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    Ancient Civilization Theory(Spoilers)

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      @ChopChopCannon:

      That brings me to another question- why did the WG lie about Nico Robin 'sinking six ships' when they could have just told the truth? I don't see the point in their lying.

      Wouldn't it seem very suspicious for them to say, "Capture this girl because she escaped from an island we just blew up to kill its citizens because we feared them reading this ancient text that we desperately don't want anyone reading." That would really put the WG in a bad light. Thus, put the blame solely on her. People heard that she sunk six warships, but I doubt the WG told everyone just what the ships were doing. Thus, the lie worked.

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        There was once a kingdom called Ancient Kindom. It was a whole continent with mountains and cities that linked together.
        Their inhabittants had advanced technology. But since they were so peaceful, they get lazy and clumsy. To make up for that, they make devil fruits to give them super strenght and powers. Since they lived in mainland, they didn't care much that devil fruit user was useless in ocean.

        One day, a group of pirate attacked their kingdom. Thanks to devil fruit, they were able to defend their nations. The pirate, desperately weak against DF user, found a way to steal blueprint of Poseidon, an Ancient weapon from Ancient Kingdom so powerful that it can destroy the world.

        The Ancient Kingdom didn't know about the pirate's plan. They go on living until the day Poseidon was activated. It created a big hole in the ocean which open a gateway for seawater to flow upward and flooded the whole continent and the Ancient Kingdom itself. Every year, the hole is opened and creats a new wave called Aqua La Guna that can sink any ship. The hole is called EL later on.
        In a day the whole nation was flooded. 99% of its inhabitant died. Only those that live in the mountain survived. Weak and confused, people of once a big, united nation (ONE PIECE) was isolated, the mountains they lived in turned into islands. They were easily conquered by the pirates, who knows the sea well and good in sea battles.
        The stones where the hole was opened called sea stones. They were under water for million years, but was destroyed by Poseidon, letting the water flow through, upward. The current was so great, it changes the surface of the earth completely. For one thing, it washed all the sea creatures (sea kings) all the way to grandline, where the current can't go anyfurther. It creates Aqua La Guna on the way there, and make the magnetism messed up in grandline.
        Before falling to the hand of pirates, the Royal family of Ancient Kingdom flee away in a super boat called Pluton. They were lost but not lost hope yet. Since the EL hole was created by Poseidon, there is a way to reverse it, using the weapon again. But the weapon was destroyed by the pirates, and to make one again, they have to find informations from the poneglyphs. The blueprint of the Ancient Weapon was somewhere deep in the water, where Ancient Kingdom was. It's impossible to find the place in the middle of the sea, but the survivals from the Ancient Kingdom knows a way to pinpoint that place by connecting the islands, once was the mountains of Ancient Kingdom, to creat a map. To do so, they created the poneglyphs to point directions to the next islands (the next used-to-be-mountain) Eventually, the poneglyphs will point to the next islands and make a full circle around the world, along with grandline. To read and map them all, you need to travel along grandline. The only one who have traveled farthest into grandline was G. D. Roger
        The pirates, after conquering the islands, make themselves governments, and united all the country and islands and call it World Government. The used to be pirates are now Marines.

        The Royal survivals escaped from the pirate - now is the marines and WG. But they were not strong enough to take over the country again. They had to go into hide out and eventually changed their names. To make remembrance of the once Royal blood, they named their middle names D as in Descentdants or Defender. They forever carry with them the secret of Poseidon and WG, the Ancient Kindom that they call One Piece now.
        Years later, a descendant of them, Roger, using Pluton, the ony powerful enough ship to travel grandline, and discovered the truth. Marines eventually gets him. WG could never have able to catch him, but ROger knew he couldn't taken the WG alone, so he turned himself in inpurpose, so that he will be executed in front of the world. Just before he dies, he tell the world about ONE PIECE, thus creat a new age: Pirate Age, in the hope that they, inspired by the story, will stand up and be strong enough to fight back the WG and find out the truth.
        Knowing the power and the danger of pirates, since they once were pirates, WG tried to cover up the story in one-hand, and make a deal with the strongest pirates they can find - the Shikibukai, make them an oppresor of other pirates, and give them alot of privileges and power, turned them into hunting dogs. Full and satisfied, Shikibukai works for the WG, hold onto what they have, forget about One Piece, and kill any pirates who get in their ways.

