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    • Caracal
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      I've often heard people pick at One Piece because "Luffy never trains". He (suposedly) gets stronger between each arc without actually training. But I personally don't think he needs to. For a start, as Robin pointed out, anyone with the Will of D is natrually strong, so why does Luffy need to lift weights to develop this already useful gift? Is it even possible? Perhaps he is already at his limit and unable to get any stronger. Perhaps all training would do is mearly tire him out.

      Second, Luffy mainly grows by using his powers in unique ways. While it may be filler, Luffy was inspired to make Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel because he saw the Pinwheel on Genzo's hat. He didn't spend hours training to come up with it, he mearly looked at an everyday object and realise he could mimic it in battle. So again, why does he need to train when he also seems to be able to natrually think up abilities either before or mid battle? And can't we classify Gear 2 and 3 as being mearly powerful attacks? Based on the idea that he can create attack ideas whenever he wants, why does it matter that he didn't train to create them?

      Finally, I supose people think that each villain is stronger than the last like in other Shonen series. However can you really see someone like Foxy being stronger than Crocodile and Enel? Personally I don't view any of the opponents prior to Aokiji as being stronger. They just have their own personal ability ( i.e. Buggy's Bara Bara,Kuro and Kreig's weapons, Crocodile and Enel's Logia ability) that gives hem a benefit in battle. However, if taken away I feel they'd be pretty much equal. Kuro relies on his speed and claws to finish off an opponent. However Buggy is immune to blades, and personally I don't think he'd be able to keep up with Kuro's speed. Do you think Crocodile an Enel would be a major threat if they didn't have their sand/electric powers? All Luffy does to beat them is to find and exploit their weakness - remove Kuro and Kreig's weapons, find the elemental weakness for Crocodile and Enel's Logia power, prevent Buggy from seperating his body.

      Of course this is just my opinion, but the fact Luffy doesn't train for say fifty hours to gain the power to beat his opponent, instead relying on his natrual strength, his ability to create an ability at the drop of a hat and exploit an opponent's weakness and the fact the next opponent isn't stronger than the last is one of the things I like about One Piece i comparison to other Shonen series.

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        I love the fact that One Piece avoids many shonen cliches, it just some people think that using a technique like gears would take training. Luffy kinda pulled it out of nowhere. You are right about not having to train sometimes, it's just Luffy gears are a very advanced technique that even luffy should'nt have done without atleast practicing, but you make a very good argument

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          Thanks. I probably could have written my arguments a bit better, but often it seems what I write doesn't sound as good as it did in my head.

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            I believe Luffy does train when he feels like it. For some reason many people think Luffy and the rest don't train because we don't see them. And on that same not, people think Zoro does train. I'm sure every SH trains in their own way. Also keep in mind it has only been a month since OP started. Luffy doesn't need to train every day like he did back home because he gets to fight people just about every weak.

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              @Caracal:

              I've often heard people pick at One Piece because "Luffy never trains". He (suposedly) gets stronger between each arc without actually training. But I personally don't think he needs to. For a start, as Robin pointed out, anyone with the Will of D is natrually strong, so why does Luffy need to lift weights to develop this already useful gift? Is it even possible? Perhaps he is already at his limit and unable to get any stronger. Perhaps all training would do is mearly tire him out.

              Yea. There is only so far his regular strength could go. That said, in response to that, he requires to use his rubber body to its fullest potential, like the Gears. in that, there was only about a day for him to actually train after Ao Kiji before they reached the Water 7 fiasco.

              Second, Luffy mainly grows by using his powers in unique ways. While it may be filler, Luffy was inspired to make Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel because he saw the Pinwheel on Genzo's hat. He didn't spend hours training to come up with it, he mearly looked at an everyday object and realise he could mimic it in battle. So again, why does he need to train when he also seems to be able to natrually think up abilities either before or mid battle? And can't we classify Gear 2 and 3 as being mearly powerful attacks? Based on the idea that he can create attack ideas whenever he wants, why does it matter that he didn't train to create them?

              I agree completely with this statement.

