in regards to being able to challenge Mihawk? do you think he's still on the cross knife or do you think he warrants the huge sword?
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How far has Zoro come?
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hes probably still on the cross knife sadly…although Zoro really has improved a whole lot, i dont think he has the speed or swiftness to handle his big sword. maybe he could win with Azura if he uses the cross knife, but he still has a while till he makes it to the big sword.
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he may be close, he destroyed the trainer cutter guy, so assuming that guy had similar strength to cut a huge object in half like Mihawk, hoepfully he wil lbe there soon…but thats just my 2 cents:ninja:
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**I think he's still on the knife. The 3 of them didn't do so hot against AoKiji and I doubt they have improved enoughf to give the elite trouble just yet. The second half of the GL will probaley be much harder to travel, giving them a faster rate of improvment.
Also if you notice they take out the like of Arlong, Daz bones and Bon Kurei with ease now. Just like they'll be able to take on people of CP9 strengh easily when they become the elite.**
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I think after 2 major arcs he should be able to be on par with Mihawk.
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I think after 2 major arcs he should be able to be on par with Mihawk.
You are assuming Mihawk has reached his limite and can no long improve.
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If Mihawk had another sword that wasn't as strong as the Big Black Beast (as I call it) then that would be Zoro's level right about now. He still has a long ways to go I think.
But another match-up between them soon would be really nice. Just to remind Zoro how much more he needs to improve.
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I actually think Zoro has gotten far enough for Mihawk to use his big sword, but then again I don't think Mihawk would use his little knife to fight Zoro anyway because he has more respect for Zoro now and they are honorable swordsmen.
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If Mihawk had another sword that wasn't as strong as the Big Black Beast (as I call it) then that would be Zoro's level right about now. He still has a long ways to go I think.
But another match-up between them soon would be really nice. Just to remind Zoro how much more he needs to improve.
I think that even if he beats Mihawk he'd still train and try to get even stronger. And I am sure he is aware he still has a long way to go.
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Well if you consider what he's DONE (MEGA spoilers below):
-Went through hell at Arlong Park and could barely stand (due to wounds).
-Murdered hundreds at Whiskey Peak single-handedly.
-Learned to cut through steel.
-Trained topless in a frozen tundra for days, pushing himself to the limit.
-Broke the tekkai of Kaku, a powerfull swordsman in his own right.
-Achieved a 60 million belli bounty.I'd say he's gotten alot damn farther. But if you consider Mihawk was TOYING with the knife…sadly, it means he's like 35% of the way there. Be sure to save the game often, Zoro.
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Zoro warrants the black sword, but wouldn't stand a chance.
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I hope in the Zoro vs Mihawk rematch is like a suped up version of the fights in Samurai Champloo.
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I think Mihawk would need to use something bigger than his little cross knife against Zoro now. It's only been several months since they fought, I am not sure how much closer he is, but he is definitely a lot stronger and skilled now. At least Zoro should be able sense/gauge how strong Mihawk is.
At first meeting Mihawk calls him a weakling and tells Zoro that if he was strong he would be able to judge opponents strength without touching his sword. Although I am not sure weather it was translated same way in anime and manga.
When Zoro faced T-Bone, he stated "he is strong" when he looked at him just before the fight. First strike was to counter T-Bones' slice and second to take him out, and T-Bone says "he out read me". With Kaku I think Ausra upgrade is the representation of Zoro foresight and sense of the opponents strength and skill. It is like Zoro read through Kakus moves and was able to counter and strike in same time. Zoro is 2 steps ahead of him which is why Ausra looks like Zoro has 2 more sets of swords
If you think it through from the OP storyline point of view Zoro can't fight Mihawk until end of OP. If they meet now I bet Zoro would not challenge him but acknowledge that he has to still get much stronger.
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^Lol to that. Fun much, that would be. Sadly though, Zorohas shown no agility close to Mugen and Jin :(. He has speed, but isn't one for quick dodging and stuff.
