Chapter 432 "Jack in the Box" Discussion

Iwin Ulose

i never thought i would ENJOY the day coby comes back…. seeing garp last chapter made me groan and say "coby and helmeppo better not be there..." but now i am glad they are! i gotta stop worrying about how the future chapters will be and just let oda-sama do the work. he never, ever fails us! or at least, he never fails ME. there are plenty of complainers out there, though. XD

that being said.... now more than ever i want to know what Shanks can DO. how is he such a powerful pirate?? i wanna see him in action.

also, of course, i am burning with curiosity at who the other Emperors are.

as for the Luffy and Garp interaction... amazing stuff! hilarious!! you gotta love oda-sama. :wub:

and what exactly is usopp doing?? is he, like, eavesdropping thru a window? did he get treatment and food like everyone else???? i sure as hell hope so. :getlost:

hyakamaru

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Iwin Ulose

@hyakamaru:

OP 432 cleaned/HQ

my first time to clean a raw, I dont know if its okay work.

PS. Its in .rar format. (I forgot to use .zip, sorry)

eh upload it to megaupload or something, the download is taking ridiculously long. i would like a cleaned hq. =)

goty

Can't see nothing wrong about Tashigi's supposedly new look. She seems naturally more serious and mature. Maybe Smoker looks weird, but it's just one panel…hopefully they'll be back soon to clear our doubts.

And that scar on Coby's face brings me some Yamcha memories..let's see if he can win a fight.

Malintex_Terek

@Aldrich:

How's that a con? It's only one of the 6 arts, and it has never been said Rokushiki was only for CP9… It's the fighting style of the WG troops. It's not too far fetched to suppose high level Marines have a mastery of Rokushiki at least equal if not better than CP9's best.

Three reasons:

1. It diminishes the significance of Luffy stealing the Soru technique from the CP9; if someone like Coby could master it, it wasn't that difficult a technique and Blueno was overreacting when he saw Luffy use it.
2. It implies the Rokushiki won't die with this arc.
3. Finally, it is indicative of the spread of Rokushiki knowledge; it is now apparent that CP9 is not the only organization that has undergone the Rokushiki "training", so the uniqueness of their fighting style has been lessened.

Everyone using Soru reminds me a lot of how Bukujutsu was mastered by everyone except Goku in DB, only not quite as extreme (yet).

Iwin Ulose

@Malintex_Terek:

Three reasons:

1. It diminishes the significance of Luffy stealing the Soru technique from the CP9; if someone like Coby could master it, it wasn't that difficult a technique and Blueno was overreacting when he saw Luffy use it.
2. It implies the Rokushiki won't die with this arc.
3. Finally, it is indicative of the spread of Rokushiki knowledge; it is now apparent that CP9 is not the only organization that has undergone the Rokushiki "training", so the uniqueness of their fighting style has been lessened.

Everyone using Soru reminds me a lot of how Bukujutsu was mastered by everyone except Goku in DB, only not quite as extreme (yet).

the thing about your first point is the speed at which Luffy learned Soru. i am sure it took extensive training for Coby to learn Soru. it doesn't seem like it took him a LONG time to learn, but i bet his training was very rigorous. as for luffy… he saw the CP9's do it, and bam, he was able to do it with no training whatsoever. granted, he needed to be in Gear 2nd to do it... but still blueno had a perfectly good reason to be so shocked. luffy learned it without practice, just by observing others use it.

i agree with your second and third points.... Rokushiki should just be a part of this arc and CP9. i don't want to see more of it really. :getlost:

hyakamaru

@Iwin:

eh upload it to megaupload or something, the download is taking ridiculously long. i would like a cleaned hq. =)

alright, uploading it in SS as we speak.

(upload speed is very slow though…)

Iwin Ulose

@hyakamaru:

alright, uploading it in SS as we speak.

(upload speed is very slow though…)

aaaah, thanks man.

WarcoW

@Malintex_Terek:

Yes, this is one of those "godly" chapters that spell the beginning of a whole new can of kickarse. Was Water 7 the peak of OP? For now, but not for long.

QFT!

You just know with revelations like this and with the second half of grandline being painted in such grandeur, that shit is gonna hit the fan. It's gonna be huge and we're gonna love every moment of it.

game2005

@UPRC:

I won't even say that what Coby did was Soru unless it is stated in the manga. Just because he moved in a particular way does not mean it is Soru.
Is anyone saying Kuro used Soru? No. Was it like Soru? Yes.

Does every technique that makes you move quickly have to be called Soru? No.

Hate to break your bubble, but that is Soru. The kanji written there means 'Shave' and that's what Soru means.

Aldrich

@Malintex_Terek:

Three reasons:

1. It diminishes the significance of Luffy stealing the Soru technique from the CP9; if someone like Coby could master it, it wasn't that difficult a technique and Blueno was overreacting when he saw Luffy use it.

