I can't believe it took me to long to remember this guy but
Helmheppo's Dad?
Chapter 432 "Jack in the Box" Discussion
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I guess Oda likes Fillers and he got idea of the Rumble ball from a filler so that means that Oda like to watch Fillers episodes
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@joekido:
And what is this big Star War Cliche?
Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father. I.E. the bad guy with no other known connection to the hero suddenly turning out to be that hero's parent. Not uncommon in fantasy stories and soap operas.
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I can't believe it took me to long to remember this guy but
Helmheppo's Dad?
http://www.nautiljon.com/images/perso/miniatures/One_Piece/erik_the_whirlwind.jpgMaybe that would explain why pre-Garp Helmeppo sucked so much, considering the potential Badass Quotient Axe-Hand Morgan (his stated father) showed.
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Actually Darth Vader and Luke had a connection before Luke even knew he was his father. Obi-Wan told Luke Darth Vader killed his father. There was a revenge connection in Luke's mind and even more so when Darth Vader killed Obi Wan.
Star Wars came out of nowhere and was a twist in plot. This wasnt really a twist but a revelation. Dragon saved Luffy's life. We figured it had to be for a reason, it was his son.
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uhm , absolutely an amazing chapter…
Coby & Hermeppo...
the 4 Emperors...
Dragon...
but i have a serious question:
Monkey D. Garp
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D. Luffy…why Portuguese D. Ace?!?!?!?!?
Ace insn't Luffy's bro?!?
Favourite…
Navy: Smoker, Garp, AoKiji, Sentomaru, Coby Government: Magellano, Jabura, Rob Lucci, Hannibal, judge BaskervilleGood Guys: WhiteBeard, Hagwar D. Saur, Portuguese D. Ace, Silver Rayleigh, Jimbei
Evil Guys: BlackBeard, Ener, Shiryu, Bliking Wapol, Van der Decken
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but i have a serious question:
Monkey D. Garp
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D. Luffy…why Portuguese D. Ace?!?!?!?!?
Ace insn't Luffy's bro?!?
That, my friend, is the million dollar question.
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well it was an awsome chapter and as the guy abouve me said, i also wonders that anyhow i thought it was cool that it was like this, i mean this explaind why Dragon saved Luffy
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Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father. I.E. the bad guy with no other known connection to the hero suddenly turning out to be that hero's parent.
Exactly.
How is this like that in any way shape or form.
Luffy didn't know about his dad. (or that he had one it seems -_-;)
Luffy has no vendetta against his dad.
This news changes nothing for Luffy.
Dragon is not an enemy of Luffy.
Dragon and Luffy face the same enemy.
Dragon showed up in the present story once briefly and saved Luffy.
Any connections to Star Wars are laaaaaaaaaaaame.
Just because OP didn't knock you the frick out of your seat or because you were wrong isn't a point to label the revelation a copy of something else. It just makes one look bitter. And…it's a comic book we're talking about.
While criticism rocks, complaining and groundless comparisons are just kind of silly.
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Exactly.
How is this like that in any way shape or form.
Luffy didn't know about his dad. (or that he had one it seems -_-;)
Luffy has no vendetta against his dad.
This news changes nothing for Luffy.
Dragon is not an enemy of Luffy.
Dragon and Luffy face the same enemy.
Dragon showed up in the present story once briefly and saved Luffy.
Any connections to Star Wars are laaaaaaaaaaaame.
Just because OP didn't knock you the frick out of your seat or because you were wrong isn't a point to label the revelation a copy of something else. It just makes one look bitter. And…it's a comic book we're talking about.
While criticism rocks, complaining and groundless comparisons are just kind of silly.
I think I said pretty much the same thing a few pages back (in not so many words), and for some reason the topic has come up again.
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I'm slapping myself in the forehead (figuratively) here, after watching the animated version of the "Monster Time" short.
In it, Luffy… is... a dragon, the English version, same as his father's name. I had said to myself when I first read that short story, "Dragon? What a weird choice of monster for Luffy."
It makes a lot more sense now.
"You people and your slight differences disgust me!" - Futurama
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First, if this was discussed before, i missed it: sorry.
I have a question:
The 4 emperors are supposed to be so strong that the WG needs the Shichibukai (sp???) just to be one the same power plane, or so i have understood but, if that's the case, why was Mihawk meeting with Shanks in that snow island? Weren't they supposed to be on opposite sides?
With Shanks and Whitebeard both being emperors we now know why their coming into contact is so dangerous to the WG.