And Mihawk will use his Big Black Beast
on Zoro, for nothing else than out of respect. But I have a weird feeling that Mihawk will actively search out Zoro when he thinks Zoro is ready. He is following Zoro's progress closely, and I think Mihawk just wants a challenge.EDIT: And oh yeah, if Mihawk runs into Zoro before Zoro can take him out, Mihawk WILL kill Zoro, because he would disappointed in Zoro. Forgave him once, but not twice, will he?
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a fight with SC type animation and fighting would be killer. Zoro has come pretty far. I think they'll have another fight before their final duel. It'll probably be a 3 round battle between the two with Zoro being the winner of the final
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I think Zoro has made his way to 'boot knife' at this point.
I doubt we've truly seen all that Mihawk is capable of yet. When the fight does happen, I think it will be the most memorable of the series.
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Well i think Zoro has gain a lot of selfcontrol since his fight with mi hawk eg when fighting mr 1 and on the brink of loosing/ death Instead of what he did against mi hawk he calmed himself down and started hearing the world and learnt to cut steal. So i think main thing for Zoro is to stay focused in fights eg in kaku he made a remark at him for how he looked.
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I think Zoro definitely has the muscle aspect of swordsmanship. He is strong in everyway, and in an arm wrestling match, he might beat Mihawk, but do you guys remember what Zoro said to Mihawk after seeing him deflect bullets? He said that Mihawk had the most gentle skill he's ever seen. To which Mihawk replied, "a sword that doess not have gentleness is not strong."
I think that's the aspect that Zoro needs to work on now, because it doesn't matter if he can cut steal if he can even hit the opponent right? He is fast, strong, and he can take alot of hits, but he's just not soft enough. I believe he showed his ability for this "gentle skill" in his fight with Mr. 1 when he didn't cut the palm tree but split the boulder in half. In reference to SC, Zoro needs more of Jin in him to expand his subtlety, as opposed to just overpowering his opponents. Unfortunately, this might mean the end of Zoro's demon persona, as a symbol of overwhelming power, as opposed to the softer more graceful skill that Mihawk has.
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I don't think Zoro will actually try to be more gentle, ALL of Zoro's attacks are actually a huge explosion, he whipes his sword like crazy. Remember how far he goes against weak people, and how Mihawk said he didn't need to go all out on those.
Also, as I see it, Mihawk's knife and sword has only a little difference, it is obvious that the knife couldn't work like that on any hand. Mihawk should have the skill to use the knife to the max without having a scratch on it.
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Mihawk's strength isn't what matters most, it's the mental image that Oda's been building up. Mihawk gave Zoro a goal to chase after, he's the 'final obstacle' in Zoro's quest, but everything he learns along the way will be essential…And Oda's probably just nearly half-way done with the series, although he's a bad measurer of time.
We haven't exactly seen everything Mihawk is capable of, he's only used the black sword used once or twice and those were basic slashes. I'm sure he has his own Pound Cannons and Asuras and whatevers too. If cutting Krieg's ships were his weaker attacks, his best ones could level whole cities.
Although, if Mihawk does become of the final villians in the story, would it be too extreme to assume Shanks might become an antagonist? Buhr! Confusingness.
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@Rai:
I don't think Zoro will actually try to be more gentle, ALL of Zoro's attacks are actually a huge explosion, he whipes his sword like crazy.
I think we're forgetting the Mr. 1 fight and the Sea Train. Iaido is an art that doesn't involve huge explosions or crazy swipes.
Remember how far he goes against weak people, and how Mihawk said he didn't need to go all out on those.
Everytime he goes all out against weak people, it usually appears to have some form of a time limit or something of the sort, or grabbing a coat. Except maybe Whiskey Peak.
Also, as I see it, Mihawk's knife and sword has only a little difference, it is obvious that the knife couldn't work like that on any hand. Mihawk should have the skill to use the knife to the max without having a scratch on it.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Clearly Mihawk wasn't going at his max with the knife, nevermind the sword, where he easily defeated the Ougi.
As for what I have to say about the topic in general, he's still on the knife.
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@yokaiforte:
Iaido is an art that doesn't involve huge explosions or crazy swipes.
Yes, but Zoro's sheathing attacks are not Iaido.