        EDIT: I combined the ideas. ENglish is not my first language so correct me if I'm wrong

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          How long have you been working on that,it doesent sound so crazy, i wouldn´t be surprised if the WG initially was pirates 800 years ago.

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            Like I said, I combined the theories that have already been posted. 😄 But I have a gut feeling that this theory could come true.

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              I think it´s quite possible, i mean that the WG was pirates, that could be the reason why they don´t want anyone to read the poneglyphs (other than building the weapons). what if the civilians, even some of the marines, found out that they are working for descendants of pirates. I don´t think that would mean much, but they will probably lose some of the peoples trust, and raise alot of suspiscion (dont know how to spell it, lol) against the WG.

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                This is a demonstrate of Aqua La Guna and One Piece World Map.
                Please excuse my shitty drawing

                This is the side of earth where the SH entered GRANDLINE

                An other explaination:

                Now, my understand is that the waves from 4 oceans combine at 1 place and then all go down into Grandline. That was where the SH first enter Grandline (where they met the giant whale left behind by Gol D. Roger).
                The normal waves can't possibly be strong enough to push a ship up a mountain. The only explanation would be this:

                • The world map on the other side of the world:

                Enes Loby is the hole where the waves all coming from. The sea water goes upward created Aqua Laguna for the nearesr island (water7) and created the waves for 4 oceans. When all 4 waves from 4 oceans meet at the starting point of grandline, they raised the sea water on that used-to-be-continent, flood the Ancient Kingdom that was at the bottom of the mountain (might as well be on the west side - west blue - end of grandline)

                Master Yoda: "Believe in the Force"

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                  @Ronin:

                  This is a demonstrate of Aqua La Guna and One Piece World Map.
                  Please excuse my shitty drawing

                  This is the side of earth where the SH entered GRANDLINE

                  http://onepiecemap.googlegroups.com/web/WM1.gif?gda=2iHKxz0AAADO2sVTMfWYcheuQRloxCh5R2jST9UB9wabPUvu5HBT6RVJVT3hrgKrn_IySc8la3IjAjdCDyXJNtpOE197J_tl

                  An other explaination:

                  http://onepiecemap.googlegroups.com/web/WM2.gif?gda=OKRTUz0AAADO2sVTMfWYcheuQRloxCh5R2jST9UB9wabPUvu5HBT6RVJVT3hrgKrn_IySc8la3IAwBTzx-tf5Is9wQCQxb2m

                  Now, my understand is that the waves from 4 oceans combine at 1 place and then all go down into Grandline. That was where the SH first enter Grandline (where they met the giant whale left behind by Gol D. Roger).
                  The normal waves can't possibly be strong enough to push a ship up a mountain. The only explanation would be this:

                  • The world map on the other side of the world:

                  Enes Loby is the hole where the waves all coming from. The sea water goes upward created Aqua Laguna for the nearesr island (water7) and created the waves for 4 oceans. When all 4 waves from 4 oceans meet at the starting point of grandline, they raised the sea water on that used-to-be-continent, flood the Ancient Kingdom that was at the bottom of the mountain (might as well be on the west side - west blue - end of grandline)

                  http://onepiecemap.googlegroups.com/web/WM1d.gif?gda=xgRXVz4AAADO2sVTMfWYcheuQRloxCh5yo2V3Mp-xFbs-t0iGFUURRVJVT3hrgKrn_IySc8la3IWoIrYwEVNoeRTEs7E1du8

                  The theory is not bad

                  One mistake I would like to correct - (where they met the giant whale left behind by Gol D. Roger) Laboon wasn't left by Gol D. Roger but by Yoki the Captain of Lumba Kaizoku-dan (like it's stated in One Piece BLUE - Grand Characters)

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                    I'm not sure because in the giant whale story, the pirate crew were from west blue, the place they brought the baby whale from. And at the end of that saga just before Luffy and the SHs get to Cactus Island (where they met Princess Bebe), the old man said something about Gol D Roger.
                    I guess the pirates could be Roger's crew before they became famous, and that was after they have been to Raftel - the final destination.
                    I could be wrong though. But let's not talk about that since it is not our main topic

                    Do you think that since the Aqua La Guna was created by Poseidon (my theory) to sink the Ancient Kingdom, could it mean Raftel was the highest part of the Ancient Kingdom? Hell, Raftel could be under water. That's why the 4 emperors could not get to that place, since they have to wait for a whole year, just right before the next Aqua La Guna, to visit Raftel. Since it must be the only time of year that Raftel is higher than the sea level. And on that day, there is only 1 passage to Raftel that the 4 emperors have to fight each other to get through. That would make a nice ending you know? Since all the pirates + WG + marines + Shichibukai + 4 emperors would go on a major fight and the winner get to go through the passage.

