I've been reading in different threads that there's a concern over a limited number of Logia types. IMHO, this doesn't have to be so. BTW, if this topic is already done or you guys don't think it's a good idea go ahead and close it. 
Anyhow, the mythological Zoan thread had me thinking about Logias. The Logias we've seen so far are: fire, ice, sand, smoke, electricity. Here's other possible elements, elemental mediums and other Logia-type, non-Paramecia Devil Fruit ideas that could work and make sure that Logias will stay as varied and interesting as the other Devil Fruits:
Fog
Lava
Uranium(fission)
Hydrogen(fusion)
Wind
Gravity(magnetism)
Mercury
Gelatin
Noise(echo)
Mud
Acid
Gold
PFC(coolant)
Plastic
Ash
Salt
Light
Crystal
Oil
Methane
Sulfur
I realize that some of these are old ideas, but I threw in a few that might not have been used. Let's brain storm on this! The Logias can't be that far and few between! There has to be more! BTW, they don't necessarily have to be classical elements. They can be chemical elements in any material phase!
Concerning Logias
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I've been reading in different threads that there's a concern over a limited number of Logia types. IMHO, this doesn't have to be so. BTW, if this topic is already done or you guys don't think it's a good idea go ahead and close it.
Anyhow, the mythological Zoan thread had me thinking about Logias. The Logias we've seen so far are: fire, ice, sand, smoke, electricity. Here's other possible elements, elemental mediums and other Logia-type, non-Paramecia Devil Fruit ideas that could work and make sure that Logias will stay as varied and interesting as the other Devil Fruits:
Fog
Lava
Magnetism
Uranium(fission)
Hydrogen(fusion)
Wind
Gravity
Mercury
Gelatin
Noise(echo)
Mud
Acid
Gold
PFC
Plastic
Ash
Salt
Light
Crystal
I realize that some of these are old ideas, but I threw in a few that might not have been used. Let's brain storm on this! The Logias can't be that far and few between! There has to be more! BTW, they don't necessarily have to be classical elements. They can be chemical elements in any material phase!DUDE, GRAVITY WOULD RULE! Although the more practical application I thought of would still be a paramecia, but I suppose that if someone with gravity powers shows up we'll debate him as Logia or Paramecia.
A light user, eh? Sounds like a lot of speed and not a lot of punch (though I suppose they could have "blinding" powers - dodges tomatoes).
Mercury, one of two metals liquid at room temperature (one of those only things I paid attention to in science class) doesn't seem like a likely candidate BUT I do think it's possible we'll see someone who can liquifyt themselves or other things - a "melt melt" fruit.
Acid sounds incredibly badass. Would suck for Luffy to go up against that person. Well. . . for anyone, I suppose. Would human flesh or rubber stand up better to acid?
Wind Wind is bound to happen at some point.
What is PFC?
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Hey Dixxy! Yeah, some of these could be Paramecias. IMO, they should be Logias. It would be much more interesting! XD
Thanks for your response! Do you have any Logia ideas that you would like to share? Don't be shy!:)
BTW, PFC is a hydrocarbon that usually is used a coolant that's used in refrigerators, fire extinguishers, and sometimes used in medicine. Not too much like ice, those it is capable of freezing. It's also used as artificial blood and for liquid breathing. Here's the article:
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I find things like PFC, plastic, and the other chemicals to be rather unlikely; however I like the looks of the others. A sound logia would certainly be interesting, as would a gravity (although I think this might make a better paramecia). I'd really like to see ash, and my theory is that Dragon had the wind logia. As that would explain the gust and his sudden appearance and disapearance.
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Personally, I would love for Oda to extend the Logias into chemicals! Then he wouldn't run out of elements for a long time! At best, some of them could end up as Paramecias. But how can we know with Oda? :D He's a smart and clever man, so it could be possible. You never know!
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OMG I would love a Crystal Crystal fruit personally. So much potential. My only worry would that it might be too much like Aokiji. Maybe a rival perhaps?
