Nico Robin

[sabret00the]

Odlam raised this question in the spoiler thread and i actually think it deserves it's own thread: has Oda written himself into a corner with Nico Robin?

Odlam then went on to say "I mean, she can either outright kill you, or she can't harm you - there isn't much middle ground. Kick ass or get ass kicked. So I'm curious what she's going to do in the future, and if she will EVER have a real fight."

And i agree, you take all htis into context, you can't ever really see her struggling in a fight or anything, she has almost no weaknesses (sea strone), that's less weaknesses than a logia.

Given this arc i can't see Oda replacing her and i don't really see how he can write in her powers being limited, i mean he already done that by removing her exploding abilities and two ability culls while everyone else is getting extra abilities really wouldn't feel right.

So going back to the original question, has Oda written himself into a corner with Nico Robin? especially in regards to her fights?

[SecSeibzehn]

@sabret00the:

Odlam raised this question in the spoiler thread and i actually think it deserves it's own thread: has Oda written himself into a corner with Nico Robin?

Odlam then went on to say "I mean, she can either outright kill you, or she can't harm you - there isn't much middle ground. Kick ass or get ass kicked. So I'm curious what she's going to do in the future, and if she will EVER have a real fight."

And i agree, you take all htis into context, you can't ever really see her struggling in a fight or anything, she has almost no weaknesses (sea strone), that's less weaknesses than a logia.

Given this arc i can't see Oda replacing her and i don't really see how he can write in her powers being limited, i mean he already done that by removing her exploding abilities and two ability culls while everyone else is getting extra abilities really wouldn't feel right.

So going back to the original question, has Oda written himself into a corner with Nico Robin? especially in regards to her fights?

When could Robin blow stuff up.. ??

I may need to re-read Alabasta..

[Razza]

Didn't she use explosives? Also hurting whatever she reproduces effects all what she reproduces of the same kind. So she does have weakness', they just need to be exploited.

[Narguilo]

A weakness about Nico Robin is the stamina :o
remember when she was repulsing people from the gate of the castle, the strongs guard harmed her :o

She could have a lot of arms, but if you are stronger then you could hit her well :o

[Aldrich]

The whole concept of her clutches always seemed completely retarded and nonsensic to me. Without her Devil Fruit, she seems to be a woman with less than impressive physical power, she's not a trained martial artist like Calipha, she doesn't seem to have supernatural strenght.

So basically her ability allows her to multiply her strenght by the number of arms she's sprouting. So it means from what we've seen so far of her in a one on one combat situation, at best, she can attack with 15 times her natural strenght.

We've seen guys like Zoro are powerful enough to lift entire buildings. Now I'll go out on a limb and say Zoro is far from being the most physically powerful man in the One Piece world. So my point is, I highly doubt Robin's clutches would have any effect at all against the likes of Whitebeard, Blackbeard, Bartholomew Kuma, Jinbei, Akainu, who're probably more than able to resist the power of a young thin woman, even multiplied by 15, 20 or 100.

[Welkin]

I always thought Nico Robin's strength was in leverage, while her physical strength is not that impressive, she can apply that strength almost anywhere she wants. Clutch was her getting large amount of leverage on them and basically folding them in half.

Fighting Pell (probably not the strongest person in one piece, but supposed to be one of the strongest warriors in Alabaster) was easily beaten because he was hasty in attacking and she grabbed his feet arms and head. As Pell said later, he would not have been beaten so easy since her knew her powers, but she got leverage on him and then there was nothing he could do.

Yama was again an example of an extreamly physically powerful and massive person. When he grabs Robin at the end, she twists his arms back by grabbing his fingers and pulling them backwords (very painful).

In my opinion, using submission techniques with her devils fruit power would be a whole lot stronger then trying to gain physical strength and attacking with multiple arms. From what we've seen of whitebeard or any giant, Robins power would be not very effective and they could probably overpower 100 arms if she tried to attack them head on. But she uses leverage and if she could attack anywhere on their bodies at any time she wants to then she doesn't have to overpower them.

