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      Okay, I did a few searches for this topic and found none, so please don't injure me if this isn't new.

      I have a few thoughts on why Aokiji did what he did. So far, we haven't learned why he would leave the Straw Hats alone after not smashing Luffy, but then go and give Spandam a Golden denden mushi and tell him all about where Robin was.

      So here's my theory:

      Remember what Aokiji said about the Straw Hats becoming "an acute threat"? He also stated that Robin would destroy them, like every other group she's ever joined.

      So, he set up the entire situation with CP9, to test how far they would go.
      You follow? Aokiji is testing to see a) how far the SHs will go to rescue Nico Robin, b) whether or not their group could survive her membership, and c) how willing they are to fight the government.

      And judging by the Enies Lobby arc, they're a threat. 😁

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        the only problem with that theory is, is Aokiji that kinda of person to set this type of things up?

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          For some reason I think Ao Kiji will turn out to be a Vegeta/Piccolo.. I think Ao Kiji will turn out to be the downfall of the WG, he just gives me that vibe. Sengoku gives me the same vibe as Ao Kiji, the Gorosei are the bad guys though.

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            I think Aokiji is just an honorable man that chose to fullfil his promise to Luffy of "mano a mano."

            Secondly he didn't have the order to take them out, he was acting out of his own free will since he confronted them while taking a walk.

            And lastly I think he's definately loyal to the WG, but what he wants of the SH is probably to weed out the bad seeds in the WG without getting his own hands dirty, for example getting rid of psychos like CP9 and Spadam, without having Aokiji directly involved in their dismissal.

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                To be quite honest, I have still hard time following Ao Kiji's reasonings even with all the "granpa debt" stuff. Probably even harder after recent revelations.

                • Why he went to meet Luffy? (how he even found Luffy?)
                • Why he assaulted Luffy?
                • Why he tried to kill Robin?
                • Why he left Luffy and the crew live?
                • Why he gave Spandam the Golden Snail?

                It's like he doesn't know what he wants.

                Ao Kiji testing if Luffy and the crew would have what it takes could make sense, I like it, but apparently Ao Kiji didn't even know about Water 7 being the next island from Long Ring Long Land.

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                  To be quite honest, I have still hard time following Ao Kiji's reasonings even with all the "granpa debt" stuff. Probably even harder after recent revelations.

                  • Why he went to meet Luffy? (how he even found Luffy?)
                  • Why he assaulted Luffy?
                  • Why he tried to kill Robin?
                  • Why he left Luffy and the crew live?
                  • Why he gave Spandam the Golden Snail?

                  It's like he doesn't know what he wants.

                  Ao Kiji testing if Luffy and the crew would have what it takes could make sense, I like it, but apparently Ao Kiji didn't even know about Water 7 being the next island from Long Ring Long Land.

                  Maybe aokiji is testing the crew if they really are READY to take on the WG and maybe even to test luffy if he really deserves to be called a PIRATE and to become a PIRATE KING?

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                    To be quite honest, I have still hard time following Ao Kiji's reasonings even with all the "granpa debt" stuff. Probably even harder after recent revelations.

                    • Why he went to meet Luffy? (how he even found Luffy?)

                    He said it himself; he just went for a walk and apparently bumped into them by accident. He just wanted to make sure Nico Robin was part of the crew so that the Headquarters could recalculate the total bounty put on their heads.

                    • Why he assaulted Luffy?

                    He didn't assault anybody.

                    • Why he tried to kill Robin?

                    Because she attacked him first.

                    • Why he left Luffy and the crew live?

                    He made a deal with Luffy to fight him one on one. Apparently he thought attacking the crew after beating Luffy would break that promise and would be contrary to his code of honor. Farfetched, but why not.

                    He didn't kill Luffy probably for the same reason he let Robin flee; he wants to see how he'll developp in the future. For all his nice laid back guy qualities he seems to have a more sadistic, machiavelian side to his personality. He likes to play with people's minds apparently, as shown when he told the crew about Robin's past betrayals.

                    • Why he gave Spandam the Golden Snail?

                    This one is the only real mystery, but I guess we'll have answers once the EL arc is over.

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                      I wrote in a AP.net Aokiji articles long ago that he is the orchestrator of Water 7/Enies Lobby arc.