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While it would give him a lot of choices, it just seems a little bit unOne Pieceish. Plus, I don't think we're going to be seeing a large amount of logia users. We've gone through 400 chapters and seen only 5 logia, and they're always viewed as the strongest devil fruit type. So I can't see their being anymore than an additional four to eight logia in the future.
EDIT: At CP9 Agent: How's that? Crystal and ice are two very different things. I may be crystalline, but it has a very different structure from crystal. I don't think Aokiji would have to much trouble with a crystal devil fruit user.
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Point taken Mr. All Sunday. :) I'm just being a dreamer! I surely hope that Oda doesn't limit himself with the Logias. There's so many possiblities!
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Plastic's an element? XD
By the way, sand's a logia because it has the property of aridity (dryness). A logia must have a material and a specific property for power. So it's actually a limited class. Otherwise, we could have a soy sauce logia or a poop logia or a charcoal logia, etc.
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Dunno if anyone has written this, but;
Smoker uses Fog and Dragon uses Wind. So you can remove those from your list ;)
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Actually Weppa, not to sound like a butthole, but we don't know for sure that Dragon has a Logia or any Devil Fruit for sure. Much less do we know that he has a Wind Wind Fruit. That would be awesome, but that hasn't been confirmed.
As for Smoker, he uses the Smoke Smoke Fruit. Smoke and fog are similar yet there are differences. Here's the articles about them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke
They're a lot alike, both being cloud based. Smoke is an aerosol that comes from burning. Fog is simply a regular cloud that is in contact with the ground. However, Smoker could use his fruit to make a fog-like effect!
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Plastic's an element? XD
By the way, sand's a logia because it has the property of aridity (dryness). A logia must have a material and a specific property for power. So it's actually a limited class. Otherwise, we could have a soy sauce logia or a poop logia or a charcoal logia, etc.
That's right! Damn, plastic should be Paramecia! Thanks for pointing that out. But I like your ideas! Charcoal, soy sauce and shit would be fun and weird Devil Fruit powers! XD
But yeah, plastic isn't exactly an element.
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No problem igetownd! :) I made this thread for fun speculation on potential Logias. And sharing ideas is what we will do! I knew my list would be far from perfect. And I would just hate to see the Logia fruits be limited to a few classical elements. What do you think? Hell, what other ideas do you guys have? I want to hear them all!
BTW, I now demand a Kuso Kuso no Mi! It will be gross, funny and cool! It would be even better if Robin and Nami had to fight someone with shit powers! >:) -
O NOZ! Nami and Robin fighting shit would be freakin' hilarious!
Robin: I'll set up the pipeline. Nami, you manage the flushing. Franky, build the potty. Ussop, you get him in there.
Nami: Roger Sempai!
Franky: Aight Babe!
Ussop: SAY WHAT!!!
Ussop runs away, but Sogeking takes his place and shoots a flame star at the shit fiend. The monster stumbles back a few paces, perfectly into Nami's conjured storm, which blows him into Franky's turbine-powered vacuum TurboPotty
. The potty then automatically flushes the shitty monster into Robin's piping network, which coincidentally is a straight line into the sea. -
I hope he doesn't do a poop related Devil Fruit. . . that would be so gross. . . shudders
I'd like to see Glass Glass fruit myself - would shatter easily, but that would be really sharp and see-through so it could be kind of cool. . .
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Well I had an idea for an orbit-orbit fruit, where you could make things spin around you really fast and then fire them at people….but that's more of a paramecium. All this talk of gravity fruits reminded me of it.
As for a logia, there could be a Clay-logia. He could harden and deharden himself, giving him the best of both worlds; structural stength PLUS easily molded body.
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Well I had an idea for an orbit-orbit fruit, where you could make things spin around you really fast and then fire them at people….but that's more of a paramecium. All this talk of gravity fruits reminded me of it.
As for a logia, there could be a Clay-logia. He could harden and deharden himself, giving him the best of both worlds; structural stength PLUS easily molded body.
I had a similar idea - spin spin fruit. That just sounds like a very fun and very dizzy DF. But Orbit Orbit also sounds really cool.
