@Spi:
Or you could tell me who he is.
**Seriously, chillax.
He is the guy with the Panda mask (or'z it his real face? :shocked:) that Oda sneaks into the manga sometimes.**
Chapter 432 "Jack in the Box" Discussion
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Octo, it's Yonkou dude
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No clue who that is, but I watched the anime before I started reading the manga, so I haven't read every chapter.
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Soooooooooooooo
It looks like the Strawhats have been at sea a very long time. I wonder how old Luffy is now. Im guessing hes at most 21.
So, do you guys think we'll be getting right back into the action within the next 2 chapters? (Garp says find Dragon, Luffy and crew head out, Usopp and Luffy regain their friendship)
I think the next arc will be the Donflamingo and Bear arc. Bear and Donflamingo most likely work for Dragon, allowing for lots of plot twists.
However, we need some Blackbeard action before the D/B arc. Blackbeard either needs to gain a spot in the Shichibukai, or lose to someone (Ace or Luffy?) before anymore Shichibukai get defeated.
Oda is just so unpredictable… I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER
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**Luffy is still the same 17 year old rubber butt he's always been.
:::And this chapter just speaks leagues of about the strengh of the higher ups. I mean LUFFY was SCARED.**
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Soooooooooooooo
It looks like the Strawhats have been at sea a very long time. I wonder how old Luffy is now. Im guessing hes at most 21.
No man… it've been explained countless times on these forums, and most recently by Greg, that between the time they entered Grandline until now, a year couldn't have passed.
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It looks like the Strawhats have been at sea a very long time. I wonder how old Luffy is now. Im guessing hes at most 21.
yeah dude. sorry. Although the time from Dawn Island to Logue Town is somewhat questionable, a year has not yet since passed since Logue Town.
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I find it off how the only on on the cover page who is (supposedly) not alive is Saul. A hint from Oda?
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This is probably the most revelation we've gotten out of one chapter! Dragon being Luffy's dad was even more unexpected than him being related to Garp. Now we know where Luffy got his strength from. And I'm with Aldrich on this one; I never thought I'd ever say "It's good to see Coby back!". He looks so cool now, and taller. I still wonder where he got that scar on his forehead?
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Please excuse me while I pick my jaw up off of the floor…
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**I can't wait 'till Coby meets Alvida.
(cause you KNOW it's gonna happen)**
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Well, for all the people bragging "I told you so," here's a sign to all the people who went "Oda doesn't need to use every character he's introduced." Just a little information on two people he introduced and we're dropping our jaws. Imagine what will happen the next time we see a shichibuki, admiral, or emperor without shading.
I can't wait 'till Coby meets Alvida.
(cause you KNOW it's gonna happen)
You know, though Coby is stronger, wouldn't Alvida's new devil fruit still give her an edge, dispite his speed? Of course, Coby could also be too fast to be hit. It might be a stalemate…
hey, maybe this means we'll be seeing Buggy's crew soon?
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@Octogon:
**I can't wait 'till Coby meets Alvida.
(cause you KNOW it's gonna happen)**
Or Helmeppo meets Morgan
One other notice
Luffy is scared like a wimp (maybe it's because of the training that Garp gave him)
But I think if he didn't fear Garp he could give a fight to Old Grandpa by now
I think Sanji is gonna have a fight with a Great Pirate for the look of one of them Sanji is the right man for the job (talking about the guy that looks like Wanze)
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One thing I found particularly noteworthy: When Dragon came up, Luffy turned to Robin, out of all the people there who obviously also knew what was up, to explain it to him.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@Octogon:
I find it off how the only on on the cover page who is (supposedly) not alive is Saul. A hint from Oda?
I've given up assuming anyone in OP is dead unless they explode into chunks in front of witnesses or have a bullet through the brain with resulting gore.
I've always considered him alive until proven dead ^O^
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I've given up assuming anyone in OP is dead unless they explode into chunks in front of witnesses or have a bullet through the brain with resulting gore.
I've always considered him alive until proven dead ^O^
I'm pretty much the same, unless it was a minor character such a roshio or Mr.11
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For the most part, I loved this chapter. Coby using Soru was a bit too much, the proliferation of rokushiki skills beyond the W7 arc is irritating, but seems almost unavoidable at this point.
Dragon being Luffy's father nicely ends most of the irritating Gol D. Roger relation theories. I wouldn't saying there was any real evidence pointing towards or away from a relation between the two. I believe Ace is Luffy's actual brother, despite the strange name difference, possibly a half-brother, or maybe the Monkey name is only given to one child in the family? Not that would make much sense.
For Coby and Helmeppo "to grow so much in such a short time", as Luffy stated it, gives us a chance to keep the generally accepted timeline of 3 months alive, but still makes it difficult to believe. Still, it's doubtful they've been sailing for more than a year.
