Yep, just got the new SJ for this month, and damn if they don't always put Yu-Gi-Oh! on the damned cover. I really am getting sick of Yugi covers and to tell you the truth, I believe that even after Yu-Gi-Oh! ends they will find some way to put it back on the cover. That's what inspired me to make this thread. Post your complaints about america's Shonen Jump here.
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Huge English sound effects, Westernizations, edited art, cheap dialogue, etc.
If something is edited in America (for the kids) then it is not worth buying.
I just import Tanks of series that I like. They are not edited, and VIZ get no money. YAY!!!
Currently own Vol. 1-36 of One Piece. Getting Naruto and Ichigo 100% soon.
VIZ'll take another 20 years to get to Water 7, so why wait that long for a crappy edited VIZlation. Although I don't expect VIZ or 4K!ds to be around in a couple of years…....... If the Naruto dub comes out bad, we can say bye-bye to VIZ. :) -
errrrm…viz is dubbing naruto? and btw i am fine with shonen jump i don't mind about them i think they are good i like them they bring good manga (EXCEPT HOW THE CHANGE ZORO TO ZOLO) but i don't think it was thier fault but they keep in the blood they just translate it i not sure if they changed anything they are a really good manga but since kazuki is in america i guess they going to continue using the yu gi oh cover...
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I'll give Takahashi credit, he is a good manga-ka but why kiss his ass and put Yugi on the cover just because he's in America. In japan he had the cover a bunch but was spaced out with OP, HnG, SK, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter and the others. I'm not tosure he would comlain if Yugi wasn't on just one of every 12 issues that come out a year. Even if the put a pic of Shaman King or Naruto on the front they always manage to sneak a pic of Yugi onto the damn thing. That's just stupid. They do that so that little kids will see the "Kid friendly magazine that is SJ" and want it even more since Yu-Gi-Oh! is on the front. I realize it's a buisness and about making money but before the February 2004 SJ came out (that had Kaze-maru from Yu Yu Hakusho with a Manji on his forehead and it was mistaken for a Swastika.) they would go out of their way to give the fans what they wanted. Why stop cause some bitchy mom dosen't "want her kid to become a nazi". If these moms had any knowledge about japanese culture they would realize that manga is gonna be a lot more different than Superman or Lord of the Rings or Goblin Gangbang or whatever the hell they think is wholesome family entertainment in America.
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that's why I hate the way the anime industry is going these days…. it all for the kids, and it's pissing me off, and VIZ is no exception, that's why I don't support VIZ anymore, or don't really buy manga at all anymore, and yes I agree with you totally they're completely whoring Yu-gi-Oh in american, I love the jump covers in Japan for OP, but how many covers has it gotten here? well whatever.... I use to collect Jump, but not anymore
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There has only been ONE OP cover ever in the history of Viz's Jump, and that's complete bullshit. Not only is Viz ruining it, but 4kids is making the anime out to be something you get laughed at by your fellow "anime fan" peers for watching. I think Viz and 4kids have some kind of conspiracy going on.
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True, if a real One Piece fan goes in public and says he likes One Piece he gets laughed at and told he likes "kiddy shows". I can't wait for the anime fad to end in America, and then we will see the real fans. Yu-Gi-Oh! is already dead where I live. :)
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It's the posers who say they're true fans but the most they've ever seen is Vampire Hunter D or Akira and think the only good anime are the hardcore violent ones (Not saying hardcore violent anime are bad.) but then here comes one with an actual original storyline and people think it's stupid. I've heard such comments like for example….
(These are actual comments from kids at my school.)
One Piece: "That's dumb as hell! Who stretches? That samurai would be good if he'd kill more people!"
Hikaru no Go: "Oh great, board game anime. What's next, Hikaru no Monopoly? Or Go Fish Assault?"
Shaman King: (After seeing the cover of a SK Graphic Novel)"Shaman King? What the hell's this about, voodoo in africa?"
That is just stupid. If they were true anime fans they would look past the bad things (One Piece has none) and see the good.