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Mihawk is a different case….. I guess he doesn't care about this whole Shichibukai, 4 emperor business...... probably he still is friends with Shanks......
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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@HTC:
Still, i'm guessing that both the WG and the other Shichibukai (sp??) don't know that Mihawk went to see Shanks.
i think so too….. maybe Mihawk knows how to find Shanks undetected....
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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H T C - Hoje Tive Cá
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Well for the most part, it just seems the Shichibukai in general don't care.
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Well for the most part, it just seems the Shichibukai in general don't care.
That could be though, personally, i doubt it. Still, i'm pretty sure the WG does care about it!
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Well Crocodile's crime was clearly against the World Government's intentions, he was basically trying to ressurrect an ancient weapon to have power for himself. Doflamingo is trying to start a "New Age" pirate revolution and there was the little comment about his pirating doing well… and well Mihawk clearly does what he feels like. That's basicilly every Shichibukai we've seen save for Bartholomew Bear who we know pratically nothing about.
Though on another note, in regards to the whole Marine HQ/Shichibukai/4 Emperors deal, Sengoku commented about getting 2 out of all the Shichibukai to attend a meeting was better than expected. I just checked 234 and Mihawk stated"Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"... two conflicting groups of equal power" holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing (according to stephen's translation), though MS's chapter states something about a round table deal. But the comments made in the meeting made it quite clear they're not friendly.
So while the Shichibukai are technically under the WG, they seem to pretty much do their own thing, and they aren't allied with the Marine HQ, even if it's another WG orginization. So you could say the Balance of Powers is really just that, not 2 against 1.
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In it, Luffy… is... a dragon, the English version, same as his father's name.
Haha! Good spot, Mearl Dox – once again it proves that Oda's omake are just as clue-filled as his Chapter stories.
But let's hope the "No respect" time scenario never plays out...
! … or at least the part about them all killing each other! I don't mind if they want to argue about hairstyles and boredom all day.
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Haha! Good spot, Mearl Dox – once again it proves that Oda's omake are just as clue-filled as his Chapter stories.
Thanks! (Yay, someone read a post not about who can beat up whom. XD; )
Maybe Usopp's next disguise will be mad scientist? XD
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How powerful might the 4 empererors of the sea be?
Didn't you read the Manga?
The Four Emperors are as powerful as the other two powers in the Grandline!
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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Wow….Reading Ao Kiji's comment from when he first showed up is now funny and awesome.
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less than two days till spoiler cant wait
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Didn't you read the Manga?
The Four Emperors are as powerful as the other two powers in the Grandline!
I'm actually not so sure about that now. They are most likely the strongest, but it seems that the other two forces have the power to stop them, who knows how easily. Or at least, it's assumed that way.
I'm just saying, in the future, don't be surprised how well an admiral or shichibukai (particuarly Mihawk) can match an emperor.
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I'm actually not so sure about that now. They are most likely the strongest, but it seems that the other two forces have the power to stop them, who knows how easily. Or at least, it's assumed that way.
In general, a balance of power is such because while one side can take the other(s), neither can do so without significant cost which makes the effort self-destructive. No side is likely to ever move against the others unless something significantly weaknes one of them and leaves them open.
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My Dracula reference earlier was to the title page for Chapter 14. Luffy's standing on a rooftop, wearing an officer's jacket (the famous "pirate captain's jacket") and doing the Bela Lugosi pose while bats fly around him. Dracula means "son of the dragon", hence the pun. If this were indeed intentional foreshadowing, as opposed to simple title-page tomfoolery, then it would show that Oda had indeed planned to reveal Dragon as Luffy's father from the very beginning.
On an unrelated note, I had a theory I wanted to bring up. Of all the countries Dragon's revolution has toppled, could one of them been the home of Nami and Nojiko? Is it possible that Dragon killed their parents?
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The Vader stuff is being taken too literally. It's more like a pale version of "an important, dangerous and world-renown figure turns out to be the hero's father." And a lot of people did speculate on this since a relation was implied since Dragon was first introduced.
It's all become one big soap opera. Would have much prefered if Luffy's parents turned out to be nobodies.
allrighty then that i have no objection to i was just specificly replying to the no strong womenfolk post.
and while i dont agree with whatcha think about Robins strength lets not get into a mega thread consuming argument about it.
Fair enough. It was kind of a tongue-in-cheek comment, but I probably should have italicized the "incredibly strong" part.
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On an unrelated note, I had a theory I wanted to bring up. Of all the countries Dragon's revolution has toppled, could one of them been the home of Nami and Nojiko? Is it possible that Dragon killed their parents?
