Chapter 419 "The Legendary Hero" Discussion

[HTC]

@yokaiforte:

That would be extremely revolutionary if he could fit two vision dials on his goggles in his mask. It's even more revolutionary to have a camera that has a zoom that can make things perfect from that far of a distance.

Not necessarily. As far as i recall, vision dials were mentioned 2 times: once by Amazon with her camera, and once by Conis. However, in neither ocasions were we shown a vision dial or told how it works, right?
Gan Fall explained how fire dial, impact dial and a few others work, but not vison dial.

Usually, a sharpshooter uses only one eye when aiming so only 1 vision dial would be required.

[CosmicDebris]

@joekido:

The Buster Call is coming from the gate of justice. It sure opened wide, Kokoro said it never did.

Oh really? I didn't realize that. Well, that scratches the idea that the strawhats are trying to escape Buster Call by going through the GoJ.

[Deicide]

@ Deicide: i don't think it's cheating. If it were, then ussop's goggles were already doing that. Ofc, this is only my opinion.

They protect his eyes and allow him to see in conditions he could not see otherwise, like when aiming a target with the sun shining on his face. So far as I know, Oda has not mentioned them working as binoculars.

[changsho]

Life is beautiful

[Aldrich]

He just has unhuman visual acuity, that's all. After all having good eyes is part of the necessary skills for a sharpshooter, so it's only logical an exceptional marksman like Usopp would have exceptional sight.

[Ghokun]

Wouldn't it be cool, if they use the marine escort ship and sneak through the buster call without being noticed

[CosmicDebris]

@Deicide:

They protect his eyes and allow him to see in conditions he could not see otherwise, like when aiming a target with the sun shining on his face. So far as I know, Oda has not mentioned them working as binoculars.

Yeah, in the SBS Oda just said they have sunglasses to protect from glare…but then I always wonder what he's doing when he seems to be looking at something from a distance and twisting them around.

[Le Lawliet]

@CosmicDebris:

Yeah, in the SBS Oda just said they have sunglasses to protect from glare…but then I always wonder what he's doing when he seems to be looking at something from a distance and twisting them around.

Maybe adjusting the lens to make it clearer, like on binoculars.

Either way, I doubt that he has the space to put in dials.

[madgophermm5]

It is funny for some reason this chapter reminded me of Usopps filler episode in Logue town. The one where he had to hit that rooster thing on top of the house across the town.

[CosmicDebris]

Well, as pointed out before, that episode wasn't entirely filler since it appeared in a graphic novel from Oda before it aired in the anime…. I always felt that was somewhat telling of the future.

[Voodzik]

I say we see the TOJ fall next chapter….with Usopp still on top. This puts him in close proximity with Spandam for a fight AND gives the SH's a reason to charge over and take the escourt ship.

ANOTHER possibility is that the Buster Call will arive and Robin will knock the tower onto all the ships, destroying them.

[MasterDee]

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[MasterDee]

@Deicide:

Good vision is a part of a sharpshooter's skills.
I would not like if Usopp cheated to become a great sharpshooter.

What are you talking about? Snipers use scopes all the time. And those scopes are usually directly connected to their rifles making aiming far easier (just position the rifle so that the target is over the scope's crosshairs, and fire). Usopp's scopes on the other hand (assuming he's using scopes) are worn directly over his eyes. Therefore he would still need to rely on his own skills to accurately hit targets with his slingshot (he can't just sight and shoot). A scope would only allow him to see farther, and wouldn't really be a cheat at all. Besides do you think snipers of Van Auger's caliber don't use scopes to take down targets from miles away? Take a look at his eyepiece. I'm willing to bet that that's a scope he's using.

[gogoedward]

Sweet chapter. What's with the Usopp talk though, I mean everyone's gotten stronger, so of course Usopp's natural sniping and sharpshooting skills have gotten better since that's his main form of fighting.

My predicitons: I think the tower will collapse thanks to Luffy and Lucci's fight ending, some funny moments with Sogeking and Sanji and Zoro falling with it will happen. Everyone lands where Franky and Robin are, crew gets reunited and then something big with Spandam will happen.

In any case, Robin is back with the crew, now the only thing to worry about is stopping Spandam and escaping.

