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      Okay, lemme clear a few things up before you start posting stupid responses:

      1. Yes, I know this is a manga
      2. Yes, I know some things are impossible, such as Bon Kurei running straight up a wall.
      3. Yes, I know this is a manga
      4. Yes, I know what element of belief is.

      That said, let's have a serious discussion.

      Does anyone else believe that the gravity level in the One Piece planet is slightly lower than Earth's? I'm putting this in the manga section because there are certain evidence pieces I have from the latest chapters of the manga. But in any case, people are able to jump higher, resist impact better, and create techniques based on this lower gravity. Luffy's Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd could also be a indirect result of not only his rubber body, but the lower gravity level on the One Piece world.

      Several incidents have been shown that display a lower level of gravity. There's probably too many to name here.

      Any predictions to what the lower level of gravity equates to? I'm thinking about .8 of Earth's. That would be reasonable enough to make a difference.

      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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        @Fire Fist:

        Okay, lemme clear a few things up before you start posting stupid responses:

        1. Yes, I know this is a manga
        2. Yes, I know some things are impossible, such as Bon Kurei running straight up a wall.
        3. Yes, I know this is a manga
        4. Yes, I know what element of belief is.

        That said, let's have a serious discussion.

        Might I point out that half of this "discussion" was dedicated to justifying the topic? o.O

        @Fire Fist:

        Does anyone else believe that the gravity level in the One Piece planet is slightly lower than Earth's? I'm putting this in the manga section because there are certain evidence pieces I have from the latest chapters of the manga. But in any case, people are able to jump higher, resist impact better, and create techniques based on this lower gravity. Luffy's Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd could also be a indirect result of not only his rubber body, but the lower gravity level on the One Piece world.

        Gear 3 is like a giant balloon; it's filled with air. I do not follow with Gear 2. Additionally, if the gravity were slightly lower, would that even have a noticeable effect on the phenomenon you're trying to identify?

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        Several incidents have been shown that display a lower level of gravity. There's probably too many to name here.

        COME ON! Give us at least ONE! 😕

        @Fire Fist:

        Any predictions to what the lower level of gravity equates to? I'm thinking about .8 of Earth's. That would be reasonable enough to make a difference.

        Ok.

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          Some examples? Okie-dokie.

          1. Pretty much any jumping. Most notably Nami when she jumps from Cocoyashi Dock to the Going Merry.

          2. Sanji's Kicks that cause Horizontal (Not vertical) force, such as Mouton Shoot. Even with such a great force, they would come to the ground much sooner. Same with Kuroobi's punches.

          3. Geppou. When combined with Kami-e, I can see it lasting great distances, but Geppou by itself is slightly dependent on the user's weight.

          There are others, too.

          What I meant with Gear 2 and Gear 3 is a simple matter of physics. This experiment was tested during early Space Exploration days.

          A piston in space will operate with much greater effiicency than a piston on Earth because of the lack of gravity. Because a piston (Just like Gear 2 and 3) is mechanical and therefore does not require gravity to function, gravity and lift only serve to disrupt the normal operation. However, with lower gravity, we still have pressure and friction acting on the piston. Hence, Luffy's steam. But Luffy's Gear 2 is very efficient, meaning there's lower gravitational force acting on it.

          Gravity is an invisible force that causes attraction between two objects. It's what pulls smaller objects toward a larger object. In space, this can be as simple as 2 meteors. But on Earth, the largest object is always the Earth. So the Gravity is always towards the planet.

          Lift is a counterbalance to Gravity, just as drag is a counterbalance to thrust. The more thrust applied, the more drag is created. The key is always keeping the thrust higher than the drag. But no matter how much you increase the thrust, the drag will steadily increase as well.

          The only problem is that gravity is a constant. If you increase lift, gravity does not increase. But if gravity decreases, the amount of lift required to perform the same distance from the larger object decreases.

          Sorry, that was a little bit of rambling. But you can see my point.

          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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              Sigh Just forget it. I was trying to be serious for once…

              One Piece does pay attention to SOME laws of physics...

              I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                So you are saying al your posts in the other threads weren't meant to be serious?

                That explains a lot

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                  You're not helping, Elric. m(__)m

                  The point is, gravity is probably (if not definitely) slightly lower in Odaworld than it is on Earth. If it indeed is, then it would explain a lot.