[Narguilo]

Aldrich your english is far better than mine, I should have put my thoughs in French :)

I guess we will see one day Robin trying to clutch someone and the guy won t move an inch and then start laughing ^^

[Aldrich]

Yeah that's what I think too. A guy who'd go "you may use 30 arms, but you're still just a woman".

Your english is good enough while mine is far from being exceptionnal as I have no idea what leverage means.

[sabret00the]

@Aldrich:

Yeah that's what I think too. A guy who'd go "you may use 30 arms, but you're still just a woman".

Your english is good enough while mine is far from being exceptionnal as I have no idea what leverage means.

admission des fonds de tiers.

both of yours' grammar is better than mine and i am English, so stop showing off xD

The idea her being overpowered is a good one, but if she had the ability to overpower yama and pell i'm less than hopeful.

take a look at how quickly she disarmed Zoro.

[gwar315]

You guys brought up some really nice points that I never thought up before. Now that I think about it try to imagine Nico fighting a giant, or even one of the taller Franky brothers. It would take ALOT of arms for that.

[AvanMilton]

She doesn't need to be strong, submission tecniques almost don't require strenght, they need for you to press the right point, move the right articulation, joint (sp).
Come on, any girl can go to a self defense class and learn how to break/dislocate someones arm, imagine that if the same girl can multiply her strenght and apply more clunches (sp) in the same time.

[Narguilo]

Aldrich: I guess leverage mean "effet de levier"
It is true that with submission technique she could block people stronger than her, but i am not sure she could do anything at someone who is 100 or 1000 times stronger than her…
I mean she could beat someone a little stronger than her, but not someone who will play in another league like withebeard should be :)

[AvanMilton]

@Narguilo:

I mean she could beat someone a little stronger than her, but not someone who will play in another league like withebeard should be :)

Use someone's strenght, agains himself, someone punches you, you can use the same movement to dislocate his arm, but with Robin, she could make him fall/trip (sp), dislocate and breack his arm, all at the same time. Considering that she can see the puch of course.
But check this out, how many oponents can fight, or walk with a couple hands holding his feet? or hands closing his eyes, I bet Robin can win many fight as long she has the stamina for it.
BTW she wont be of any help against Luffy, even if she can hold him, she won't do any damage to stop him.

[Doskoi-Pandaman]

i dont think she's overpowered but more of a strategic fighter. For instance most of her fights she has had a strategic disadvantage in the fight with Yama she was trying to save all the ruins from being destroyed she had to really find an effective way to put distance between him and her, also currently in Enies lobby she had the impeading seastone cuffs. I think oda is going to put her into a very hard situations where even her powers are not merely enough.

[Tragic_johnson]

I don't think Oda has written a corner with Robin, Robin and the other charecters don't need fights constantly to be helpful in whatever situation the strawhats are in (unless its Luffy or Zoro). I don't see Robin getting into that many fights in the future, she'll be useful in other ways. Plus if she does fight, Oda is creative enough to come up with something. She has plenty of weaknesses, and probably a few more tricks up her sleeve, so they should be good fights.

[captain usopp]

hey, we need Robin for the story to continue. She's the only one who can read the ancient text. Who cares if she can fight or not. There is more to OP than just fights. Even if it is a Shonen.

[lalala]

Ok, Time for me to step in. You need to think out of the box people. Instead of "She can only break stuff so stronger then robin=she loses" be creative. Don't forget she can make any part of her body, and to my knowledge, as many as she wants.

If someone charges at Robin, what should she do? Theres a few options: 1. Trip them. Yes, tripping is a good way to stop the charge but it can't do much damage right? Wrong. Once they're tripped she can make more feet and repeatedly and rapidly kick the guy in the head, face, ribs, etc.
2. Block vision. This one is pretty self explanitory.
3. I just woke up, think for yourself.

And the third part of this I'd like to address. Let's not forget the old saying people: "Theres power in numbers" That saying is usually true. Not in the spartans case but thats not the point. Anyway, Robin CAN overpower someone as strong as Whitebeard. It's reall not a complicated concept. All she needs is overwhelming amount of hands. They're combined strength can overcome whitebeards strength and be able to take them down.