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Yes, but Zoro's sheathing attacks are not Iaido.
Iai stems from Iaido, I believe.
If it's not, then his Iai sure seems to follow the same path of Iaido, Fast sword draw, (possible) fast removal of blood, and resheathing all in one fluid motion.
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@yokaiforte:
I think we're forgetting the Mr. 1 fight and the Sea Train. Iaido is an art that doesn't involve huge explosions or crazy swipes.
Everytime he goes all out against weak people, it usually appears to have some form of a time limit or something of the sort, or grabbing a coat. Except maybe Whiskey Peak.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Clearly Mihawk wasn't going at his max with the knife, nevermind the sword, where he easily defeated the Ougi.
As for what I have to say about the topic in general, he's still on the knife.
Err.. By huge explosions I mean releasing all his might, or somthing like that.
Actually when you mentioned it, except Whiskey Peak he really didn't do that much.. Eh, never mind.
And I mean that.. The difference between the sword and that knife isn't big, so I can't really answer the topic's question.
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And I mean that.. The difference between the sword and that knife isn't big, so I can't really answer the topic's question.
I think there is a difference, if Mihawk restrains himself by using a smaller knife and only allowing those who impress him in strength or in conviction, I think there is a difference, otherwise he'd probably carry around the knife which takes up less space.
Is my english that bad? =C
Nah, it's just that your ideas are kinda hard to word I guess.
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Mihawk won't give Zoro a second chance to get stronger then him. The next fight is final.
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everyone here has very interesting ideas but i have to disagree to some
i think an arm wrestling fight with zoro vs mihawk would "transform" zoro's hand like that housekeeper dude's hand from scarie movie 2 or in other words his hand would be crushed
zoro's swords are gentle and there are examples like his fight in arlong park against the octapus,when he cut mr5's sniff in half in whiskey peak and even against kaku when kaku was using 4 swords style,
i think zoro's gentleness has to become better but that doesn't mean he will be like kenshi's in samurai x (or rurouni kenshin) cuz one piece hasn't got that well designed battles,although the cp9 battles were much more spectacular and detailed from all the battles before them
and from what i've seen so far zoro has steel cutting and non steel cutting techniques that was shown in his fight with kaku,he managed to attack him directly several times without scratching him,
he can use long range attacks that "cut" the air with weird pozitioning (i think it's potitioning but i am not sure)and he concertrates before his attack,
his speed isn't near soru untill now and he did his first technique that "took help" from his spirit (asura),
kaku said zoro's spirit made the vision of asura and then he admitted that zoro's spirit is very strong to project an image like that
on the other hand mihawk cut krieg's giant ship with a single unseen swing of his sword no weird potitiong or a particular technique been used,
he deflected the bullets with his sword and his hand was so quick that did all that moving
while the bullets were shot from a 3 or 4 metres distance,his movement near to zoro from his boat was like soru but there was no ground between them and propably mihawk will be able to cut steel as he cuts butter or wood and his spirit will be huge,
in a one piece game mihawk has an aura so i guess that symbolizes his spirit and he can cut through elements and propably sea stone
so i think zoro is still on the little knife part but mihawk will have to use some of his speed and power to defeat zoro this time with the knife cuz zoro has improved like hell
that is my opinion and i can't wait to hear green hair's opinion,come on dude it's a zoro post,your specialty,why haven't you replied?
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I bet that somewhere along the way before Mihawk Zoro will get a chance to fight Shanks. But I think it will be more of a sparring match with no clear winner and will let Zoro get a better picture of how much farther he needs(or doesnt need) to go before facing Mihawk. I mean Shanks and Mihawk used to be sparring partners after all.
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All I have heard before shanks lost his arm, he and mihawk were rivals in swordmen ship, and they say they were even, and now that Shanks in no longer fighting, Mihawk is the strongest. and second of all, we still don't know what the devil fruit power Mihawk has. And I bet the most of his streinght conmes from the fruit. It might be that its a falcon… No it can't, the falcon fruit user was in Alabasta. So that leads to new question, what onm earth IS Mihawks fruit power, and how well does he use it.