                      • He knew Robin past 20 years ago as an Vice Admiral. He knew how Robin stuffered for 20 year after getting betrayed countless of times. He filled Robin with fear and doubt towards the crewmembers, He even tested the SHP's friendship towards Robin. Since Aokiji knew about Robin that the SHP don't know about, Robin got pissed off with his taunt and tried to kill him. Aokiji froze her and attempt to shatter her as an test. He was amused that the SHP kept defending her.

                      • He knew Spandian, the father of Spandam and he knew about the CP9 current operation. He told Spandam that Robin is heading towards Water 7 and gave him the Golden Den Den Mushi. Spandam at that time almost had the CP9 carry out the mission, but Aokiji told him about Robin that Spandam decided to delay the plan and wait for Robin to arrive to Water 7.

                      • Because of Aokiji, the CP9 were aware of Robin's arrival, they sent Bluneo to whisper the word "CP9" to bring her in. Because of Aokiji, Robin was forced to complay with the CP9's wishes and had to betray the SHP. Because of Aokiji, Robin had doubted Luffy into thinking he would betray her.

                      • It is because of Aokiji, the SHP are stuck in the middle of the CP9 situation, they end up chasting after Robin after getting framed.
                        Think about it, if Aokiji never appears in LRLL island, then Spandam would had carry out his plans already without Robin's aid, the CP9 and Franky would be long gone once the SHP lands on at Water 7, the Franky Family and the SS would be chasing after Franky, Usopp would not get robbed and the Luffy Vs. Usopp duel might not happened. Iceburg and Pauile would be dead by the attack already, The SHP would not be able to find the shipwight and a ship in Water 7, Robin would not disappear, the SHP may never get an upgrade, and the whole Enies Lobby arc will not happen.

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                        Anyone get the feeling Kuzan is really really really old? Like the Gorosei?

                        His Hie Hie no Mi is perfect for giving him anti-aging properties. Plus, he could use the ice to reshape his appearance to make him look younger than he actually is.

                        In all reality, he doesn't look much different than he did 20 years ago.

                        Btw, the Gorosei will be the Strawhat's final opponents. 5 of them, 5 of the main guys, much like the Blackbeard crew. Notice one carries a sword and has his right arm out his sleeve like a Samurai (And the sword is probably a Superior Grade sword and the finest sword in the world, I'll bet you), one is tall and has long legs and a longass mustache coming out of his nose (like Zeff), One looks fairly young and is probably a doctor (The one that looks like Iceburg), The dude with the stick looks like he could be a navigator (Divination rod instead of a cane?), and the bald guy would probably be Luffy's opponent.

                        That's just speculation, though, but I can see it happening.

                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                          Plausible….but not really going to happen....and besides, isn't Mihawk the stronger swordman in the world?

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                            Because she attacked him first.

                            But to suddenly go to kill mode because of that? I have read that part many times and every time I read it makes less sense and becomes more random. Perhaps I just think it too much and Ao Kiji is just like that (I would like that too). And we will probably end up getting some kind of an exposition by Ao Kiji, some day, but I still keep getting this picture into my head…

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                              I didn't say he was the best swordsman in the world. I said that he probably has the finest SWORD in the world. Just because Mihawk's the best doesn't mean his sword is.

                              I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                But to suddenly go to kill mode because of that? I have read that part many times and every time I read it makes less sense and becomes more random. Perhaps I just think it too much and Ao Kiji is just like that (I would like that too). And we will probably end up getting some kind of an exposition by Ao Kiji, some day, but I still keep getting this picture into my head…

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                                Just seems like it's his character. He's a lazy bastard who won't pick a fight if he can avoid it but he's also an elite soldier who won't take shit from anybody. Robin tried to break his neck, he just gave her what she deserved, simple.

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                                  But, Mihawk would be a better fighter anyway, and a harder time for Zoro.

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                                    It could depends of the sword. If the porousei guy got the 1st rank "demon sword" as the one zoro have (in a lower rank) the power of this sword mastered could be so great that he'll be a harder fight than mihawk

                                    I personnally think that the gorousei won't fight alone, but with buddah ^^ and that it'll be a 6 VS 6 fight…

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                                      I wonder what skillz does Sengoku has….... if he suddenly turn Super Saiyan, everyone will be shock for ages......