                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                    The only time i can remember that the gravity got fuc… messed, was in the Luffy vs Crocodile underground fight in anime.
                    Man those rocks taked about a minute to fall

                    You want me to show magic?

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                      Well, that and Bon Kurei/Karoo running vertically.

                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                        Well, that and Bon Kurei/Karoo running vertically.

                        Not much of gravity here, their feet were (sry sp) holding/grapping the wall. Check the holes they did while clibing

                        You want me to show magic?

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                          They can jump higher cause they are stronger than normal 😐

                          Do you see a marine or a any background guy who jump higher than normal?

                          Cause if you use Heroe as exemple to explain a theory for everybody, i am sure your reasoning will be false 😮
                          You can use scientific demonstration to Odaverse, but do not jump to conclusion so hastly, or you will miss important point, and people will start flaming 😉

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                          If you correct me, i will improve :)

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                            Well even if you don't like it in the discussion… it still is a manga.

                            Let's say there is no lower gravity intendet by Oda, and everything is just the way it is, because it is a manga. Now you say you don't want that point in the discussion. How can we have a serious discussion, if the main counterevidence is nullified from the begining?

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                            1. Pretty much any jumping. Most notably Nami when she jumps from Cocoyashi Dock to the Going Merry.

                            Nami used to carry lots of gold, good training + she is slim as a stick.
                            So, Nami and everybody else who shows some unnatural jumping skills might just have powerful legs.
                            As you said yourself:
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                            The only problem is that gravity is a constant. If you increase lift, gravity does not increase. But if gravity decreases, the amount of lift required to perform the same distance from the larger object decreases.

                            So gravity does not need to be lower, if the characters just have more power… and we know they DO.

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                            2. Sanji's Kicks that cause Horizontal (Not vertical) force, such as Mouton Shoot. Even with such a great force, they would come to the ground much sooner. Same with Kuroobi's punches.

                            I think we don't know how much power is behind those kicks, and the fact people fly so far is intendet to show the sheer power of his kicks.
                            Same for Kuroobi's punches. Sanji did crash thru a wall, so there is lotsa power in that punch. No matter how strong the gravity is, Sanji's rips ought to be broken after that. They weren't. So we are back at the "it's a manga"-point…

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                            3. Geppou. When combined with Kami-e, I can see it lasting great distances, but Geppou by itself is slightly dependent on the user's weight.

                            We know some CP9's rokushiki needs superhuman strength and speed for the legs. So again no comparison between our gravity and theirs possible.

                            Concerning Gear 2 and Gear 3… if I get you right, you say: Lower gravity makes it easier for Luffy to accomplish them. But as we see it is rather exhausting for him to keep them up. + again we have no comparison. We dont have Luffy on the OP planet and Luffy on Earth. So we can't say if one is more accurate or anything.

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                              OK, but then you have to say stuff like tom & jerry have a different gravity (aside from cartoon gravity)

                              i think its cartoon gravity 😕 its funny. they are cartoons XD

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                                I think we don't know how much power is behind those kicks, and the fact people fly so far is intendet to show the sheer power of his kicks.
                                Same for Kuroobi's punches. Sanji did crash thru a wall, so there is lotsa power in that punch. No matter how strong the gravity is, Sanji's rips ought to be broken after that. They weren't. So we are back at the "it's a manga"-point…

                                Actually, Oda stated in an SBS it's the equivalent of the strength required to break 7 wooden bats with one kick. In all honesty, that's impressive, but Bruce Lee could do that with his fist.

                                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                  to break 7 wooden bats with one kick. In all honesty, that's impressive, but Bruce Lee could do that with his fist.

                                  Bruce Lee could break 7 wooden bats with his fist?! Since when? I know Bruce was strong…. but THAT strong?!

                                  Kurei was able to run on the wall because he was super fast. Similar to human who can run about 3 steps on a wall before coming back down.

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                                    His One Inch Punch shoved a 200 - pound man into a chair.

                                    If we assume that the average wooden bat is 20 pounds, that's only 140 pounds.

                                    Hell, one of his kicks could shatter a 70kg sandbag.

                                    So yes, Bruce Lee could shatter 7 wooden bats with his One Inch Punch.

