What's with the sudden bashing of the anime?

game2005

I notice that quite a few numbers of people on this board complaining and dissing the animation of the anime and saying that how awful they are animated. In fact, I remember coming across someone here saying he/she doesn't look forward to the anime anymore because the animation has been <censored>lately.

I don't think the animation is that bad. Sure, it may not be as good compared to the older episodes, but surely it's not the worst either. We should respect Toei for trying their best to make the episodes.

And if you're one of those people who complain about the animation, ask yourself: Can you draw better animations than this?</censored>

wintergt

If your house crashed down, don't complain because you probably couldn't have built a better one anyway.

I like the anime a lot, despite the bad animation, but that "can you do better?" argument is just a load of crap.

Serenity

@game2005:

We should respect Toei for trying their best to make the episodes.

And if you're one of those people who complain about the animation, ask yourself: Can you draw better animations than this?

About Toei trying their best, they have done better episodes than these:ninja:
After all, it's their job. They get paid to make some well-animated eps…

In my opinion, the overall animation is quite fine, it's just some scenes that hurt to look at them XD

kryptonite

I don't even notice, really… Only when people take screenshots or point it out do I notice...

Unless it's glaringly bad, like when Zoro's sword hilt grew until about three of his hands could fit on that thing... runs

Polygon

I actually think the W7/eneis lobby animation is better.

Satanstorm

Since the water 7 arc the animation improvet a lot if you ask me.It"s still beter then the odly drawn Skyisland arc.

http://world3.monstersgame.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=38088387

The Dude

The animation HAS severely waned in quality since Alabasta. The episodes nowadays are kinda hit or miss. It's got to be a budget thing.

Mr. All Sunday

I've only noticed a couple of things that looked bad (specifically Blueno's hair and nose), but other than that the animation seems fine; I really like it actually. I haven't noticed any blaring discrepancies.

Shakidna_

The majority of Water 7 looked fine, but after they got thrown out of Iceburg's mansion, the qualtiy just dove straight down. It's been noteably worse ever since, with the exception of the Franky flashback. Thare are more dodgey scenes now than ever before, and very few exceptionally pretty ones.
Not just the quality of the drawings, but the overall art direction is pretty lacking. Why are we getting characters with neon orange skin. The giants in Enies Lobby are pretty lacking in shape and detail.
We need the team that directed Drum Island.

Myoti

Aside from a few badly drawn moments, I haven't thought that anything was really that bad in the show itself.

As for the animation, I thought it has been quite good lately, especially during the Luffy/Blueno fight. That seems like some of the best animation (which =/= art :|) we've had in awhile.

onemoment

Yes, the animation has been good, but the scenes characters have been badly drawn. I've been preetty dissapointed with Enies Loby in this aspect.

However, I'm optamistic as to how the fights will turn out. The good animation is usually saved for the big fights.

Sekum GoldenPirate

Actually, I have to agree with Octogon. The W7/Enies Lobby art and animation is better than the rest of the arcs. (It's my opinion, don't argue with me)

my least favorite style of art in One piece anime were the beginning arcs
and some parts of Arabasta..

Malintex_Terek

It's important to note that Toei is so huge it's like "tertiary" school for animation (where primary is high school and secondary is college/tech. inst.). Because of the number of licenses defaulting to Toei, they can use their connections to train new generations of animators for more selective studios. It's sort of like how Disney/Warner used to be, where they took promising amateur artists and eventually churned out skilled professionals.

In a sense, it's related to the budget issues, since all companies are looking for ways to cheapen animation, but at the same time, Toei's doing Japan a world of good.

Pants-eater

I think the animation got up heaps. Compare W7 and pre-Arlong. It adds to the One Piece-ness of the anime.

zeroxtb

hate to beat a semi-dead horse, but i gotta agree that the animation has been great during W7/EL. Yeah, there's been a few bad moments (before luffy actually fought blueno, the episode quality wasn't exactly my favorite, then the fight started and my eyes got raped with awesome.)

Demon Rin

When people get angry over animation I never know what they are talking about, Art or animation since a lot of people have taken to Calling them both the same thing.
art is the way the things are drawn, Animation is the way they move.
The animation of W7/Enies Lobby has been excellent, Especially the Luffy Blueno fight. the things that I have noticed have problems are some of the Moments with the Art. Perticularily the way Nami looked when they were looking for Zoro and Luffy right Before the Aqua Laguna, there was also some of the art during the Luffy Blueno fight (They may have sacrificed good art for fluid animation, which is fine) and one solid example people could look up is Luffy's Hand when he's Saying "GOMU GOMU NO JET PISTOL" just look at it there, it isnt all that good. but the animation has been great and the art isn't too bad all the time, only I want to see how well they do when the fights start, since budgets are probabily usually held for things like that.

KamenRiderNeko

I guess the animators can't keep up with Oda's awesome style or something >_>

but seriously, I LOVE the way its animated right now. I cringe at the first two seasons now, cuz they look really awkward to me now… kinda child-like. I like this more grown-up look they've got... Yes. Even the disproportioned Nami and Robin.... Nothing wrong with being overly stylized, even if it breaks all anatomy rules.

