Angesty in One Piece

[joekido the Second]

I heard some people don't want angesty in One Piece. Why? I mean does the Luffy Vs. Usopp figth angesty enough?

Some people like angesty in some stories but it makes it looks cool. So when people complained about angesty in Naruto, why do they get glad that angesty is not found in One Piece?

Sometimes One Piece gets serious but I see some angest in One Piece:

Bellemere getting shot, Nami crying

Robin stuffered for 20 years

Franky's hate towards the Governmet

Luffy Vs. Usopp

Klabutermann

So I wonder why some fans don't want any angesty/gothic elements in One Piece?

IMO I think it's cool to add them sometimes in One Piece.

[Metalvirus]

Because angsty people deserved to be slapped. Oh how I would love to meet Sasuke, and tell him Robins past, and how she is dealing with it now, and tell him that he doesnt have it that bad. There isnt agnst in OP. Some parts are sad, but they arnt like, "I feel so bad for myself. I have to be unsocial, and be a loner" There is nothing "cool" about that IMO.

[joekido the Second]

Well I'll respect your opition.

Sometimes stories need to have an character with anti-social loneiness and we'll need that in One Piece

[Metalvirus]

Robin does that pretty fine, but she does it without the complaining. And thanks for being mature, and not bashing for a different opinion than yours :).

[Shanks D. Chopper]

Those bits aren't angst at all.
Luffy vs. Usopp wasn't angst. That was a disagreement. An argument. It was Usopp standing up for himself. And it was Luffy realizing he'd not appreciated Usopp as much as he should of. That was character development.
Bellmere getting shot and Nami crying? Angsty? Get out. Would you cry if you saw your mum get shot? I bet you would. Sure, Bellmere wasn't Nami's real mum. But wasn't Bellmere always saying that they were a real family. Nami was only young, of course she cried.
Robin's suffering was not meant to be angsty. It was meant to show why she did what she did. I think it did it well.
Franky's hate towards the goverment is hardly angsty. Does Franky sit in his hideout and cry about it? Like, seriously? No. F*ck, you might as well say that Buggy hating Shanks is angsty.
And you've lost me with Klabutermann, I must've missed that bit.
My point is there isn't any angst in One Piece. Anger and sadness, yes. But no angst. We don't want angst in One Piece because angst is, frankly, pathetic.

[joekido the Second]

So sadness is differant from angesty no?

I wonder what would happen if Oda add someone like Sasaku in his story?

[Rat]

One Piece DOES have angst; what it lacks is wangst, or whiny angst. Ordinary angst happens in everyday life, like when you remember that time your dog died and how it, like, sucked and stuff. Wangst is when you remember how your dog died, and become a stupid bitchy little attention whore over it who doesn't know how to deal with their problems and move on.

[Bellamy]

I'd say there's bits of it here and there in One Piece… Not all the drama counst as angst certainly, but there's parts that I'd categorize as such.

However, that doesn't nessecarily mean it's problem, I don't see any automatic connotation with angst and bad writing.

Edit: Well then, Rat beat me to it. That's pretty much what I mean, yeah.

[joekido the Second]

@Rat:

One Piece DOES have angst; what it lacks is wangst, or whiny angst. Ordinary angst happens in everyday life, like when you remember that time your dog died and how it, like, sucked and stuff. Wangst is when you remember how your dog died, and become a stupid bitchy little attention whore over it who doesn't know how to deal with their problems and move on.

Woah, that's very clear, Rat. Good term you got there, it now makes since angasty means sad but saying OP don't have angasty would partook sadness. Wangst should be the word to use.

[CosmicDebris]

@Rat:

One Piece DOES have angst; what it lacks is wangst, or whiny angst. Ordinary angst happens in everyday life, like when you remember that time your dog died and how it, like, sucked and stuff. Wangst is when you remember how your dog died, and become a stupid bitchy little attention whore over it who doesn't know how to deal with their problems and move on.

Haha, that's great, I'll have to add "wangst" to my vocabulary. XD

I think the term "angst" has simply gotten a bad wrap on the internet because of the overuse of it, mostly referring to whiney teens on Myspace. But there is nothing wrong with angst, it's almost impossible to have stories without it.

The Oxford online dictionary gives this definition:

n : a profound feeling of generalized anxiety or dread.

And the word is ANGST, joekido. "Angsty" is an adjective that people came up with to describe such people as whiney teens, it's actually not a real word.

[joekido the Second]

@CosmicDebris:

Haha, that's great, I'll have to add "wangst" to my vocabulary. XD

I think the term "angst" has simply gotten a bad wrap on the internet because of the overuse of it, mostly referring to whiney teens on Myspace. But there is nothing wrong with angst, it's almost impossible to have stories without it.

The Oxford online dictionary gives this definition:

n : a profound feeling of generalized anxiety or dread.

And the word is ANGST, joekido. "Angsty" is an adjective that people came up with to describe such people as whiney teens, it's actually not a real word.

My bad, thanks CD. Okay so there is Angst in One Piece but there is no whiny characters. Wait a minute, was Vivi's a whiner? She always cries about the Alabastan affair. Does anyone thought of that?

[CosmicDebris]

I know some people think Vivi was whiney, but I don't. It's not like she was upset that her parents wouldn't let her watch TV or her dog died, she was trying to stop her whole country from being taken over by an evil man, her father framed and seeing people she loved kill each other and get assasinated.

[COWMAKAZE]

@Rat:

One Piece DOES have angst; what it lacks is wangst, or whiny angst. Ordinary angst happens in everyday life, like when you remember that time your dog died and how it, like, sucked and stuff. Wangst is when you remember how your dog died, and become a stupid bitchy little attention whore over it who doesn't know how to deal with their problems and move on.