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Originally posted by Shinagamithe3rd@Apr 6 2005, 01:52 PM
It's the posers who say they're true fans but the most they've ever seen is Vampire Hunter D or Akira and think the only good anime are the hardcore violent ones (Not saying hardcore violent anime are bad.) but then here comes one with an actual original storyline and people think it's stupid. I've heard such comments like for example….
[snapback]26052[/snapback]The ones that irritate me are the Japan worshippers. They only know one thing about Japan, that anime comes from there.
I wanna beat the skulls of those people in.Anyway, Viz used to be good. If they have to edit something, why not sell an edited and unedited version?
Again, Viz is friggin dumb.
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It pissed me off how small it was. They could of atleast put in more chapters, or more pages in color, but no. Keep editing everything, and make the characters say darn instead of damn, and any other shit. I'm still buying Viz stuff, I don't care about sound effects, but at least I still get to read it.
I have a feeling the whole manga/anime fad is becoming like Communism. It sounded great at first because it was becoming big, but as soon as it grew, so hardships came.
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I'm still begrudgingly buying Viz's GN's.
The whole Zolo thing, for me, can be solved with white out and a black pen.
It's my way of saying "Eat Shit" to Viz.I could read their versions of the manga's online but I'm too picky. There's a difference between looking at a scanlation on a screen and actually reading the manga itself.
When I buy Viz's GN's, I'm supporting the manga-ka, not Viz. Even if a few cents go to the authors, I'm happy.
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Originally posted by Nami@Apr 6 2005, 07:58 AM
Huge English sound effects, Westernizations, edited art, cheap dialogue, etc.
[snapback]25912[/snapback]What's wrong with westernizing? Doesn't bother me at all.
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You know, I just had a thought.
I can really picture Oda, when they asked if they could rename Zoro…
Viz Guy: Hey, can we change the name of Zoro to "Zolo"?
Oda: Yeah, sure. Whatever.He's just amused by the changes in foreign countries, it seems. It doesn't seem like changing one letter, with a perfectly good (albeit incorrect) translation, would bother him all that much. So, I'm not as bothered about that as I used to be.
The visual edits... I don't mind them editing out the finger. I think that's just a cultural difference. The only edit I dislike that I can think of off the top of my head, would by #17's gun.
However, the cursing IS needed at some points. "DARN YOU CROCODILE" doesn't have the same impact as "DAMN YOU CROCODILE"... or whatever the line was. If they even have Sanji use "Darn", that's pushing it too far -- he's a real potty-mouth, that one. It isn't true to the character for him to say "Darn", IMHO. That needs to change, if only to allow "Damns" and "Hells". "Crap" is, in my opinion, a perfectly good alternative to the stronger shit. Though, "Crap Creek" doesn't sound as good as "Shit Creek". But, "Hello, this is the crappy restaurant" would be okay, I think...
I disagree with a lot of what Viz has done, but will I continue to buy from them? Hell yeah. They do a pretty fine job, with the exception of the lack of cursing.
So, in short... Maybe you guys could reconsider? No? Well, whatever. Not my business... I just wanted to state my opinions.
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You make an excellent point, GoAnderson.
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I also find the repetitive Yugi covers annoying. :/ Although they did have DBZ and Naruto before this month.
that's why I hate the way the anime industry is going these days….
Welcome to the AMERICAN ANIMATION INDUSTRY, love. It's not just anime that suffers, animation as a whole is being flushed…. but that's a different story. :3 (although the 3d stuff is doing quite well. xD )
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that's why I hate the way the anime industry is going these days…. it all for the kids
You mean just like it is in Japan? Series in Japan meant for kids are marketed for kids here. Series in Japan meant for adults or young adults are marketed for adults or young adults here.
Make no mistake, your animated Yu Yu Hakusho's, One Piece's, Naruto's and etc. are all for child audiences. Then programs like, oh I don't know, let's say Gilgamesh, are made for the relatively small otaku audiences in Japan awake at 2AM.
That said,
I do agree SJ is being absurd by pumping YGO. I have nothing against marketting, nor the series itself, but it's been years now. Kids know where they can buy YGO. They're just depriving themselves of more fans. THAT aspect (and that alone) is really obnoxious.
