My thoughts on One Piece *SPOILERS*

gwar315

I have been reading this board for a while now and just wanted to post my thoughts on what has been going on currently in the manga and where I think they should be going after this arc. First of all I think if the strawhats all have birthdays why havent they aged at all. That mean we are expected to believe that you can reach the end of the grandline and Raftel in a year. If thats the case then why is it taking Shanks and Whitebeard so long to meet? I hope after this arc they clear up the loose ends with Shanks, White beard and Dragon and even Rockstar the new Red haired pirate.

Second thing, For all the people who are afraid Kaku is dead remeber this, Oda NEVER kills off any main characters, NEVER.

Third, Franky vs Paulie for who is the next crew memeber. My thoughts:
Franky was given a detailed emotional backstory, Paulie has nothing.
Franky has lots of cool inovative attacks, Paulie uses….......ropes.
Franky has been given lots of showtime, Paulie is just fighting marines.
Franky loves to sing and play guitar so Luffy will love him.
Oda said he wanted to do a mecha manga and Franky allows him to have fun with that while still working on one piece.

Fourth, I would love to hear what you guys think of the blackbeard pirates. If you have noticed they havent shown Blackbeard in forever. If he is going to fight the strawhats I think the next time we see him he will have some new crew members. Last time ( counting Laffati) he had five to Luffys now ( counting Franky since it is obvious he is going to join) 8. Blackbear will have to have expanded his crew for all the strawhats to get a fight. Plus I think Jesus Burgess (the wrestler from mock town) will make a good opponent for Franky since he uses his metal fist boxing style.

I would like to hear all your thoughts on this and thanks for reading. I love this forum and One Piece!

the14u

hmmm ok well you started a new thread mostly to state the obvious and for your speculations. well there is already a speculation thread but I don't know where it is right now. Anyways lets see what other members have to say about it.

Refii

Welcome to the boards!

I think you're a little confused about some of your ideas.. people don't think those things (majority).

-The time since the first chapter of OP has not passed in years, I believe the journey has lasted something around a year to this point?? too lazy to look it up, but that's why they haven't aged.
-No one was worried Kaku would die, just that he wouldn't become a SH because he's a bad guy. Which he most likely won't become.
-stfu nub Paulie is like Neo he has mad haxx skillz wit dem ropes powpowpow!!! Paulie isn't just some "rope" guy, he uses his ropes in inventive and fun ways, plus he has insecurities with women and gambling problems, he's a character with potential. (no not potential to suck)
-Not to say Franky won't be the newest member, but he's a duche Although Oda turned that around and made him much more responsible in the latest chapters, plus he could have bought a new ship so bleh. Frankys good people, but having first met him when he beat up poor Usopp is something I don't think I'll ever forgive him for.. it was messed.. that's all I can say about it.
-I hope Blackbeard is the next serious or funny (if it isn't the only time they see them again) arc's villain. This is because I honestly believe the SH crew evolving has just made them more than a match for anything short of the elite on top. So if Blackbeard is going to take a chance at that bounty to become a shichibukai, this will likely be his only opportunity, if the SH get any stronger (in terms of the evolution they had this arc).. I honestly think they'll start being on the Red Hair Crew level of pirate,

Nine

Kaku isn't dead cause he will join the Mugiwara.:ninja:

sabret00the

@Refii:

-stfu nub Paulie is like Neo he has mad haxx skillz wit dem ropes powpowpow!!! Paulie isn't just some "rope" guy, he uses his ropes in inventive and fun ways, plus he has insecurities with women and gambling problems, he's a character with potential. (no not potential to suck)

that was hilarious.

All in all Franky is in, Paulie is not, in fact Paulie had the same amount of development as the king bulls. (sorry i had to try and make myself laugh)

All in all the timeline thing is annoying and i think Oda should address it soon.

Skull Kid

They just showed Blackbeard right before Skypiea. If anything Oda needs to bring Dragon back for something. He hasn't showed up since Loguetown.

Kurigiri

Dragon wasn't shown, but he was mentioned.

gwar315

Im not a noob and as I said in the first sentence have been reading here for a while. The reason I said that about Kaku was becuase on the other threads people are saying they hope he isnt dead and has a mini-story. Oda never kills anyone so it shouldnt even be question whether he is alive or not. Just because I said my own opinions I get regarded as a newb. How many attacks can you do with a freaking rope before they become boring. Jesus calm down.

sabret00the

i think i speak for Refii when i state that in his "stfu nub" he was joking.

Solar Knight

How many times has Franky played the guitar anyway? I can only think of him doing it… once. I'm still not counting him as part of the crew until he's IN. I remember thinking Vivi was gonna be a permanent member when I was catching up, but she stayed with her kingdom. For all we know, Franky could stay with Iceburg and the Franky Family.

