IMHO, any speculation on characters possibly dying is quashed by The Pell Rule. 
But yeah, nice how Oda managed to allow both Franky AND Robin to get their revenge on Spandam. They both deserved it. xD
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Chapter 429 "Complete Defeat" Discussion
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**You all got it wrong. This chapter is not made of awesome, awesome is made of this chapter.
::::This was the perfect ending. I actually heard some music play in my head while reading the last page. Can't wait 'till this comes out in the anime, it's gonna be fuckin' awesome.
And after seeing Scarface this chapter I've been thinking two things. One, this man is badassery personified. And second, I think Scarface might actually make another appearance sometime in the story.
Chapter revieves a. A++++++**
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anyone posted a spread join yet? if not here's mine.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o5kfm6
i always think something wrong with me when i join these because they never line up, but it's usually due to a small strip being missing^^
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Nice chapters. Thanks, BF.
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@IT'S:
No, he means that they have been completely defeated at Enies Lobby.
Yeah, but isn't Buster Call their strongest attack? What will they do to ensure their victory in the future?
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Yeah, but isn't Buster Call their strongest attack? What will they do to ensure their victory in the future?
The guy in my av says hi.
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Scarface says hi too.
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Spandam was scary until the very end. I hate him. So hatehate. His name is just begging problems. Like hellou, Spandam= Spank me.
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Yeah, but isn't Buster Call their strongest attack? What will they do to ensure their victory in the future?
Next time the Mugiwaras face a BC, there probably won't be a Gate of Justice for Sanji to close.
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@IT'S:
Next time the Mugiwaras face a BC, there probably won't be a Gate of Justice for Sanji to close.
They technically ran away, but it was still a defeat.Aokiji would argue otherwise….......... actually, Oda will argue otherwise!
Unless you are in denial about it.........
although what you meant makes senses, but it's a matter of perspective from the perspective of the marines......
a pirate crew of about 60...... managed to survive the Buster Call....and even Aokiji said it himself...and they LOST a whole island...and lost a few Buster Call ship...etc....Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Yeah, but isn't Buster Call their strongest attack? What will they do to ensure their victory in the future?
I've been saying that for 4 weeks .___. But well, SH just did it. And I think that marines aren't their biggest problem, it's other pirates.
btw: kljs, your signature rules
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Aokiji would argue otherwise….......... actually, Oda will argue otherwise!
Unless you are in denial about it.........
They ran away. On a living dead ship. And Aokiji was too much of a lazy bum to do anything about it. So let's not get carried away, the "complete defeat" stuff is cute and all, but it doesn't really reflect the truth.
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Words cannot descrive how much I liked this chapter. It was a great (if not quite complete) resolution to the arc; and now I'm looking forward to what the next few chapters hold. Huge bounties all around me thinks.
Yay Aokiji!
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I'm in agreement with Aldrich, words mean nothing especially when we know that AOkiji and the VA could very EASILY stop the Strawhats (with them being tired and having a 90% destroyed ship). Technically the SH didn't win, AOKiji let them escape. Still happy to see AOkiji back tho.
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what truth?
the truth that the Spandam's own fault was what cause thise whole Enies Lobby thingy?
the truth that the Vice Admirals didn't get their hands dirty?
the truth that the Buster Call marines underestimated the Mugiwaras?or was it the truth about
the mugiwara's MAIN objective was to RESCUE ROBIN…..
did they plan to DESTROY Enies Lobby?
nope.
did they plan to DESTROY the Buster Call ships?
nope.
did they plan to wage war on the World Government?
NO!Luffy already said it...... they are THERE TO GET BACK ROBIN........
what are you expecting? a complete victory by sinking Enies Lobby, and destorying all Buster Call ship and close the Gate of Justice?
Is that a complete victory in Oda's sense or in your sense?nothing else matters....... Aokiji is A SUPREME ADMIRAL and the STRONGEST MARINE....... he DID NOT GET THE TITLE FOR NOTHING!...... Lazy bum? are you sure he was lazy in this situation?
It's a freaking Buster Call......... it's SERIOUS STUFF.... even a lowly Marine will know how serious this whole freaking incident is, if said marine was observing it........Let's say the Mugiwara really actually lost...... is it the case?
what WERE their OBJECTIVE in the FIRST PLACE?