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Frankly I don't see anything bad about the manga "fad". Why would it be a fad? A fad is something people get tired of, like snap bracelets. Manga hasn't gone away in Japan, nor in many other countries it's popular in. The US was a late adopter, but now that people know about it, why would it go away? It's great! Individual series will rise and fall in popularity, but there's no reason for the art form itself to disappear.
I love manga, and I want as many people as possible to experience the series I enjoy. You shouldn't have to pass some kind of test. When I first got into it, I would never have thought that I would be able to see whole shelves devoted to it at the bookstore and that some of the series I've come to like, like One Piece and Those Who Hunt Elves, would ever come out in English.
I certainly don't like the edits that have been made, but don't see any evidence that things are any worse then they've ever been. Until just a few years ago, every English manga was printed backwards for crying out loud. It cost three dollars to buy the month's two chapters. Urusei Yatsura had whole chapters dropped out of it entirely and the artwork in entire panels removed.
The first manga I liked was Dragon Ball, thanks entirely to the horribly mutilated 1995 dub of the anime. No matter how awful a job they do to these things, some people will see the great story underneath it, and care enough to seek out the original. Other people won't even be aware of the changes, and will just enjoy them for what they are. Reading "Zolo" and "darn you" grates on the nerves of people who've been reading it on the internet like us, but if some kid picks it up and isn't even aware of the original, will their enjoyment of the story be decreased? Zoro is the same awesome character no matter what his name is.
This shouldn't be taken as any kind of an endorsement of censorship - any alteration to the artwork bugs the hell out of me, but I'd rather see it come out like that than not come out at all. Manga is entertainment for the masses, not for a small, elite clique, and it's always mystified me why so many in the US seem to view it as the latter. -
Sakurai's words make me happy.
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Originally posted by Solar Knight+Apr 6 2005, 03:01 PM–>QUOTE(Solar Knight @ Apr 6 2005, 03:01 PM)
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I really have to agree with GoAnderson, Sakurai, and Omae.
And I'd rather have westernization than obscure Japanese popculture references and Japanese puns. Just look at Milk-chan on Adult Swim.
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True. If you don't have some idea of what the puns are about it's just like "brain go explode". But back to the Fist of the North Star thing…It would have been easier to say something along the lines of "He's a ruthless opponent." Yes, it sounds like a cheesy Kung Fu dub line but still its better than Charles Manson and OJ Simpson.
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i never buy the SJ thing mainly because,i would only read 2 comics in it,i moslty read the one piece part of the comic anyway.
As for the Zoro/Zolo change it annoys me i keep saying zolo instead of Zoro and the getting on my nerves.
I do wish they use more cursing one piece because at the beginning they cursed alot more then they do now.personally i dont mind the pirate talk in the lowly pirates it's kinda funny,but when Zoro says it stop being funny.
now that i think about it i might get the next Vol after all. provoid i dont keep saying zolo :rolleyes: .
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Originally posted by Shinagamithe3rd+Apr 6 2005, 06:37 PM–>QUOTE(Shinagamithe3rd @ Apr 6 2005, 06:37 PM) _> Originally posted by Solar Knight@Apr 6 2005, 03:01 PM
Huge English sound effects, Westernizations, edited art, cheap dialogue, etc.
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What's wrong with westernizing? Doesn't bother me at all.
[snapback]26098[/snapback]It does me. I hate the cheesy pirate lines they stick in OP. Like when Zoro was fighting the Nyaban Bros. and Butchie almost crushed him and he said "Curse Ye!" I just threw down that SJ right there and said fuck it. Almost all manga publishers in America do this too. I really hated it when I was reading the Raijin Comics Fist of the North Star Perfect Edition and when Kenshiro is fighting Rao, he said "This guy's as savage as Charles Manson and OJ Simpson combined!" That was complete bullshit.
[snapback]26167[/snapback]Then what the hell do you want them to say?… Japenese refrences?..For that buy a import... For real you make TOO big a deal for something stupid like that._
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"Buy a import"? The whole thing is getting a well translated volume, since few people want a bookshelf filled with comics they can't read.