Sounds plausible to me. I was thinking something similar the other day too – and wondering also if Belle-Mere was once part of the crew of any of the high ranking Marines we've just seen (The ones who have been high ranking Marines for a good 15-20 years, that is).
And one last thought : do you think Villa was one of Dragon's rebellions too? Obviously, he was in Loguetown around the time the coup d' etat occurred there, but he could have set it in motion before leaving ...
[Edit: whoops, this post is only marginally related to the chapter – I'll get back on track with the next one, I promise!]
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I'm actually not so sure about that now. They are most likely the strongest, but it seems that the other two forces have the power to stop them, who knows how easily. Or at least, it's assumed that way.
I'm just saying, in the future, don't be surprised how well an admiral or shichibukai (particuarly Mihawk) can match an emperor.
Oh, I understand your point. It is just most likely that the three powers are equal in strength. That means Shichibukai, Admirals and Four Emperors are ALL equal in power.
I would not be surprised if Mihawk is stronger than all of the emperors except for whitebeard. Hell, Mihawk is STRONGER than Shanks (an Emperor) it is obvious in my mind that Mihawk is second to Whitebeard in power.
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@_Meh_:
My Dracula reference earlier was to the title page for Chapter 14. Luffy's standing on a rooftop, wearing an officer's jacket (the famous "pirate captain's jacket") and doing the Bela Lugosi pose while bats fly around him. Dracula means "son of the dragon", hence the pun. If this were indeed intentional foreshadowing, as opposed to simple title-page tomfoolery, then it would show that Oda had indeed planned to reveal Dragon as Luffy's father from the very beginning.
Ahhhh, thanks for explaining that. If intentional. that would be so cool. If not, that would also be awesome.
I hope someone asks him about that. -
It's all become one big soap opera.
Yes. It's a soap opera because our hero has a father?? What difference would it have made if they were nobodies.
This is precisely WHY the Vader connections are not being taken literally. There is nothing in common.
It's because Luffy doesn't give a flying fuck about anything.
Since when has Luffy let anything get in his way? Besides his crew and Shanks, when has he cared deeply about anything? He knows full-well that he's going to butt heads with Shanks AND his brother. He could care less.
This hasn't changed a thing. It's just carrying on the Will of D.
When we all find out what that is we'll be splooging all over each other with joy about the connections it creates and loose ends it ties up including Luffy's role in it.
Look, we've known for a LONG time now Luffy's family was gonna be important.
Seriously, do you think ANYONE in the 'D' line is going to be a nobody? Does it really hit you that way?
If Luffy was a sentimental slob and bleary-eyed it would be one thing but nothing has changed.
I can't request that anyone quit bitching about it because it really is just your opinion, but it would really help if everyone considered that this is a small part of a MUCH bigger picture and stopped rolling their eyes about it.
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Since I saw Dragon in the manga and the anime i already know that he had something to do with Ruffy and Roger and on my flashback it was clear that Ruffy was twice saved by his family to be catched by Smoker. We always see on the grandfather because, Roger could be his grandfather still, but now his father is also known and famous too and for many readers its bad? I don't think so.
Besides the picture on chapre 14 is very funny and I agree with the theory, that Oda know Ruffys relatives from the the first chapter he draw.
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Well, on the subject of how the WG knew about Shanks meeting with Whitebeard:
Mihawk is basically a dog of the WG, who also happens to be social with one of the "Yonkou". SO maybe Shanks let it slip that he was writing a letter to Whitebeard, and Mihawk took that info to the WG.
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Well, on the subject of how the WG knew about Shanks meeting with Whitebeard:
Mihawk is basically a dog of the WG, who also happens to be social with one of the "Yonkou". SO maybe Shanks let it slip that he was writing a letter to Whitebeard, and Mihawk took that info to the WG.
I don't think Mihawk is that dishonourable…....
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Yeah, Mihawk seems to be more of the "don't ask, don't tell" guy. He pretty much minds his own business unless someone wakes him up.
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it's almost that time of the week for some wild speculation, spoilers and nagging…..
I hope Oda pulls out another freaking surprise for us.... I can't get enough of surprises from Oda......
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Next chapter:
We either get a training/intermission arc, where we're gonna wait for the boat to be made,
Or we get another action arc, with Marejoa being a key point of it. Especially if Oda wants to rush right into the 4 emperors.