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                                        I often thougt that Ao Kiji's goals were broader than wht he told us they were. I was thinking he might secretly be in leauge with Dragon, and they want to see if the SH's would make a good weapon against the government.

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                                          @Yoska:

                                          To be quite honest, I have still hard time following Ao Kiji's reasonings even with all the "granpa debt" stuff. Probably even harder after recent revelations.

                                          There is no "granpa debt." This is a misreading of Ao Kiji's speech to Luffy; he owes Luffy for the defeat of Crocodile. He simply says that Luffy's grandfather gave him a lot of trouble.

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                                          but apparently Ao Kiji didn't even know about Water 7 being the next island from Long Ring Long Land.

                                          He states quite clearly as he's cycling away from Longring Longland that Water 7 is the next island.

                                          It seems quite clear that Ao Kiji orchestrated at least a part of what happened after the Strawhats left Longring Longland. My feeling is that he knew Spandam was up to no good, but didn't want to get involved personally, as Spandam probably has some pretty powerful people backing him. He tested the Strawhats' loyalty to Robin and to each other to see if they could do what he needed, and apparently they passed.

                                          Whether or not he actually intended the Buster Call to happen, or if it was intended merely to be a threat to make Robin comply, I do not know.

                                          I love this story. It seems so simple on the surface, and yet you know Oda has done some really crafty things to make the story end up where it has right now. 😁

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                                            Okay, I did a few searches for this topic and found none, so please don't injure me if this isn't new.

                                            I have a few thoughts on why Aokiji did what he did. So far, we haven't learned why he would leave the Straw Hats alone after not smashing Luffy, but then go and give Spandam a Golden denden mushi and tell him all about where Robin was.

                                            So here's my theory:

                                            Remember what Aokiji said about the Straw Hats becoming "an acute threat"? He also stated that Robin would destroy them, like every other group she's ever joined.

                                            So, he set up the entire situation with CP9, to test how far they would go.
                                            You follow? Aokiji is testing to see a) how far the SHs will go to rescue Nico Robin, b) whether or not their group could survive her membership, and c) how willing they are to fight the government.

                                            And judging by the Enies Lobby arc, they're a threat. 😁

                                            You know, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was true.

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                                              @Shasti:

                                              There is no "granpa debt." This is a misreading of Ao Kiji's speech to Luffy; he owes Luffy for the defeat of Crocodile. He simply says that Luffy's grandfather gave him a lot of trouble.

                                              Ah, okey. Good to know. Sorry about that. The line I have been misreading for over two years now is probably:

                                              You see… I owed your grandfather a "favor" once, years ago...

                                              He states quite clearly as he's cycling away from Longring Longland that Water 7 is the next island.

                                              Ao Kiji didn't know that Water 7 was the next island until he left LRLL, with Luffy and Robin, behind:

                                              Following the Log…
                                              The next island should be... huh?!
                                              Water Seven... the "Water Metropolis."
                                              He is surprised.

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                                                Do you have a misconseption that Aokiji is God Buddha? Or some kind of cheap magician that can tell the future?

                                                It's very possible the context of his words were in a "O RLY? Water 7 is next, I didn't know rolls eyes" context, but we don't know that yet, because we just haven't seen enough of what goes on in his head other than psychopathic decisions to go killing machine because some bitch (albeit his bitch, that he's been looking over) direspected him.

                                                The GL moves in a single line as you get further and further along, no matter what, you will get to the central Marine locations, one of them you have to there is no way around them since the GL moves in this way. It was inevitable that the SH would encounter the Marines, and knowing Robins scrupulous past he knew when there was a sign of danger she would bail and run back to him for forgiveness/run away to someone else she can screw over.

                                                I see Aokiji's relationship to Robin very much like a pimp and his hoe, Aokiji wants to control her every actions and expects respect in return for giving her the honor of being controlled by him, Robin is trying to run away from him, but at the same time self destructing anyone that stands in her way in order to survive. In fact that's how Arlong and Nami acted as well, I don't see why you would see this situation differently.