              In any case, anything Luffy could possibly do left is to manipulate his rubber body to its fullest possible. For example. Storm is an attack that does not rely on brute force, but the manipulation of rubber. Compared to Axe, which is clearly a stronger single attack but is not as devastating because Storm comes in many punches. In that, training on the Going Merry may not be the best idea, otherwise we'd see more scars.

              In such, Luffy also just does what he believes is best. Even if he doesn't know quite why. Like his fireworks and golden peony on Raigoh. I remember in an SBS in which Oda says that Luffy didn't know how it worked. I'm thinking he probably thought that he'd just smash the large ball in all points to break it up.

              Finally, I supose people think that each villain is stronger than the last like in other Shonen series. However can you really see someone like Foxy being stronger than Crocodile and Enel? Personally I don't view any of the opponents prior to Aokiji as being stronger. They just have their own personal ability ( i.e. Buggy's Bara Bara,Kuro and Kreig's weapons, Crocodile and Enel's Logia ability) that gives hem a benefit in battle. However, if taken away I feel they'd be pretty much equal. Kuro relies on his speed and claws to finish off an opponent. However Buggy is immune to blades, and personally I don't think he'd be able to keep up with Kuro's speed. Do you think Crocodile an Enel would be a major threat if they didn't have their sand/electric powers? All Luffy does to beat them is to find and exploit their weakness - remove Kuro and Kreig's weapons, find the elemental weakness for Crocodile and Enel's Logia power, prevent Buggy from seperating his body.

              Right. What I'm thinking is that this shows influence from the guy he worked for before: Nobushiro Watsuki of Rurouni Kenshin. In Rurouni Kenshin, Enishi, the final villain of the series, is noted by Sano and Saito to be weaker than Shishio. And that would most likely be correct, as Enishi's Watojutsu is what made him rather tricky to kenshin, as the style pretty much had every technique to counter Hiten Mitsurugi, even the Ougi. However, what ultimately just slowed down Kenshin was his condition. However, that doesn't mean that Enishi was as strong as Shishio.

              Of course this is just my opinion, but the fact Luffy doesn't train for say fifty hours to gain the power to beat his opponent, instead relying on his natrual strength, his ability to create an ability at the drop of a hat and exploit an opponent's weakness and the fact the next opponent isn't stronger than the last is one of the things I like about One Piece i comparison to other Shonen series.

              What I think most people forget is that Luffy is not a fighter. He's a pirate. Sure, fighting plays a big part in his conquest. However, the only person who really wishes to be the best fighter in an area is Zoro.

              Now, what is really something is the amount of time he has to train on the Grandline. From Little Garden to Enies Lobby, there were approximately 10 days out at sea according to Roman Zaenom's post on the time. approximately one week was traveling to Alabasta from Drum. That leaves one day going to Drum, one day going to Jaya, and one day to Water 7. In that time, Luffy's biggest exponential growth in training would have to be in the traveling to Alabasta time. And that on its own leaves little time for growth for the rest of the time.

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                @Octogon:

                Also keep in mind it has only been a month since OP started.

                huh 1 month wtf are you talking about?

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                  im pretty sure its been longer than a month >_>

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                    Well, you all need to look at this then.

                    http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=165507&postcount=49

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                      @yokaiforte:

                      Well, you all need to look at this then.

                      http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=165507&postcount=49

                      **As the super-post dictates, one month. Which is why I think we havn't seen the SH training that much. though I do think they train. In one month the crew has fought:

                      Alvida
                      Axe-Hand Morgan
                      Buggy the Clown and crew $15.000.000
                      Don Krieg and crew $17.000.000
                      "Saw-Nosed" Arlong and crew $ 20.000.000
                      Shichbukai, Crocodile $ 81.000.000 (former) and BW
                      Enel and his subjects
                      Played Davy Back Fight
                      AoKiji (3 on 1)
                      Taking on CP9 and 10,000 marines/WG officials

                      With that many fights a lot of training isn't neccary.**

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                        Also.. Since OP started, how many days have elapsed in the story's time? 2 weeks? Do we even really know? Getting to fight all those strong opponents in such a short span is training in itself, especially when each one is so different then the last

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                          @King:

                          Also.. Since OP started, how many days have elapsed in the story's time? 2 weeks? Do we even really know? Getting to fight all those strong opponents in such a short span is training in itself, especially when each one is so different then the last

                          It's been around a month.