And what we want them to say is….not shit. That FotNS line was terrible. If there's a Japanese reference that's crucial for reading, then it should be left in, with sidenotes. If there wasn't a reference originally, then keep it that way. And if such a bad line was in the original, then omit it. Translators should use what fits best, not an awkward, direct adaption, or something they pulled out of their ass.
"Kuwabara's no Carl Lewis!" <_<
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Yeah but will you guys ever get satisfied? I bet if they do get the dialog on par of the oringinal you guys will complain about something else. Just be glad with what we got…cause it can get a WHOLE lot worse...
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I don't think it could get worse. There's a minimum companies have to meet if they wanna sell anything at all.
And hey, Viz did an amazing job with a lot of their non-SJ titles, like Vagabond. I've never heard/seen anyone complain about it.
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I hate the cheesy pirate lines they stick in OP.
But cheesy Japanese pirate lines are in the OP manga.
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Yeah but will you guys ever get satisfied? I bet if they do get the dialog on par of the oringinal you guys will complain about something else. Just be glad with what we got…cause it can get a WHOLE lot worse...
Umm… you're completely missing the point. Without fans complaining about disgusting horrible mistranslations and edits, things like Tenjou Tenge happen. The rampant CMX edits were the result of a fan base that simply wasn't speaking out about the violent rape crimes being commited on different titles, so they got the idea that it was okay to just change whatever the hell they wanted as long as the original creators sign off on it (cause we all know how fluent manga artists are in English, after all they write manga cause they did so well in school). Thankfully though, Tenjou Tenge is being boycotted and hopefully this will send a strong message to the manga/dubbing companies about getting "edit-happy".
When it comes to the English Shounen Jump... I honestly can't stand it. I would be shocked if the translators/editors for these series are even fans of the series...
(And if you still don't get my no-tollerance policies towards censorship, check my good buddy Luffy's opinion over to the left)
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Viz is increasinlgy more and more dissapointing.
But Bleach, Kenshin, and YuYu are given good treatment.
Yuyu is actually uncensored in GN form. The team there has some sense. Unlike the DBZ bunch….
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Originally posted by OtacontheOtaku@Apr 8 2005, 12:34 AM
**> Yeah but will you guys ever get satisfied? I bet if they do get the dialog on par of the oringinal you guys will complain about something else. Just be glad with what we got…cause it can get a WHOLE lot worse...Umm… you're completely missing the point. Without fans complaining about disgusting horrible mistranslations and edits, things like Tenjou Tenge happen. The rampant CMX edits were the result of a fan base that simply wasn't speaking out about the violent rape crimes being commited on different titles, so they got the idea that it was okay to just change whatever the hell they wanted as long as the original creators sign off on it (cause we all know how fluent manga artists are in English, after all they write manga cause they did so well in school). Thankfully though, Tenjou Tenge is being boycotted and hopefully this will send a strong message to the manga/dubbing companies about getting "edit-happy".
When it comes to the English Shounen Jump... I honestly can't stand it. I would be shocked if the translators/editors for these series are even fans of the series...
(And if you still don't get my no-tollerance policies towards censorship, check my good buddy Luffy's opinion over to the left)
[snapback]26669[/snapback]**But it's not even that bad… I mean for real... Write your reasons why you don't like Viz's Shonen Jump.. I really think your complaining over nothin... OH WOW they changed Zoro's name to Zolo!! Big whoop....
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Originally posted by Zephos@Apr 8 2005, 03:52 PM
**Viz is increasinlgy more and more dissapointing.But Bleach, Kenshin, and YuYu are given good treatment.
Yuyu is actually uncensored in GN form. The team there has some sense. Unlike the DBZ bunch….
[snapback]26951[/snapback]**Yeah a lot of people like to complain about the dialogue in Viz's Yuyu but I think the only thing wrong with it is the silly swear word alternatives, and those are easy to look past.
I used to think they did a good job with One Piece's dialogue… but then came the pirate lingo... then innapropriate "darn you"s... then Zolo.
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I used to think they did a good job with One Piece's dialogue… but then came the pirate lingo
Yet again. Japanese pirate lingo is in Japanese OP. Damn them for being consistant.