Anyway, I can't see robin haveing an interesting fight though. Unless of course, she fights someone with actuall intelligence then there could be quite and interesting battle of whits. But, Robin doesn't have to fight. Sure, its a shonen, but that doesn't mean all the characters have to fight.

edit - why do they need the glyphs…?

[Kenechi]

Well, comparing her to people like Whitebeard isn't exactly fair, seeing as not even Luffy could probably make him budge now. With time, she'll get stronger, just like the whole crew has been doing every arc.

And Aldrich, you have to remember, she said the was skilled in the art of assasination, which she had probably been doing to get money to survive, so she has enough experience in fighting and killing.

Oh, and I am pretty sure that she could have done what Luffy and Zoro did to those buildings in W7, with a hundred arms or so. She was ranked among Luffy Zoro and Sanji as "Strong People" in Skypiea, and to compete against them, you must be able to output a certain degree of strength, not only techniques, as shown by the Usopp vs. Luffy battle.

[Narguilo]

robin is strong, I guess we are all ok with that :)
But on order to use the strength of your opponent you have to be very fast and skilled :o
In order to broke an arm when someone try to punch you, you have to evade the hit and put yourself at the good place and at the good moment, you have to apply opposed forces on specifical points :o

When i look at robin, I saw a smart girl, but not someone with special dexterity :o

[Itzal]

You guys have horrible imaginations. She can sprout more than just arms.

[Masta D.]

I just hope Oda makes Robin strengthen herself so she does not need to rely on her powers. It would be awesome if she learned Tekkai and Shigan.

[sabret00the]

@lalala:

Ok, Time for me to step in. You need to think out of the box people. Instead of "She can only break stuff so stronger then robin=she loses" be creative. Don't forget she can make any part of her body, and to my knowledge, as many as she wants.

If someone charges at Robin, what should she do? Theres a few options: 1. Trip them. Yes, tripping is a good way to stop the charge but it can't do much damage right? Wrong. Once they're tripped she can make more feet and repeatedly and rapidly kick the guy in the head, face, ribs, etc.
2. Block vision. This one is pretty self explanitory.
3. I just woke up, think for yourself.

And the third part of this I'd like to address. Let's not forget the old saying people: "Theres power in numbers" That saying is usually true. Not in the spartans case but thats not the point. Anyway, Robin CAN overpower someone as strong as Whitebeard. It's reall not a complicated concept. All she needs is overwhelming amount of hands. They're combined strength can overcome whitebeards strength and be able to take them down.

Anyway, I can't see robin haveing an interesting fight though. Unless of course, she fights someone with actuall intelligence then there could be quite and interesting battle of whits. But, Robin doesn't have to fight. Sure, its a shonen, but that doesn't mean all the characters have to fight.

edit - why do they need the glyphs…?

exactly the point, all her fights will be boring, same old, same old, she's practically unbeatable. i seriously hope there's a floor in her ability to do with speed, that'd mean Sanji could beat her and thus i'd be happy.

But it's like look at her reaction to Spandam, after all that she simply slaps him because Oda decided he hadn't finished with him yet and Robin's style is overtly make-or-break.

[Itzal]

The only problem I see in her fighting is that she requires the enemy to be immobilized before doing any serious damage.

But outside of fighting, her abilities are very well suited for archeology. She can view distances and reach anything…

I think Oda said that she can only sprout limbs in places within her sight range. Although this has been contradicted countless times, I think what he meant to say was "until the horizon".

Edit: She also makes a brilliant support person. "Helping Hand", tee hee!

[Welkin]

@Itzal:

I think Oda said that she can only sprout limbs in places within her sight range. Although this has been contradicted countless times, I think what he meant to say was "until the horizon".

Unless there is an SBS I missed, she said that she could catch the south bird only if she could see it. I think it would make sense that she can grow arms in specific location (like on the door in alabaster) because she knows where it is, rather then the south bird where she had no clue where it was until she saw it.

[Chubbychez]

I think one of her weaknesses is that she feels pain whenever someone hurts one of her sprouted arms. A really strong opponent could taken advantage of this weakness by quickly grabbing an arm whenever he/she feels one sprouting, and crush it, or snap it in half. While the damage may or may not transfer over to Robin's real body, the pain certainly would. The pain from a snapped or crushed arm would certainly be excrutiating enough, I would imagine, to immobilize Robin at least momentarily. A strong opponent could use this opening to attack Robin's actual body.