Coby and Helmeppo may be fighters now, but they're still no match for Luffy and Zoro. Coby only got one surprise kick in before Luffy beat him down, and Helmeppo appeared to have just as little success.
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Note: The non-Whitebeard/Shanks emperor has the Bellamy/de Flamingo's upside down sign on his chin/hat.
How could anyone know? Besides, what makes you think his rank changed if he didn't even go to the ceremony where he and Tashigi were supposed to be given medals and promoted? Given Hina's reaction, it's more likely he's still a captain and on the verge of being fired from the Marine.
I thought that the ranks were outlined on the cover page, since Smoker was aligned with Saul while Hina with Tashigi.
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Just a thought, would Garp be getting into trouble now with the WG since he knew who Dragon was and probably met with him sometimes. Yet Garp never told anyone until now.
I mean, now the WG has the perfect counter to Dragon. Just put Garp on death sentence for treason and a son will have to come to a father's aid, right?
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I thought that the ranks were outlined on the cover page, since Smoker was aligned with Saul while Hina with Tashigi.
Not exactly, Sen Goku and Aokiji are not hte same rank. Neither are Tashigi and hina for that matter–when we last saw them both Smoker and Hina are captains.
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@Octogon:
**I can't wait 'till Coby meets Alvida.
(cause you KNOW it's gonna happen)**
Maybe they'll fall in love :wub: Hahaha.
One thing I found particularly noteworthy: When Dragon came up, Luffy turned to Robin, out of all the people there who obviously also knew what was up, to explain it to him.
I thought that was interesting too. It's like she's really fallen into her role in the crew now.
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I mean, now the WG has the perfect counter to Dragon. Just put Garp on death sentence for treason and a son will have to come to a father's aid, right?
No corruption of blood, please. You'll execute the guy who fought with Roger just to catch his son and grandson? I don't think so.
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cool thanks!
and pandaman is there as well!!!
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that picture of Dragon is sooo nice.
It made me look back at the other appeances of Dragon in Loguetown.a few notes:
It is possible Dragon sent the lightning that freed Luffy when Buggy was going to chop off Luffy's head.
Also, Dragon sends some sort of wave/hurricane to allow Luffy to be freed from Smoker's grasp.
Maybe Dragon has eaten a Storm-Storm fruit.Smoker knows who Dragon is, but does not attempt to stop him.
that's all for now,
and thanks to all who help share this incredible story.
i am coloring in the picture of Dragon and will post it in the creative area when it is done.flyingeye
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Anyone find it strange that the Navy didn't do a background check on Garp..I mean if Dragon is SOOO famous, how would people not know who his relatives are and stop them frombecoming Navy officers…that's alittle far-fetched...
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
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No corruption of blood, please. You'll execute the guy who fought with Roger just to catch his son and grandson? I don't think so.
Well, this is the same government that leveled 2 island in the name of justice and stability. If they feel that Dragon presents a clear and present danger, then I see no reason why they wouldn't use Garp in some way to cause the downfall of Dragon now that they know the extent of their relationship.
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@Ao:
Anyone find it strange that the Navy didn't do a background check on Garp..I mean if Dragon is SOOO famous, how would people not know who his relatives are and stop them frombecoming Navy officers…that's alittle far-fetched...
The marines only just found out Dragon's full name. They couldn't have had any idea that Garp was related to him. So I don't see it as being far fetched at all.
This was a fantastic chapter. It's a good time to be a fan.
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This could be a secret since everyone at that present discussion was surprised. Marines and Pirates alike.
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@Ao:
Anyone find it strange that the Navy didn't do a background check on Garp..I mean if Dragon is SOOO famous, how would people not know who his relatives are and stop them frombecoming Navy officers…that's alittle far-fetched...
Garp was probably already a Marine by the time Dragon was born, considering that he's so adamant about Luffy being one too.
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Thankies to BF and Oda for the providing us with an incredible chapter.
I wonder what Garp did for Aokiji that ol' Admiral frosty owes debt for?
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Though it's sunken in, I'm still not happy about the whole Dragon the father thing. Most wanted man in the world who also happens to be Luffy's father..
and I think the reason why no emperor has become the pirate king yet is because if he try, the 3 others will go after him (with the shishibukay and the marine on top of that). it's a blocked situation where no one can move.
Great theory for why no one has been able to attain One Piece yet. The emperors are locked in a stand-still.
I imagine any other pirates that try to enter their territory deep in the Grandline are either absorbed or destoryed. Hence the immense crews we've seen Whitebeard and Shanks possess.
i Base that on a DF thats basicly godlike against anyone short of a Logia and some Paramecias,
According to Robin herself her power has limitations (line of vision, distance, vulnerability, etc.) She doesn't have incredible speed or strength nor does she seem concerned with making herself stronger, further developing her powers or training like the others. But that's how Robin is: not concerned about anything.