Also gonna need to see Usopp either to repair his relationship with Luffy or go his own way and goto Elbaf. And then we're in store for a Koby/Helmeppo, with a badass looking, scarred up Usopp (which every Usopp fan would love!). I think if we get Franky, we could use abreak from Usopp anyways. Need to get used to one comic relief, before we get into another one.
So, if Oda wants a swift ending, we get the next half of the Grand Line, now.
But if he wants to keep the series going another 600+ chapters, then I think we'll get some Gyojin Island, Elbaf and other stuff before that. -
I would like next chapter to have some non W7 based action. The aftermaths of the EL disaster for Spandam and Aokiji at Marine HQ for ex, or maybe some new Shichibukais unveiled, even if that's probably asking for too much, or news about Smoker and Buggy… Anything non Garp and W7 related basically.
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I would like next chapter to have some non W7 based action. The aftermaths of the EL disaster for Spandam and Aokiji at Marine HQ for ex, or maybe some new Shichibukais unveiled, even if that's probably asking for too much, or news about Smoker and Buggy… Anything non Garp and W7 related basically.
agreed well if its a bounty chapter then it'd probably be moving around alot
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Well, the revelation of new bounties would please me. Aside from that, maybe Spandam getting a "praise" for the good work would be nice…
Rebel Marines are the coolest ! !
Thx to psolaras for the avatar and sig (I owe you this man).
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While suddenly moving out of W7 seems unlikely (we at least need some reactions), I do want to see some Enies Lobby after math. Really, the arc can't end until we know everyone's fates!
For some reason, I see the CP9 getting executed, but that's unlikey given the story. If the CP9 get arrested, killed, or escape, something big is going to go down. Maybe someone who can fight the CP9 will be there?
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Yes. It's a soap opera because our hero has a father??
That's a grossly innaccurate take of what I wrote.
Look, we've known for a LONG time now Luffy's family was gonna be important.
Yeah yeah "Will of D" and all that right? The idea of making Luffy blood-related to every supremely important character is still lame. Yes I find it detracts from the Cinderella story and I was hoping something a little different would be done with his parentage. OH WELL
I can't request that anyone quit bitching about it because it really is just your opinion, but it would really help if everyone considered that this is a small part of a MUCH bigger picture and stopped rolling their eyes about it.
So anytime someone complains that constitutes bitching now. I guess that makes any praise for some aspect of a chapter a mindless dick-riding, circle-jerk. You need to calm the hell down.
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@Taz:
Yeah yeah "Will of D" and all that right? The idea of making Luffy blood-related to every supremely important character is still lame. Yes I find it detracts from the Cinderella story and I was hoping something a little different would be done with his parentage. OH WELL
You've let your imagination get the best of you, fella, and I can't say I fully blame you; every week, at least one person on this forum will post in the C&D "it's DRAGON", and in light of his short appearence Dragon has been among the most discussed characters in OP, and is thus so well known Oda's ability to "surprise" us with this chapter was reduced.
Dragon is a minor character. We know nothing about him; strong? He could very well be a weakling. Intelligent? He could just be stirring up revolutions for fun. However you put it, we know as much about Dragon as Lucky Roux, so all this complaining about "lame Dragon's Luffy's dad" is totally outrageous/stupid.
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one day till spoiler think the next chapter finishes the madness of the last two
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You've let your imagination get the best of you, fella, and I can't say I fully blame you; every week, at least one person on this forum will post in the C&D "it's DRAGON", and in light of his short appearence Dragon has been among the most discussed characters in OP, and is thus so well known Oda's ability to "surprise" us with this chapter was reduced.
Dragon is a minor character. We know nothing about him; strong? He could very well be a weakling. Intelligent? He could just be stirring up revolutions for fun. However you put it, we know as much about Dragon as Lucky Roux, so all this complaining about "lame Dragon's Luffy's dad" is totally outrageous/stupid.
But I didn't say strong I said "important" (though I'm of the impression that he does have power too). The marines and WG regard him as the most wanted man on their list. Even if he's a minor character in sense of screen-time, he's obviously a huge player in the series. That's been evident since the beginning.
Oh yes hopes for next chapter: If Franky's going to join, let him join already.
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or create more madness than the last two…..
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Hmmm Oda has something up his sleeve, think about this
Monkey D Luffy is leading a rogue band of pirate to become Pirate King.
Protugese D Ace is working under one of the yonku(sp?)
Monkey D Garp is working for the WG
Monkey D Dragon is leading the revolunaires(sp?)
Marshall D Teach want to become one of the Shinbukakai(sp?)I mean this is a pot that is going to boil over to some conflicts between "families".