Paulie WAS a great character back in Water 7, but he seems cast aside. I'd like to see some more of him in this arc's closing.

Refii

stfu sabrenub :wub:
The exact word I would have used would be "sarcasm," however joking is acceptable.

No offense meant friend.. if you'll notice I'm the only nub that actually welcomed you to the forums.. see I'm a noob and I don't mind, it's an endearing quality of innocence that backwards logistically only serves to prove my masculinity (as well as wearing pink shirts) so don't take too much offense Sorry though.

gwar315

Sorry if I seemed defensive. I was just frustrated because after I typed all that I got logged out and had to redo the whole message. I just want to know what people think of the blackbeard pirates getting new crew members to fight the new strawhats and if you think Oda will give us some of the Shanks meeting Whitebeard next arc. Also some Dragon I hope.

Yoska

Okey… but last thing we need is yet another Franky VS Pauly thread.

Dixxy Mouri

Meh, after Robin's recruitment in Arabasta I still say anyone is fair game to join as the shipwright at this point.

On the Blackbeard pirates, well, I know he had a small crew at the beginning of Skypiea and all, but what's mysterious about him is that we don't actually know what kind of strength we have - all we have are hints as to what he's capable of.

1. Blackbeard considers himself to be on par with the Shichibukai - yes, it's possible he's just full of himself and that the weakest Shichibukai could possibly kick his ass before breakfast, but for him to have the guts to actively seek out that position suggests that he isn't a pushover.
2. Ace is chasing after Blackbeard - it's entirely possibly Whitebeard sees Blackbeard as a big enough threat that maybe Ace, a LOGIA DEVIL FRUIT USER, might be one of the only people in his crew capable of handling Blackbeard.

Secondly. . . THE TIMELINE BUGS ME, TOO! Someone else on the board has guessed about five months have passed since Luffy left his village, but I am DEFINITELY curious about how much time has passed. We know how much time has passed in relation to specific events, but little beyond that.

However, it is unlikely that it's been a full year. The proof? Robin.

1. Robin was 6 years old when Gol D. Roger was executed.
2. Robin was 8 when he bounty was instated.
3. It has been 20 years since her bounty was instated.
4. I think it was mentioned in the Loguetown arc that Gol D. Roger was executed 22 years ago.

When you do the math out (Robin's years at a wanted criminal {20} + amount of time between Roger's execution and bounty {2} = 22), this suggests that not enough time has passed for people to start saying Gol D. Roger has been dead for about 23 years, putting One Piece time somewhere in the vacinity of a few months to 7-8 months - slightly over half a year.

One of the SBS' - probably in the 30's volumes - suggested that Luffy hasn't had his 18th birthday yet because Oda said that so far every year has been Luffy's 17th birthday all over again (and presumably 19 for Sanji and Zoro, 18 for Nami, ect.). That's the ONLY time I've seen Oda address the in-story timeline (and not the flashbacks).

gwar315

@Yoska:

Okey… but last thing we need is yet another Franky VS Pauly thread.

I know that. The only reason I wanted to addresse that topic was to show why it should be pointless by this point to argue between the two of them. Sorry if it seemed like I wanted this thread to focus on Franky vs. Paulie. Thanks.

Vanessa

@Dixxy:

2. Ace is chasing after Blackbeard - it's entirely possibly Whitebeard sees Blackbeard as a big enough threat that maybe Ace, a LOGIA DEVIL FRUIT USER, might be one of the only people in his crew capable of handling Blackbeard.

Ace is chasing Blackbeard because he was under Ace's command when he supposedly killed those to crewmates from Whitebeard's crew. True though, Blackbeard most likely will end up being strong as hell though.

Dixxy Mouri

@Kidany:

Ace is chasing Blackbeard because he was under Ace's command when he supposedly killed those to crewmates from Whitebeard's crew. True though, Blackbeard most likely will end up being strong as hell though.

Thing is, he's also managed to evade Ace - if he wasn't a big deal, Ace probably would have taken care of him already.

Vanessa

I'm not saying that he isn't a big deal. I'm saying the reason Ace is chasing Blackbeard is because he was his subbordinate. Here's a link.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter159.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3131
He also says if he wasn't his subordinate he wouldn't even be there.

Ceestar

I know Franky seems more likely to join, but I rather Paulie or Kaku.

If anything, I think Franky will be providing the new ship because his dream is to build a strong battleship that travels the Grand Line right? I was thinking one of them (Franky and Paulie) would provide a ship and the other joins.
Really the both of them seem to have a reason to stay in Water 7 though. Franky still has his 'Franky Family', I mean they risk their lives to bring him back only for him to become a pirate and leave?
Plus Paulie still has Galley-La to think about right? Urgh I dunno.