As already said, Coby learned Soru after extensive training under Garp's orders at Marine HQ. It actually speaks volume about his current level the only skill he mastered under such favorable circumstances was Soru. Luffy watched Blueno do it, and instinctively reproduced it seconds after. Not really the same thing.

2. It implies the Rokushiki won't die with this arc.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. More in my third point;

3. Finally, it is indicative of the spread of Rokushiki knowledge; it is now apparent that CP9 is not the only organization that has undergone the Rokushiki "training", so the uniqueness of their fighting style has been lessened.

I honestly wouldn't mind if we saw other Rokushiki users, but instead I think we may see high level Marines who, in addition of their df powers will use some of CP9 skills, like one could master Rankyaku, another Shigan or Geppou etc. That way it'd keep CP9's uniqueness as the only ones able to master the 6 forms at once, but would also mean these skills are teached to the Marines too, which would make sense, why not give the most weapons possible to those who have to fight for Justice? Not everyone can have devil fruits.

chaosof99

w00t, this just made my day after I just had to witness the horrible butchering of the Naruto Anime by the germany sync.

I just love Oda's gag-drawings and this chapter is chock full of it. The best part is Helmeppo being als Sad because noone recognizes him.

And funny little Square Sisters background action :)

Iwin Ulose

so what do y'all think Garp's gonna do? did he just come by to visit and shout at luffy for a little while and smack him around a few times? or does he have a purpose…. is Luffy's grandfather just gonna walk away and go back to base in a couple chapters??

John san

Many thanks ! The whole chapter is so much better.

Virgilijus

I say it was to show him Coby and Helmeppo and to show him his new bounty…crosses fingers...

hyakamaru

OP 432 cleaned/HQ

my first time to clean a raw, I dont know if its okay work.

(link edited.)

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Cleaned LQ 6MB file

http://www.zen83221.zen.co.uk/Crap/432LQ.zip

Iwin Ulose

@Virgilijus:

I say it was to show him Coby and Helmeppo and to show him his new bounty…crosses fingers...

OH EM GEE, new bounties!! in all the hype of these new revelations, i had forgotten the two things i have been very much looking forward to…. new bounties and a new ship!

igalsfy

@hyakamaru:

OP 432 cleaned/HQ

my first time to clean a raw, I dont know if its okay work.

(link edited.)

it's very good, dude!

Iwin Ulose

@igalsfy:

it's very good, dude!

yeah man, it is, and thanks for updating the link. :D

paptschik

Oh my god…Hellmeppo is too awesome to be true. O_O
He just entered the list of my favorite characters...

Kakaliaha

So the Four emperors are Shanks, Whitebeard, and two other guys, all equal in power? Anyway it seems that Coby and Helmeppo have moved up very quickly under Garp.

Iwin Ulose

@Kakaliaha:

So the Four emperors are Shanks, Whitebeard, and two other guys, all equal in power? Anyway it seems that Coby and Helmeppo have moved up very quickly under Garp.

yep Garp is a great great trainer. i mean… look at his own grandson! XDD

MAcobo

About the power of the Emperors: Their true treath to the Marines is not their invidual powers, but their absolutely overpowered crews. All the crews should have at least 100 people with over 50 mil bounty.
They probably earn new members by crushing small fishes in the second half (davy back fight, anyone?)

sabret00the

@MAcobo:

About the power of the Emperors: Their true treath to the Marines is not their invidual powers, but their absolutely overpowered crews. All the crews should have at least 100 people with over 50 mil bounty.
They probably earn new members by crushing small fishes in the second half (davy back fight, anyone?)

I think you have to take significance from the phrasing, it's not about the army of crews, in fact no ones crew has even been mentioned it's about the pirates. remember, all because one man holds the title, it doesn't mean another man is not better or equal.

MAcobo

I meaned rather that if they would be one on one fighting the WG, they would be rather overpowered. But their very strong crews makes the difference (remember, Mihawk and Shanks used to be equal before the hand loss). But, because Mihawk doesn't care about the position/doesn't have a crew, he doesn't have a chance to become a Emperor.
Of course, all this could turn out to be BS. >_>

EDIT: Wierd. I thought I wrote that he is a Shibukai

dragonfrost

is it still the same translation????

Iwin Ulose

@MAcobo:

I meaned rather that if they would be one on one fighting the WG, they would be rather overpowered. But their very strong crews makes the difference (remember, Mihawk and Shanks used to be equal before the hand loss). But, because Mihawk doesn't care about the position/doesn't have a crew, he doesn't have a chance to become a Emperor.

um… not to mention he is already a SHICHIBUKAI. :getlost:

Moonra

OMG, those towns people that are scorting Zoro are Michel and hiokael from old twon, the ones that the Galley-la think shoot Iceberg
just awsome

StrawHatLuffy

Oh my… ONE SHOCKING news after another. Luffy's dad is Dragon!?

ITSALION

Hell YES! Reading it now! Thanks a million!

thanks so much yo

Walker

Awsome chapter, maybe since Luffy didnt really know his parents when he was little they left him with Ace/Aces parents and he like a Brother like figure to Luffy. Not an exact brother though.