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                                                  Hi, after lurking around here for some years i finally registered…
                                                  I always found the psychology beihind Aokiji quite intriguing - unclear as it is.
                                                  For understanding anything it´s very useful to ackknowledge the (few) facts:

                                                  "Aokiji: It would be so easy to crush you here
                                                  and end your life... but I have a debt to pay.
                                                  Let's call the stakes even... now that you've taken care of Crocodile for
                                                  me.
                                                  Plus...
                                                  No... nevermind. That's just Smoker being stupid...
                                                  Farewell..."
                                                  (Quote from Stephens scripts, chap. 321)

                                                  What did you read for two years Yoska?

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                                                    @Refii:

                                                    Do you have a misconseption that Aokiji is God Buddha? Or some kind of cheap magician that can tell the future?

                                                    <_<

                                                    When Ao Kiji was fighting Luffy he didn't know Water 7 was the next Island. It's simply as that.

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                                                      Not to disrespect you Yoska but you weren't in his head to know if he knew about the next destination or not .

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                                                        Not to disrespect anyone, but when you read the chapter (321) it´s most obvious that he didn´t know about the next island as he checks the map.
                                                        First: his astonished reaction
                                                        Second : why checking a map if you knew all before?

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                                                          Well, if you read what I post, you would see what Aokiji has in his mind.

                                                          Simple, he started the whole mess in Water 7/Enies Lobby. He knew the CP9 are operatable in Water 7, he contacted Spandam and hell broke lose.

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                                                            I'm sure the marines have eternal poses to just about every island. They can go wherever the hell they want. The only reason Raftel can't be reached is probably one of three things:

                                                            1. Massive land ridge that only shifts under certain conditions

                                                            2. Special Seakings that are immune to devil fruit powers

                                                            3. Gravitational force that pulls ships to the bottom of the ocean

                                                            I'm thinking it's the 3rd one, really. That's the whole reason Raftel didn't reach Raftel years ago. Anyone who tries to sail there has their ship sucked under the sea.

                                                            Kuzan knows where the Log Pose goes in just about every step. He's a really smart guy and I believe he's probably at least 80. Because of the Hie Hie no Mi, he probably ages a helluva lot slower than most people.

                                                            Kuzan knew that Robin was trouble, but not entirely because of her own intentions. Initially, she was a scared child looking for someone to accept her. Then people constantly betraying her caused her to distrust and attempt to ruin anyone who came along. Kuzan knows that in order for Robin to redeem herself, she must find someone who truly would go the extra mile to save her.

                                                            Thus, Kuzan did orchestrate the whole Enies Lobby incident as a means to derail Spandam's efforts. I seriously doubt Spandam and Kuzan get along by any means. He doesn't really care about CP9, which is evident in his comment in Robin's flashback:

                                                            "Sir! CP9 Director Spandain has reached Ohara."

                                                            "… Was that so important that it required WAKING ME UP, ASSHOLE?!"

                                                            The only person I can legitimiately see beating Kuzan is Ace, and that's only because of his DF power. Otherwise, even Whitebeard would have a tough time fighting Kuzan.

                                                            I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                              I'm sure the marines have eternal poses to just about every island. They can go wherever the hell they want. The only reason Raftel can't be reached is probably one of three things:

                                                              1. Massive land ridge that only shifts under certain conditions

                                                              2. Special Seakings that are immune to devil fruit powers

                                                              3. Gravitational force that pulls ships to the bottom of the ocean

                                                              4. It is the land of the people the WG wiped out in the lost 100 years and it has been buried into the sea, leaving only the Rio Poneglyph (somehow) as proof of it's existence..

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                                                                I think Aokiji has his own sort of hidden agenda. Now I haven't read anything related to him (cause I haven't gotten around to it yet), but from what I've picked up, and guessed, I think he wants to either A: Kill the corruption of the WG (like a lot of people stated), or B: he pulled a "Smoker" (he came to realize that you must follow your own sense of justice, not someone else's interpretation), indicating why he to a vacation (or so I was told on another site).

                                                                It could explain why he gave Spandam a Golden Den-Den, he obviously wanted EL to be destroyed, as it was Spandams and CP9's HQ, and destroying it could erase the stain that he see's them as. It could also give him enough proof to get him (Spandam) demoted, for his obvious lack of concern for his own men. Yes, most Captains and other high-ranking officials of the WG have shown the same traits, however most wouldn't sacrifice their own guys for a lost cause, which Spandam would obviously do in a heart-beat.