Kaku joining would seem so much like the Arabasta arc. Think, blue haired friend (at first foe) joinsm really looks like they will join and they don't cause they need to stay (with the Arabasta Kingdom..and in this case with the Franky Family), then someone that started off as a bad guy joins instead. All we need now is Kaku to have a twisted past that will affect the Mugiwara crew in the future o_o
Mind you I wouldn't mind this scenario

I really don't know who will join, but none of them seem to have a solid reason to join…really...unless you look deep and hope and ponder.
Paulie has the qualifications as a Galley-La shipwright but Franky was trained by Tom...so yeah ...

Let's just wait and see =_=""

! Did the ToJ crumble in chapter 420 with Kaku still inside o_o

sabret00the

Anyone else think that Whitebeard will die in battle as a result of him using a technique that shortens his life span?

Dixxy Mouri

! @sabret00the:
! > Anyone else think that Whitebeard will die in battle as a result of him using a technique that shortens his life span?

Whitebeard? You meant Luffy, right? Well, I think that if another enemy in the future figures out Luffy has Gear 2 and knows what goes along with it, then I think he'll be provoked into using it, but whether or not THAT happens is a mystery only Oda knows the answer to. I find it unlikely that Luffy will die in the series at all (unless it is at the VERY, VERY END) and least of all in battle. But that's just me.

Paulie still has a good chance in joining the strawhats because if they get a bigger ship their definitely going to need more than one ship wright and paulie has had a significant role in the enies lobby arc I mean hes leading the rebels which is allowing the sh to take on cp9 and save robin. Paulie also has an a realli cool personality I mean he loves to gamble, but at the same time is really strict when it comes to girls dress, the cigars are cool too. His character would be a funny addition to the sh crew as he would conflict with nami, robin, and sanji. Nami and robin because of their tendency to wear skimpy clothing and sanji because he adores their skimpy clothing. Also he would probably take out huge loans from nami because he loves to gamble.

well newayz i seriously think the next arc is going to consist of luffy meeting back up with ace anybody remember back in during the alabasta arc ace gave luffy that piece of paper that was important for some reason only known to oda. Well i think that is going to come into play here and some how black beard will get tossed into the mix well i said what i wanted to say lata

Porter

@jinn:

well newayz i seriously think the next arc is going to consist of luffy meeting back up with ace anybody remember back in during the alabasta arc ace gave luffy that piece of paper that was important for some reason only known to oda. Well i think that is going to come into play here and some how black beard will get tossed into the mix well i said what i wanted to say lata

That would fit well. The best theory I heard so far, about the piece of paper, is: Luffy burns it and Ace will rise out of the flame.
So, if Blackbeard shows up, that might come in handy.

gwar315

I dont want to kick a dead horse but I still think Paulie joining is farfetched. I mean yea Vivi had a good shot at joining but she really had no power. Her weapons were just strings with razors( kind of like Paulies ropes). He is a good support character but wouldnt fit in with the crew. I mean Franky has already bonded with Usopp, Robin, and now Luffy. I mean they just fit together. Think about it. He fits into the kind of inncocent yet stupid characters like Usopp, Luffy, and Chopper. Its a much better fit.

DeadJustice

@sabret00the:

Anyone else think that Whitebeard will die in battle as a result of him using a technique that shortens his life span?

No. I think he'll die of disease and old age complications.

Dixxy Mouri

@jinn:

Paulie still has a good chance in joining the strawhats because if they get a bigger ship their definitely going to need more than one ship wright and paulie has had a significant role in the enies lobby arc I mean hes leading the rebels which is allowing the sh to take on cp9 and save robin. Paulie also has an a realli cool personality I mean he loves to gamble, but at the same time is really strict when it comes to girls dress, the cigars are cool too. His character would be a funny addition to the sh crew as he would conflict with nami, robin, and sanji. Nami and robin because of their tendency to wear skimpy clothing and sanji because he adores their skimpy clothing. Also he would probably take out huge loans from nami because he loves to gamble.

well newayz i seriously think the next arc is going to consist of luffy meeting back up with ace anybody remember back in during the alabasta arc ace gave luffy that piece of paper that was important for some reason only known to oda. Well i think that is going to come into play here and some how black beard will get tossed into the mix well i said what i wanted to say lata

As much as I am 99% sure that Franky will join, it is only that 99% that I am sure. Part of me realizes something very important:

THIS IS EIICHIRO ODA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Seriously? I think he likes to keep the readership guessing, and I see very little reason that Oda has confirmed Franky will be the next SH. Yes, we have the Mugiwara Pirates vs. CP9 picture that has Franky with the 6 current Straw Hats (and Sogeking - technically not a SH right now). Yes, he's done a lot to help. But you can't say "yeah, he's joining for sure" until we see this basic conversation:

Luffy: Be my nakama!
Franky: Okay!