Also, if Oda wanted to, he could certainly write some weaknesses into her powers. I mean when was the last time her powers were put to the test? All of her opponents thus far have been pushovers. Give her a really strong opponent who isn't a pushover and we may discover a weakness or two in her powers. For example, what if all or some of the damage done to a sprouted arm transfers over to her real body? It's certainly possible for this to be one of her weaknesses. When was the last time we saw any real damage done to one of her sprouted arms?

[Greg]

Guys, guys, guys. Come now.

Since when has our crew's talents been based purely on raw power? If that were the case then Nami, non-triple Rumble Chopper and Usopp should have been usless long ago.

Those who mentioned leverage and creative ways of using her ability are absolutely right. Her battle with Yama is more than enough evidence for such claims.

Not only this, but forget raw power, consider what Oda could do with her in a fight that disables her ability to see clearly or track her enemy to place arms on it. She can use the entire environment around her to her advantage and that will make for some impressive battles.

Just consider that we've mainly seen her use her arms. She used legs for for? Walking the injured during Skypiea and her eyeball once? The potential for her is limitless.

I do agree that Oda has written himself into a corner. Not in terms of being able to use her, but instead having far too many options for her open. I think he'll be able to show us some amazing things.

[Zephos]

Is the only way some people judge characters….fights anymore?
All the recent bitching about Usopp...even Chopper...and now Robin has been in regards to thier dull shonen end fight capabilities.

You want maybe....Bleach? Naruto? Some series where that matters in regards to characterization and growth?

[sabret00the]

@Chubbychez:

what if all or some of the damage done to a sprouted arm transfers over to her real body? It's certainly possible for this to be one of her weaknesses. When was the last time we saw any real damage done to one of her sprouted arms?

that is the case but seriously, if she faces an opponent, sprouts hands over his eyes, round his necks and constrains his arms and legs, how exactly is he gonna damage her arms or legs. as i said with robin, it seems you either win or lose straight off the bat.

@Zephos:

Is the only way some people judge characters….fights anymore?
All the recent bitching about Usopp...even Chopper...and now Robin has been in regards to thier dull shonen end fight capabilities.

You want maybe....Bleach? Naruto? Some series where that matters in regards to characterization and growth?

Almost clever, do you want Aishiteru Ze Baby, Love Hina or I''s?

Fighting is pivotal to the One Piece storyline, discussion of how Robin will never stuggle in a fight? (question) and how that effects the storyline given that everyone else faces fighting struggles arc-in/arc-out does not in any which way suggest we're looking for Ikkitousen, especially on a One Piece dedicated forum.

[Kurigiri]

@Narguilo:

Aldrich your english is far better than mine, I should have put my thoughs in French :)

I guess we will see one day Robin trying to clutch someone and the guy won t move an inch and then start laughing ^^

Hmm.. tekkai?
I'm pretty sure Robin can't utilize her power to the max against one of those guys.

Though I would really want to see Robin in one of the team battles (e.g Arabasta, Enies Lobby).
We have seen her in a team battle, but against a minor underling of Enel. And Skypiea can hardly be called a team battle, it was just a battle royale.

It is possible Robin won't have any major power-up until the end of the series, since she joined quite late. And by power-ups, I mean stuff like the Gears, Asura, Diable Jump, Perfect Clima Tact, Kabuto or Chopzilla; meaning, every member had a recent "evolution" of his own, and I can't wait to see what kind of power-up Oda has for Robin.
A weapon-wielding Robin would suck, But I don't think Oda has written himself to a corner; like Greg said, Robin's potential is limitless.

[Chubbychez]

@sabret00the:

that is the case but seriously, if she faces an opponent, sprouts hands over his eyes, round his necks and constrains his arms and legs, how exactly is he gonna damage her arms or legs. as i said with robin, it seems you either win or lose straight off the bat.

By catching just one of her arms as it sprouts and crushing or snapping that arm with hand strength alone. This would be possible with a quick and strong enough opponent as her fleur techniques aren't instantaneous. She needs to sprout her arms first before she can do anything with them. Even then her arms don't appear to move with super speed.