                                    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                      @Fire Fist:

                                      Actually, Oda stated in an SBS it's the equivalent of the strength required to break 7 wooden bats with one kick.

                                      Umm… actually Oda stated one of Sanji's kicks would not only destroy the mashine that is made for measuring kick or punch power, but also destroy the wall behind it. I think even Bruce Lee was not capable of doing so...
                                      ...oh and it is the power to destroy 21 wooden baseball bats in one kick, not 7.

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                                        @Fire Fist:

                                        Okay, lemme clear a few things up before you start posting stupid responses:

                                        1. Yes, I know this is a manga
                                        2. Yes, I know some things are impossible, such as Bon Kurei running straight up a wall.
                                        3. Yes, I know this is a manga
                                        4. Yes, I know what element of belief is.

                                        That said, let's have a serious discussion.

                                        Does anyone else believe that the gravity level in the One Piece planet is slightly lower than Earth's? I'm putting this in the manga section because there are certain evidence pieces I have from the latest chapters of the manga. But in any case, people are able to jump higher, resist impact better, and create techniques based on this lower gravity. Luffy's Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd could also be a indirect result of not only his rubber body, but the lower gravity level on the One Piece world.

                                        Several incidents have been shown that display a lower level of gravity. There's probably too many to name here.

                                        Any predictions to what the lower level of gravity equates to? I'm thinking about .8 of Earth's. That would be reasonable enough to make a difference.

                                        Good point. I never thought of that.

                                        Or maybe it's just that Oda has eaten the Gravity Gravity Fruit and is making everyone jump around like idiots.

                                        Holy hole in a doughnut, Batman!

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                                          Bruce Lee could break 7 wooden bats with his fist?! Since when? I know Bruce was strong…. but THAT strong?!

                                          Kurei was able to run on the wall because he was super fast. Similar to human who can run about 3 steps on a wall before coming back down.

                                          Bruce Lee was a freak of nature, I really wish they would teach about him in gym class in all schools around the world or something, because the world would seriously benefit if we built up our bodies the way he had built his.

                                          On Topic, I agree, the gravity may be that of mars, but not quite the moon, so a little less than earth, and I think the normal air may be full of hydrogen/helium which explains why Luffy can float when he uses fuusen.

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                                            His One Inch Punch shoved a 200 - pound man into a chair.

                                            If we assume that the average wooden bat is 20 pounds, that's only 140 pounds.

                                            Hell, one of his kicks could shatter a 70kg sandbag.

                                            So yes, Bruce Lee could shatter 7 wooden bats with his One Inch Punch.

                                            I really fail to see any logic here. Just cause he can push a man weighing 200 pounds backwards, doesnt really mean that he can break 200 pounds worth of baseballbats. Plus, he would have to keep the punch at the same strength all the way through 7 (or 21, as thats Sanjis strength),

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                                              Isn't gravity in fiction (especially shonen) one of those things u shouldn't question? Real world physics don't exactly apply in these types of fictional stories.

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                                                @Aliaz:

                                                I really fail to see any logic here. Just cause he can push a man weighing 200 pounds backwards, doesnt really mean that he can break 200 pounds worth of baseballbats. Plus, he would have to keep the punch at the same strength all the way through 7 (or 21, as thats Sanjis strength),

                                                As was stated, Bruce Lee is a freak of nature.

                                                But my logic is simple. The human body may weigh 200 pounds, but would also put up a good deal of resistance to this blow. In order to stomach it without injury, the person would have to had braced himself for impact, Bruce would have to hit a point where he knew that he would not injure the person, and the blow would still have to be forceful enough to force the entire body backwards, resistance and all.

                                                An unprotected One Inch Punch would most definitely collapse someone's heart. No question.

                                                That said, Breaking 7 bats would no problem. I can see a problem with 21, though. XD

                                                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                  It's a ****ing comic book and cartoon show jesus christ!

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                                                    It's because it's oriental! All those oriental guys can walk on treetops and fly thru the air! Haven't you seen the movies?

                                                    Some Americans can, too, but only if they wear colorful tights!

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                                                      sigh Can any mod just shut the thread? You try to have a serious discussion and there's always some dude that tries and flames threads like this… And it's funny, cause it's usually people who NEVER post unless it's something they want to flame...