Although myself and several others have mentioned this as a possibility:

Luffy: SUGEEEIIIII! You're a musician!? You should be in my crew!
Zoro or Nami or one of the others: Ah, Luffy, he's a shipwright -
Luffy: WE'VE NEEDED A MUSICIAN SINCE VOLUME ONE! YOU'RE SO IN THE CREW! Now we just need a shipwright!
Everybody: -.-*

Point is, nothing is in stone right now. Oda might have some curveballs yet, and we may get someone joining the crew out of left field that NO ONE has guessed yet, even in jest.

unchipu

@Dixxy:

Although myself and several others have mentioned this as a possibility:

Luffy: SUGEEEIIIII! You're a musician!? You should be in my crew!
Zoro or Nami or one of the others: Ah, Luffy, he's a shipwright -
Luffy: WE'VE NEEDED A MUSICIAN SINCE VOLUME ONE! YOU'RE SO IN THE CREW! Now we just need a shipwright!
Everybody: -.-*

About the musician thing, I seriously hope it doesn't turn out to be an amateur like Franky. It really should be someone whose speciality is music. It would also be great if they were able to use their music abilities to fight.

Although it is, hypothetically, possible that Franky won't join…I am positive that he will. In fact, I make the following vow: if Franky does not join, I will write the phrase I WAS WRONG on a piece of paper, and then proceed to eat said piece of paper. And I will capture the event on film, for proof and posterity. Such is my faith in Franky. You don't create a character with as much development, charm, versatility, and importance and who manages to be a stupendous badass while wearing speedos (an act thought impossible until the advent of Franky), and then NOT have him join. If he doesn't join, I will suddenly question everything I ever thought I knew about the art of storytelling. AND eat a piece of paper. In that order.

As for Blackbeard, I just think that guy's great. He's got a great, simple, incredibly expressive and VERY piratey design, and him and his entire crew are, philosophically and stylistically, great villain to pit against the Strawhats. I'm torn between wanting to see them again soon, and hoping that either the crew, or at least Blackbeard alone (if he becomes a Shichibukai...buuuut...he's not animal-themed. The WG may consider that grounds enough not to hire the poor bastard. Makes sense to me) are among the major players in One Piece's final conflict, whenever and however it occurs.

Dixxy Mouri

@unchipu:

About the musician thing, I seriously hope it doesn't turn out to be an amateur like Franky. It really should be someone whose speciality is music. It would also be great if they were able to use their music abilities to fight.

I was half-joking when I wrote that little blurb, but we also don't know the extent of his musical talents. It would be like telling someone to hit a tamborine once or striking a few keys on a piano and judging their entire musical talent on THAT.

Music as a weapon? That was semi-done in one of the specials (#2, I believe - the pirate baddie had a choir that had a hypnotic song), although I suppose someone could use a variety of stunning techniques using the right frequency of notes. Would certainly make a fascinating Devil Fruit.

One thing I believe would be neat is if the musician was a logia user who ate the Wind Wind or Air Air fruit (or something like that) - it would be appropriate for a musician, as many musical instruments require some kind of blowing or breathing techniques (i.e. ALL of the woodwinds, ALL of the brass, ect.). Plus, the SHs don't have any Logia users on the crew yet. Two paramecias and a zoan.

@jikan:

Although it is, hypothetically, possible that Franky won't join…I am positive that he will. In fact, I make the following vow: if Franky does not join, I will write the phrase I WAS WRONG on a piece of paper, and then proceed to eat said piece of paper. And I will capture the event on film, for proof and posterity. Such is my faith in Franky. You don't create a character with as much development, charm, versatility, and importance and who manages to be a stupendous badass while wearing speedos (an act thought impossible until the advent of Franky), and then NOT have him join. If he doesn't join, I will suddenly question everything I ever thought I knew about the art of storytelling. AND eat a piece of paper. In that order.

Hey, I agree that Franky is probably going to join - I'm just saying it's not over until the pre-Sube Sube Fruit Alvida sings. We just have to wait and see, but I have a feeling that we probably won't get to see a video of you eating that paper - I'm just saying I havce some healthy skeptiscism.