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                      aah "Le Battle royale". in an silly french accent

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                        Nice mini theory. 😛

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                          I dont think the giants would noe anything. elbaf is in its own lilttle world and the lost century was was not a century ago it is a hundreds years of missing info an gap in time…Wow thinking about it is crazy. imagine history recorded and then boom no history for hundreads and then we get back on track. just crazy

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                            (I'm sorry for my english but i'm italian)
                            I wanna post some little consideration I'd like to do.
                            1)Oda never told us that the name of the island is Raftel,it would be absurd with such a complicated history so please don't call it like that!
                            2)I think there are three weapons according to three divinity:Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus.Why I'm telling that?because The poneglyph about Pluton it was in the cave of Alabasta,the poneglyph of POseidon was in the poneglyph of skypeia and we knoww it was an island…..
                            3)According to the second point I think Zeus is in the sky or on a mountain....why?because if u remember there was another method to arrive to the sky island,not only the knockup stream!and overall i don't think that skypiea was the only sky island...maybe is for this that no know could reach the last island...
                            4)When Oda showed us the island of the ancient civilization there were clouds around it....
                            5)I'm sure that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and the power of the 4 emperors is based on their large crew,when shichibukai don't have it anymore...

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                              1, 2, 3: I agree
                              4: I don't really get it, do you have the page? Use this site for reference if you like: http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/

                              5: I don't think so.

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                                1 - Wrong, Crocus told the name of the Last Island of the GrandLine to be Raftel (if I'm not mistaken)

                                2 and 3 - There is not enough information, it can be just 2 or 3 or even more Ancient weapons

                                4 - What is your point it this one ?

                                5 - Don't think so, Shanks and Mihawk where sparing rivals (probably equals until Shanks lost the left arm)

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                                  Shanks lost his LEFT arm.

                                  I've said it a dozen times, but look at this:

                                  http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume12.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2347

                                  Now look at this:

                                  http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/chapter395.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9285

                                  I mean, COME ON. The clouds are even clearing from the island, like it has just been revealed to everyone. And the picture Crocus shows it is covered in clouds. So put two and two together…

                                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                    @Fire Fist:

                                    Shanks lost his LEFT arm.

                                    I've said it a dozen times, but look at this:

                                    http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume12.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2347

                                    Now look at this:

                                    http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/chapter395.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9285

                                    I mean, COME ON. The clouds are even clearing from the island, like it has just been revealed to everyone. And the picture Crocus shows it is covered in clouds. So put two and two together…

                                    Thanks for the correction about Shanks arm (I already edited)

                                    About your theory I think it maybe right, but just it a small thing Raftel is probably only a part of the Capital city of the Ancient Kingdom that survived the War

                                    The part that appears in Clover's theory I think is just the Capital of the Ancient Kingdom but the Kingdom itself was way bigger

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                                      Oh so you mean that Raftel is probably be the Ancient Kingdom? It would be nice though 😄

                                      Ok, so correction of my theory: Raftel (or Rough Tale) or Ancient Kingdom, is flooded by Aqua La Guna, and only surface from the ocean 3 days before the next Aqua La Guna. The 4 emperors have never found it because of that reason. 😄
                                      A limited time to find the island and the entrance to it will make to story more thrilling, considering Luffy and SHs will have to fight their way through alot of enemy to get there.

                                      Talking about the 3 weapons, : Poseidon (ocean), Pluton - Hades (Hell), and the Zeus (Sky or Heaven). I have 2 theory:

                                      • Eneru/Enel 's ship : shouldn't it be a Zeus figure? Since it was made in HEAVEN by GOD Eneru, it float in the air, and it use Electricity (more like Thunder).
                                      • If there was such a weapon, the Giant in Elbaf should have it. Since Giant was born first, before Zeus.