                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                        i can't accept your answer of 0.8 because.
                                                        1. no work is shown
                                                        2. no units.

                                                        i think instead of justifying OPworld gravity, you should discuss WHERE ODA'S PHYSICS WENT WRONG, and WHERE IT WENT RIGHT. that would be a better discussion topic.

                                                        that said, dear lord.

                                                        i'm a physics graduate student, and even i know never to involve real life physics into comics >_>;

                                                        but you started this, so hey, don't blame me.

                                                        i once made a presentation about physics in one piece to my fellow physics majors in a class, and everyone agrees never to involve real life physics in comics. bottomline is, it's better to be happy than right any day. think about it: if all space exploration movies were physically correct, it would be like 2001: a space odyssey; when you see a space ship out in the space, you will not hear a damn thing. so there goes the whole fun of the KSHOO KSSHOO KACHOOO BOOM of the space battles in starwars and startrek.

                                                        as for gravity in OPworld being lower than that of the earth, i wonder why you would go so far as to concluding this, instead of the fact that maybe people in one piece just has stronger leg muscles, or even the fact that ODA GOT QUITE A LOT OF HIS PHYSICS WRONG? look at sanji in arabasta: he kicked through walls. while you can blame that on the weak structure of the wall, or somehow relate that to the this question about gravity, it's easier and probably more correct to conclude that sanji has a stronger leg muscle.

                                                        1. Pretty much any jumping. Most notably Nami when she jumps from Cocoyashi Dock to the Going Merry.

                                                        (ch 95, p 14)
                                                        this was highly regarded as one of the greatest violation of laws of physics. still though, it's probably more correct to say that nami has strong leg muscles that allows her to jump that high and that far… muscles stronger than michael jordan because such a jump would not be possible to do unless you have a springboard underneath. (yes, it was jordan's strong leg muscles that allows him to 'airwalk' because it lets him push the ground with a bigger force and obtain a larger upward acceleration that allows him to "hang" in the air. remember F=ma). keep in mind, however, that oda is a MANGAKA. not a PHYSICIST.

                                                        2. Sanji's Kicks that cause Horizontal (Not vertical) force, such as Mouton Shoot. Even with such a great force, they would come to the ground much sooner. Same with Kuroobi's punches.

                                                        depends on how hard you push. think of it as throwing a baseball. the harder you throw, the longer the ball will go horizontal before it curves down and touch the ground due to gravity pull. again, it is probably more correct to assume that sanji's legs are just super strong that he's able to exert a huge amount of force into whatever he kicks, and give it a huge acceleration such that the object will reach a very high velocity that allows it to travel horizontal longer.

                                                        i can make the calculations for that, if you'd like me to. such as how strong his leg muscles should be.

                                                        so in short, this would be a nice, serious discussion if instead of justifying that the OPworld gravity is lower than that of earth, we discuss WHERE ODA'S PHYSICS WENT AWRY.

                                                        for example: in skypiea when gadus fights chopper.

                                                        now kids, turn onto v28, chapter 262, page 12.

                                                        chopper jumped up using jump point, and gadus propelled himself up. then chopper switched to weight point, decreasing his upward velocity and causing him to fall faster.

                                                        impossible.

                                                        remember that potential energy (mgh) is converted into kinetic energy (1/2 mv^2). so mgh = 1/2 mv^2, and the mass is cancelled out. the upward velocity is INDEPENDENT of mass. remember that v = v0 + at and the other two motion formulas do not have a mass term in it. the only way chopper can decrease his upward velocity and fall to avoid gedatsu's punch is by momentum transfer, which means he'll need to throw something or shoot a shotgun upward, and the recoil will cause him to decrease his velocity.

                                                        so chopper's not very smart in physics.

                                                        now let's see WHERE ODA ACTUALLY GOT HIS PHYSICS CORRECT: foxy's noro noro beam DOES NOT violate any laws of physics. now please turn to volume 33, chapter 309, page 5.

                                                        foxy said that (null translation) anything that gets hit by his noronoro beam will preserve any form of energy it has, but will lose its speed. we all know that energy is conserved (except in some quantum mechanical system and possibly string theory, but let's not get there), so the kinetic or whatever energy the object has before it gets hit by noronoro beam should remain the same, before and after it gets beamed. how can it lose its speed then? well, if the speed decreases, then the kinetic energy should too, since KE = 1/2 mv^2. that means this energy transforms into another type of energy, most likely potential. now notice the effect after 30seconds. all the energy that gets stored up as potential energy from the loss of speed comes back all at once, and this allows what foxy calls "FOXY RUSH." no physics is violated.