Save Robin.
did they SAVE ROBIN?or is that girl on the going merry that has the devil fruit of Hana hana no mi isn't actually Robin, but someone that looks like Robin......
so, yeah...... the Mugiwara lost......they failed to save Robin........
and Aokiji was right all along..... Robin betrayed the Mugiwaras.........
the end...
is that what you are hoping?
Like I said...... Luffy and the mugiwaras are there to GET BACK ROBIN......and they did.......
Why Aokiji did not stop them, is beyond what I think...... Oda wants it like that, just freaking enjoy it............ -
I'm in agreement with Aldrich, words mean nothing especially when we know that AOkiji and the VA could very EASILY stop the Strawhats (with them being tired and having a 90% destroyed ship). Technically the SH didn't win, AOKiji let them escape. Still happy to see AOkiji back tho.
That's right. VA's and Ao Kiji let SH go. 'Cause are gentleman. Strong gentleman. Our dear cp9 leader "Spank me" Spandam was a loser. And that's why a cheating bastard.
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It doesn't change the fact they escaped because Aokiji wanted them to. I'm just laughing at these guys saying "oh well, the Marine is no big deal, the real problem is the pirates". Yeah that's why that's at least the third time the Strawhats are left free by a Marine officer they're powerless against. It was a big blow to the WG no doubt, with their island and super elite assassination squad obliterated. The Marine lost three ships and a few thousand of common grunts, all by their own fault. I doubt they'll lose sleep over it.
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@Cap'n:
The Usopp complaints have been infecting this forum like AIDS
You have got to be kidding me. This forum has seen a lot worse.
Odd thing is, when one person whines about something, others will whine about that person whinning. They seem to think that whinning about whinning is different than whinning about anything else. Hypocrisy.BTW, does anyone know whatever happened to Baskerville? Where'd he run off to?
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hm
Tashigi letting them go.
Aokiji letting them go.
Am I missing anything?
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The higher ranking people there could have stopped the SH, no doubt about that. But the SH did accomplish their goal, so they won. While Eneis Lobby did not sucecced.
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The defeat wasn't physical. It was the whole fascade of the power of government that was defeated. I mean, look at the number of fuck ups that occured at Enies Lobby on their part. CP9 was defeated, their 5 year mission in Water 7 entire purpose was negated in a manner of seconds, the marines did little to nothing to stop the pirates on the island, Rob Lucci was defeated by a kid for christ's sake, and the Buster Call didn't help things either, it instead made the whole situation more chaotic and the government's hubris allowed for the Paulie Pack and the Straw Hat Pirates to escape in the end. It exposed Spandam for the buffoon he is in that he was to consumed by his idiotic ambition to attempt rational thought. It was a fuck up to the highest degree on the government's part because Enies Lobby's symbol of absolute justice was destroyed by pirates and the Buster Call didn't scare off/destroy the Strawhats, it instead destroyed Enies Lobby failing to see the irony of it all (Absolute Justice can drive a man insane - Aokiji, see Spandam and Lucci for examples). They demystified the government's trump card and did it all for a friend. Thus "Complete Defeat"
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Exactly. The point is that they failed to stop the pirates.
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@yokaiforte:
hm
Tashigi letting them go.
Aokiji letting them go.
Am I missing anything?
Smoker at Rainbase
Tashigi at Alubarna
Aokiji at Longring Longland
Aokiji at Enies Lobby
4 times, though I wasn't actually counting Tashigi because even if they were out when the incident occured in a real fight situation they wouldn't exactly be powerless against her.
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It doesn't change the fact they escaped because Aokiji wanted them to. I'm just laughing at these guys saying "oh well, the Marine is no big deal, the real problem is the pirates". Yeah that's why that's at least the third time the Strawhats are left free by a Marine officer they're powerless against. It was a big blow to the WG no doubt, with their island and super elite assassination squad obliterated. The Marine lost three ships and a few thousand of common grunts, all by their own fault. I doubt they'll lose sleep over it.
At this point I consider Ako-iji to be as much against the WG as he is for them. He clearly has his own agenda that at least runs partially against the WG's objectives.
The WG lost here, big time. And as for the marines losing sleep over this, yah, I'll bet they lose a good bit. This was utter humiliation on thier home turf where they took massive losses and accomplishing absolutely nothing. By contrast, the Straw Hats accomplished everything they set out to do and then some.
Ako-iji the man himself even stepped in and said this incident was thier utter defeat. They aren't all going to go home and drink tea and laugh this off.
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Aokiji is a cool, collected thinker. Akainu is the absolute justice freak, so what is Kizeru? A crack addict with a yaoi fetish?