                                      Edited: Oh, by the way, did you notice that Clover and the Whale Guy is pretty similar? Do you think they are related? (a flower head and a leafhead, funnny huh?) If they do in a way, then prob the whale guy also knows the secret of the Ancient Kingdom too.
                                      Do you think the giant whale that Roger's crew left behind is the clue to find the underwater Raftel?

                                      Edited (again): This is what I'm talking about: Raftel is likely like this one too:

                                      http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume32.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6157

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                                        Sorry to go off-topic, but Has anyone noticed the Goresei guy seems to be grieving over the fact he has to kill Clover…?!?!?

                                        http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/chapter395.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9287

                                        http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Vegethan

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                                          Unless you're a heartless monster, anyone would feel remorse about ordering a mass genocide.

                                          However, it is possible they are related. They're similar in appearance and they both have the unique hook nose.

                                          However, it's probably just remorse from having to order the death of the Oharans.

                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                            I don't think that anyone knows anything except for the top Marines and then it is probably an oral history. I also think that the ancient civilization was the ones that created the weapons since how else would their stones be able to tell of their location? I'm not sure why those weapons were unable to win the war for the ancients, perhaps because they didn't have "superhumans" and devil fruit users like the Marine's forebearers. They may have been unable to risk using them for fear that superhuman warriors would just take the weapons and turn them on their creators. Thus the ancients hid the weapons and inscribed their location along with the true history on the stones.

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                                              I'm telling you man, the Ancient Kingdom were the one that created devil fruit.
                                              They were powerful but they have a weakness: they die in the ocean. That's why the pirate (WG nowadays) used Poseidon to flood the Ancient Kingdom. That's why they lost the battle 800 years ago.
                                              I think skypiea is a part of that nation that was destroyed too.

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                                                what's to argue? it's pretty obvious that the last island would be the lost ancient civilization/kingdom… that's how its always like, its an architype

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                                                  I'm telling you man, the Ancient Kingdom were the one that created devil fruit.
                                                  They were powerful but they have a weakness: they die in the ocean. That's why the pirate (WG nowadays) used Poseidon to flood the Ancient Kingdom. That's why they lost the battle 800 years ago.
                                                  I think skypiea is a part of that nation that was destroyed too.

                                                  Er, wasn't it explained that Skypiea was sent into the sky by the same upcurrent that took the strawhats there? They were intrusted with a stone, but they clearly didn't make them.

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                                                    that's what I meant

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                                                      It's funny that everyone seems to take as a fact that "the one piece" is one roughtell. The best place to hide something important is to put it in front of everybody's eyes. The best place IMO to hide it is logue town. That's an important place to roger, 'cause it's where he decided to go on the grand line and it's also where he ended is life. It'd be so funny to see that it's actually the bartender of the gold roger's bar place that own it 🙂 dereshi dereshishishi ^^

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                                                        Skypiea wasn't send to the into the sky by the knockup stream it was already there

                                                        What was send to the into the sky by the knockup stream was a part of Jaya known was Upperyard in Skypiea

                                                        Once again I tell you that Laboon wasn't Gol D. Roger's whale it was part of the Lumba Kaizoku-dan and was left there with Crocus 50 years ago by Yoki (name found in One Piece BLUE - Grand Characters) the Captain of the Lumba Kaizoku-dan and it's stated he died in the Grandline

                                                        Regarding the theory it seems a pretty good explaining to what might have happen

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                                                          The one who said that giants should have one of the weapons because they came before gods, im assuming we are going after the greek mythology. It was the titans that came before gods, there is a differens, titans were immortal giants are not even though they can live long, and all that stuff about laboon being gol d roger´s and skypiea being sent up the knock-up stream, darkariel seems to be the only one here reading one piece, since you came up with those ideas.

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                                                            Skypiea wasn't send to the into the sky by the knockup stream it was already there

                                                            What was send to the into the sky by the knockup stream was a part of Jaya known was Upperyard in Skypiea

                                                            Once again I tell you that Laboon wasn't Gol D. Roger's whale it was part of the Lumba Kaizoku-dan and was left there with Crocus 50 years ago by Yoki (name found in One Piece BLUE - Grand Characters) the Captain of the Lumba Kaizoku-dan and it's stated he died in the Grandline

                                                            Regarding the theory it seems a pretty good explaining to what might have happen

                                                            @Darkariel: Hi Darkariel, I appreciate your information. Would you please point me to a link about Lumba Kaizoku-dan? Thanks a bunch.