[Le Lawliet]

@sabret00the:

Fighting is pivotal to the One Piece storyline, discussion of how Robin will never stuggle in a fight? (question) and how that effects the storyline given that everyone else faces fighting struggles arc-in/arc-out does not in any which way suggest we're looking for Ikkitousen, especially on a One Piece dedicated forum.

So, you're saying that the only way to judge a person's worth in a story is how interesting their fight is?

[sabret00the]

@yokaiforte:

So, you're saying that the only way to judge a person's worth in a story is how interesting their fight is?

no, i'm saying the only way to judge how much story you can make from a fight is by judging how interesting their fight is.

[Zephos]

@sabret00the:

Almost clever, do you want Aishiteru Ze Baby, Love Hina or I''s?

Fighting is pivotal to the One Piece storyline, discussion of how Robin will never stuggle in a fight? (question) and how that effects the storyline given that everyone else faces fighting struggles arc-in/arc-out does not in any which way suggest we're looking for Ikkitousen, especially on a One Piece dedicated forum.

What Yokai said.

One Piece is action-adventure. Not action-crap cliche festival like Naruto and Bleach.

I want Hunter X Hunter and Dragonball.
I wouldn't be reading this series if the casts combat was pivital.
There are combatants and non-combatants.
Luffy, Zoro, Franky and Sanji are warriors.

But the draw of Nico, Chopper, Usopp, and Nami is NOT thier combat skills and victories.

Usopp's character is about COURAGE. Burning down the world Governments flag in full view of thousands of soldiers is courage. Shooting Spandam is courage. What he did on the Puffing Tom was courage. Rallying the giants was courage.
Beating one foe of CP9 is a shallow easy way out writing for courage.

Chopper had the most badass CP9 fight so far, so I find the notion of him hitting a dead end in combatness apsurd in the first place.

Robin's character has ALOT more to do. By all theories and calculations, the One Piece is either a Ponyglyph or Ponyglyph oriented. She is ESSENTIAL to Luffy's dream, and to unraveling the mystery's of the WG and 100 year gap.
All of which is far more important then combat.

[Le Lawliet]

@sabret00the:

no, i'm saying the only way to judge how much story you can make from a fight is by judging how interesting their fight is.

If that's the case, then I'd say that the amount of story you can make from the Nami fight is pretty damn low.

[sabret00the]

@yokaiforte:

If that's the case, then I'd say that the amount of story you can make from the Nami fight is pretty damn low.

honestly i don't know one person who doesn't think nami fights are both tedious and overtly long.

and i swear she's only had two :o\

[Tragic_johnson]

Originally posted by Zephos
Is the only way some people judge characters….fights anymore?
All the recent bitching about Usopp...even Chopper...and now Robin has been in regards to thier dull shonen end fight capabilities.

You want maybe....Bleach? Naruto? Some series where that matters in regards to characterization and growth?

Thank you and well said, Robin has so many other things involved with her in the story, that I don't even care about her fights. Her history, her intelligence, her charecter, are far more interesting than if she beats a powerful oponent.

[RixileKetchupKing]

Oda just has to put Robin up against an opponent she can't grab, kinda like how Mr. 1 couldn't be cut (or so he thought) and was therefore Zoro's opponent. And Oda has already created a character that can't be grabbed, one that (I think) would make a very good fight for Robin.

Alvida anyone?

P.S. What everyone is saying about how Robin doesn't have to fight to be important is true, but seeing how this is a shonen, she's probably going to get into a scrap or two.

[Le Lawliet]

@sabret00the:

honestly i don't know one person who doesn't think nami fights are both tedious and overtly long.

and i swear she's only had two :o\

Hello.

All in all, the only thing I saw in that fight that was interesting was the Fata Morgana and perhaps the Thunderlance tempo. The rest of the fight was basically fanservice.

[sabret00the]

@yokaiforte:

Hello.

All in all, the only thing I saw in that fight that was interesting was the Fata Morgana and perhaps the Thunderlance tempo. The rest of the fight was basically fanservice.

we are agreeing right, unless i'm missing something?

