termanology before. I like CT, but that didn't mean greg did. :)
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ah, ok. I'd never heard that termanology before. I like CT, but that didn't mean greg did. :)
Good point. At least i hope he likes it, it is one of those timeless classics.
Speaking of Chrono Trigger and graphics, did anyone see the remake of it with gamecube-esque graphics? too bad it got the C&C from Square-enix…
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Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 are tied for the greatest games ever made.
Since people are making a huge deal about 12's story…I dunno. I may be able to overlook the battle system and be forced to put it in my top but....I don't think anything from here on will ever touch Chrono Trigger or FF6. Never played a game since that made me feel quite the same way as those two.
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CT and FF6 are examples of games that had the best kind of graphics for their time, and are still visually appealing to this day (at least to me). I don't think they need any improvement as far as graphics go.
FF6 for GBA better get a US release (which it should, since FF5 for GBA is coming soon, so I can't imagine they wouldn't bring out FF6). Then I'll be able to experience hopefully the best version (if they fix all the bugs and such - like evasion so that certain items actually have a purpose).
Astal for Sega Saturn still amazes me with its graphics.
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Gameplay. Tales of Symphonia looks only above average, but it's probably the best game I have in my collection at this point. Graphics are important too, but if it's an older game like something for the 64 of SNES, I'll let graphics slide.
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CT and FF6 are examples of games that had the best kind of graphics for their time, and are still visually appealing to this day (at least to me). I don't think they need any improvement as far as graphics go.
.the intro with the magitec armor marching towards narche, as the dramatic music plays…oooh, I still get a tear to my eye watching that. Even though it's SNES graphics, I feel I am right there following them, and the music not need be mp3 quality, it's still beautiful to hear. Now, that's talent, making a beautiful intro scene like that, with limited graphics, and sound quality.
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I remember playing Mortal Kombat with my uncle when I was a kid. I remember as I played, I admired how it looked while my uncle beat the ever-loving crap out of me in the game. Every single time we played, I would think, "Wow. There is no way anything will ever look better than this." Star Fox, Street Fighter, and Donkey Kong Country also gave the same impression.
And now we have things like the PS3, 360, and Wii, with super-realistic graphics and 3D shapes. And my uncle told me that, when he was a kid and he was playing Megaman on the NES, he thought the exact same thing I did. And my dad thought the same thing when he played Donkey Kong on the Colecovision.
That has nothing to do with the subject, it's just kind of funny how amazing our technology is today.
Anyway, on-subject, anyone that says graphics don't matter in the slightest needs to go play an Atari game. They are much, much more difficult to get into than even an NES game due to the horrendous graphics. In the end, gameplay is more important, but good graphics make good gameplay all the better.
And I agree with Greg about the Chrono Trigger thing. Especially flying around on the Epoch, using Spire and using Luminaire, I find that the graphics are just super-powerful. What a great game.
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Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 are tied for the greatest games ever made.
I don't think anything from here on will ever touch Chrono Trigger or FF6. Never played a game since that made me feel quite the same way as those two.
Great points. Those games are at the very top of my list. Xenogears is another one that i feel is deserving and doesnt nearly hold up as well graphically as those two, but none the less.
SNES had some great RPGs (secret of mana 1 and 2, SMRPG, CT, FF6 (ff5 was pretty good), and others
R.I.P. (for now) KO-Scans
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Well to the person who said he thought this was a Wii vs PS3 debatle, You cant really judge gameplay for different consoles since the games make the gameplay and the console just control how you use them.
Did anybody use to play shooting games with the gun you can get for ps2? I still love duCK hunt. lol
yeah im here
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I'm not reading the other replies because if anyone said "Graphics" I'd be super duber pissed at them.
Yes the two work good together, but if I had to have one or the other, gameplay… I mean DUH... pisses me off when people say a game is good (Sonic Heroes) because the graphics are good. No thanks, I'd rather play an ugly game where I don't fall though floors for no reason.
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It goes both ways, it is hard to play a game with horrible graphics.
And what do you guys classify as gameplay? I always thought it was how the characters moved and how smoothly my controller plays into the characters.
How important is a good story? A story and gameplay is different to me, other people group it in the same category.
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no, your right. game play is how the game is played, and how the controler controls the action in the game. Some good games, just had good game play and story, and we're getting caught up in our memories.
I think FFX is a good example, of good graphics, good story, but bad game play.
And I don't care how good a story is, if I get to frustrated getting off the first level, because I can't control the charicter. I remember the NES ronold mc donald game was like that. um, there was a NES game I rented once…miles, miltons. magic castle. something like that. I never got off the first level, cause the game play was horrid. Lion King for SNES or Sega, how your suposed to defeat scar without cheats, is beyond me. Abe's Oddesy for PSX, was difficult to figure out how to progress in the game. I loved the intro, and the charicter though.
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I vote for a combo of both~
Story too.Although some games all you need is the gameplay.
Although some games are really beautiful…I think it depends a lot on the type of game.
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Gameplay for me. I still play 2-d fighters (SNK & Capcom) which are considered inferior by todays standards (even SF3). A combination of both is good, but if you have to have one, should be gameplay. Nothing worse than a game that controls horribly (I can deal with boring gameplay tho)
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Did anybody use to play shooting games with the gun you can get for ps2? I still love duCK hunt. lol
No but I had Namco's GunCon for PSX and I've wasted many hours into Point Blank and Time Crisis.
I'm always been big on different peripherals… light guns, toy guitars, bongo drums. You can always play Guitar Hero without the toy guitar. The game is exactly the same when you play it with Dual Shock and some things can be even more easier when played with Dual Shock. But it's not the same experience anymore. It's not nearly as involving anymore and that matters the most. Ah, this is probably why saying Wii gives me such delicious taste to tip of my tongue.
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My choice would definetly be gameplay. What's the point in playing a game with pretty graphics if you throw the controller down in frustration because the gameplay is a joke?