And, o' course, healthy skepticism is pretty much called for in One Piece…really, Robin's joining was clear out of left field. But on this issue, I have nothing but a firm, unshakeable belief. I'm just brining up my definitive stance in this thread while we're all kinda on the subject. My ultimatum is more directed at the poor, soon-to-be-disappointed people who still think there's a chance Paulie, Kaku, or (in one almost unbelievable instance I heard) ROB LUCCI will join instead.

dazze01

@gwar315:

I dont want to kick a dead horse but I still think Paulie joining is farfetched. I mean yea Vivi had a good shot at joining but she really had no power. Her weapons were just strings with razors( kind of like Paulies ropes). He is a good support character but wouldnt fit in with the crew. I mean Franky has already bonded with Usopp, Robin, and now Luffy. I mean they just fit together. Think about it. He fits into the kind of inncocent yet stupid characters like Usopp, Luffy, and Chopper. Its a much better fit.

Bonded….that what Vivi did, bonded with them and still did not join. Paulie might still join or both of them????

gwar315

@dazze01:

Bonded….that what Vivi did, bonded with them and still did not join. Paulie might still join or both of them????

Okay, of course everyone loved Vivi but when I say bonded I meant she got along with Nami the best. They hung out while Luffy, Usopp, and Chopper did their own stupid things and got into trouble. Franky seems to have bonded with those guys more then Vivi in terms of them hanging out and joking around on the ship.

I think Franky is going to be a pretty good (and comical) musician. I dont think anyone else who fights with musical weapons is going to work. It just dosent have alot of options. Kind of like Paulies ropes. Only so much can be done with the musical instrument thing. Anyone play Batien Katios for gamecube??

dazze01

hmm…franky=musician, paulie=shipwright...(in luffy's head) maybe! XD

Dixxy Mouri

@Jikan:

And, o' course, healthy skepticism is pretty much called for in One Piece…really, Robin's joining was clear out of left field. But on this issue, I have nothing but a firm, unshakeable belief. I'm just brining up my definitive stance in this thread while we're all kinda on the subject. My ultimatum is more directed at the poor, soon-to-be-disappointed people who still think there's a chance Paulie, Kaku, or (in one almost unbelievable instance I heard) ROB LUCCI will join instead.

Indeed, and that's all I'm saying - healthy skepticism is almost a requirement for being an OP fan - especially when it comes to the recruitment of new members. Seriously, when they were back in Cocoyashi village and talking about a doctor, would anyone have seriously said this:

"You know, if they get a doctor next, I think they're going to get a reindeer with a blue nose and a big pink hat. Yup. Totally going to be a reindeer."

Obviously once they got into the major part of the Drum Arc it was fairly obvious Chopper was going to join or at least become a major player in the storyline. But prior to arriving on Drum Island, would anyone have predicted something that bizarre? Oda LIKES the bizarre, and he loves the unpredictable - hence, it's near impossible to predict exactly what will happen next. Sure, sometimes we can make an educated guess - a lot of people correctly hypothesized that Spandain and Spandam's dad. But it doesn't seem like these kinds of predictitions happen a whole lot.

And what about Franky? Aside from some of the sketches in Color Walk that suggested cyborg characters and Oda's mention of wanting to write a robot manga, would anyone have immagined a cyborg character at all? Not to mention he started off looking like a potential big baddie of the Water 7 arc - the person Luffy would be fighting a la Buggy, Kuro, Don Krieg, Arlong, various BW agents, Wapol, ect. That's certainly not the case now.

Oda is very good at throwing his readership crazy plot twists, which is why my belief is firmly this: Franky is PROBABLY going to join, but since he HAS NOT joined yet, I'm not going to mortgage my house on it.

Personally, I think it's great that you have your opinion - you've made up your mind about this and you're standing by it with a promise to eat your words - literally - and then show us all the video if you're wrong (which is unlikely - you probably ARE right). I just personally prefer to be open to suggestions unless I REALLY think someone is completely wrong, which I find very rarely on this board (as most of the threads I post in are speculative, therefore no one is right or wrong).

unchipu

@gwar315:

I think Franky is going to be a pretty good (and comical) musician. I dont think anyone else who fights with musical weapons is going to work. It just dosent have alot of options. Kind of like Paulies ropes. Only so much can be done with the musical instrument thing. Anyone play Batien Katios for gamecube??

Even if Franky is an ok musician, it's not his speciality. As for saying musical weapons don't have a lot of variety, that's like saying kicks don't have a lot of variety, or swords don't have a lot of variety. It's not a very good argument. Just off the top of my head, there's the hypnosis possibility someone mentioned, and then the resonance effect which could be used to attack specific body parts using different frequencies. And who knows, there could be something like songs acting like spells, and if the song is played through to the end it brings a certain effect to the opponent. Also if they are a master musician, they might be able to use many different types of instruments which could be fun. The thing that's interesting about music as a weapon, is that music would attack from the inside, as opposed to most of the attacks we've seen so far which attack from the outside.