But like some people have already said.... its hit or miss really... sometimes animators are not at their best, but at least when it matters, they really do pull through with some amazingly beautiful animation.

! Like the way they animated Luffy and co. facing CP9…. I cried at how awesome it was done. It was beautiful

gaara d. lucci

Luffy vs. Blueno was also a pefect example of how good the animators are at their best.

KamenRiderNeko

Yes, I totally agree with you on that, gaara d. lucci ^^

Myoti

Ditto. I've actually gone back and watched clips of that fight just to see how beautifully animated much of it was, especially during Gear 2nd. =D

shinpfn

I do not know about others, but after I saw what they did with episode 120, I think they could not get down anymore ever (and they did not). For those that remember, that is the episode where Ruffy saves Vivi from falling to certain death and starts the 2nd fight against Croc. That scene where he saves her is my all time favorite in the manga. On the anime it´s the worst ever. The song played is missplaced. The animation is not fluid. The art is pathetic. That episode is probably the most f*cked up in history of One Piece. Look at it and you will stop complaining abou EL/W7.

Greg

o_o -_- O_O

HUH!!!!??? What is there to complain about? OP either moves or it doesn't. That doesn't change the story one bit.

In literally ALL of OP, I can think of only one scene that I think will look better animated. And two weeks ago I couldn't even think of one. That of course is JET Gatling. Other than that, what more could you ask for from the animation? It's moving, it's colored and it has voices.

Plus I mean, yeah every episode COULD have badass animation.

But then we'd be subjected to waiting a FUCKLOAD more than 2-4 weeks at most between new episodes.

Senshi Mizaka

I thought the Water 7 animation quality was a bit of a "Roller coaster". In other words, as the arc progressed, the quality had alot of ups and downs. It was great when it started out, but when the anime got to the CP9 revelation, we had alot of badly drawn scenes. More notebly, 245 and 246. Then, when Franky explained the Klaubertauman to Usopp, that had better quality, along with Franky's flashback. Then, it was back to poorly drawn, but I liked how the particular team animated the Rocketman scene.

Basically, the entire part of the arc when the crew is chasing Puffing Tom the episodes were chocked full of badly drawn scenes. They pulled off the Sogeking theme nicely, though. The animation didn't really improve untill Luffy vs. Blueno like some people mentioned. I just hope Toei keeps the same animation team for the Strawhats vs. CP9, especially Franky vs. Fukurou, Nami vs. Calipha.

wintergt

@Myoti:

Ditto. I've actually gone back and watched clips of that fight just to see how beautifully animated much of it was, especially during Gear 2nd. =D

I've watched that bit so often I've lost count

Malintex_Terek

Water 7's character designs were terrible, especially before the mansion and on the Sea Train. In terms of animation, OP has been pretty static, except the start of the Luffy v. Blueno fight which was hideous.

captain usopp

@Malintex_Terek:

the Luffy v. Blueno fight which was hideous.

you really think that? well your opinion.

I think they have different levels of animators. to save money, they use the second rate animators, but when they can, or when an important scene comes up, like luffy vs blueno (sorry M terek) they splurge and go with the better animators.

@ Greg. Yes, you have a point, but at the same time, these are profesional artists. They should be able to draw better than me. IF your going to do something, you should do it good, not half assed, otherwise, why do it at all.

Raoul

I'll be honest, I think that most people who complain about animation on the internet have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

People keep saying "it was so much better before", while that is absolutely not true.
Half of the episodes of the Arabasta arc (save the BW fights and Croc vs Luffy) had bad animation and arts.
Most of Little Garden, Labboon, Whiskey Peak and Skypiea was pretty horrible in the anime too.

The only arc that was entirely beautifully handeled was Drum.

I think that most people here watched all the first, I don't know, 160 first episodes in a row, and now that they're watching weekly, they actually pay more attention to the details so notice when the animation is bad more easily.

Episodes with the current style, like 236, 243, 244, 251, 273 and 275 are so much better than any of the episodes with the old style it's not even funny (save perhaps Drum and the BW fights).

captain usopp

@Raoul:

I think that most people here watched all the first 130 episodes in a row, and now that they're watching weekly, they actually pay more attention to the details so notice when the animation is bad more easily.

this is a good point you brought up. Still I don't think the old style was bad. Just different. I happen to perfer it. That doesn't mean the new style is bad either though. Just sometimes, they are drawin badly. new or old style. I think the "poorly drawn scenes" thread is a good example.

Raoul

@captain:

this is a good point you brought up. Still I don't think the old style was bad. Just different. I happen to perfer it. That doesn't mean the new style is bad either though. Just sometimes, they are drawin badly. new or old style. I think the "poorly drawn scenes" thread is a good example.

Oh no, I didn't mean the old style was bad…on the contrary, when done right (Drum), it worked wonders.