                                                        my most favorite part where oda got his physics right has to be in v11, chapter 102, page 6, where luffy shot a cannon onto laboon to decrease stop the ship from crashing onto laboon. and it's definitely a great physics moment, because the one person in the crew who actually understands momentum transfer is… LUFFY. xD

                                                        too bad he's an idiot. if he were a bit smarter he'd have fired twice.

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                                                          KSHOO KSSHOO KACHOOO BOOM

                                                          WOOT!!! Physics is fun! :wub::wub::wub: I'm goin go build a spaceship.
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                                                            i can make the calculations for that, if you'd like me to. such as how strong his leg muscles should be.

                                                            I'd be interessted in that. 😆
                                                            That would be cool to know.

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                                                              To be honest with you, about this gravity thing (on a serious level)…

                                                              I don't think Oda's even thought about it.

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                                                                i always wondered if a mangalike strong blow to the head isn't more likely to rip that head off instead of sending the whole body flying for rather large distances and eventually even smashing through walls^^

                                                                same goes for blows to the body.I thought a blow that could accelerate you that much would normally tear a hole in your stomach.

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                                                                  Yeah, the Laboon thing was a trip. Never figured Luffy would understand opposing force.

                                                                  Come to think of it, is it really that hard to kick through a wall? Especially a wall made of wood and plaster? I mean, I have decent leg muscles and I could kick through a normal wall if I wanted to.

                                                                  Bruce Lee could probably kick a hole in the wall. His average kick was able to break a 45KG sandbag. That's insane.

                                                                  Speaking of that, it reminds of an SBS that showed that Oda understands physics somewhat. Someone asked why Zeff ate his right foot, which is his kicking foot. Oda answered that the plant foot is more important than the kicking foot, which is correct. Force is applied to the plant foot in order to allow the kicking foot to execute the motion. The entire weight of the kick must start on the plant foot and then go to the kicking foot. It's pretty simple physics.

                                                                  Knock-up stream is actually an interesting chemistry / physics problem in itself.

                                                                  If you lay down a formula:

                                                                  g = size of knockup stream
                                                                  f = amount of steam pressure building under the sea bed

                                                                  If G^2 X f^2 = the square root of the force applied to the stream itself, then we can assume that the diameter of Knockup stream can be rather small. But the steam pressure itself… does it really need that much pressure?

                                                                  Per Gan Fall, Lower Cloud Sea is 7000 meters above the surface of the Odaworld.

                                                                  Thus, the answer to the problem is the amount of force required to propel a roughly 200 ton ship (Speaking of that, was it ever mentioned the weight of Going Merry? I don't have Tanko 11 with me atm. ;_;) 7000 meters in the air.

                                                                  E1n, this is all yours.

                                                                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                    See, I understand e1n's post but why is it that whenever I start number crunching, I always end up wrong? -.-

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                                                                      ch202, p11.

                                                                      seems to me like that thing is made of rocks. or stones. or bricks. not wood and plaster.

                                                                      and the aftermath, ch 213, p4

                                                                      first layer is clearly stone crack. 2nd layer is wood, third one is made of brick, and the 4th one is same material as the first.

                                                                      let's not bring up a comparison to bruce lee. we're talking about comics and the phsyics in it here. as a serious discussion, this is pretty decent as long as it stays within the borders of PHYSICS IN MANGA, not COMPARING MANGA WITH REAL LIFE. so let's forget about all the bruce lee comparison.

                                                                      Speaking of that, it reminds of an SBS that showed that Oda understands physics somewhat. Someone asked why Zeff ate his right foot, which is his kicking foot. Oda answered that the plant foot is more important than the kicking foot, which is correct. Force is applied to the plant foot in order to allow the kicking foot to execute the motion. The entire weight of the kick must start on the plant foot and then go to the kicking foot. It's pretty simple physics.