Oh and I personaly think he is above the knife's level. Because Mihawk DID use it on Zoro, so I doubt he uses the knife again. And if he did, it probably be broken, or just hit out of Mihawks hand.
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All I have heard before shanks lost his arm, he and mihawk were rivals in swordmen ship, and they say they were even, and now that Shanks in no longer fighting, Mihawk is the strongest. and second of all, we still don't know what the devil fruit power Mihawk has. And I bet the most of his streinght conmes from the fruit. It might be that its a falcon… No it can't, the falcon fruit user was in Alabasta. So that leads to new question, what onm earth IS Mihawks fruit power, and how well does he use it.
Oh and I personaly think he is above the knife's level. Because Mihawk DID use it on Zoro, so I doubt he uses the knife again. And if he did, it probably be broken, or just hit out of Mihawks hand.
I think its 100%clear that Mihawk doesnt have any Dfpower because that would destroy Zoros "Dream" to beat Mihawk to be the best Swordsman in the World. If he would haveany Dfpower then he is no real Swordsman and only a crappy Boy like Mr.1
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All I have heard before shanks lost his arm, he and mihawk were rivals in swordmen ship, and they say they were even, and now that Shanks in no longer fighting, Mihawk is the strongest. and second of all, we still don't know what the devil fruit power Mihawk has. And I bet the most of his streinght conmes from the fruit. It might be that its a falcon… No it can't, the falcon fruit user was in Alabasta. So that leads to new question, what onm earth IS Mihawks fruit power, and how well does he use it.
Oh and I personaly think he is above the knife's level. Because Mihawk DID use it on Zoro, so I doubt he uses the knife again. And if he did, it probably be broken, or just hit out of Mihawks hand.
funnily enough, i've always maintained that shanks and mihawk were even, just one wanted to be known as the best swordsman in the world while the other wanted to be pirate king, though when shanks lost his arm, the scales were tipped but i wonder in who's favour? that's way too Machiavelian for One Piece isn't it?
I think its 100%clear that Mihawk doesnt have any Dfpower because that would destroy Zoros "Dream" to beat Mihawk to be the best Swordsman in the World. If he would haveany Dfpower then he is no real Swordsman and only a crappy Boy like Mr.1
You assume he would use it in the same way that Mr. 1 did. he could merely have the hawk hawk fruit or something like that, it in no way takes away from the fact that he's a very skillful and very powerful swordsman.
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@yokaiforte:
I think there is a difference, if Mihawk restrains himself by using a smaller knife and only allowing those who impress him in strength or in conviction, I think there is a difference, otherwise he'd probably carry around the knife which takes up less space.
Nah, it's just that your ideas are kinda hard to word I guess.So if its like that, how about Zoro fighting evenly with Mihawk using a doorkey? Well, I guess he was back then on the first fight.
People mentioned here when Zoro will fight him.. My opinion is that every arc will be for every dream, or maybe two dreams per arc. Anyway, Zoro's will be the first if that's the case. [Hearing the crew saying "Man.. Zoro's already done.. I wanna achieve my dream too.." will be somwhat funny.]
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i don't think shanks and mihawk were equal in strenght,the fact that they might used to spar or were rivals doesn't prove something,zoro and kuina were rivals but zoro lost to kuina 2001 times cuz they didn't have the same experience but zoro now (19) would have defeated kuina easily and even buggy might have been shanks rival in the past when they were still children
i don't think zoro's ultimate goal is the strongest only cuz shanks lost his arm, this is a shounen manga not the justice league,the idea of zoro sparing with shanks is amazing,i would like to see zoro fighting with one sword only and win against shanks!!! (in the future ofcourse not now)
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You assume he would use it in the same way that Mr. 1 did. he could merely have the hawk hawk fruit or something like that, it in no way takes away from the fact that he's a very skillful and very powerful swordsman.