[Aldrich]

@Voodzik:

I say we see the TOJ fall next chapter….with Usopp still on top. This puts him in close proximity with Spandam for a fight AND gives the SH's a reason to charge over and take the escourt ship.

ANOTHER possibility is that the Buster Call will arive and Robin will knock the tower onto all the ships, destroying them.

If the Tower of Justice (it should be when the Tower of Justice) falls, it'll fall backwards into the waterfall. Beside, if they let the Buster Call ships approach that close, they're screwed.

I can only see them having a chance to damage the BC if they somehow can hit it by surprise before the ships start firing at EL. That if the Strawhats confront the BC of course, and just don't flee.

[HTC]

@Deicide:

They protect his eyes and allow him to see in conditions he could not see otherwise, like when aiming a target with the sun shining on his face. So far as I know, Oda has not mentioned them working as binoculars.

I was trying to find the chapter where ussop first gets his goggles but was unsuccessfull
In the Anime, when they are first introduced, that have zoom (that's what the rotating is for) and they have a dark glass cover (to protect from sun light, when aiming, i imagine), which can be open.

Look @ Van Auge's goggle: it looks like a miniature rifle's scope, doesn't it? And what do scopes have? Zoom abilities.

I went looking in skypeia chapters for references to vision dials and found this:

That thing where the flash was supposed to be seems to be part of the vision dial's shell no?

It seems vision dial records pictures and, if so, my theory is destroyed, since i thought that the camera part was doing that and the vision dial was the zoom part.
I was sooooo looking to prove my theory and it seems i did just the oposite, heh!

[Deicide]

I don't think Robin can knock the tower, no matter how many arms she make. I don't think she can push the tower to the abyss bellow Enies Lobby, much less pull it and throw it over the ships.

Also, the Tower will not fall so Usopp can get close to Spandam, because the tower is sliding to the side of the abyss, not the gate.

No, I think Sanji and Zoro will go to the tunnel. Meanwhile, Nami is creating a cloud so that Sogeking can shoot a milky road dial through it and form a path to the Gate of Justice

[lpzie]

@Greg:

But we simply got about 2.5 pages of SHOCKING revelation that wasn't shocking.

Things are usually repeated for emphesis. So if that scene wasn't fresh in your head, it was recalled and all of the emotions an individual has built up in thereself about it are carried over to the next few panels. I love how Oda does that. Very cool

Kinda like a computer. When reading a certain ch, you get feelings from it, and those are saved somewhere. Oda needed to bring those back up, and expand on them to get the few feeling behind the rest of the ch. =O I love it.

[Taleran]

I found this on another forum

I can picture it, in a bit of a panic Usopp fires one shot on the lead ship… it explodes, given all the gun powder and ammo it's carrying and then proceeds to blow up all the other ships in a row, then everyone just looks at Usopp in a amazed daze and even Usopp is amazed, before striking a Sogeking pose and making it seem like he did it on purpose.

this is what should happen to BC

[Aldrich]

Personnaly, I'd rather have him slip and fall from the Tower of Justice, get soccerkicked by Sanji and Zoro before he hits the ground, send to the Bridge of Hesitation where he'd fight Spandam, would nearly die five times before finally defeating him, all the while fighting pantsless, than see him destroy the BC accidentally.

Like Akainu would say, "if you're gonna do the job, do it thoroughly", if Oda wants to keep Usopp as a pathetic comic relief, than he should go all the way.

[Dr.Chopper]

i cringed so bad… oh god, that chapter was so good ~__~
thanks so much Battle Franky.

[ligeia]

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At the risk of saying something unpopular: I really hope Sogesopp doesn't defeat the Buster Call single-handedly. I'm not even going to try and predict what Oda's intending, but it's my opinion that if this scenario occurs, it'll be at the detriment to the storyline and many of the other characters (again: only my opinion).

[Deicide]

At the risk of saying something unpopular: I really hope Sogesopp doesn't defeat the Buster Call single-handedly. I'm not even going to try and predict what Oda's intending, but it's my opinion that if this scenario occurs, it'll be at the detriment to the storyline and many of the other characters (again: only my opinion).