[Le Lawliet]

@sabret00the:

we are agreeing right, unless i'm missing something?

I'm saying I found the fight betweeen Nami and Calipha rather… boring.

[Renton Thurston]

In my opinion, I feel physical strength does play a large role in a fight against Robin. Yes, physical strength is not always the answer in fights, BUT I feel when it comes to Robin it does matter. There are some VERY physically strong characters in One Piece. I feel there are characters like Zoro and stronger that could resist the clutch. Also like mentioned her arms transfer the pain and strain of whatever is put in front of her arms. So if someone is resisting the clutch and is largely physically stronger it will bring a lot of pain to Robin that can cause her to lose her concentration just trying to hold her opponent. Also if she has a opponent that can fire projectiles or use a flying cutting attack like Zoro she would have a hard time blocking, because creating a shield of arms will still get her hurt from the transfer of Pain. I couldn't even imagine how painful it would feel for one of her sprouted arms, feet, etc… to be cut in half.

Yes she can cover a character's eyes, but like mentioned earlier the arm on her opponent can be crushed or cut by a opponent strong enough to do so without much effort.

Another thing I would like to bring up is that beyond her arms, she is pretty stationary when using her ability usually needing to cross her arms and facing her opponent and doubt she would want to put eyes on too many arms. Also has mentioned earlier she has not shown to much power in speed or durability so she is quite open for attack when using her arms. Also there are a lot of Logias out there that wouldn't have a problem with her i.e Croc, Ao, and Enel.

I could go on and on and on, but I don't want to bore everybody. heh
Believe me, I like Robin but I feel that Oda has not made her unbeatable.

Though I suppose only time will tell.

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

I am hoping that she'll get to fight Doflamingo, a person who can produce numerous hands everywhere against a person who can seemingly control other people's hands and/or other parts.

I don't believe Robin's character is in a hole fight wise due to the fact that the people they will face from this point on will be getting stronger and stronger and it's Oda writing the story. people were thinking Usopp was a crap fighter then he pulls Sogeking on us and a whole new depth to his character and fighting come about.

[onemoment]

I don't know if Oda is in a corner with Robin. I imagine that in the future Oda will make some opponents that are made of her to fight, like contortionists, or physically imposing enemies that have a self-destruction button on their back or something.

Like Yama, despite seeming to be a weak opponent, was probably that only other fighter who could challenge Robin–his fat body made him difficult to clutch like a normal lackey. Robin will probably just fight more "Yama's" in the future just like how Sanji gets the martial artists, Zoro gets the swordsmen, Chopper gets the weirdos, Nami gets the chicks, and Usopp gets the long range guys.

[bevin]

Why would he be in a corner if he still has so much untapped potential in her fights? She has plenty of weaknesses, as other people have pointed out, and she's hardly unbeatable. Against a really strong opponent, a fight with her could last a while. Although I'm finding it difficult to see how it matters much, since that's not the point of her character (though some people seem to have difficulty imagining a point to a character outside fighting, it seems). I'm sure there are plenty of other manga out there that feature non-stop fights and every character kicks lots of ass all the time. One Piece isn't one of them. after 420 chapters, I'd have thought that'd be evident.

[Itzal]

I've never been able to understand what people were complaining about. The purpose of One Piece fights aren't simply to defeat an enemy, it's about overcoming a personal struggle.

Like, Zoro's is to defeat every swordsman so he can work his way up to Mihawk's talent. All of his enemies have presented blades in a different style, challenging him differently.

Nami's is to let go of her money-loving nature to defend somebody else, ie. Vivi or Robin. There's plenty of evidence to back this up, as she always quotes another person's suffering before she fights.

I don't remember Skypiea, I think that was the only exception. Maybe she mentioned Conis.

Anyway, point is, it doesn't matter if a fight is win-or-lose or drags out through several chapters. Their charater develops one way or another.

[Pipboy]

It is very easy to create someone who is tailored to create an interesting fight, especially when you are dealing with a nigh unlimited world. Most interesting fights are not really interesting because of duration or context but because of the intangibles. For example, the best fights in most any anime I have ever seen is Samurai Champloo. The fights there are basically from 15-45 seconds long and involve two people, most always with swords trying to kill one another. In the end, someone dies. It is the beauty of their motion and the symetry of the choreography that makes the fight interesting, not the venue or means.