                                                                Initializing the CP9 project to capture Robin could be his twisted way of her paying him back, by drawing the other SH's to EL, and watch them wreak hell on the island, and eventually destroy it via BC.

                                                                Aokiji is one of the top Admirals for a reason, so any of my theories (and everyone else's) are very possible, even if he is a lazy person. A lazy person doesn't always mean their stupid, or unable to act unless properly motivated. It just means they prefer spending their time doing something relaxing, rather than stressful.

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                                                                  Wont aokiji get in trouble for all the shit that goes down. I mean everything can be blamed on him. Not taking action when confronting with SHP, giving an idiot a weapon of mass destruction.

                                                                  And most likely he is not in contact with the marines cause they still think that he summon the BC, So where the hell is he? I hope he is not sleeping under a tree or chilling with Smoker.

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                                                                    Good grief some of you people are obstinate. Aokiji didn't know W7 was next, Yoska is right. And while I do think Aokiji's got his own thing goin' on I think some of you are looking a little too deeply into things here 😛

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                                                                      I think that in many ways that Aokiji has a sort of soft spot for Robin and the crew. He decided not to kill her twenty years ago to see what she would become. He insulted her (knowing it wasn't true what he said) and she broke him in half. When the rest of the straw hats stood up to him, he became impressed and after he froze Luffy, he decided not to kill him because of their protection of Robin, despite what he said. He doesn't own Luffy for Crocodile; he could have killed Crocodile in a minute. He is waiting to see what the Mugiwara become, either out of curiosity or his own benefit. I see some Machiavellan qualities, but I don't think he is sadistic (if he was, he would have killed the straw hats on Longring). He just doesn't put up with opposition (especially if they break him in half).

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                                                                        that's what I was wondering also…... why didn't Aokiji take out the Mugiwaras while he was there?...... he could have taken them out with one hand tied behind his back..........

                                                                        Virgilijus theory I agree with. 🙂

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                                                                          Because they're not a threat.

                                                                          At least, not yet.

                                                                          Kuzan beat Luffy without even extending an effort. The only reason the Gorosei is concerned is because he beat Crocodile, which could have thrown the balance of power out of effect.

                                                                          Kuzan doesn't respect Luffy at all. But he's fought with the D's before (Saul, and most likely Roger). He knows that they all have potential to become something. Saul was mighty powerful in his own right. You naysayers that say Tom was stronger are stupid. Tom lifted up REGULAR SIZE Galleons that were made by Franky. Saul lifted up a 5000 TON BATTLESHIP. There's a HUGE difference.

                                                                          I'm sure if Whitebeard demonstrated his strength, we could see him Smash a mountain in two, practically. But then again, we don't know his fighting style, or Roger's. I'm under the impression Roger fought with a spear, based on a lot of things, including who he was named after (Woodes Rogers), his name itself (Roger, which means Famous Spear in German), and also the scar on Whitebeard's chest. If Whitebeard was the only person to come out even, then that scar wasn't caused by something stupid. It had to be caused by Roger.

                                                                          Kuzan wants to see if Luffy will become like his grandfather. And I want you to note something, too. Kuzan says to Luffy:

                                                                          "You're just like your Grandfather, Monkey D. Luffy…"

                                                                          Notice a key element. There is no WAS in that sentence. Does this mean Saul is still alive?

                                                                          Let's consider a few things:

                                                                          1. The move that he used on Saul was called "Ice TIME CAPSULE"
                                                                          2. When Robin and Luffy were frozen, they were able to be thawed out.
                                                                          3. Luffy has been impaled, blown up, Set on fire, dehydrated, and he came back from all of that. I seriously doubt a D would go down from two moves (Ice Partisan and Ice Time Capsule).

                                                                          Do you think all these people are guiding the D's along a certain path?

                                                                          Let's think about this:

                                                                          1. Shanks knows Luffy and Ace, and probably the other D's as well. His letter to Whitebeard mentioned two of the D's: Ace and Blackbeard.

                                                                          2. Whitebeard had two D's in his crew: Ace and Blackbeard. Do you think he knew that both were D's? Probably. The fact that he didn't tell Ace that Blackbeard was a D also is a mystery.