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                            **As the super-post dictates, one month. Which is why I think we havn't seen the SH training that much. though I do think they train. In one month the crew has fought:

                            Alvida
                            Axe-Hand Morgan
                            Buggy the Clown and crew $15.000.000
                            Don Krieg and crew $17.000.000
                            "Saw-Nosed" Arlong and crew $ 20.000.000
                            Shichbukai, Crocodile $ 81.000.000 (former) and BW
                            Enel and his subjects
                            Played Davy Back Fight
                            AoKiji (3 on 1)
                            Taking on CP9 and 10,000 marines/WG officials

                            With that many fights a lot of training isn't neccary.**

                            Actually, the real list would be:
                            Alvida
                            Axe-Hand Morgan
                            Buggy the Clown and crew $15.000.000
                            Don Krieg and crew $17.000.000
                            "Saw-Nosed" Arlong and crew $ 20.000.000

                            Shichbukai, Crocodile $ 81.000.000 (former) and BW
                            Enel and his subjects
                            Played Davy Back Fight
                            AoKiji (3 on 1)
                            Taking on CP9 and 10,000 marines/WG officials
                            So, Over all, they've just taken down Croc, Enel, Davy Back, Ao Kiji, and the CP9.

                            In that, only ten days at sea. And they travel when on land. I doubt they train on land, like on drum, to get rid of Nami's illness, alabasta, to get rid of Croc, Skypiea, to get rid of the priests/God, and Water 7, not exactly time to train during then.

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                              @yokaiforte:

                              Actually, the real list would be:
                              Alvida
                              Axe-Hand Morgan
                              Buggy the Clown and crew $15.000.000
                              Don Krieg and crew $17.000.000
                              "Saw-Nosed" Arlong and crew $ 20.000.000

                              Shichbukai, Crocodile $ 81.000.000 (former) and BW
                              Enel and his subjects
                              Played Davy Back Fight
                              AoKiji (3 on 1)
                              Taking on CP9 and 10,000 marines/WG officials
                              So, Over all, they've just taken down Croc, Enel, Davy Back, Ao Kiji, and the CP9.

                              In that, only ten days at sea. And they travel when on land. I doubt they train on land, like on drum, to get rid of Nami's illness, alabasta, to get rid of Croc, Skypiea, to get rid of the priests/God, and Water 7, not exactly time to train during then.

                              **Actually I was counting the entire story, but yeah if you only include the GL.

                              I personally believe they would train if they ahd more time in between. But alas they don't.**

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                                **Actually I was counting the entire story, but yeah if you only include the GL.**The entire Grandline trip is one month.
                                **> I personally believe they would train if they ahd more time in between. But alas they don't.

                                I think that in the short time they have, it shows their battle genius in tight situations.**

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                                  @yokaiforte:

                                  The entire Grandline trip is one month.

                                  True, but east blue was only a a few days at most. It was less that a week for sure. So it wouldn't hurt to put the east blue villians as well. The time is still around a lonth even with east blue.

                                  I think that in the short time they have, it shows their battle genius in tight situations.

                                  Yep, true that.

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                                    Its not a month i can tell you that there are still times when they where on the sea for weeks or so you dont go from one island 2 another in 10 mins thats just dumb.. that timeline thing isnt accurate at all if you think its a month then rofl at you

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                                      Its not a month i can tell you that there are still times when they where on the sea for weeks or so you dont go from one island 2 another in 10 mins thats just dumb.. that timeline thing isnt accurate at all if you think its a month then rofl at you

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                                      It IS accurate enoughf to tell that it was around a month. NO mattter how many times you look, there are no flaws.**

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                                        Luffy is living proof that you do not need to train to become strong.er All he does most of the time is eat and sleep, but is still fit and strong.

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                                          Only if u live in a fantasy world. But since this is fantasy, I'm okay with Luffy not training anymore.

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                                            @Octogon:

                                            **:wassat:

                                            It IS accurate enoughf to tell that it was around a month. NO mattter how many times you look, there are no flaws.**

                                            lol w.e think what you want because that timeline just doesnt add up

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                                              @Octogon:

                                              True, but east blue was only a a few days at most. It was less that a week for sure. So it wouldn't hurt to put the east blue villians as well. The time is still around a lonth even with east blue.

