@CosmicDebris:
Yes, it's totally elitist to tell someone who hasn't seen a series that they haven't seen a series… o.O
Eh, not quite what I was going for.
It's acting like I'm a total idiot because I haven't seen a series and pretending I can't make a good evaluation after having seen a little of it.
@CosmicDebris:
If you don't have any interest in watching a show, fine, there's plenty that I don't even want to give a try, but in that case there's nothing that one can say about the series that can be taken seriously other than "sorry, never saw it".
I made a comment that Bebop was good but "not all that" and got some cheek from Zephos, which is the same kind of rebuffing I've noiced from other Bebop fans abroad. I don't know why some folk seem to be so aggressive when it comes to criticism of this show, especially when Trigun and Evangelion, arguably "firsts" for other people, get knocked down the stairs by the same people who are defending Bebop. Most likely it's because the series is good, but I find it hypocritical to bash people who have nostalgia for those shows while treating Bebop differently.
A note that I am not talking about AP in particular, just general comments from the number of communities I frequent/used to frequent before getting banned. I'm not trying to insult anyone here, let's try to keep the discussion on the lighter side of serious.
Back on topic, that's what I find irritating - some folks who are quite clearly very nostalgic about this title, but won't admit it, and get angry when someone starts to talk trash about their holy grail. Not like a certain fanbase in the spotlight right now. :happy:
As someone on ANN once told me, the best kind of show is the kind that can take a lot of criticism by fans and yet still be considered great. One Piece is no exception, so I don't see why Bebop should be.
@CosmicDebris:
It's just an anime. A very entertaining one, but you aren't going to have some kind of epiphany or life changing experience watching it.
I thank you, that was the kind of response I was looking for.
@Zephos:
And saw the first episode in a series that changes tone every episode.
For me at least, that shouldn't make much difference. You reminded me I saw more than the first episode (which for some reason I confused with the third -_-) and I didn't really notice very noticeable colour changes. It was pretty much the same to me.
@Zephos:
What do people say it is? Deep?
Descriptions include,
1. Greatest Anime of all Time (half joke…)
2. Laid back.
3. Intense action.
4. Strong character drama.
Bebop fits two~four in my opinion, and it does so quite well, but I don't see why two~four equate to one.
@Zephos:
You do raelize your coomiting the classic "The fans suck, so the series must." logic mistake?
Considering the hype comes exclusively from the fans, I wouldn't be surprised. But I don't think that's the case for two reasons - the first is I try to not make that mistake out of respect for a show's creators, and the second is I actually did like what I saw of Bebop. I'm just saying it's not "best anime of all time" material.
I did say I saw the movie, found it entertaining/interesting, but best anime ever? The subject at hand isn't whether or not I enjoyed it, and even if such was the case I'm telling people I did, but the exaggerated praise that comes from the fans who I think are just a little intoxicated in memories.
I once had an MS Paint comic from Yotsuba regarding a simmilar issue, I only wish I had it to show you all now. It involved three stick figures discussing anime - the first goes, "Bleach"? The other two go, "Are they still on Namek"? and "shik sucks". The middle one goes, "Naruto"? His companions respond, "THAT jutsu"? and "shik sucks". The final one goes, "One Piece"? and one of the two goes, "lol, set fail". The other two proceed to bash his face in, cursing and chiding him for insulting the final anime.
@Zephos:
As someone who has bashed Eva f[a]r more on- his very forum, yo[u're] going to have to bring up more than what a long missing mod did.
Please clarify, I'm not sure what you mean.
@Zephos:
Do you know the context of the death? Do you know the amount of time spent on it? Do you know that its rushed? Do you know that its forced?
I know that it involved Spike making a fateful decision to go back and fight Vicious and that it was spurred by Spike not letting go of his past. Which, quite frankly, is what I think draws a lot of people to the ending and part of the reason I think it's rather silly - Spike's unwillingness to move on despite having found a "new life" is his tragic character flaw.
Why do I find it silly? Beyond simply hating that kind of character trait, the whole Vicious conveniently resurfaced in the last few episodes, with the only indicator of what was happening far earlier in the series (in one of the episodes I saw, in fact).
@Zephos:
I mean it is forshadowed in about 10 episodes, including the first.
Unless the forshadowing was painfully obvious, I don't think I would have gotten it without watching the series on end. That's not really something you can punt at someone who is basically watching it for the first time.
@Zephos:
Who is saying "its really good ebcause its the first I saw"?
Nobody here. I'm just using this opportunity to vent some feelings about Bebop and the fans in general, it's not exclusive to AP. I'm sorry if it felt like I was putting words in your mouth.
@Zephos:
Three is a mass?
No, it's a crowd.
But, I felt the need to bring up the Loki incident because he typifies the difference between people who watched Bebop in Y2K/01 and those who watch it later.
@taboo:
i am detecting some irony
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In all humour, I know I'm biased and I know I can get petulant at times, but I try to understand how other people feel about a series knowing full well their experiences will be different from mine.
Case in point, I spent the last month goading and guiding one of my friends on another forum into playing Ever17 and he's a diehard Kanon fan. I pitched it as "the best game I have ever played" (and suffice to say, it is) to try and lure him away from Kanon and like Ever17 more. He still prefers Kanon (which was his first tragic romance/drama) so I have failed, but I don't feel bad about it and he's pretty OK with me chiding Kanon as well.
It's a climate of good feelings fanboys/fangirls should embrace rather than setting everything on fire.
@captain:
terex, would you like some green eggs and ham.
If you mean to offer green eggs and ham, you are a liar, cappy-tan.
Though in all seriousness, I don't eat pigs and prefer me eggs scrambled well. No salt please.
@Mr.:
The music was absolutely amazing, I've got three soundtracks, and Blue and Tank! are two of my favorite Japanese songs.
My sister's a big fan of Bebop's music, but after seven years as a Jazz musician I never got hooked on it.