                                                            The part that was sent to Skypiea was the holyland with the gold city (City of Cyandora) . And it WAS sent to the sky by the knock up stream, 400 years ago.
                                                            Volume 31 chap 292, page 13,14,15. It was actually a part of the island where SHs met Blackbeard the first time.
                                                            http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume311.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5927

                                                            @all: hey, we're just having a good time letting our imagination run wild. So anyone who doesn't like other's theory can have their own theory.
                                                            If you're kind enough, you can correct us, with reference ofcourse. But lets not ruin the fun here by criticizing other's theory shall we?

                                                            Oda never said such things as the third Ancient Weapon. But there could be others aside from Pluton and Poseidon.
                                                            Volume 32, Chap 301, page 11:

                                                            http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume32.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6085

                                                            The Giants did invite Usopp to their homeland Elbaf so why not? There's a possibility here. And the Yans86 dude stated something very interesting about the Greek mythology too.

                                                            Personally, I don't like these Ancient weapons myself. One Piece is a manga about individuals, about friendship, about each other's dream. Seeing them fighting hand to hand to achieve their dreams is great. But IF someday people have to use Ancient Weapons to settle things, it's no fun any more. I mean it will turn into a gear battle, who has the most powerful gear (weapon) will win. Where's the fun in that?

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                                                              It's funny that everyone seems to take as a fact that "the one piece" is one roughtell. The best place to hide something important is to put it in front of everybody's eyes. The best place IMO to hide it is logue town. That's an important place to roger, 'cause it's where he decided to go on the grand line and it's also where he ended is life. It'd be so funny to see that it's actually the bartender of the gold roger's bar place that own it 🙂 dereshi dereshishishi ^^

                                                              That was anime filler.

                                                              Besides, if it was at Loguetown, Roger would have never said "That Place". He would've said "This Place".

                                                              And One Piece isn't Raftel. The Ancient Civilization is Raftel. One Piece is Roger's logbook, and it could be on Raftel or it could just be somewhere in the New World. For all we know, it could be floating in a toilet somewhere…

                                                              I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                @Darkariel: Hi Darkariel, I appreciate your information. Would you please point me to a link about Lumba Kaizoku-dan? Thanks a bunch.

                                                                The part that was sent to Skypiea was the holyland with the gold city (City of Cyandora) . And it WAS sent to the sky by the knock up stream, 400 years ago.
                                                                Volume 31 chap 292, page 13,14,15. It was actually a part of the island where SHs met Blackbeard the first time.
                                                                http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume311.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5927

                                                                There's not much on the Lumba Kaizoku-dan just what Crocus said and the info in One Piece BLUE - Grand Characters, I have no links for this info sorry (don't know if anyone scanned One Piece BLUE)

                                                                That was what I was refering to the when I said part of Jaya - the City of Shandora (Gold City)

                                                                The Ancient Civilization Capital is probably Raftel, One Piece is probably not Raftel but something that Gol D. Roger had (like Luffy and the strawhat)

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                                                                  Ok, i admit i was too harsh, i apologize. But it seems that most of you guys have everything figured out, Raftel IS the capital or the ancient kingdom, ill admit, i think it´s raftel, but that kinda stuff, atleast i think is far away and not something you can theorise about at this moment since It will be atleast 500chapters more of the series, and a lot of stuff can happen, i mean some stuff are predictable but i don´t think stuff like this is, Oda is good at that kind of stuff. I´m sure you guys agree with me on that?

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                                                                    Well. Oda did plan to make this manga short. But since OP gained its publicity, he extended the story until now and probably for a long long time to come. But, as I said, since he planned to make this manga short at the beginning, he had already planted all the clues and hints for the story at the very first volumes. Such as how the grandline works, the world map of OP, Gold Roger story, hell even Garp has appeared very early with Coby and Helmeppo as training marines (see side-story one first pages).
                                                                    So I can say, hints and clues of Raftel and the Ancient Kingdom are all over the place in One Piece. He might be able to twist it (it's ODA man) but not much I may say. Because otherwise, if he goes too far on twisting it, the clues won't match any more.