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Whoa. Create your own DF thread version 2? Is this the right topic for general DF discussion?
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no, let's keep it to logias. Sorry I mentioned my paramecium idea.
Uhm…..how's about a, ur, paper logia?
Wait, that actually isn't half bad.
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Manipulation of paper has always been my favorite ability, but would a paper logia allow you to turn into a solid sheet or multiple?
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I'd say a single sheet, but you could PRODUCE way more than tha
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That would make sense. So the true definition of logia is…
-capable of turning into ______
-can produce ______
-can control said produced _____But if you had a paper logia, I wonder what it's weakness would be. Which brings me to another question. What the blazes could Smoker's weakness be?
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I really hope Oda does a glass logia. It would make for an excellent fight against Luffy, with all the pointiness and such. Also paper would be cool.
Now, a run down of Cable's idea's
Fog: I don't know, a bit too much like moku moku if you ask me.
Lava: I like it! I'm not sure how Oda would handle melting flesh caused by it.
Magnetism: I believe it would go under paramecium, but a good devil fruit none-the-less.
Uranium: Eh, I don't like radioactivity in One Piece. But that's just me.
Hydrogen: Since they'd be so light, wouldn't they float away?
Wind: Methinks Dragon has this fruit.
Gravity: Another one I think would be paramecia.
Mercury: Hmm…maybe. Would he give his opponents poisoning?
Gelatin: Definetly! Love it! A chocolate fruit would be cool too! (And delicious!)
Noise: Another paramecium in my book.
Mud: Pretty good. Maybe they'd be on a swamp island?
Acid: Man, this fruit would be brutal. Definetly a shichibukai-level fruit. And a good idea!
Gold: I think this one would be more like Mr. 1's fruit than a logia.
PFC: Sorry, but I'll pass. Just not very One Piece-y.
Plastic: Same as the above.
Ash: Another good idea! Would be very poofy.
Salt: Perhaps. Could be either paramecia or logia.
Light: I think this would make One Piece a little to DBZ-ish. How do you beat light anyway?
Crystal: Cool. Would be kinda like Ice, but without the cold. Not bad.
–Other ideas
Crap: Ew. But I still like it for some sick reason.
Soy Sauce: Heck, this, gelatin, and chocolate could make a sub section of food fruits.
Clay: Not bad. Similar to mud and sand though."I know I shouldn't cry over spilt tea, but…sniff...it's just so sad!" -Iroh
"Hold on guys, I think I'm a moron." -me
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Wait, but Crocodile can not only produce, control and turn into sand, but he can also cause erosion and lack of moisture.
Oh, yeah. Germ logia would be very interesting I think. Hehe, god of pestilence.
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A plague plague fruit! That would be great! Definetly another shichibukai fruit. Plagues wipe out entire nations!
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Wait, but Crocodile can not only produce, control and turn into sand, but he can also cause erosion and lack of moisture.
That's true, but the Gomu Gomu fruit doesn't give the eater the ability to increase their blood pressure and causing them to pump blood faster. I think that comes from training.
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Ooh! Ooh! I'm a fanfic loony, and in one of my fanfics I came up with a Plauge Plauge Fruit villian! He was made of a special DF virus! In my fanfic they beat him when Chopper invented a vaccine and administered it to luffy, so luffy's blood and sweat acted to the plauge dude like water to crocodile.
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@Mr.:
That's true, but the Gomu Gomu fruit doesn't give the eater the ability to increase their blood pressure and causing them to pump blood faster. I think that comes from training.
I think Luffy just came up with the idea of using Gear 2 in battle on the spot, because he has a great natural understanding about stress and pressure, and his superflexible body allows him to do it without a lifetime of training.
Anyway, Croc dries, Ener electrocutes, Ace burns, Ao Kiji freezes, and Smoker smothers. Kaze kaze should blow things away, and training will allow them to cut as well. Lava could melt I guess. Glue/sap sticks. Germs cause disease. Most metals are magnetic. Dense matter weigh more and have a stronger gravitational field. I think logias control some aspect of nature.
Edit: I think magnetism, gravity, and radiation should be paramecia.