                                                                          3. Several people have alluded to "The will of the D". Robin, Kureha, Woop Slap, Kokoro, Shanks (vaguely), and Kuzan.

                                                                          4. Kuzan instantly located the Strawhats. This either means that Robin has a tracker on her, or the D's can somehow be tracked. As far as we know, no marine ships have been encountered since they left Alabasta, so intelligence on their position could be given. Kuzan either knows how a D thinks or knows their location through some sort of positioning device.

                                                                          Best guess? Kuzan wants all the D's together, and he's orchestrating it. Here's what I can garner:

                                                                          1. The Buster call fails and Enies Lobby is Destroyed. This news goes out all over the world.

                                                                          2. The entire Strawhats get an elevated bounty. This catches the eye of Whitebeard & Blackbeard.

                                                                          3. Whitebeard sends his first Division head to find the Strawhats and bring them to him. He also sends a messenger to find Ace and order him to be recalled.

                                                                          4. Luffy and crew meet up with the Blackbeard Pirates again. Mugiwara and Blackbeard fight, when the first division head crashes the party. He tells everyone that Whitebeard wants to meet with them all.

                                                                          5. Messenger finds Ace and tells him to come back. Ace refuses, but then is lied to and told that Blackbeard is already in their custody. Ace reluctantly returns.

                                                                          6. Whitebeard meets with them all, explains about the D's and their relationship. Explains that in order to find One Piece, they need Saul back.

                                                                          7. Aokiji, Kizeru, Akainu, Sengoku, and the Schichibukai appear and surround Whitebeard's fleet. Massive battle ensues.

                                                                          8. Pirates win, but Whitebeard is mortally injured. Before he dies, he tells Luffy and the other D's that the key to reaching Raftel lies with rescuing the Last D.

                                                                          9. Attack on Marijoi begins.

                                                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                            @Carly:

                                                                            Good grief some of you people are obstinate. Aokiji didn't know W7 was next, Yoska is right. And while I do think Aokiji's got his own thing goin' on I think some of you are looking a little too deeply into things here 😛

                                                                            That's true, yet he found that out when he left Longring Island. He even remarked that Water 7 was close to the marine HQ so he called Spandam and gave hin the golden Den Den Mushi.

                                                                            It is Aokiji who started a chain of events in Water 7/Enies Lobby, sure he may not know that but he did something that started the mess.

                                                                            Because of Aokiji:

                                                                            • Spandam gets the Golden Den Den Mushi
                                                                            • Spandam contect the Water 7 CP9 about Robin's arrival
                                                                            • Spandam delayed his plan to finish the mission
                                                                            • Robin disappears after hearing "CP9"
                                                                            • Robin shoots Iceburg
                                                                            • Robin quitted the crew and betray them
                                                                            • The SHP race to Enies Lobby
                                                                            • The SHP gets upgrade attacks
                                                                            • The Buster Call is summoned
                                                                            • The Buster Call arrives in Enies Lobby
                                                                            • The Buster Call destroys Enies Lobby

                                                                            Sure when Aokiji arrived in Longring, he had no idea what the SHP's next stop will be, the SHP don't even know Water 7 will be the next stop. Aokiji appears olny to meet Robin and test her. When he left Longring and checked the post, he found out where the SHP will go so he decided to take that oppertutity to test Robin farther. It was like "Oh, they'er going to Water 7! Good, I'll use that to get Robin captured. I'm glad Water 7 is there next stop, I'll have Robin captured in no time."

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                                                                              Wont aokiji get in trouble for all the shit that goes down. I mean everything can be blamed on him. Not taking action when confronting with SHP, giving an idiot a weapon of mass destruction.

                                                                              And most likely he is not in contact with the marines cause they still think that he summon the BC, So where the hell is he? I hope he is not sleeping under a tree or chilling with Smoker.

                                                                              Considering his status as Admiral and perhaps the greatest ''asset'' of the Marines, i think he'd be able to get away with doing just about what-ever he wants.

                                                                              1. The move that he used on Saul was called "Ice TIME CAPSULE"
                                                                              2. When Robin and Luffy were frozen, they were able to be thawed out.
                                                                              3. Luffy has been impaled, blown up, Set on fire, dehydrated, and he came back from all of that. I seriously doubt a D would go down from two moves (Ice Partisan and Ice Time Capsule).

                                                                              Regardless of whether its called Time Capsule or not, the chances are he is dead.
                                                                              The only reason Luffy and Robin were thawed out was because of his crew-mates.
                                                                              Being incased in Ice for a period of time, like Sauro would most likely have killed him.