Would clear up the different first names. However there are still similaritys between them that you would think you would be born with.

Iwin Ulose

@Walker:

Awsome chapter, maybe since Luffy didnt really know his parents when he was little they left him with Ace/Aces parents and he like a Brother like figure to Luffy. Not an exact brother though.

Would clear up the different first names. However there are still similaritys between them that you would think you would be born with.

i personally go by the "same mother, different father" theory. in other words, i say Luffy and Ace are half brothers.

Dahna

Has anyone any idea why the chapter is called "Jack in the box"? I already asked that but no one answered, so… Does someone know that?

Takezo

@Dahna:

Has anyone any idea why the chapter is called "Jack in the box"? I already asked that but no one answered, so… Does someone know that?

I guess it's because of the absurd quantity of surprises and revelations that it contains.

AWESOME chapter. I love the big "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh?????" at the end.

Iwin Ulose

@Dahna:

Has anyone any idea why the chapter is called "Jack in the box"? I already asked that but no one answered, so… Does someone know that?

i think it means it's a big surprise, which is supposedly what a jack in the box does… give you a big surprise. :ninja:

immelmann

i'm not sure the brother from anotha motha theory is that sound. Garp seemed to state they were brothers and he trained them together right? i think being pure blood brothers will sustain a larger rivalry. I love how hellmempo still acts snotty xD

good to see you on the board Iwin Ulose, i'm fire, walk with me. xD

Dahna

lol, thx guys XD

so "Jack in the box" is this clown figure that comes out when you use the box, right?
I didn't know the name XD

now that's a fitting name for the chapter :)

Aldrich

Yeah, the title is misleading, it would probably have been better for last week's chapter as there's no earth shattering surprise in this one, nothing that hasn't been hinted at and predicted by someone sometime back.

Zede05

I go with these 3 possibilities on Ace's heritage:

1. He changed his last name.
2. He's not related by blood to Luffy and is the offspring of another D.
3. He's the son of Garp's daughter, thus has a different last name but kept the D. Luffy's cousin basically.

Shark

Great chapter. I love the updated designs for Coby and Helmeppo, and Dragon looks absolutely badass. I also thought it was neat how Coby already has a scar on his forehead. He must of fought some tough battles already, that or it was from one of Garp's insane training methods.

i cant seem to find a translation of this chapter on this forum. am i right that there isnt one, or am i just an idiot?

Gin

CalicoJack, go check this page for the translation of this chapter.

http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=9524

dinty

Can't see nothing wrong about Tashigi's supposedly new look. She seems naturally more serious and mature. Maybe Smoker looks weird, but it's just one panel…hopefully they'll be back soon to clear our doubts.

I'm in agreement with this. Tashigi looks more pensive now, more thoughtful – the last time we saw her, she was "broken" (physically and emotionally), so it's good to see that she's got an expression of more depth and complexity now. It reflects everything she's been through -- just like Robin's expression reflects her past as well.

I think so many people are saying "Robin" -- even though the facial features of both characters are very different -- because this is the sort of thoughtful expression that Robin has been giving us for some 200 chapters, so we're just more used to seeing it on Robin's face than on Tashigi's.

I'm looking forward to seeing Tashigi again, to finding out what she's been doing all this time (how she's been "getting stronger", as she promised Smoker she would) and to see her interact with Zoro again. Will it be another "Calvin and Susie" insult-fest between them, or will they manage to overcome that and be civil?

immelmann

here's a high quality RAW from Eagle on MangaHelpers.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/kq8evk

and how often do we see Sanjis eyes pop out of his head? he totally did it when garp and luffy fell asleep, can't say i ever remember him doing it before.

onemoment

Yes, another groundbreaking chapter. Good stuff.

Now, the four emperors, I'm bothered by that "fouth" one on the bottom on the third "unseen" emperor. He looks like "The Penguin." Also, I wonder how they all measure up to each other? From experience I'd imagine that Shanks and Whitebeard are the tops, but who knows….

As for their crews, I think they may have something to do with their status. Of course each of them is strong, probably the strongest in One Piece, but could one "live like an emperor" alone? With his crew, Shanks would probably be just like Mihawk--but with more beer and less arms to drink it with. Also, I'm suspicious to how Mihawk measure's up to these emperors--his relation with Shanks gives me the impression that he's in their league, despite all signs pointing to the shichibukai (as a whole) being weaker.

Of course, we'll know when we "get there." And how does Dragon fit into this heriarchy of the strongest of the Grandline?

Great chapter. I look forward to the future.

CosmicDebris

Thanks BF!

Need translation omgwtfbbq~

Wow, look at the pretty new drawing of Tashigi.

thanks for the help, and now that i read it its really great! oda rocks!

Zongcai

Hahaha, I hope this whole "being Luffy's dad" thing means that Dragon will turn out to be a complete goof when we actually see him for more than 2 pages at a time.