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That's true, but I beleive Luffy came up with Gear 2 beforehand (as in sometime post Aokiji). Because he mentioned having something he wanted to test out in Enies Lobby.
EDIT: Oh, and I suppose paper could…fold?
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I'm glad you guys like this topic! :) It was bugging me that in other threads Logias were viewed as a dead end. There can be as much variety with Logias as with Paramecias and Zoans!
BTW, I must defend my idea of Uranium and Hydrogen being Logias. I'm viewing them in the context of nuclear fission (uranium) and nuclear fusion (hydrogen). Nuclear power is one of the fundamental interactions in nature. Those four interactions would be: gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force.
Sorry for getting all scientific, but I insist that nuclear power should be a Logia! And why not? It doesn't mean One Piece has to become a sci-fi manga. It also wouldn't hurt to adding chemical element Logias along with classical element Logias. Let's have fun with Logias!
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You know if Oda ever runs out of devil fruit ideas, he could always ask the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure guy, Araki. That guy never runs out of ideas for new powers.
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I'm glad you guys like this topic! :) It was bugging me that in other threads Logias were viewed as a dead end. There can be as much variety with Logias as with Paramecias and Zoans!
BTW, I must defend my idea of Uranium and Hydrogen being Logias. I'm viewing them in the context of nuclear fission (uranium) and nuclear fusion (hydrogen). Nuclear power is one of the fundamental interactions in nature. Those four interactions would be: gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force.
Sorry for getting all scientific, but I insist that nuclear power should be a Logia! And why not? It doesn't mean One Piece has to become a sci-fi manga. It also wouldn't hurt to adding chemical element Logias along with classical element Logias. Let's have fun with Logias!
Before I forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interactionThe one problem with nuclear Logia fruits would be that they would be WAY TOO POWERFUL. We know what nuclear fusion can do to a city and it is not pretty. Even Luffy and the rest of the SHs would have trouble dealing with something THAT POWERFUL. We're talking about something WAY stronger than a Buster Call, here.
In closure: I admire your imagination and willingness to think outside of the box on logia fruits, but something like that is just too much raw power.
Oh, what about Oil? I can see a Oil Oil user turning themselves into oil and Luffy sliding all over the place.
Zoro: I can't get my footing! This is impossible!
Sanji: I can't fight like this!
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My take on some of the ideas.
Acid: Brutal and extremely deadly, I sure hope to see this.
Ash: What would it's special properties be? Being really dusty?
Crystal: Seems too solid to be a logia in my opinion.
Fog: Way too similar too Smoker…
Gelatin: Reminds me of the movie 4 villain, I liked his power.
Gold: Not sure about this one…
Gravity: Haven't we already seen a gravity-based power (miss Valentine)?
Hydrogen: I don't think so.
Lava: Brutal and extremely deadly, altough a bit similar to Ace's fire.
Light: I'd love to see a light paramecia, but logia…no way.
Magnetism: Just not logia-material, but a Magneto-type paramecia could rock.
Mercury: Liquid metal, I see a T2 ripoff in progress.
Mud: As Clayman is my favorite Batman villain, I approve of this power.
Noise: I could see a sound-based paramecia, but no logia.
Oil: A bit too flammable in my opinion.
PFC: A "Peroxide Forming Chemicals" logia? I think not.
Plastic: Reminds me a bit too much about rubber.
Salt: Too similar to sand in my opinion, I prefer greater variation.
Shit: I like it for some reason… "My stench shall haunt you forever!"
Soy Sauce: While I could definitely go with something edible, soy isn't it.
Uranium:: Not a chance.
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Well, Ice is pretty solid too, yet it's still a Logia. So Crystal is plausible. And I believe Ms. Valentine changed her weight, so that doesn't really count. I still can't see gravity being a logia. What would the non-human form look like?
Oil, that's a good idea! realizes that Nami/Robin wrestling fanfics would surely occur on second thought…
You know, I really hope Oda does do a "silly" logia at some point. All the logias up to now have been badass. We need someone like Buggy or Foxy with a logia. Maybe Oda could look to here for inspiration?crosses fingers
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@Mr.:
Manipulation of paper has always been my favorite ability, but would a paper logia allow you to turn into a solid sheet or multiple?