                                                                    But I agree with you that ODA has more to plan. And if we 're able to figure ODA's story all out, then there's no fun any more. I hope ODA will keep up his work and constantly surprise us as he did.
                                                                    Now for our part, following Oda's bread crumbs and theorise his story is the most funning part, is it not? We do not expect it to be true since we all expect Oda to surprise us but that doesn't stop us from doing it.

                                                                    So enough about my theory. How about your theory.
                                                                    Anyone?

                                                                    Master Yoda: "Believe in the Force"

                                                                    Master Oda: "I leave it all in One Piece"

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                                                                      That's fairly true. Certain things were predictable. Others were still predictable, but we overlooked them. And then some things were just plain off-the-wall.

                                                                      Garp being Luffy's grandfather was not so outrageous. Neither was Dragon being his father. Garp as the grandfather may not have been the foremost thing in our mind, but it was perfectly reasonable.

                                                                      Stuff that was off the wall was like Kokoro being a mermaid (wtf), Kaku's devil fruit turning him into a giraffe (another wtf), Funkfreed being a sword (so-so wtf), Crocus building a tunnel inside a giant whale, Franky being a cyborg (Not so wtf, but still), and Pell surviving getting blown to bejesus and back. I seriously hope they explain that last one.

                                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                        yea i wanna know how pell survived too (sry for going off-topic) maybe he´ll put him somewhere in the future, Pell is one of my favourite characters in OP.

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                                                                          More thread necromancy but i believe this thread needs more attention and I hate the idea behind the "dumb theories thread".

                                                                          We know the ancient Kingdom was in opposition of the eventual WG. They created the ponteglyphs to leave behind information vital to their fight(the ancient weapons) and ideas/ history(Joyboy). We now have very strong evidence the the D's are a family that is the "natural enemy" of the celestial dragons. I don't think it's too much of a jump to think that the AK and the D's are tied togather. It very possible the family of D. is decent from the AK. In addition, Gol D. Rodger had the ability to "hear the voice of all things", which is also seemingly possessed by luffy when he hears the sea kings, which include the ponteglyphs. No Celestial Dragon has been shown to be able to read the ponteglyphs, which makes sense because they would probably have discovered the ancient weapons. This- to me - is further evidence that the D's and the AK are related. Perhaps the ponteglyphs were never meant to be deciphered, only read by a descendant who can hear the voice of all things.

                                                                          Now, the ponteglyphs reveal information important to the AK fight against the 20 kings. This includes the ancient weapons which can be assumed to be "used" or were planned to be "used" by the AK. We know that poseidon was a mermaid princess with the power to command/ speak to the seakings. We also know that there exists a poseidon in luffy's time, shirahoshi. I think it's important to note that shirahoshi is a good person, and a friend to luffy. There is no doubt that luffy will fight alongside shirahoshi in the future. I think that this is further proof that the AK, and the D's are synonymous. This also probably means that the Will of D. is also related to the Will of the AK.

                                                                          On the poneglyphs, besides people who are ancient weapons there is only 1 person who is mentioned on them (that we know). Joyboy(unless joyboy is uranus). This has to be important. This suggests that joyboy is part of the AK, or an ally. He made a promise to fishman island that he couldn't keep, however, one day someone will fulfill that promise for him. This has to be luffy, which again furthers the connection between the AK and the D's. This also raises the question of Joyboy's role in the AK fight vs. the 20 kings. To think that joyboy is the king of the AK is not a complete guess.

                                                                          Recently in the manga doflamingo refers to the "dragon king". I'm not 100% sure but i believe he is calling Luffy this(perhaps law but I doubt it). Why would he call luffy the Dragon King? With this connection i've established between the AK and the D's, i believe it to refer to the King of the AK. Cora-san, and Law(through Cor-san) seem to Know quite a lot about the family of D. With this in mind it's not a strech to say Doflamingo knows quite a lot about them as well. Perhaps he knows of a prophesy that states the return of a D., that will conquer the CD and WG. That would mean the CD fear this person who will cause a storm. I think this is great evidence that Luffy is indeed the Dragon king(reborn), and furthers the connection between the D's and the AK.