I like Robin, but saying she's "strongest, second only to Luffy" is an over-estimation with little evidence. I do hope she gets to fight a "serious" opponent in future (maybe Champion).
But yeah, as others already noted, my original point was that there are no "Great Power" females. Robin and Hina are the best we've seen.
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The fact Luffy doesn't see him when Dragon saves his ass and Dragon saying "so he became a pirate?" in Loguetown weren''t big enough clues? He doesn't see him -> they know eachothers -> they know eachothers -> they're related. Dragon seems too old to be Luffy's brother, we know since last week he's not his grand father, and here you go.
It's not super obvious, but compared to last week, that's nothing to write home about.
You're assumption does not make sense. It's simply 1 possibility out of a 100 or so.
Just cuz we see Dragon say "So he became a pirate", doesn't mean he has to be luffy's brother or father. He could be let's say an acquaintance of Shanks, some1 who knew Gold D. Roger, … u get the point..Newayz, alot of people are saying ACE is half brother instead of full brother. Think about it for a second. There is a big flaw in that theory. 1st of all Luffy and Ace called each other brother , also Garp just called them brothers.
ACE name being Portagas D. Ace, instead of Monkey D. Ace, doesnt imply anything! ,
think about it. Gold D. Roger, should we expect Gold D. Roger to be "Monkey D. Roger?" just because he is a "D"? ovbiously not.
Same thing can be said about "Jaguar D. Saulo".. it's like saying how come he is not "Monkey D. Saulo" since he is a "D".newayz great chapter!! wht a surprise. I I am surprise that some of you here is not surprise. Even if some1 sorta hinted or guessed this stuff or theorised it, it's hard not to be surprised. I mean we've only seen Dragon with a few lines. So it's hard to say "oh it's hinted" IDK about every1 else, but that's no freakin hint....
I think Sichibukai as a whole is weaker than the "4 emperors"., perhaps there is exception like Hawkeyes Mihawk. but, I mean Luffy beat a Sichibukai even b4 he gained level 2. So that should say something.
But Sichibukai as a group can balance the power of 4 emperor, beacuse it's 7 Sichibukai + their crew against 4 Emperoros + their crew. The difference in power is perhaps made up by 3 extra Sichibukai compare to the 4 emperors.
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@Taz:
But yeah, as others already noted, my original point was that there are no "Great Power" females. Robin and Hina are the best we've seen.
allrighty then that i have no objection to i was just specificly replying to the no strong womenfolk post.
and while i dont agree with whatcha think about Robins strength lets not get into a mega thread consuming argument about it.
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@xSharingaN01x:
You're assumption does not make sense. It's simply 1 possibility out of a 100 or so.
Just cuz we see Dragon say "So he became a pirate", doesn't mean he has to be luffy's brother or father. He could be let's say an acquaintance of Shanks, some1 who knew Gold D. Roger, … u get the point..Don't tell me the fact he could be his father never crossed your mind seriously. You're all going to tell me Dragon being related to Luffy is even remotely comparable to Garp being his grand father? Please. And no it's not " a possibility out of 100 or so". Either they knew eachother cause Dragon was a pirate and met Luffy during one of his trips in his village, but we had this with Shanks already, either they were related, which was the simplier and most obvious solution.
I'm not criticizing it, I think it's a rather minor information compared to the rest of the stuff uncovered in the chapter especially the 4 Emperors stuff, but everyone acting as if they didn't see the big Star Wars cliché coming from 50 miles away…
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Don't tell me the fact he could be his father never crossed your mind seriously. You're all going to tell me Dragon being related to Luffy is even remotely comparable to Garp being his grand father? Please. And no it's not " a possibility out of 100 or so". Either they knew eachother cause Dragon was a pirate and met Luffy during one of his trips in his village, but we had this with Shanks already, either they were related, which was the simplier and most obvious solution.
I'm not criticizing it, I think it's a rather minor information compared to the rest of the stuff uncovered in the chapter especially the 4 Emperors stuff, but everyone acting as if they didn't see the big Star Wars cliché coming from 50 miles away…
You're 1 of the few people saying that it's kinda ovibous or hinted. Hard to belive, if it's hinted or ovbiou , then the possibility of "dragon" being luffy's dad would hae crossed most people's mind. Newayz like I said, it's a possibility. The fact that only a handful of people including yourself "saw this coming" is proof that it is not ovbious or strongly hinted.
Soem people were wondering what "smoker's" rank is. I believe in the anime it is " Lieutenant Smoker". IDK if some of you remember, but when Going Merry fell in "marine stronghold" the person in charge at the end says "Lieutenant Smoker captured Crocodile, IDK what you gained by going to Arabasta, or coming here (refering to marine stronghold)"
I want to know more about the 4 emperors and also see a showdown with Donquxjote DonFlamingo
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@Ah1Tm4N:
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D Luffy so…whats with
Portgas D. Ace?As for why Ace has a different 'family' name, one possibility (besides anger at being abandoned by his father, having a different mother or father than Luffy, etc.) is that Ace could have changed his name in order to protect Luffy while Luffy was growing up.