However, people keep saying things were so much better before, and the anime was always good with the old style ,wich is absolutely not true.
The old style had awesome episodes, and bad ones too, and it's the same for the current style.

tonitonichopper

The animation has gotten quite wierd there faces are all strecthed out its weird

gnafron

@Raoul:

Episodes with the current style, like 236, 243, 244, 251, 273 and 275 are so much better than any of the episodes with the old style it's not even funny (save perhaps Drum and the BW fights).

I don't understand either why people keep complaining at the animation (or even art for that matter). I think the final product is definitely more polished and fluid in W7 / Enies Lobby than in the previous arcs. I am in fact especially amazed how they keep using uncommon point of views and perspectives and how smoothly the 3D was inserted. Hope they go on that way.

Guess pepople may be paying more attention to the graphics now that the story and rythm of the scenario is slowing down a bit. I'm also so excited, I can't wait to see the fights vs CP9 though we finally progressed a bit in the intrigue thanks to Robin's flashback.

Refii

The animation got drastically better IMO up until the sea train, the climax was the Ussop Robin encounter where he tells her to come with him.

Then it sort of got filler arc animation, which isn't a bad thing since we've seen that type of animation before, but it was just noticeable because we literally got excellent animation not 2 episodes ago.

[hide]So I don't think the animation has gone down, it'll be good for the fights which is really what counts I suppose, hopefully the talented artists are working on the Buster Call scenes.[/hide]

Pants-eater

Opening 5 animation quality > Opening 1 animation quality.

spaz

the animation has changed look at the first eps than look at the newest one.. there faces look more square now than in the begining

Creeping_Wrath

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nduns

Personally, I don't give a crap about that kind of thing. I still think it's cool. It's different and maybe not as good, but it's still tolerable.

captain usopp

@spaz:

the animation has changed look at the first eps than look at the newest one.. there faces look more square now than in the begining

the art is How they LOOK. the animation is how they MOVE. come to think of it, Usopp's original design was the only one that really bugs me. I like all the original charicter designs. Zoro, I have no preference, before or after.

SteveRessel

I think the style of layout has changed to try and meet the more baroque style Oda works in these days. And, they need to draw bigger I assume to meet the wider HDTV screen ration.

But, aside from that, this show ALWAYS had some really awful animation in it….Alabastard?? Don't make me laugh. The Mr.4 episode was animated like turd almighty, as was a ton of that arc (remember Ms. Doublefinger vs Nami?? HO BOY...).

The people complaining now are just pubey boys on a frustration bender.

Oh, I will admit the newest opener is the worst ever, but that doesn't change the actual episode content. Quality comes and goes since they use so many crews to make the show.

bevin

It's going to be the same with any traditionally animated show because (with the exception of completely in-house stuff like some OVAs or something with an unnaturally high budget) the animation is farmed out to other animation houses so they can be done in some semblance of a realistic time-frame. As a result, you get a mixed bag of quality and sometimes the characters aren't totally on-model even if the animation's smokin'. It's always been that way and will probably always continue to be that way because hand-drawn, 2-D animation is just so time consuming to do, there's no other realistic way of making a long-running show. It doesn't bother me, I just appreciate the well-animated ones when they show up.

shadowrep

ive also been wondering why the bring down of water 7 its the arc ive watched so far ive hated skypiea and arlong and buggys they were boring this one is exciting

Zephos

God, its like I'm on Gaia….

I don't think the animation is that bad. Sure, it may not be as good compared to the older episodes, but surely it's not the worst either. We should respect Toei for trying their best to make the episodes.

Oh PLEASE. Get real son, the world runs on critiscism, not submissive consumerism. Why without it, no striving for better, thus stagnation and eventual death of a market.

And if you're one of those people who complain about the animation, ask yourself: Can you draw better animations than this?

OH PLEASE 2. This is another bad arguement. If you go to a restauraunt and order a chicken. And it tastes like a wet bag of onions rolled in barber hair, are you going to say "Golly, I'm not a chef, so I should to not complain."

Pants-eater

The graphic quality is better in the sixth opening. Sure there is Robin's missing sleeve and such but I still think the shading and such have improved.

Before, the colouring was sometimes one colour but now, it has changed.

Asami-chan

??? but the anime improved! it's obvious. specially in W7!
I like it more now ^^ they look more mature.

Kaze

I agree, I like the style alot better. Mostly Because it reminds me sorta of Movie six. WHICH was the best out of all of them.

Shakidna_

Not that this is actually poorly drawn, but I really don't like the amount of shading they use now, compared to pre-G8. The lack of shading was one of the things that made One Piece unique. Yet it could still look incredibly detailed, as can be seen in Arlong and Drum Island arcs. Then, there was the purple-gradient they used to use. I haven't seen that since Skypiea, and it's a shame, because it really looked a lot nicer than a plain blotch of dark cel shading plastered on the face. Now, they are way too often using the extra shading to make up for the fact that their characters are poorly drawn. I must admit that at certain points, the shading did look pretty hot. Somewhere in G8,

! everything from Ussop's confrontation of Franky, to Luffy vs. Ussop, and the finale of Davy Back Fight round two in particular. The problem is that Toei doesn't have the budget to support every episode looking like this, so we get lots of half-assed drawings with shading everywhere.