Likewise, in a manga, the fight is made interesting by how things are executed not what they are. It is possible to write a very interesting fight that contains literally one blow thrown. For example, in hunter x hunter, the kidnap of Lucifer is technically a fight, but it lasts literally a second, each party getting one move in. Robins fights need to be written more carefully than others but they can still be made very interesting.

For example. Lets say, She fought Kumadori. When he or any memeber of CP9 uses Tekkai, her clutch is nullifed. In this particular case Kumadori also has a non directional appendage with no joints, his hair, meaning, no matter what she does to his limbs he can still strike back. However she is likewise not limited to just spawning hands and appendages. She as an assassin has been shown to use weapons twice, and thus we have another possiblity.

Imagine if you will, robin, with 6 guns being dragged up a wall by a delphinum in an effort to evade Kumadori's hair, while fireing rapidly at him. She can't risk a clutch and it would do her more harm than good. Perhaps the ultimate solution is to spawn a hidden arm, wait until he tries some move, then throw a knife at him. He dodges goes in for the kill and the arm grabs the knife and stabs him in the back.. a la crocodile.

All it takes is imagination and willingness to work within a set of boundaries. Many can be resistant but not immune to Robins power, through strength, devils fruit or gimmik as long as the writer is willing to play around and be creative… and that....that I don't see as a problem.

[Zephos]

Am I the only one who dosen't pay any attention at all to new techniques and thier explanations?

[Mavado]

@Itzal:

I don't remember Skypiea, I think that was the only exception. Maybe she mentioned Conis.

She fought the twins to protect Ussop and Sanji who were unconscious at the time.
Her "fight" with Enel had more to do with her own survival.

[sabret00the]

@Pipboy:

It is very easy to create someone who is tailored to create an interesting fight, especially when you are dealing with a nigh unlimited world. Most interesting fights are not really interesting because of duration or context but because of the intangibles. For example, the best fights in most any anime I have ever seen is Samurai Champloo. The fights there are basically from 15-45 seconds long and involve two people, most always with swords trying to kill one another. In the end, someone dies. It is the beauty of their motion and the symetry of the choreography that makes the fight interesting, not the venue or means.

Likewise, in a manga, the fight is made interesting by how things are executed not what they are. It is possible to write a very interesting fight that contains literally one blow thrown. For example, in hunter x hunter, the kidnap of Lucifer is technically a fight, but it lasts literally a second, each party getting one move in. Robins fights need to be written more carefully than others but they can still be made very interesting.

For example. Lets say, She fought Kumadori. When he or any memeber of CP9 uses Tekkai, her clutch is nullifed. In this particular case Kumadori also has a non directional appendage with no joints, his hair, meaning, no matter what she does to his limbs he can still strike back. However she is likewise not limited to just spawning hands and appendages. She as an assassin has been shown to use weapons twice, and thus we have another possiblity.

Imagine if you will, robin, with 6 guns being dragged up a wall by a delphinum in an effort to evade Kumadori's hair, while fireing rapidly at him. She can't risk a clutch and it would do her more harm than good. Perhaps the ultimate solution is to spawn a hidden arm, wait until he tries some move, then throw a knife at him. He dodges goes in for the kill and the arm grabs the knife and stabs him in the back.. a la crocodile.

All it takes is imagination and willingness to work within a set of boundaries. Many can be resistant but not immune to Robins power, through strength, devils fruit or gimmik as long as the writer is willing to play around and be creative… and that....that I don't see as a problem.

+1 Insightful

[Le Lawliet]

@Zephos:

Am I the only one who dosen't pay any attention at all to new techniques and thier explanations?

I'm right here with ya buddy. For me, they're more the icing on the cake to for a manga. The fights can, and in One Piece, will be interesting, but I'm more concerned in what counts the most: the story.

Look, Robin basically has just one fight discounting those skirmishes with Pell and Croc. ONE FIGHT. And that's against Yama. That's even less than Nami.