I don't think the SH's will defeat the Buster Call this time. But I would like to see a "Sogeking vs. Buster Call" chapter where Sogeking opens a way throught the Buster Call ships somehow by using his skills of sharpshooting and trickery.

[King Smack]

nice (;

cant wait for english

[Cap'n Carter]

@ligeia:

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At the risk of saying something unpopular: I really hope Sogesopp doesn't defeat the Buster Call single-handedly. I'm not even going to try and predict what Oda's intending, but it's my opinion that if this scenario occurs, it'll be at the detriment to the storyline and many of the other characters (again: only my opinion).

I'm inclined to agree, actually. I think he'll have a hand in defeating/bypassing the Buster Call, but him destroying the whole thing is a bit… much.

Of course, they could always slip by the Buster Call, but what fun is that?

[Quexinos]

@CosmicDebris:

Oh, ok, it looked like he was talking to Sanji.

Don't tell me you actually think they might be dead.

I did, Im such an idiot, especially when Chopper said they got one of the king bull's retnas or something… I know Oda doesn't like killing people but geeze... oh well

Ussop rules, whoever said they think Luffy knows Ussop is Sogeking, I thought the same thing, the EXACT same thing of him saying "Come on Ussop" or just not even making a big deal of it. but well see ^_^

and I'd STILL like to see the Buster Call commence with only Spandam on the island =D

[odlam]

I'm inclined to agree, actually. I think he'll have a hand in defeating/bypassing the Buster Call, but him destroying the whole thing is a bit… much.

Of course, they could always slip by the Buster Call, but what fun is that?

Spandam is plenty enough IF he turns out to be powerful enough. His sword has one devil fruit, and if his shoes turn out to be more than just elephant themed, then this could get interesting.

I can already picture a pair of attack elephant bodyguards, one is a sword that ate an elephant fruit, and one is an elephant that ate a shoe df. So you'd have a Sanji and Zoro in elephant form defending Spandam.

Whatever the case is with Spandam, I think hes actually going to be one of the toughest CP9 members to bring down - his actual strength may be weak, but he made a boasting comment about DF technology I do believe, so it may turn out that hes geared out the ass in DF assessments. This would also fit because Ussop is a relatively weak physical fighter whose very very tricky and versatile, and Spandam would basically be the same deal except evil.

Plus he and Lucchi are the heads of CP9 - Spandam is the head, but Lucchi is the strongest member, so the sort of quasi fit in the with the old Luffy and Ussop arrangement where Ussop was always trying to say he was the captain (even though its really Luffy) - Ussop gets to prove his own against the real "captain" of CP9.

I mean, Oda wants to make Ussopp into a "legendary hero", and Spandam is just the perfect peice of villain slime to bring down in both importance and evilness, it works quite nicely.

[thesamuraipanda]

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[CosmicDebris]

@HTC:

I was trying to find the chapter where ussop first gets his goggles but was unsuccessfull

That's because it was cut. See SBS:
Chapter 113 (Page 104)

Are those glasses that Usopp wears when he fights?
O: Those are goggles. "Sniper goggles". At first he only wore them for looks, but in Loguetown he got the brand new model from "North Blue". The scene on the right was supposed to be the first page of chapter 98, in volume 11. The number of pages went over the limit, so we scrapped it. It's got sunglasses on it to eliminate glare when he's aiming, and it can flip up and turn around and stuff like that, so Usopp really liked it.
(Page on the right)
Usopp: Hmmmm? Hmmmm. Ooooooh. Damn!! I like these goggles!!
Lady: You got an eye for the good stuff. That's the newest model from "North Blue". It came with the Marines when their annual import ship came by.
Usopp: I also want this watch, and this magnet! Oh, don't you have any raw eggs?! Lady: Go to the supermarket for that!!

I can't see the frames, so I don't know if he plays around with them like he does in the anime.

@Cap'n:

I'm inclined to agree, actually. I think he'll have a hand in defeating/bypassing the Buster Call, but him destroying the whole thing is a bit… much.

Of course, they could always slip by the Buster Call, but what fun is that?

I agree too, I think a good show of complete teamwork in which everyone plays a vital part would be best.

[Myoti]

Maybe it was a big deal to her but is that a need to waste space with flashbacks etc. on?