                                              Yeah… but there's like four days of celebration of arlong park... and some other stufff... eh, nevermind, let's round it to a month.

                                              lol w.e think what you want because that timeline just doesnt add up

                                              …you're in denial. With a timeline that specifically explains the evidence, you can't beat the facts. Roman Zaenom clearly explained his logic.

                                              Look, if it makes you feel any better for your logic, don't forget that we don't know how the currents of the Grand Line work.

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                                                Maybe we don't see Luffy train because Oda doesn't want to draw him training.

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                                                Good thing that everytime I'm afraid I'll have the will to live I can browse Arlong Park have it utterly eliminated

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                                                  …as I said earlier, Luffy and co are short on time to train.

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                                                    im not in denial i just dont think it adds up to 1 month because there is still those times in the show where we see them sailing from no where and it could be weeks for them being out at the sea

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                                                      It's possible. I really think that going through all those stuffs in just 1 month is a bit too much… If you ask me, I rather go by the anime and add in the filler days.

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                                                        im not in denial i just dont think it adds up to 1 month because there is still those times in the show where we see them sailing from no where and it could be weeks for them being out at the sea

                                                        The Grand Line is a CHAIN of ISLANDS. NOT an Atlantic or Pacific ocean. There's not that much water between each island. A few days to each island is all they need.

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                                                          @yokaiforte:

                                                          Well, you all need to look at this then.

                                                          http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=165507&postcount=49

                                                          There's something wrong with the timeline. They had a four day rest after they were beaten by Ao Kiji.

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                                                            @Octogon:

                                                            **:wassat:

                                                            It IS accurate enoughf to tell that it was around a month. NO mattter how many times you look, there are no flaws.**

                                                            There is a flaw. When Nami was going to arlong park she had flashbacks that weren't shown in real time, stuff that happened in between arcs(luffy fixing the ship, etc) Do you really think that islands are that close and they hop islands? The grandline wouldn't be such a fearsome place if the islands were so close. And whitebeard would be there by now.

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                                                              @WeAllEatFood:

                                                              There is a flaw. When Nami was going to arlong park she had flashbacks that weren't shown in real time, stuff that happened in between arcs(luffy fixing the ship, etc)

                                                              He wasn't counting Flashbacks. He was going by the information presented in each chapter.

                                                              Do you really think that islands are that close and they hop islands? The grandline wouldn't be such a fearsome place if the islands were so close. And whitebeard would be there by now.

                                                              Like I said. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE GRAND LINE CURRENTS WORK.

                                                              It's Oda's manga, jeez, besides Gear 2nd's explanation, science doesn't belong in One Piece. It's so… out of place.

                                                              There's something wrong with the timeline. They had a four day rest after they were beaten by Ao Kiji.

                                                              He said it was 90 % accurate. So why worry about the other 3%? 😉

                                                              Either way, it's about 32 days. Still approximately a month.

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                                                                @yokaiforte:

                                                                He wasn't counting Flashbacks. He was going by the information presented in each chapter.

                                                                Like I said. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE GRAND LINE CURRENTS WORK.

                                                                It's Oda's manga, jeez, besides Gear 2nd's explanation, science doesn't belong in One Piece. It's so… out of place.

                                                                He said it was 90 % accurate. So why worry about the other 3%? 😉

                                                                Either way, it's about 32 days. Still approximately a month.

                                                                She wasn't recalling a flashback, but a memory she had with the crew not shown. This was time not shown in the manga on their journey. So what you are trying to tell me is once they leave an island they arrive at the next one same day?

                                                                So what about the other 7 percent?

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                                                                  @WeAllEatFood:

                                                                  She wasn't recalling a flashback, but a memory she had with the crew not shown. This was time not shown in the manga on their journey. So what you are trying to tell me is once they leave an island they arrive at the next one same day?

                                                                  1. The timeline accounts for their time in the grandline from Little Garden to Enies Lobby. the Nami flashback was part of the arlong arc.

                                                                  2. Roman Zaenom's calculations are based on what Oda gave us

                                                                  So what about the other 7 percent?

                                                                  It's a joke.

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