Congratulations! You just invented the most useful word of the year! I thank you for your addition to the English language - there is now a word to differentiate between the dictionary definition of "angst" (i.e. what you described as angst) and the definition the word has taken on today (i.e. what you described as wangst).

I believe I am the one that you were referring to, joekido, probably from the OP VS Naruto thread? I have no problem with Rat's definition of "angst". However, wangst is terrible, and it's terrible because it is annoying to the nth degree. It is okay to be sad. Everyone is sad - it's an emotion just like happy and angry and scared, and if a character is never sad they are not realistic and the audience can not relate with them. However, a whiny character simply makes me want to leave a "Luffy-VS-Bellamy-esque" fistprint in the whiner's face. We get you're sad. Big deal. The worst part is that wangst is usually about something which, in the grand scheme of things, does not matter in the SLIGHTEST - it's just a bunch of people feeling sorry for themselves. One of my biggest gripes with it, however, is the fact that teenagers eat the shit up. Angst is the EASIEST emotion to write, and takes no skill whatsoever - a retarded baby monkey with one hand and no thumbs could type a realistic angsty character. Yet the writers that feed on this make way more money than the ones that write really complex, difficult characters. All because some emo teenager decided they like to read about other people feeling sorry for themselves because they, too, feel sorry for themselves? Please. I'm one of the biggest geeks at my school (admittedly), constantly and I'm the same age as all these self-sorry shitheads and I couldn't be happier, because even if something bad happens I shrug it off because I know it won't matter in a month. Yeah, some of them actually have the mental condtion of depression, I get it - it runs in my family, don't think I don't know what those people are like. However, the majority of these kids are just sorry for themselves.

Wow, that got off-topic fast. Sorry for the rant. It's just that people that always go around saying "I'm depressed T_T" and don't do anything about it should be shot.

Anyway, back on topic: The closest we ever got to angst in OP was Vivi, and that's the closest I hope we ever get. The thing is, even though Vivi was depressed about the problems in Alabasta, she still knew how to smile. She still knew how to have a good time. She was only depressed when she had something to do, or when everything seemed hopeless. My opinions stated abovemade me like her situation, actually, because of when she was being particularly overworried Luffy slapped her into realizing that worrying and being depressed does absolute jack. I trust Oda will always keep Oda lighthearted and not take the shortcut by angsting it up.

[Gizmo]

Thats a lesson. There will never be wangstcoolest word ever because Luffy will kick their ass.

[stephen]

I guess that would make someone partaking in wangst a wangsta!

wah-wah-wahhhhh

[Aldrich]

I had no idea what angst and its derivative wangst was before clicking this thread. You learn everyday.

So let me get this straight, being angsty is being bitchy and whiny about a situation and doing nothing to change it?

[COWMAKAZE]

@Aldrich:

I had no idea what angst and its derivative wangst was before clicking this thread. You learn everyday.

So let me get this straight, being angsty is being bitchy and whiny about a situation and doing nothing to change it?

Essentially, yes. It tends to play into the "tortured soul" stereotype of people who always go "My life sucks, I want to kill myself, nobody likes me" and stupid things like that.

[Aldrich]

Yeah, now that I think about it it seems to be a cliché among typical manga characters, the whinging, moody pretty boy who's a loner and acts like a grade A jackass because of his past, Sasuke being the best example but there's also Kal Su in Bastard and others who fit the description. I guess it's supposed to appeal to the feminine audience who fantasizes about understanding and comforting such tortured souls… Hopefully there's nothing like that in One Piece.

[Shanks D. Chopper]

Vegeta always pissed me off. What's worse is all the fanboys who idolize him. There's little worse than a geek who wishes he was badass. =]

[Sanji]

Scenes of anime do piss me off a lot becuz they make it look like a soap opera instead of badass anime.

I do agree with the Vegeta idolizing thing. I've noticed that alot.

[Rat]

Oh no, I didn't invent it. XD The word "wangst" predates much of my internet time.

EDIT: Also it seems like the two terms are getting mixed up already. Angst is sadness, and not necessarily a sort of sadness you get suicidal/whiny/attention-whoring about. That's when angst turns into wangst. Also, it takes NO skill to write angst? How 'bout GOOD angst, eh? Eh? Just cuz ya see it done badly everywhere doesn't mean it can't be done well.

[COWMAKAZE]

Seriously, it really does take no skill to write wangst (perhaps I accidentally said angst earlier?) whatsoever. Of course angst (as in sadness) has it's place, and it can be a powerful tool - just look at Oda's writing. But wangsty characters, even if they do have a purpose, still make me cringe and think less of whatever they came from. They have a purpose sometimes, but to allow them to stay wangsty for too long is just preying on a "weak point" of the public's eye, basically a way to garner a lot of attention with little to no effort. I write a lot in my spare time, and in the book I writing right now I started out with a wangsty character because I figured I could have a big moment where he straightens out in the end and all is good, but it just sucked. It was boring as hell to write for that character because it was so goddamn EASY - anything that was whiny was in character and fit like a glove. Needless to say, that character's personality got scrapped and replaced.

This last part is purely opinion, but in my opinion the only "good" wangst is the overly dramatized kind that is the butt of many a joke. Because that's what wangst is: one big joke.

[Myoti]

Wangst. Indeed, the best new word of the year.

I wonder what would happen if Oda add someone like Sasaku in his story?

First, I have no clue who "Sasaku" is.

If you're speaking of "Sasuke," and if such a person as he were in this story, I would probably quit. Unless, as Cowmakaze said, he was nothing but the butt of "many a joke."

[Rat]

Okay Cowmakaze. Yanno, when I was first writing my definition post, I typoed angst as wangst. XD; It's horribly easy… I blame the qwerty keyboards.

...Nothing at all to do with any blurring of the line...