King Smack

I think that they are going to get both Paulie and Franky personally.. If they get a big ship. Remember Foxy's ship? I think it is going to be that size.. And Foxy had plenty of shipwrights (although the circumstances were a bit different) so I think that Paulie and Franky will both join.

I wouldn't be completely surprised if Kaku joined (I would be surprised, but not like when Robin joined) but Rob Lucci joining is.. Rob Lucci doesn't seem like the kind of guy that gets along with other people very well and probably wouldn't fit in a pirate crew. Kaku seems better in that department and probably the best out of all CP9 members

Dixxy Mouri

@unchipu:

Even if Franky is an ok musician, it's not his speciality. As for saying musical weapons don't have a lot of variety, that's like saying kicks don't have a lot of variety, or swords don't have a lot of variety. It's not a very good argument. Just off the top of my head, there's the hypnosis possibility someone mentioned, and then the resonance effect which could be used to attack specific body parts using different frequencies. And who knows, there could be something like songs acting like spells, and if the song is played through to the end it brings a certain effect to the opponent. Also if they are a master musician, they might be able to use many different types of instruments which could be fun. The thing that's interesting about music as a weapon, is that music would attack from the inside, as opposed to most of the attacks we've seen so far which attack from the outside.

The musical frequency person in this thread was me. Problem is, it was done in a filler and Oda gives the yay or nay on fillers based on whether or not he wants to do something with them in the future. . .

Blow dart clarinets anyone?

I think that they are going to get both Paulie and Franky personally.. If they get a big ship. Remember Foxy's ship? I think it is going to be that size.. And Foxy had plenty of shipwrights (although the circumstances were a bit different) so I think that Paulie and Franky will both join.

I wouldn't be completely surprised if Kaku joined (I would be surprised, but not like when Robin joined) but Rob Lucci joining is.. Rob Lucci doesn't seem like the kind of guy that gets along with other people very well and probably wouldn't fit in a pirate crew. Kaku seems better in that department and probably the best out of all CP9 members

I DOUBT it'll be a Foxy-sized ship, but it'll be bigger then the Going Merry for sure - I personally think it would be cute if Oda designed their individual rooms and we got to see their personalities, or sides of their personalities we didn't know about before. But that's just me. None the less, Foxy's ship was big because he had a crew of 500-something men and growing (plus lugging around all the stuff for DBFs. . .).

But you do raise an excellent point. They might need more than one shipwright if they're going to have a bigger ship. But if Paulie and/or Kaku joins in addition to Franky (assuming Franky joins), we need back stories on him/both of them. So far we have some insight into Paulie's background, as he is a gambler and hates scantily clad women, but we don't know much about Kaku.

Kaku, to me, seems like the "nice" CP9. It's almost like a "well. . . I really don't have anything PERSONAL against you, but I kind of have to kill you now" type thing (or at least that's the expression of Kaku I've gotten). Lucci is just an asshole, IMHO.

My other Kaku opinion is this: a theory I have stated in a few other threads is the possibility of an ex-Marine joining the Straw Hats, which DOES have historical context - English sailors left the British navy because the conditions on pirate ships were actually a lot better. Oda likes to use the names of historial pirates in One Piece and reference pirate lore - adding an ex-Marine would not only give the SHs INSANELY GOOD insight as to how the WG works - strategist, anyone? - but would fit into historical piracy as well. Kaku, a member of CP9, would fit the bill for this kind of job (and double as an assistant shipright).

The only problem would be that Kaku still isn't on great terms with the Straw Hats and his fight with Zoro did get a little nasty (not to mention the events in 420 couldn't have been good for his health). Robin was saved by Luffy AND tried to kill Crocodile - Kaku hasn't done anything of the sort.

Marines who COULD turn to the Straw Hats (using my own personal logic):

Jango: Duh. He was a pirate once. And even though it wasn't canon, he got along great with Luffy in the "Jango's Dance Carnival" short.

Tashigi: Her thing with Zoro is basically one big misunderstanding. If she knew about Kuina, I really, really think she'd respect him a whole lot more. Might not be enough for her to ditch the Marines, but it might make her question her beliefs.

unchipu

@Dixxy:

The musical frequency person in this thread was me. Problem is, it was done in a filler and Oda gives the yay or nay on fillers based on whether or not he wants to do something with them in the future. . .

Blow dart clarinets anyone?