But a DF would make Mihawk better (for example .. if he has Supereyes he could see Zoros strikes better then a normal Human like Zoro and that would be unfair)
Topic: I think Zoro will beat Mihawk at the end of OP maybe in the same Arc Luffe will be Pirateking because these 2 Dreams are the hardes to get( i think Mihawk is now the second strongest Guy in Op with Withbeard.. but at the same time i dont think that Luffy and co will fight Redhair and we will never see his strengh)
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But a DF would make Mihawk better (for example .. if he has Supereyes he could see Zoros strikes better then a normal Human like Zoro and that would be unfair)
by that logic, mr. 1 and kaku should ask for rematches because it's unfair that thy were impaired by devil fruit powers.
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Why impaired? Mr.1 was strong only of his Dfpower… Zoro said (in anime ... i didnt read the manga at that arc) that he (Mr.1) cant understand Zoros feeling to beat him (so to cut steel) because he only has his power because of his Fruit ..
Zoro wants to be the best Swordman and if any Swordsman beat him because of a Dfpower his opponent was not a real Swordsman like him....
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Zoro wants to be the best Swordman and if any Swordsman beat him because of a Dfpower his opponent was not a real Swordsman like him….
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But I agree Mihawk has no DF.
But if you take the Parapatie Arc, and read the palce where Greek has just left the BArabatie to getting his men some food. Gin tells that all their 50(?) ships with only one stirke, and later once Mihawk cuts trough the ship some there starts saying how great he is, and when they start almost crying how great he is, Greek shouts out that he is so strong cause he has eaten DF. And that the DF users almost swarm in GL. If you take the mangas and read, you will come to that.
THOUGH that might be only Greeks own imagination
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But if you take the Parapatie Arc, and read the palce where Greek has just left the BArabatie to getting his men some food. Gin tells that all their 50(?) ships with only one stirke, and later once Mihawk cuts trough the ship some there starts saying how great he is, and when they start almost crying how great he is, Greek shouts out that he is so strong cause he has eaten DF. And that the DF users almost swarm in GL. If you take the mangas and read, you will come to that.
THOUGH that might be only Greeks own imagination
Krieg had no proof. He just assumed Mihawk had a Df because he couldn't believe such power.
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Well his face does look much like a hawk's. But I can't say that that is a real proof. For some other characters in OP do have strange face's of either animals, or even flowers.
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I still feel that Kreigs destruction was at the behest of the WG.
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@Rai:
So if its like that, how about Zoro fighting evenly with Mihawk using a doorkey? Well, I guess he was back then on the first fight.
blades differ in how finely they're made. As Mihawk's black sword is the strongest blade in the world, I think that there is quite a big difference as to how strong he can be.
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I still feel that Kreigs destruction was at the behest of the WG.
I doubt Mihawk would do what the WG says, if that is what you are saying.
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I don't think the Black Blade is litteraly the strongest is the world. I think it goes with the thinking that "A weapon is only as strong as its weilder" @King:
I doubt Mihawk would do what the WG says, if that is what you are saying.
It could have had been because it would be fun. He doesn't usually listen to the WG, but it was fun so why not?
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In any case, though, The black blade is a better made blade than a mere knife. Also, I doubt that Mihawk can pull off cutting ships with a mere knife.
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I think that because he did it "for fun" that he did it because he felt like it. I don't think Mihawk would do anything the WG asked him.
And why would the WG wanna get rid of Kreig? He is a puny threat compared to other things
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@yokaiforte:
In any case, though, The black blade is a better made blade than a mere knife. Also, I doubt that Mihawk can pull off cutting ships with a mere knife.
**True, dat. True, dat.
I'm sure Mihawk can cut a ship with that knife. He can do an air cutter anf kabaam.**
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I doubt Mihawk would do what the WG says, if that is what you are saying.
the shichibuiki are dogs of the world government, as part of the deal that makes them shichibuiki they have to do certain jobs when requested.
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the shichibuiki are dogs of the world government, as part of the deal that makes them shichibuiki they have to do certain jobs when requested.
not quite true since croc before he was caught was using the WG and possibly don flamingo is doing the same,they either don't have dreams to chase or are tired of the marines and the whole running away idea or they use the WG,also many schichibukai didn't show up in the meeting,they exist for intimidating reasons and they stop being a threat as pirates at the same time but i don't consider them dogs and especially mihawk after what he said to zoro