                                                                          So if Joyboy was the king of the AK, and the Dragon King then that would mean Joyboy was the Roger, or Luffy of his Era. I find it very interesting that Joyboy has a name that relates so closely to both Roger and luffy's personality. Additionally, Luffy has also made promises to fishman island, and we know that he'll return there again because of Shyarlys prophesy.

                                                                          So with all this being said I believe Luffy will use the ancient weapons, to fight DIRECTLY against the WG(like his father Dragon…) in the future and bring about the destruction of the WG.

                                                                          No fanfiction here, and everything is supported so i think this is necessary thread necromancy.

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                                                                            More thread necromancy but i believe this thread needs more attention and I hate the idea behind the "dumb theories thread".

                                                                            We know the ancient Kingdom was in opposition of the eventual WG. They created the ponteglyphs to leave behind information vital to their fight(the ancient weapons) and ideas/ history(Joyboy). We now have very strong evidence the the D's are a family that is the "natural enemy" of the celestial dragons. I don't think it's too much of a jump to think that the AK and the D's are tied togather. It very possible the family of D. is decent from the AK. In addition, Gol D. Rodger had the ability to "hear the voice of all things", which is also seemingly possessed by luffy when he hears the sea kings, which include the ponteglyphs. No Celestial Dragon has been shown to be able to read the ponteglyphs, which makes sense because they would probably have discovered the ancient weapons. This- to me - is further evidence that the D's and the AK are related. Perhaps the ponteglyphs were never meant to be deciphered, only read by a descendant who can hear the voice of all things.

                                                                            Now, the ponteglyphs reveal information important to the AK fight against the 20 kings. This includes the ancient weapons which can be assumed to be "used" or were planned to be "used" by the AK. We know that poseidon was a mermaid princess with the power to command/ speak to the seakings. We also know that there exists a poseidon in luffy's time, shirahoshi. I think it's important to note that shirahoshi is a good person, and a friend to luffy. There is no doubt that luffy will fight alongside shirahoshi in the future. I think that this is further proof that the AK, and the D's are synonymous. This also probably means that the Will of D. is also related to the Will of the AK.

                                                                            On the poneglyphs, besides people who are ancient weapons there is only 1 person who is mentioned on them (that we know). Joyboy(unless joyboy is uranus). This has to be important. This suggests that joyboy is part of the AK, or an ally. He made a promise to fishman island that he couldn't keep, however, one day someone will fulfill that promise for him. This has to be luffy, which again furthers the connection between the AK and the D's. This also raises the question of Joyboy's role in the AK fight vs. the 20 kings. To think that joyboy is the king of the AK is not a complete guess.

                                                                            Recently in the manga doflamingo refers to the "dragon king". I'm not 100% sure but i believe he is calling Luffy this(perhaps law but I doubt it). Why would he call luffy the Dragon King? With this connection i've established between the AK and the D's, i believe it to refer to the King of the AK. Cora-san, and Law(through Cor-san) seem to Know quite a lot about the family of D. With this in mind it's not a strech to say Doflamingo knows quite a lot about them as well. Perhaps he knows of a prophesy that states the return of a D., that will conquer the CD and WG. That would mean the CD fear this person who will cause a storm. I think this is great evidence that Luffy is indeed the Dragon king(reborn), and furthers the connection between the D's and the AK.

                                                                            So if Joyboy was the king of the AK, and the Dragon King then that would mean Joyboy was the Roger, or Luffy of his Era. I find it very interesting that Joyboy has a name that relates so closely to both Roger and luffy's personality. Additionally, Luffy has also made promises to fishman island, and we know that he'll return there again because of Shyarlys prophesy.

                                                                            So with all this being said I believe Luffy will use the ancient weapons, to fight DIRECTLY against the WG(like his father Dragon…) in the future and bring about the destruction of the WG.

                                                                            No fanfiction here, and everything is supported so i think this is necessary thread necromancy.

                                                                            Didn't Oridinary just tell you to stop it? This is from 2006.
                                                                            Just quit it.

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                                                                              More thread necromancy but i believe this thread needs more attention and I hate the idea behind the "dumb theories thread".

                                                                              Damn you, you didn't even read my explanation.

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                                                                                What is it with new members and their propensity to necro old threads? Do they purposely go back like 50 pages just to see what irrelevant crap they can bring back? It's fucking stupid.

