Btw, saw a YT comment saying they should have just casted a German shepherd as Ein, since everyone else looks so different, lmao.
I can't believe live action humans don't look exactly like anime characters, how is that even possible???
Cowboy Bebop
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Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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There are certainly live action humans that look closer to the anime characters than the people they chose though.
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I can't believe live action humans don't look exactly like anime characters, how is that even possible???
Oh don't give me that, it's all in good spirit.
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There are certainly live action humans that look closer to the anime characters than the people they chose though.
But maybe they act like shit?
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There are certainly live action humans that look closer to the anime characters than the people they chose though.
And Hugh Jackman was a terrible Wolverine because he wasn't 5'3?
There's more to acting than someone looking exactly like their drawn fictional counterpart.
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I mean the problem with these type of adaptations is that human beings look silly as shit trying to do a 1:1 replication of an anime scene. Best you can do is that rurouni kenshin way where you see what can i pull off, what is a waste of my time and how can i keep the spirit of things somewhat intact. Or better yet not make live action remakes at all
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This will be an interesting experiment, cause if this show fails in adaptaing a sci fi show then I will have zero hopes of One Piece being any good coming from the same studio.
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A huge part of the live action-movie charme is obviously the resemblence of the cast, why try and sugarcoat it?
I mean there are two ways to do it:
1. Be as close to the source as possible. Don't try to be sophisticated about it, give the core audience their live action fantasy with the actors resembling the cast (as best as humanly possible). No one gives a shit about the acting quality, 9 times out of 10 the story consists of people shooting energy blasts at one another anyway.
It probably won't be a hit and very likely cringe incarnate, but if you're lucky you might at least create something memorable for the fanbase.
2. Try and re-invent the whole thing, go full current zeitgeist (whatever that might be). But boy, if you think you're some kind of prodigy writer and the world is just waiting for you to drool your creative juices over a beloved franchise? You better deliver. Hard.
The worst possible option, imo, is a combination of 1. & 2.
And sadly this seems to be the case judging by the trailer. Not close enough to the original, yet too cringe to take it serious. It's neither fish nor fowl.
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This will be an interesting experiment, cause if this show fails in adaptaing a sci fi show then I will have zero hopes of One Piece being any good coming from the same studio.
Studio doesn't mean much beyond who is footing the bill and sometimes notes. But the people working on it do.
ANd heck, even the creative talent varies. Not even Spielberg nails it every time.
Netflix greenlights and funds a lot of stuff. Some of it is garbage, and some of it great. But for every 10 Chicago Party Aunts, you sometimes get a Bojack Horseman.
One miss doesn't mean all misses any more than one success does.
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The Ed tease is here
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The lines felt like professional actors purposefully acting like they’re part of a stereotypical bad high school performance. I couldn’t tell if it was meant to be taken seriously or if it was part of the charm.
Maybe I just don’t watch old films from back in the day to appreciate this though. Keep read this is more 70s/exploitation film parodying.
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I loved the teaser, definitely think I’ll enjoy this series!
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At the very least the actors seem to be good in their roles, and the action seems great. This trailer at the very least gives me a bit of faith.
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I'm…not sure where I stand. Visually interesting, clever graphics, polished design no doubt. The way they play with black panel lines is very cool the first 15 seconds, however I could grow real tired real quick if it's always used so intensively. Worst offender, though, is that I can't bring myself to like Spike. It's not that I would want him to look more like the source character or anything. Just, something about the actor's face doesn't click for me. Maybe after a while I'd get used to the guy.
Overall I don't know where it stands compared to the original anime - which I litteraly watched in the previous century. But as with One Punch Man, I fell I'll be better off enjoying the show for what it is rather than prejudice against it with expectations born from the source material.
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Well the teaser was fun. Felt a little like a sitcom at start but got a lot better as it progressed.
But, since it's obviously not how the show is going to really look like, I'm still at a loss.
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It's obviously turned up to 11 for this teaser, and I assume they won't be playing with the fourth wall and color swaps i the actual show… but if the actual show is anything like this energy I'm down.
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this is so bad lmao.
if they're just making another "lol so quirky" marvel type show, what was the point of calling it cowboy bebop in the first place -
this is so bad lmao.
if they're just making another "lol so quirky" marvel type show, what was the point of calling it cowboy bebop in the first placeBecause Firefly/Serenity already exists.
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I liked the teaser, it was fun and Cho shows he can emote a bit (The bit with Vicious there). My only main worry is Faye, I know she can be a little childish sometime in the anime, but her mannerisms here feel a little off (she didn't exactly do a lot of name calling originally). I get the feeling this isn't meant to be serious, just introduce us to the characters. The real test comes November.
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Hunker in, this is a long one.
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I'm starting to have hopes. This looks legit good.
A few weeks ago I compared some of the screen shots we'd seen and compared them to the original anime and said "If you're doing a direct shot remake then at least do some color grading!"
I take it back, they have in fact gone in and done more color grading. The church scene is the proper purples now. Presumably other shots too but that's one I was specifically aware of. That also goes a LONG way towards toning down the "cosplay" feel so many have complained about.
I guess magazines need pictures way earlier on the production timeline, after all.
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Hmm looks like they're gonna combine a few of the eps and do some change around as well. I dig it, something familiar but something new as well.
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@me:
And if you're going to directly recreate shots and scenes, color grade them a little a least. This took me less than a minute in photoshop.
Yeah, this is better. The widescreen makes a difference too.
The widescreen makes a difference in the composition too.
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I have to say the cast have really good chemistry in the new trailer. Since I got a good laugh with a couple of scenes in the trailer.
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Looking good, now we are only lacking Ed.