                                                                      yes indeed that is true. but here's the question: does oda understand the physics behind it from physics standpoint, or does he understand the physics behind it from fighting/martial art standpoint? it's not very hard to find out/learn about how the plant foot actually needs to be stronger than the kicking foot, but it's a not-so-simple physics that involves torques and rotational kinematics stuff to know how it actually works, meaning if we want to, say, calculate how much force the plant leg needs to withstand to give the kicking leg a certain torque.

                                                                      as for the calculations, let me write it up.

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                                                                        There's really no way to calculate such things without other numbers first; we'd need to know the size of the planet as well as the composition of the planet (whether the planet is rich or poor in heavy metals). Planets with more mass will have a higher gravitational field.

                                                                        Most of the examples that you cite should really be attributed the freakish strength of the person accomplishing those feats rather than the idea that the Odaverse has a weaker gravitation field than the Earth. You don't see people who are considered normal to be leaping around like the Meowban Brothers for instance.

                                                                        As a side note about the whole baseball bat issue, bats usually weigh somewhere between 27 and 36 ounces (1 pound, nine ounces and 1 pound, 10 ounces). Even 36 oz bats are fairly rare; I really can't think of anybody other than Julio Franco that uses one that heavy. The ability to shove around 200 pounds of a solid mass does not mean that you can break 200 pounds worth of baseball bats, especially if those bats are tied together so that they're a roughly solid object.

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                                                                        so there goes the whole fun of the KSHOO KSSHOO KACHOOO BOOM of the space battles in starwars and startrek.

                                                                        I'm pretty sure that Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Star Wars brings up just this issue. The in-universe answer is that noises are simulated by a ship's sensor systems for the comfort of the crew. People have a tendency to freak out when explosions and what-not occur noiselessly, so shipping companies install systems to alleviate that.

                                                                        Sure, the real reason that we hear sound in space in the series is because it sounds cool and everything, but there is an in-universe answer for it that dates back almost thirty years.

                                                                        Thus, the answer to the problem is the amount of force required to propel a roughly 200 ton ship (Speaking of that, was it ever mentioned the weight of Going Merry? I don't have Tanko 11 with me atm. ;_;) 7000 meters in the air.

                                                                        Considering that she's a caravel, she should weigh somewhere between fifty and a hundred tons; somewhere in the fifty-sixty range is far more likely. Even with a full load, I doubt that the Merry would be all that heavy where ships are concerned as caravels weren't designed to be cargo ships.

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                                                                          You're not helping, Elric. m(__)m

                                                                          Well let's face it; the entire united nations armed forces probably couldn't help at this point, so it's more fun to enjoy the laughter.

                                                                          Of course, the entire united nations armed forces wouldn't come to help in the first place.

                                                                          France would take money from the enemy and then insist that it was evil to intervine, despite the fact that all the documents say "IF X HAPPENS, THE UN WILL INTERVINE, NO REALLY WE MEAN IT" and germany would be too busy trying not to look like a warmonger, and meanwhile there would be actual problems that needed to be dealt with so the US would go and do it and then get bitched at by the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD for being the only ones with the STONES to actually DO SOMETHING.

                                                                          AGAIN.

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                                                                            Couldn't Nami jumping onto the Merry simply mean she has muscles that strong? I mean, in a world where people can lift tons, destroy ships with ease, jump hundreds of feet in the air, go at sound speed etc, Jordan level muscles doesn't seem all the impressive.

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                                                                              @Porter:

                                                                              I'd be interessted in that. 😆
                                                                              That would be cool to know.

                                                                              you asked for it.

                                                                              physics is phun.

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                                                                                Couldn't Nami jumping onto the Merry simply mean she has muscles that strong? I mean, in a world where people can lift tons, destroy ships with ease, jump hundreds of feet in the air, go at sound speed etc, Jordan level muscles doesn't seem all the impressive.

                                                                                I have a better answer. On the far side of that massive island where Cocoyashi is on, there was a gigantic tidal wave that drew in a lot of water from the shore. This allowed the Going Merry to sink enough for Nami to land on its rail without falling or looking like a monster. The reason the GM didn't get pulled out with the wave was that it was tied up at the time.

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                                                                                  sigh Can any mod just shut the thread? You try to have a serious discussion and there's always some dude that tries and flames threads like this… And it's funny, cause it's usually people who NEVER post unless it's something they want to flame...