From your previous post, I guess it was someone using a choir to mind control people? The musical frequency thing was more aimed at using them to destroy/damage parts of the body, like bones, or organs, etc. Unless that was done also. As far as I know, nothing in fillers or specials are considered canon, so I don't see why having a musician like this is a problem. Also, what I said were just examples, and probably someone like Oda would be able to think of much more creative ways of using a musician.
The point of my post, really, was just to show some possibilities for a musician crewmember, and why Franky shouldn't be the one to fill that role. The musician should really be a master of their art, just like how Sanji is a master cook, Nami is a master navigator, Chopper is a master doctor, etc. Franky is obviously a master shipwright, but nothing indicates he's a master musician.

Dixxy Mouri

@unchipu:

From your previous post, I guess it was someone using a choir to mind control people? The musical frequency thing was more aimed at using them to destroy/damage parts of the body, like bones, or organs, etc. Unless that was done also. As far as I know, nothing in fillers or specials are considered canon, so I don't see why having a musician like this is a problem. Also, what I said were just examples, and probably someone like Oda would be able to think of much more creative ways of using a musician.
The point of my post, really, was just to show some possibilities for a musician crewmember, and why Franky shouldn't be the one to fill that role. The musician should really be a master of their art, just like how Sanji is a master cook, Nami is a master navigator, Chopper is a master doctor, etc. Franky is obviously a master shipwright, but nothing indicates he's a master musician.

Thing is, in one of the SBS posts Oda said that he has to approve fillers based on whether or not a filler plot is something he wants to use later. For example, let's pretend that instead of the choir in the second filler, Toei wanted to use a cyborg. Since Oda (presumably) planned on using Franky, he could turn down Toei and say "no, I'll be using a cyborg later in the series". That means Oda's plans for a musician might not include musical fighting in this way, otherwise he wouldn't have let that filler make it to production.

Specifically, this SBS question referred to Devil Fruits, but it probably extends to these kinds of plot points as well.

gwar315

@unchipu:

From your previous post, I guess it was someone using a choir to mind control people? The musical frequency thing was more aimed at using them to destroy/damage parts of the body, like bones, or organs, etc. Unless that was done also. As far as I know, nothing in fillers or specials are considered canon, so I don't see why having a musician like this is a problem. Also, what I said were just examples, and probably someone like Oda would be able to think of much more creative ways of using a musician.
The point of my post, really, was just to show some possibilities for a musician crewmember, and why Franky shouldn't be the one to fill that role. The musician should really be a master of their art, just like how Sanji is a master cook, Nami is a master navigator, Chopper is a master doctor, etc. Franky is obviously a master shipwright, but nothing indicates he's a master musician.

First of all Sanji, Chopper, Nami. All of those characters have key roles. A musician isnt exactly a neccesity on a pirate ship. Sure it would be nice but if he is just playing all the time it would get old and it isnt needed. Franky would play when he wanted to but not all the time. That way he has multiple jobs. If all he did was play music he wouldnt be an important nakama like Chopper or the others.

Cr4zy

Wow, this topic is one hell of a quarrel.
@gwar315:

First of all Sanji, Chopper, Nami. All of those characters have key roles. A musician isnt exactly a neccesity on a pirate ship. Sure it would be nice but if he is just playing all the time it would get old and it isnt needed. Franky would play when he wanted to but not all the time. That way he has multiple jobs. If all he did was play music he wouldnt be an important nakama like Chopper or the others.

He'd be important to Luffy. Anyways, it doesn't matter what you or anyone here thinks. Cause in the end, Eiichiro Oda decides what happens. (unless you're right about what Oda does, then it matters)

Ok so we keep looking at Franky for joining the sh crew at the end of this saga for good reason. I mean ok oda likes cyborgs-franky is a cyborg, franky has been bonding with the sh by fighting alongside with them, franky's past has been revealed, franky has a dream of building a ship that sails the grandline, Tom foreshadowed that Franky was bound for bigger and better things then just being a shipwright. All these things plus probably a million more suggest franky is going to be the next member of sh crew but it just seems to predictable, and un oda like you know? :getlost: I'm definitely not against franky joining but I think that it would be too easy if franky joined and left his family behind and everything. I think Franky will more likely start his own pirate crew with his family come on it makes a lot of sense and most ppl wont see it coming but even that is doubtful. I realli do think instead Franky and iceburg will combine their talents to build the sh's a new ship which would add to their legend because arguablly the 2 greatest ship wrights in the world built them the battle merry (what i think the new name of their ship will be) but they wont have a shipwright. Franky wont go because he has his family, and just mended the bridges with iceberg. Then paulie will be talked into going by the lure of cash to gamble with but at the same time franky will realize that he cant stay because of his bounty and will go as well. So 2 new members will join instead of one, this also leaves oda some flexibility in future arcs to explain to paulies past like he did with zoro(more of a flash back but you get it) ,nami, and robin.

unchipu

@gwar315:

First of all Sanji, Chopper, Nami. All of those characters have key roles. A musician isnt exactly a neccesity on a pirate ship. Sure it would be nice but if he is just playing all the time it would get old and it isnt needed. Franky would play when he wanted to but not all the time. That way he has multiple jobs. If all he did was play music he wouldnt be an important nakama like Chopper or the others.