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But it's not even that bad… I mean for real... Write your reasons why you don't like Viz's Shonen Jump.. I really think your complaining over nothin... OH WOW they changed Zoro's name to Zolo!! Big whoop....
The reason people are angry at that is because they did it TWO YEARS after calling him Zoro, then they lie and say it was like that from the beginning. I'm not giving my money to a company that treats people like morons.
Regarding the editing, if they have to do it, here is a simple soultion.
Sell an edited and unedited, and clearly mark them.
Wait, THAT WOULD BE THE INTELLEGENT THING TO DO. Can't have that.
I'm done with them, unless they can pull their head out of their ass.
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Originally posted by KatanaJon@Apr 8 2005, 06:04 PM
**> But it's not even that bad… I mean for real... Write your reasons why you don't like Viz's Shonen Jump.. I really think your complaining over nothin... OH WOW they changed Zoro's name to Zolo!! Big whoop....The reason people are angry at that is because they did it TWO YEARS after calling him Zoro, then they lie and say it was like that from the beginning. I'm not giving my money to a company that treats people like morons.
Regarding the editing, if they have to do it, here is a simple soultion.
Sell an edited and unedited, and clearly mark them.
Wait, THAT WOULD BE THE INTELLEGENT THING TO DO. Can't have that.
I'm done with them, unless they can pull their head out of their ass.
[snapback]26986[/snapback]**Watever…You guys are still making to big a deal about it...but do as you will...
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Originally posted by RomanMack@Apr 8 2005, 07:16 PM
Watever…You guys are still making to big a deal about it...but do as you will...
[snapback]26991[/snapback]No disrespect, but:
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Wait, THAT WOULD BE THE INTELLEGENT THING TO DO. Can't have that.
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They're abandoning a lot of fans. Dumb move. No question whatsoever.
But do we need to keep concentrating on what a dumb move it was? We know it sucks and we know it was pointless.
But aren't we being just as dumb for focussing on that and coming back to it again and again instead of moving on and accepting Viz Media makes some selfish choices?
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Originally posted by KatanaJon@Apr 8 2005, 06:04 PM
Wait, THAT WOULD BE THE INTELLEGENT THING TO DO. Can't have that.
[snapback]26986[/snapback]It's hard to say what would or wouldn't be intelligent without seeing the sort of money Viz makes off assorted merchandising. The fact is, it might not be profitable for them to put out two different versions of every single release.
Now that I've made that point, everything Sakurai said is what I would say if it hadn't already been said. And I'm going to try and bow out of this topic as quickly as I can, lest it lead to me wanting to bang my head against a wall.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Apr 8 2005, 05:45 PM
**> I used to think they did a good job with One Piece's dialogue… but then came the pirate lingoYet again. Japanese pirate lingo is in Japanese OP. Damn them for being consistant.
[snapback]26980[/snapback]**Whoops… sorry :( . It still seemed kind of weird since only Kuro's pirates really talked like that. I didn't like all the cat puns though. Those weren't in the original, were they?
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Those weren't in the original, were they?
Attack names were. There's a saying in Japan:
Nuku ashi, Sashi ashi, Shinobi ashi
It's basically like…..I can't even think of anything off the top of my head but it's what you say when you creep around so as not to get caught. I believe Kuro's move is Nuku Ashi (correct me if I'm wrong) but it's a play on how creepily cats can move around without being noticed. Not to mention the Nyaban Brother's moves and general appearance (even the cloak) are mainly puns on cats.
They're just keeping the general theme. Like stephen's Ao Kiji saying "so chill". He doesn't actually say 'chill' but his attitude is sluggish like his ice state and the pun carries over nicely.
And just to clarify, pirate lingo in Japanese isn't as specific as pirate-speak here. They weren't literally saying 'ye' or stuff like that. They were, however, using words that are commonly used in groups of ruffians such as biker gangs like "yarou domo". Literally means 'You wild guys' but could easily be read as 'yah scurvy dogs', it's the same feeling, talking down to your own people to get them pumped up.