I would just like to point out that it was five (count them, five) quite small panels of flashback. Compare that to the flashbacks in say, oh, Naruto, where they make constant flashbacks to the previous chapter.

Used correctly, flashbacks can be great, especially at comveying emotion. Oda hasn't done alot of quick flashbacks like this, but I think he managed to pull this off just fine (again, they were small and few, so it wasn't that much of a "waste").

You know what would really be the kicker? Spandam joining Buggy's crew after all this.

Indeed. Can't decide if I'd want to see that or having him making some sort of circus or… ooh, wait. Joining Buggy's crew, animal-characters, circus-theme...

ROFL WAFL. XD

[KamenRiderNeko]

such a great chapter, it made me so happy that I cried XD

ooh can't wait to see what comes next excited as hell

[Ceestar]

@thesamuraipanda:

Superb chapter even better than what spoiler made it seem, which is suprising. Now we know for certainty Usopp's official job within the crew is sniper not ship handyman or inventor. Hey I just thought of something. Luffy's, Zoro's and Usopp's official roles in the crew are the only combat roles. Sanji is the cook, Nami the navigator, Chopper the doctor and Robin is the archaeologist. They are all support roles. The only combat roles are sniper, swordsman and the captain who is supposed to protect everyone. I think this means Usopp along with Sanji, even though he is support, Zoro and Luffy will form the main offensive block of the crew. That would be pretty neat if so.

My thoughts are that their roles of the ship have nothing to do with who fights. We've seen by now most of the action is given to Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. Nami, Usopp and Chopper often (Chopper sometimes) tend to run away and hide, but we know they are strong and will fight if they have to, and Robin…well she fights too, cause she's strong as well.
I think by the end of the series Usopp will have become more of a main fighter, probably because he's 'gone up against the government' so he'll probably be braver. But him being a coward is funny ^^

Anyway, scary aim by Usopp! I saw the distance and was WO! O_O
Even with a scope, Spandam would have been really small and would have taken one steady hand to have hit him like that! And all the marines too. Of course we could expect nothing less from the sniper of the Straw Hat crew ^^

[thesamuraipanda]

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[freedom]

@Deicide:

No, I think Sanji and Zoro will go to the tunnel. Meanwhile, Nami is creating a cloud so that Sogeking can shoot a milky road dial through it and form a path to the Gate of Justice

This would be soooooooooooo awesome Oda showed us the milky dial in Usopp's arsenal, and i've been waiting a long time to see how Usopp would use it.

i've been saying this for a while, but i'm beginning to believe it more and more that the SHs will fight the BC. i think all this build up is either for the defeat of the BC, for the SHs to go to ID, or to MHQ.
I think it's too early for them to go to MHQ.
ID would be cool, but unless it's to resurrect a tortured and still alive Tom, there's no reason to go to ID.
That leaves the currently present BC to be the SHs next victim

[Eggy]

my eyes are watery now that I've finished reading this chapter
sniffles

[Cap'n Carter]

I thought that Milky Dials don't work on the blue sea…

[igetownd]

@Cap'n:

I thought that Milky Dials don't work on the blue sea…

I wonder if there are exceptions to the rule, especially in a low pressure circumstance.

[Polygon]

@Cap'n:

I thought that Milky Dials don't work on the blue sea…

**They don't. But Oda probaley gave them to Ussop for a reason. I don't see the point in mentioning that they don't work on the blue seas unless Ussop somehow is able to use them one way or another.

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That said awesome chapter, and thanks to all those who helped with the translation and raw.

Now I'm almost certain Kabuto has some kind of speed enhancing mechanism. How else would he hit with such accuracy despite the wind. Even the guns couldn't reach him, they called it impossible.

But what would be awesome is creating an illusion (using dials,of course) of 8,000 Ussop's behind him, that would kickass. I also expect him to announce he is the Sniper of the strawhats with pride. And maybe, just maybe, say he is the son of Yassop. I wonder wht the reactions of the marines and Spandam would be? though it probaley won't happen.**

[Natty Bumppo]

great chapter. glad they finally got to Robin. i wish i could like Ussop for the sake of this chapter, but i hate him so much, that i cant find too much pleasure in him doing all that stuff he did. still great chapter, makes me really wonder whats going to happen next.