Well are archaeologists or swordsman key roles? I don't really think so, and like Mr.Prince said, a musician is a very key role to Luffy. Besides, who's to say that the musician would just be playing music all the time. Are Usopp or Chopper always doing stuff related to their roles? No. Most of the time you see them playing around with Luffy. Zoro is sleeping half the time, and Robin is mostly reading (which could be archaeology related but not necessarily). I still support the idea that the person to fill the musician spot should be someone who has a special talent for music, and has spent most of their life doing music related things.

G35TwinTurbo

@Dixxy:

Although myself and several others have mentioned this as a possibility:

Luffy: SUGEEEIIIII! You're a musician!? You should be in my crew!
Zoro or Nami or one of the others: Ah, Luffy, he's a shipwright -
Luffy: WE'VE NEEDED A MUSICIAN SINCE VOLUME ONE! YOU'RE SO IN THE CREW! Now we just need a shipwright!
Everybody: -.-*

It's funny you put that, i can totally see that happening, kinda made me laugh too

Dixxy Mouri

@G35TwinTurbo:

It's funny you put that, i can totally see that happening, kinda made me laugh too

Thank you, thank you, I'm here 'til Thursday, try the sushi! Hee, I love it when I amuse people.

I also wanted to address unchipu's post - they're absolutely right. The only one who spends most of her time doing just her job is Nami. Everyone else pitches in with running the rest of the ship.

gwar315

First of all I know that Oda can be unpredictable, but this time just face it, he wasnt. Franky is joining and I cant wait for this discussion to be over. Well just have to wait and see. But as for me, its basically just a number of chapters until he actually joins but there is no doubt he will join. I know this cause I am Oda's long lost brother, Ada, Ok? Any questions? As far as if a swordsman is neccassary, Zoro is more like the first mate who just happens to use a sword. But still is a neccassity cause he is like second in command and second strongest.

Dixxy Mouri

@gwar315:

First of all I know that Oda can be unpredictable, but this time just face it, he wasnt. Franky is joining and I cant wait for this discussion to be over. Well just have to wait and see. But as for me, its basically just a number of chapters until he actually joins but there is no doubt he will join. I know this cause I am Oda's long lost brother, Ada, Ok? Any questions? As far as if a swordsman is neccassary, Zoro is more like the first mate who just happens to use a sword. But still is a neccassity cause he is like second in command and second strongest.

The discussion will be over once we get a "yay" or a "nay" from Franky - until then, people are going to defend everyone from Franky to Mr. 3. And then people will start arguing over the next crewmember once someone says "you know, we probably want a ___ to join our crew."

gwar315

@Dixxy:

The discussion will be over once we get a "yay" or a "nay" from Franky - until then, people are going to defend everyone from Franky to Mr. 3. And then people will start arguing over the next crewmember once someone says "you know, we probably want a ___ to join our crew."

I can agree with that. But as far as Mr. 3? MMMMMMM I dont know about that. I think Paulie is a stretch so anyone from an arc as far back as alabasta is ridiculous. I mean thats like saying Kuro could come back or Arlong. Hell, even mr.13 and mrs. april fools day. (the vulture and otter).

UPRC

@Dixxy:

My other Kaku opinion is this: a theory I have stated in a few other threads is the possibility of an ex-Marine joining the Straw Hats, which DOES have historical context - English sailors left the British navy because the conditions on pirate ships were actually a lot better. Oda likes to use the names of historial pirates in One Piece and reference pirate lore - adding an ex-Marine would not only give the SHs INSANELY GOOD insight as to how the WG works - strategist, anyone? - but would fit into historical piracy as well. Kaku, a member of CP9, would fit the bill for this kind of job (and double as an assistant shipright).

Smoker please!

Dixxy Mouri

@UPRC:

Smoker please!

I don't think this would be someone of Smoker's rank, and I think Smoker is too dead-set on arresting Luffy to join him (but you never know). Tashigi, to me, seems like a viable option because her only thing against Zoro is a misunderstanding - if she learns what his ACTUAL goal is (and believes him), I think she'll at least come to an understanding with him.

If a Marine joins, it would most likely be someone around Jango or Fullbody's rank or lower. Certainly not one of the admirals or vice admirals, if you go to the other extreme. And as much as Koby and Luffy are friends, Koby's dream is to be a great Marine, not a Marine who defects to piracy.