Perhaps Ace thought that it was okay if people figured out that Luffy is Garp's grandson, but it might have been dangerous if people learned that Luffy was related to a notorious pirate like Ace (especially while Luffy was young and vulnerable).
So why does Luffy unabashedly use his real name while Ace doesn't?
(1) Ace warned Luffy not to and Luffy simply forgot. (Doh!)
(2) Ace figured that by the time Luffy became known as a pirate, Luffy would be strong enough to take care of himself.I'm also curious whether Whitebeard knows Ace's parentage – not just as a D, but as Dragon's son, Garp's grandson, etc.
And now that we know that Shanks is one of the Four Emperors, it puts an interesting light on Shank's interest in Luffy. I mean, he loiters around Luffy's home (for at least a year?) while Luffy is growing up, then he abruptly decides to leave as soon as Luffy truly realizes (for the first time) what he really needs to do in order to fulfill his dream of becoming a pirate -- and not just an ordinary pirate, but rather an extraordinary pirate.
It's quite a coincidence. Or was it more like a case of 'mission accomplished' (i.e., subtly 'encouraging' Luffy into becoming a pirate (instead of a marine) and improving himself)?
So why was Shanks so interested in Luffy? And just how much of his actions at Luffy's home are the result of genuine affection? And how much (if any) can be attributed to some ulterior motive and/or secret agenda possibly involving the Ds? Did Shanks save Luffy (and sacrifice his arm) merely because he liked the boy. Or did he do it because he felt it was somehow necessary that Luffy survive? Or was it a combination of those two?
It's clear that Shank's a lot more powerful than previously imagined. Combine that with his obvious interest in the Ds, and I really have to wonder what he's up to....:unsure:
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Has anyone else noticed that whenever Zoro and Sanji fight, Zoro always has his swords the right way round, yet when he thought Luffy he had them flipped?
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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Obviously they want to kill each other
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marvellous chapter…
Oda... always number 1!!!
Favourite…
Navy: Smoker, Garp, AoKiji, Sentomaru, Coby Government: Magellano, Jabura, Rob Lucci, Hannibal, judge BaskervilleGood Guys: WhiteBeard, Hagwar D. Saur, Portuguese D. Ace, Silver Rayleigh, Jimbei
Evil Guys: BlackBeard, Ener, Shiryu, Bliking Wapol, Van der Decken
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Best guess?
Shanks did some baaaaaad shit on the 2nd half of the Grand Line. So he had to lay low. Where better than East Blue, where he wouldn't be known from the next pirate captain?
My guess is that Shanks figured out how to get to Raftel, and he needs ALL the D's to do so, for whatever reason. That's why he wrote a letter to Whitebeard wanting to know why Whitebeard was letting Ace persue Blackbeard without knowing the real truth (That Whitebeard doesn't want Blackbeard dead, but rather, back at the 2nd half of the Grand Line). Shanks knows that Luffy will inevitably come to the 2nd half of the Grand Line, evidenced by his, "So you're here… Luffy."
The thing is, we don't know if we need ALL the D's, certain D's, or just one of the D's to reveal Raftel's secret. That's up to Oda to decide.
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I still don't think the bounty poster will be out that fast….. maybe after the new ship is being built....and when they just set off from Water 7....Iceburg new secretary will bring in "terrible" news.... and a stack of bounties.....
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I'm going to have to say I agree with Eiba - the emperor below Shanks is probably a monstrous woman.
Heh, maybe it's Buggy's overbearing, freakish mother.
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or maybe is just the Elbaf Queen….... it's been 100 years since Broggy and Droggy (can't remember the exact speling of their names)........been fighting and out of contact of what's going on in Elbaf...... there may be a Elbaf Queen.......
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Man, I haven't read OP in almost a year, but I totally came back when I heard about this Koby thing. I am so filled with motherly pride right now.
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I'm not criticizing it, I think it's a rather minor information compared to the rest of the stuff uncovered in the chapter especially the 4 Emperors stuff, but everyone acting as if they didn't see the big Star Wars cliché coming from 50 miles away…
The thing is that it doesn't fit the cliche. Just because he was seen before makes it corny?
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hmm now that we know of the existence of two other really powerful pirates you think that maybe shanks and buggy were once members one of those pirate crews? whoever that captain was he must of been really great for shanks to want to join him. great captains will always attract the best pirates around just look at luffy, shanks and whitebeard. also the guy at the bottom kinda looks like whitebeard, can he perhaps be his brother?