                                                                                  Hey, that was going on with me, too!! Weird :blink:

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                                                                                    @e1n:

                                                                                    you asked for it.

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                                                                                    physics is phun.

                                                                                    And that would be 1.5 hummers traveling at 170mph? Yeah, probably not. The idea of the Odaverse having less gravity is very reasonable logic. Also, if you remember the giant globe in Ohara, you'll remember that the One Piece planet has several moons which could be affecting the gravity.

                                                                                    I know people aren't really taking the idea of less gravity seriously, but this would make for an interesting SBS question.

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                                                                                      @e1n:

                                                                                      you asked for it.

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                                                                                      physics is phun.

                                                                                      Omg you're like a perverted Leonardo Da Vinci!!! 😁

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                                                                                        leonardo da vinci isn't a physicist >_>;;

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                                                                                          e1n, that's… Beautiful. You should become a physics teacher or something, because that's the first time physics has interested me since I learned how a straw works.

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                                                                                            @e1n:

                                                                                            leonardo da vinci isn't a physicist >_>;;

                                                                                            Well he drew pretty pictures and was a good inventor (as a result of how good he was at science) so close nough 😉

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                                                                                              The idea of the Odaverse having less gravity is very reasonable logic.

                                                                                              I don't know about that; again, most of these feats simply require that the people doing them be really strong, which is more often than not the case. We don't see regular Marines hopping around those Captains and Commanders did.

                                                                                              Having it be a Festivusian Feat of Strength makes more sense to me than it being due to the gravitation field of the planet.

                                                                                              Also, if you remember the giant globe in Ohara, you'll remember that the One Piece planet has several moons which could be affecting the gravity.

                                                                                              How would they accomplish that exactly?

                                                                                              Besides, those haven't been confirmed to be moons (I don't think we've ever seen anywhere near that many moons in the sky in One Piece). The fact that it's a geocentric model suggests that it's a bit antiquated anyway.

                                                                                              I know people aren't really taking the idea of less gravity seriously

                                                                                              Certain people should stop making horses' asses out of themselves about this sort of thing. If they don't like a thread and don't want to contribute to it, then they shouldn't post in it. Posting simply to complain about it is absurd.

                                                                                              If it doesn't warrant discussion, it'll be locked by whatever moderator decides that it needs to be locked for that reason. That's what they're here for along with banning idiots and making sure things run smoothly. So they'll either lock it if it's inane enough or it'll drift off into oblivion where it right fully belongs with the creation of new threads; posting in it simply keeps it active.

                                                                                              Manga used to be my favorite forum of Arlong Park, but idiocy like complaining about topics has made it a chore to read many of the threads here anymore.

                                                                                              , but this would make for an interesting SBS question.

                                                                                              Knowing Oda, it'd largely depend on how it's framed. If somebody says that they think it's lower, then he'll agree with it. Otherwise, it's kind of a toss-up.

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                                                                                                e1n, I love it when you talk physics to me. 😆
                                                                                                (Now if Bonkurei was following a path of circular motion… that would be fun to figure out >D)

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                                                                                                  Sanji Put Bon Kurei In Orbit Omg!!!1111!!

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                                                                                                    @e1n:

                                                                                                    you asked for it.

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                                                                                                    physics is phun.

                                                                                                    78m/s… 780m/s²... 5500kg... excellent 😆

                                                                                                    May I ask for permission to put that (translated to german) on my OP-fansite? ^^
                                                                                                    Of course with your name under it, noone would belief I was coming up with something like that, anyways.👅

                                                                                                    Oh and I wonder: Since Sanji himself is not send flying, does that mean his other leg pushes the same force into the ground? 5500kg on an plain the size of his shoe?

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                                                                                                      Very impressive work. Bravo.

                                                                                                      Now that we've established Sanji can kick a tank 50 meters, how about doing one for Knockup Stream?

                                                                                                      Specifically, the amount of steam pressure required to generate the force that would propel a 60 ton ship 7000 meters in the air.

                                                                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                                                        Now that we've established Sanji can kick a tank 50 meters, how about doing one for Knockup Stream?

                                                                                                        Actually not a tank, just a 70kg guy… that then feels like a tank ran over his face. ^^

                                                                                                        But the knock-up stream calculation would be very interessting as well, I have to agree. 😆

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