                                                                              No offense but your theory of what he is doing sounds rather…far-fetched. No-one knows what the whole deal with the ''D'' thing is. I hardly doubt Whitebeard would know.

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                                                                                @Fire Fist:

                                                                                "You're just like your Grandfather, Monkey D. Luffy…"
                                                                                Does this mean Saul is still alive?

                                                                                …since when do we know who luffy's grandfather was?

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                                                                                  It's 90% Probable that it's Saul.

                                                                                  Why?

                                                                                  Saul gave Aokiji trouble a long time ago (20 years) ago.
                                                                                  Saul stated directly to Robin that the D's are related (somehow, not specifically direct family).
                                                                                  Saul was introduced in the same chapter Luffy starts using Giant based moves. Gear 3rd makes his limbs as huge as a giant.

                                                                                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                                    Gear 3rd is a devil fruit power and not inherited.

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                                                                                      That's right, but that's not what I'm talking about.

                                                                                      Gear 3rd is a technique developed from Luffy's creative use of his rubber body. But I don't think rubber alone can cause massive growth.

                                                                                      It CAN cause inflation of the limb, making it appear bigger. However, if the strength is not there, you're essentially punching someone with a giant balloon and it's pointless.

                                                                                      Bone strength and density is probably greater in giants than it is in humans. Therefore, Luffy's bones are likely of giant origin, even before he ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi.

                                                                                      Think about it:

                                                                                      Arlong bit directly through Luffy's neck, shoulder, and side. I can bite through a rubber band with relative ease. Arlong could bite through a normal person with relative ease. Hell, have you had your dog bite your bike tire? My friend's dog bit my bike tire once, and it popped with no trouble.

                                                                                      For this reason, I think Luffy's bone density is not from his "Rubberness", but rather from his giant heritage.

                                                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                                        Or it's his shonen main character heritage^^

                                                                                        What strange kind of ancestors must zoro have for being able to lose that much blood everytime he fights^^?

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                                                                                          I think Zoro has the will of the swordsmen…..... so, losing more blood, he get that rush to kill of his opponent, before he loses consciousness ... or something like that....

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                                                                                            @Yoska:

                                                                                            Ah, okey. Good to know. Sorry about that. The line I have been misreading for over two years now is probably:

                                                                                            You see… I owed your grandfather a "favor" once, years ago...

                                                                                            Ah, but look at this one, stephen's trans, chapter 321:

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                                                                                            Aokiji: It would be so easy to crush you here
                                                                                            and end your life… but I have a debt to pay.
                                                                                            Let's call the stakes even... now that you've taken care of Crocodile for me.
                                                                                            Plus...
                                                                                            No... nevermind. That's just Smoker being stupid...
                                                                                            Farewell...

                                                                                            So, which is it? Hard to tell, really. I choose to think Luffy's life is spared here because of taking care of Crocodile, since it's what he said.

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                                                                                            Ao Kiji didn't know that Water 7 was the next island until he left LRLL, with Luffy and Robin, behind:

                                                                                            Following the Log…
                                                                                            The next island should be… huh?!
                                                                                            Water Seven… the "Water Metropolis."

                                                                                            He is surprised.

                                                                                            Still giving him plenty of time to come up with any ideas regarding the Strawhats and CP9. The crew stayed an extra four days(?) at LRLL, I believe.

                                                                                            It doesn't really matter, though. It hasn't been stated in canon yet, and until Oda says something, it's all speculation.

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                                                                                              Exactly. Aokiji pulled together all the elements of an insurmountable problem: Robin deserted, taken to Enies Lobby, Buster Call within range…
                                                                                              Aokiji now has some important information.

                                                                                              1. The SHs have managed to survive Robin's membership;
                                                                                              2. Robin is willing to remain with their group;
                                                                                              3. The Straw Hats have managed to successfully invade a massive government installation, the government installation, the "front steps of the World Government," an island which has not fallen in 800 years;
                                                                                              4. The Straw Hats have shown their strength against each of the government's "three powers": the Navy, Cipher Pol, and the Shichi-Bukai;
                                                                                              5. If all goes well in the current arc, the SHs may prove themselves capable of surviving/escaping a Buster Call.

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