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Watched the trailer and I don't even hate it!
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Oof, early reviews are not kind.
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/11/cowboy-bebop-netflix-review-1234678880/
https://www.polygon.com/reviews/22778708/cowboy-bebop-review-season-1-netflix-2021
https://ew.com/tv/tv-reviews/netflix-live-action-cowboy-bebop-review/There are some positive reviews, but even those are pretty mixed.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-reviews/cowboy-bebop-live-action-review-1256777/
https://www.ign.com/articles/cowboy-bebop-season-1-reviewI'm still intrigued, shows sometimes need time to find their voice, and it's still a litmus test for whether we can hope for the same from the studio regarding One Piece, but it's not looking good so far. November 19th is absolutely stacked with new content anyway, so I may not get around to this until much later. Here's hoping it manages to come together.
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Oof, early reviews are not kind.
Eh…early reviews for The Witcher season 1 were mixed as well and I still enjoyed it. I'll go into this with an open mind. If it isn't any good, we'll still have the anime anyway. The existence of Dragon Ball Evolution or the M Night Shyamalan Airbender movie don't diminish my enjoyment of the source material.
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Reviews comparing it to the anime hate it. Reviews judging it as its own thing seem to like it, is the big divide I'm seeing.
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I'm honestly kind of lost to who the target audience for this is
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I'm honestly kind of lost to who the target audience for this is
In addition to what Robby said, Netflix’s strategy is name recognition. Look, we have a movie by David Fincher. Look, we have a movie by Martin Scorsese. Look, we have Cowboy Bebop. You throw these things in to make your library look more robust, and while you’re there for something you know and maybe already love you check out their original stuff.
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I see. So kind of a wild stab at luring in a certain elusive demographic.
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I'd say the target is anyone who wasnt watched the anime and is not so inclined to check out a 20 years old series.
Netflix has been for a few years trying to expand and break barriers, promoting european series like Casa de Papel, and now the korean Squid Game.
They re counting on thr name recognition carrying the marketing and giving it that initial push, making sure the series has a nice initial boom since every fan is gonna at least check it out, and after that the show can stand on its own.
Look at what Robby noticed, those reviews that compare it alot with the anime say the series is poor, those who try to stand away from that angle seem to enjoy it, even if the majority of the anime fans dont like the show, if the randos and normies do, because theyre not comparing it to a previous work, its a success.
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I wouldn't worry to much about what the long time anime fans think.
I was really into LOTR fandom around the time the movies started getting made. The initial reactions around all the fan communities to FotR was horrendously negative.
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The only thing this whole endeavor is really accomplishing is making me think about finally checking out the original version; if the new one either isn't as good or is only good in the absence of comparison to its source material, might as well check out the source.
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Check the fuck out of it. Movie too.
Only read the first review. Hasn't really swayed me either way. It could end up fun despite being a bad adaptation, you know.
Mostly I'm concerned about that 25$ per episode budget joke.
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@Daz:
The only thing this whole endeavor is really accomplishing is making me think about finally checking out the original version; if the new one either isn't as good or is only good in the absence of comparison to its source material, might as well check out the source.
It's been ages since I watched the original anime, so maybe it didn't age as well as I think it did, but… please watch the original before going into this live action thing.
I binged that centaur show because of your advise so you kind of owe me anyway!
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The best eps of cowboy bebop are the random silly ones. The serious arc episodes were fine first time around but a drag on every re-watch. The mushrooms ep, the one about Jets old cop life, the alien rip-off and the corgi hunt all still hold up fine for me.
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@The:
In addition to what Robby said, Netflix’s strategy is name recognition. Look, we have a movie by David Fincher. Look, we have a movie by Martin Scorsese. Look, we have Cowboy Bebop. You throw these things in to make your library look more robust, and while you’re there for something you know and maybe already love you check out their original stuff.
This doesn’t exactly give me high hopes for the new live action One Piece, although I’m really praying that they do it right this time
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Sure, the one time they'll do it right is while adapting a manga about a rubber pirate who acts like an idiot most of the time but has a completely serious side to him. Good luck, uh, actor who plays Luffy…
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It's been ages since I watched the original anime, so maybe it didn't age as well as I think it did, but… please watch the original before going into this live action thing.
I binged that centaur show because of your advise so you kind of owe me anyway!The best way to enjoy both a well recieved with an adaptation tend to be adaptation first then original.
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Sure, the one time they'll do it right is while adapting a manga about a rubber pirate who acts like an idiot most of the time but has a completely serious side to him. Good luck, uh, actor who plays Luffy…
It really is quite a step up in difficulty from bebop where people looks a little stylized but for the most part are just human looking, to OP where even the side-characters are eleven meter tall gonks with like a daisy growing out of the nose.
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Maybe op would be better as some super sentai show, low budget, japanese based ( where they sold 400 millions volumes, unlike the west where they sold under 100million and even Naruto seems more popular). And it could Have Like 20 seasons, enough to adapt almost everything and not Have to cut most out. How will IT look Like? Idk with the budget, but even with Netflix budget I can't see how they can make it look anything close to the real thing.
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If the show looks anything at all like this fan made trailer I'll be okay with it.
It's NOT going to look as crazy or outlandish as the manga, get that idea out of your head now. But the big important pats of the story can carry over. The character designs and comedy not so much, hopefully they adjust accordingly.
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At which point does it go from being an adaption to being inspired by tho?
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At which point does it go from being an adaption to being inspired by tho?
At the Netflix opening sound and logo.
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IGN review's up. Says half of it ain't bad, leads do a decent job. But some of the more drama filled aspects didn't translate well. Not taking it as gospel, but just nice to find an honest review that doesn't blast it for being live action.