Oda would have trouble with that, since another character from another series also uses Paper as a weapon…
Yomiko Readman from "Read or Die:"
That's going to be hard for Oda to do without looking like he copied it from there.
As far as I know, she is one of 5 people in anime who has paper-manipulating powers… but I may be wrong... (the other 4 are from the Read or Die TV series)
Regarding future Logias in One Piece, you can bet on the fact that Oda will make it work and make it work well for the character in question.... Though I would like to see a Metal logia, but that would be too Magneto-ish...
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The reason I said Aokiji's Ice fruit would be similar to a Crystal fruit is that in a way the fighting style would be similar. I would say it would be tougher then Ice but I kinda put that in there because I thought I would get a veritable onslaught of OMG thats the same almost as Aokiji. Honestly, if they made a Crystal Crystal fruit Oda would become the best writer ever. Ive always wanted to see an anime character with crystal manipulation powers.
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Hrmmm…. I hate to be the pessimist of the group, but, as much as I like some of these ideas, I find it extremely hard to think of a two-syllable "catch phrase" for the fruits to go by =\ I mean, it seems some of the people here are forgetting another requirement of devil fruits: the repeated two-syllable name. Sure, a bunch of your ideas can easily fit into this, but I'm thinking that most of them can't (The paper fruit, kami-kami no mi, can double as the "God God" fruit =D (Kami means both paper and God in Japanese))…
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Yeah, but they use different kanji. So it would sound the same, but be written differently. Besides, in english it would translate as paper paper.
I wonder what the other translations would come out as? pulls out handy Webster's Japanese/English dictionary
Wind: Kaze Kaze (of course!)
Crystal: Kessho Kessho or Suisho Suisho
Acid: San San
Ash: Hai HaiEh, I'm too lazy to look for others right now. And Oda uses sounds a lot too (I don't think Moku Moku translates directly to Smoke Smoke) so he could pull anything!
Heh, god god fruit…now there's a fruit that would wreck One Piece.
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My Logia idea was something like this:
First you have simple elements like
Fire
Water
Air
Earth
Metal?
Then if you mix some of those(I dont know if this is right , but I will give it a shot any way) like air and fire you would get something along the lines of smoke. And I know sand is made out of most of the simple elements I listed above. My point is this the compound elements(logia) are made up from 2 or more simple elements. Also on the matter that could mean a diifirent variety of logias on what other elements you mix it into with. -
Yes yes, I know they have different kanji (I'm Japanese, duh =P)…. But as far as my knowledge goes, Oda writes all of the DF names in katakana. I'm not 100% sure, but I recall Kalipha's "awa awa no mi" was written アワアワの実 instead of the kanji: 泡泡の実. So yeah, your point is moot :-) And, btw, if you want to go that far into the analysis of the difference between paper and God in Japanese, they're pronounced differently too =P The intonation on paper goes up, whereas it goes down in God.
And yes, you're right. Moku moku doesn't mean smoke... It's an "onomatapeia" of a sense to express cloudy things. I s'ppose you can say that's one reason there wouldn't be a cloud or fog fruit, since "moku moku" does sorta cover that too (Although those two would have perfect names: kumo kumo no mi (can double as the spider fruit =D) and kiri kiri no mi). Another example of this would be Ace's "mera mera no mi".... Mera mera is another onomatopeia, but for fire.
So yeah, y'all have to remember, the DF names are comprised of a two-syllable phrase repeated twice... This would mean that there are at max 5041 possible names for a fruit (there are 71 letters in the extended Japanese alphabet) =P Keep in mind that probably 90% of these would form senseless words, so you're looking at about 500 possible DFs… Of course, most of these would be pretty retarded ideas (the bread bread fruit! The plate fruit! The baka baka no mi =D), so we're probably looking at about 100~200 decent possible fruits =P Among those, there's probably like, 50 half-decent logia possibilities (Btw, no, I'm not going to go through all 5041 possiblilities to find the possible Logia fruits =P)...