[Onigumo]

Well, Natty, when Usopp was first introduced, I didn't like him either. But he eventually grew on me. Now I like him a lot. How long have you been watching One Piece? Maybe you just need to get to know him better.

[Dr.Chopper]

Lol… when i saw the first half of the two page spread, i ran to my bed and rammed my head into my pillow ~___~ mmm so awesome.
Anyways enough of my random rants.
btw, the idea with the nose helping Usopp aim is a REALLY cool idea! Though i kinda doubt it, that'd totally be different and something no other sniper could use to their advantage (since the only ppl who have long noses so far is kaku and usopp) xD

[CosmicDebris]

@Natty:

i wish i could like Ussop for the sake of this chapter, but i hate him so much, that i cant find too much pleasure in him doing all that stuff he did.

Boooooo throws tomatoes

Still have a hard time understanding how anyone hates any of the strawhats.

@Dr.Chopper:

btw, the idea with the nose helping Usopp aim is a REALLY cool idea! Though i kinda doubt it, that'd totally be different and something no other sniper could use to their advantage (since the only ppl who have long noses so far is kaku and usopp) xD

I've heard that theory before. ^^
Well, there's also Arlong…and the Squares' noses are kind of long...I swear, they look related to Usopp....

[lammyduck]

@Silveril:

did we ever see someone die in OP (not counting flashback) ? xD.. They are not dead. they were defeated for a undetermined amount of time

Sure, we saw the death of the Super Duck Squad after they drank their powerup water and we're told they were given super strength in exchange for their life. That's no flashback.

Also Belami (Spring Guy) was killed by Doflamingo.

[Natty Bumppo]

ive seen all the One Piece episodes, movies (except 7th), and tv specials; seen all the fansubs: K-F, Gerusama, ADC, and those that did the Foxy Arc; and ive read all the One Piece chapters. and i think i finally know why i dont like him, unfortunately its to embarrasing to say and it might offend people even more, therefore i wont say it.

i am sorry if i offended anyone. i really really truly am.

[CosmicDebris]

@Natty:

ive seen all the One Piece episodes, movies (except 7th), and tv specials; seen all the fansubs: K-F, Gerusama, ADC, and those that did the Foxy Arc; and ive read all the One Piece chapters. and i think i finally know why i dont like him, unfortunately its to embarrasing to say and it might offend people even more, therefore i wont say it.
i am sorry if i offended anyone. i really really truly am.

Embarrassing? Now I'm curious. Nosephobia? XD
It's ok, you're entitled to your opinion. You're not the only person in the world that doesn't like a One Piece character. It just makes me kind of sad. It's almost like someone hating a good friend.

[taboo]

What! Someone doesn't like USOPP!???!1 Release the hounds!

[Kenechi]

I bet it's because he has a big nose, and maybe you think he looks Hebrew?

[Moosteak]

What an amazing chapter, it was great. I can't believe it's where it is. I really wonder if Spanda has any chance of posing a threat with Sogeking sniping from way afar, and with Franky/Robin right there. I wonder if we'll see a bloodlust Robin who almost goes too far, but is brought back by Franky who's suffered the same pain. Many people are feeling that there is no "going too far" pain-wise with Spandam, because he's been consistently evil. It was nice to have his history confirmed, and god damn he manages to become even more evil then before.

Like other people have said, from here the story can go in so many exciting directions and there’s no way to know what will happen next.

Usopp is pretty much a badass. Also about whether Luffy knows or not, it can truly go either way. It could be that Luffy knows enough about Usopp’s pride to play along with him, or it could be that he’s just plain oblivious to things. Yup this manga rocks so hard.

[ElZacko]

I decided to try scanlating myself just for fun and I think I did a pretty good MQ scan, I might just start doing this every week:

Edit: Sorry, during the upload the numbers of the pages got jumbled for whatever reason but they are numbered so its not that confusing.

http://rapidshare.de/files/25800991/Prince_Scans_-_OP_419_MQ.rar.html

[kballero]

THANKS ElZacko, seems really nice. hope you do more of it and fast as this one ^^

in page 6: spandam saysthe buster call wil… an L is missing: the buster call will...

hehe, really nice scanlation