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I really hate how they think they have to put Yu-Gi-Oh! on 11 out of 12 covers a year to sell the damn magazine. That only makes ittle kids wan't to buy it and they don't even read the other manga. Half the time they don't even buy the mag for the manga, just the little premiums like the Yu-Gi-Oh! promo cards and game demos. They get these and don't give the book a second look.
"I Need Mo' Allowence!"
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Originally posted by Shinagamithe3rd@Apr 9 2005, 01:39 PM
That only makes ittle kids wan't to buy it and they don't even read the other manga. Half the time they don't even buy the mag for the manga, just the little premiums like the Yu-Gi-Oh! promo cards and game demos. They get these and don't give the book a second look.
[snapback]27274[/snapback]So what?
Really, that doesn't seem to prevent other people that want to read Shonen Jump from being able to buy their copies.
If a little kid buys a copy just for the Yu-Gi-Oh card or whatever, what's the harm? There's always a chance that they might read the other comics as well.
Keeping anime as some sort of exclusive club doesn't do it any good; for all the bitching people used to do about the Funimation dub of DBZ, it still did more for that franchise (and anime in general) than every internet fan combined.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Apr 9 2005, 03:24 AM
**> Those weren't in the original, were they?Attack names were. There's a saying in Japan:
Nuku ashi, Sashi ashi, Shinobi ashi
It's basically like…..I can't even think of anything off the top of my head but it's what you say when you creep around so as not to get caught. I believe Kuro's move is Nuku Ashi (correct me if I'm wrong) but it's a play on how creepily cats can move around without being noticed. Not to mention the Nyaban Brother's moves and general appearance (even the cloak) are mainly puns on cats.
They're just keeping the general theme. Like stephen's Ao Kiji saying "so chill". He doesn't actually say 'chill' but his attitude is sluggish like his ice state and the pun carries over nicely.
And just to clarify, pirate lingo in Japanese isn't as specific as pirate-speak here. They weren't literally saying 'ye' or stuff like that. They were, however, using words that are commonly used in groups of ruffians such as biker gangs like "yarou domo". Literally means 'You wild guys' but could easily be read as 'yah scurvy dogs', it's the same feeling, talking down to your own people to get them pumped up.
[snapback]27151[/snapback]**Hmmm, well then I guess my only gripes with Viz's One Piece are Zolo and innapropriate darns.
Anyways thanks for clearing that up omae. It's cool having people who speak Japanese on these boards. :D
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Viz has used some…..lousy covers for OP.
Vol.4 = UGLY
Vol.5 = Meh
Vol.6 = BlehThey shouldn't mess around with the colors.
And with Bleach they took the titles off the front.
BUT they do make the YuYu and kenshin covers better looking...
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Oh yeah I agree with you about the covers for One Piece. The gold on blue for vol. 4 looks terrible.
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I really hate how they think they have to put Yu-Gi-Oh! on 11 out of 12 covers a year to sell the damn magazine.
I agree. That is absurd. They're avoiding a whole group of potential customers.
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Originally posted by Gon@Apr 9 2005, 11:35 PM
Oh yeah I agree with you about the covers for One Piece. The gold on blue for vol. 4 looks terrible.
[snapback]27645[/snapback]Yhea, Vol.4 was a mess.
Clashing colors all over the place.That and they chose
"The Black Cat Pirates"
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"Crecent Moon""CM" is both cooler and symbolic of Kuro's insanity…sorta.
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Are the cover OP really that bad. I look at the Japan counter part of the cover on the site The US version is the similar to them.
As for Yu-gi-oh getting the spotlight for the SJ covers. This is my complain.
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Its not that they changed it. Its that what they did change looks ugly.
Their cover images are also sort of blurry, and the red in them as been kicked up a knotch.
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I never noticed the colors and I don't realyl care about them.
Then again, I don't look for things like that just so I can complain about something.
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Oh come off it.
I'm very fond of the covers, and I'm an artist myself, so I notice things like clashing colors. They bother me.No seriously, its ugly.
-Purple
-light green
-red
-light blue
-gold on every frickin volumeUgly mish mash that I happend to spot!
I noticed it so its natural to mock!
put it together and what have you got?
Viz graphic desighners greatly suck ****!
 