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I think a Metal type Logia would be very possible. Anyone recall the T-1000? From Terminator 2- the guy made of Liquid metal. He can change forms, reform if shattered and create various stabbing weapons. Someone Zoro could fight perhaps. All seems very logia like to me.
I really do think Dragon has the wind fruit. How else can you explain what happenned in Louge town?
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Same way you explain Nami controling weather without a DF..
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And, btw, if you want to go that far into the analysis of the difference between paper and God in Japanese, they're pronounced differently too =P The intonation on paper goes up, whereas it goes down in God.
Japanese has tones, then? That I did not know…. o_O
Anyway, if Oda ever does create a character with the Kami Kami no Mi [Paper], it'll still remind me way too much of Yomiko Readman…
Who knows? Maybe Oda could do a parody of her, but I doubt it...
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Ah, my apologies, rs. I wasn't aware of that. I also didn't know Oda did his fruits in katakana. My bad.
Hmm…a bread bread fruit?
Villain: Ham sandwich slam!
Luffy: HAM!For some reason it tickles me. And I'm pretty sure Oda could do a paper person without making them seem to much like Yomiko. I mean, a lot of people have done cyborgs, but who has made a blue haired, cola-fueled, speedo wearing, popeye armed one? Only Oda. He could make them unique.
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@Rixile:
For some reason it tickles me. And I'm pretty sure Oda could do a paper person without making them seem to much like Yomiko. I mean, a lot of people have done cyborgs, but who has made a blue haired, cola-fueled, speedo wearing, popeye armed one? Only Oda. He could make them unique.
I suppose you're right, but to those who have seen R.O.D., it's going to be hard to not notice the similarities. After all, she IS 1 of 5 people in all of anime who has that power….
However, this IS Oda, and he somehow makes everything work....
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@Master:
Japanese has tones, then? That I did not know…. o_O
Not in the sense of Chinese tones… In Chinese, you change your intonation within one syllable, whereas in Japanese, you switch between two syllables (Paper: (low)ka(hi)mi, God: (hi)ka(low)mi)… One of the many little known facts about the Japanese language :happy: Most people'd understand you either way though, lol. And many Japanese people have trouble with some of the accents too (I'd always thought that the intonation in "bear" went down, not up, and just recently realized I was wrong)... And I think what really throws foreigners off is that the tone can change depending on whether you add another word before or after it =P Heck, they even sell these books called "accent dictionaries" that just list pretty much every word in the Japanese language and show how they're accented :wassat:
Anywho, back to the main topic... Some sort of a metal fruit would be really cool, but I think it'd be too much like Franky... But yeah, as you all say, this is Oda, so chances are, he could take the dumbest or unlikeliest ideas and make a kickass fruit, lol
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Not in the sense of Chinese tones… In Chinese, you change your intonation within one syllable, whereas in Japanese, you switch between two syllables (Paper: (low)ka(hi)mi, God: (hi)ka(low)mi)… One of the many little known facts about the Japanese language :happy: Most people'd understand you either way though, lol. And many Japanese people have trouble with some of the accents too (I'd always thought that the intonation in "bear" went down, not up, and just recently realized I was wrong)... And I think what really throws foreigners off is that the tone can change depending on whether you add another word before or after it =P Heck, they even sell these books called "accent dictionaries" that just list pretty much every word in the Japanese language and show how they're accented :wassat:
But the "tones" don't change the meaning of the word, like Chinese?
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Like I said, by whether you inflect up or down on the word "kami", it can either mean paper or God. So yes, the tones change the meaning of the words…. Let's see... another good example... =\ Oh, I know. In Japanese, we have this phrase, "umi no oya", which means a genetic parent. By inflecting differently on "umi", that phrase would mean "the parent of the sea". So yes, tone is important, but as far as I see, not as important as it is in Chinese
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It's like that in english too…..just think about "read" present tense and "read" past tense. (I know, not exactly the same but the best example I could think of on short notice.)