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I'd say Kizeru is a sadistic milf.
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Just to add for those who are probably trying to justify what Aokiji said….about a complete lost...
the mugiwaras objective was never meant to cause the Buster Call that wiped out Enies Lobby.
the mugiwaras objective was never meant to fight the Buster Call, hadn't Spandam accidentally activated it..
the mugiwaras objective wasnever meant to wipe out the Buster Call ships...the mugiwaras was in Enies Lobby because they want to GET ROBIN BACK.
that's the ONLY REASON.
Enies Lobby, CP9, the marines(grunt), the buster call are just the OBSTACLES for them in their way to save Robin.
After they MET their objective, they ran away.....Winners? Losers? Does it matter anyways?
What they came here to do, they done it...... others are just either icing on the cake or just obstacles.....
So, you can say the Mugiwaras lost. Lost WHAT?
I can say the Mugiwaras won. Won, because they GOT back Robin.Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Well if we are talking about the "Complete Defeat of Enies Lobby" then I agree, If you are talking about the "Complete Defeat of the WG & marines" then I don't agree. The BC was able to destroy the SH (They had Aokiji for god sakes) they just chose not to.
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Declaring complete defeat when you still have a very good chance to end up winning is horseshit. Period.
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@IT'S:
Aokiji is a cool, collected thinker. Akainu is the absolute justice freak, so what is Kizeru? A crack addict with a yaoi fetish?
He should be she.
No, Kizeru is masochistic bishounen.
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I wonder what Ao Kiji could do about the SHs right now, since they're on a ship faaar from him sailing super fast, while he's only on a…bicycle!
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We're talking about a guy who can freeze the sea on huge distances. I don't think he'd have had any troubles stopping Merry on its tracks. And then the VAs and other soldiers could have taken care of the Strawhats, but no, there's 3 ships down and EL burning so the Marine lost and it's not worth the effort. BOOOOWSSHEEEET
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I hope Kizaru is a really nice guy who likes drinking green tea and watching sunsets. A person who's very "Zén" - but not lazy like Ao Kiji. Actually, a samurai. That's it.
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Now I begin to see where Dragon gets his information from. Aokiji is a double agent!
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We're talking about a guy who can freeze the sea on huge distances. I don't think he'd have had any troubles stopping Merry on its tracks.
Wouldn't he end up freezing his own allies too if he tried that?
And then the VAs and other soldiers could have taken care of the Strawhats, but no, there's 3 ships down and EL burning so the Marine lost and it's not worth the effort. BOOOOWSSHEEEET
As far as I remember, it took Nami's navigation skills to navigate through those whirpools.
What tells you the BC ships have a navigator as capable as her with them?
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Wouldn't he end up freezing his own allies too if he tried that?
I like to think he has some control over his powers.
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You like to think a lot of things. We all do.
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Declaring complete defeat when you still have a very good chance to end up winning is horseshit. Period.
Ditto, that'd be like Luffy giving up the fight when Whitebeard is 5 second close to death. Makes no since as Aokiji could've stopped the SH anytime.
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I'm sure we'll find out in time what Aokiji's motivations are.
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Ao Kiji is there just to chill out and take a look at the situation. Isn't that clear now?
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@IT'S:
I'm sure we'll find out in time what Aokiji's motivations are.
Yes or maybe he's just too lazy
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Declaring complete defeat when you still have a very good chance to end up winning is horseshit. Period.
Besides horseshit, I can only see this now as a betrayal from Ao Kiji. I really would like to see him reporting this incident to the HQ, and their reactions.
I think that Spanda was doing the right thing, under the eyes of WG!
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Aokiji's mind seems to bend with the wind. First he said he wouldn't attack the Straw Hats in Longring, then he decides to attack them. He gives Spandam Buster Call authority, then sits back and watches Enies Lobby get destroyed. Who exactly is he testing? COULD HE BE WORKING FOR…......HATTORI???
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Thank God that the black out was over. Now I can enjoy my One Piece!
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@IT'S:
Aokiji's mind seems to bend with the wind. First he said he wouldn't attack the Straw Hats in Longring, then he decides to attack them. He gives Spandam Buster Call authority, then sits back and watches Enies Lobby get destroyed. Who exactly is he testing? COULD HE BE WORKING FOR…......HATTORI???
I knew it, Hattori is a sneaky bastard (when a bird wears clothes, ya know he's up to something). Luffy should've ate Hattori when he had the chance.