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                                                                                  Is this theory not deserving of it's own thread? Is there a more recent thread that discusses this topic exclusively?

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                                                                                  What is it with new members and their propensity to necro old threads? Do they purposely go back like 50 pages just to see what irrelevant crap they can bring back? It's fucking stupid.

                                                                                  I just did an advanced search.

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                                                                                  Damn you, you didn't even read my explanation.

                                                                                  and no i didn't was already working on this post when you posted.

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                                                                                    You don't need to put it in it's own thread. If you want more people talking about your wonderful theories, post it here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                    Or here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                    Or maybe here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                    These aren't "dumb predictions" these are serious predictions that are neatly kept in one thread.
                                                                                    If you necro threads odds are people won't want to talk about it.

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                                                                                      You don't need to put it in it's own thread. If you want more people talking about your wonderful theories, post it here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                      Or here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                      Or maybe here: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32320
                                                                                      These aren't "dumb predictions" these are serious predictions that are neatly kept in one thread.
                                                                                      If you necro threads odds are people won't want to talk about it.

                                                                                      All 3 links take me to the same place. That thread is so haphazard, i can't believe you guys don't have a "the will of D." or "Ancient Kingdom" theories section. I want focused discussion, not a cluster**** of people talking about different things. Especially when there are many topics that are worthy of exclusive discussion.

                                                                                      Is there another popular one piece forum out there that you know of?

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                                                                                        All 3 links take me to the same place. That thread is so haphazard, i can't believe you guys don't have a "the will of D." or "Ancient Kingdom" theories section. I want focused discussion, not a cluster**** of people talking about different things. Especially when there are many topics that are worthy of exclusive discussion.

                                                                                        Is there another popular one piece forum out there that you know of?

                                                                                        Yeah, here is the

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                                                                                            What is it with new members and their propensity to necro old threads? Do they purposely go back like 50 pages just to see what irrelevant crap they can bring back? It's fucking stupid.

                                                                                            Is this topic irrelevent? For real Dude? Or is it that everybody already knows all this? If so where is the recent thread on the topic? I can't know that this is common knowledge without a specific thread, its impossible(ly annoying) to read 1000 posts to find if someone has already said this.

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                                                                                            Yeah, here is the

                                                                                            LOL. You got me. Very friendly of you, luffy would be proud.

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                                                                                              Is this topic irrelevent? For real Dude? Or is it that everybody already knows all this? If so where is the recent thread on the topic? I can't know that this is common knowledge without a specific thread, its impossible(ly annoying) to read 1000 posts to find if someone has already said this.

                                                                                              LOL. You got me. Very friendly of you, luffy would be proud.

                                                                                              For reference, one of the cornerstones of your necro post is the Dragon King Doflamingo talks about. And that's based off a shitty Mangapanda translation. So you're not giving yourself any points here for reviving an old thread because of a stupid translation. It's pretty evident that you don't want to go through the hassle of trying to do any research whatsoever, whether it's in a thread or for your own theory. No, you want every single little thing to have its own thread ready to be opened by you just because you want it, never mind that it would clog up the forums. That's why we have a single thread, so that it doesn't get clogged up, but something as trivial as neatness doesn't matter to you.

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                                                                                                For reference, one of the cornerstones of your necro post is the Dragon King Doflamingo talks about. And that's based off a shitty Mangapanda translation. So you're not giving yourself any points here for reviving an old thread because of a stupid translation. It's pretty evident that you don't want to go through the hassle of trying to do any research whatsoever, whether it's in a thread or for your own theory. No, you want every single little thing to have its own thread ready to be opened by you just because you want it, never mind that it would clog up the forums. That's why we have a single thread, so that it doesn't get clogged up, but something as trivial as neatness doesn't matter to you.

                                                                                                Good to know! I'm actually pretty knew to one piece forums and had no idea Manga Panda would do me wrong like that. With that being said, the Ancient Kingdom isn't a little thing, and you're foolish to believe that. The AK created the ponteglyphs, which is vital to the story. The relation of the D's to the AK seems well established, and would also be vital to the story. You guys are OCD nazi's. This is a topic deserving it's own thread, and i haven't clogged anything.

                                                                                                If there is a thread on this topic not named "threads that don't deserve their own topic", i'm sorry and i'd love if you'd direct me to this thread.

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