The Wiper scene proves that logias have to activate their powers wether you like it or not, and that is final.
Why? because you say so? Well then, let's play along with the "activating powers" idea. Firstly, before Wiper grabbed him, Enel had just had Zoros swords go through him. Why in the world would he de-activate his power when he was still in a combat situation? Nevertheless, moving on with your theory, he does for some reason. Now, I think we can all agree that the Kairoseki traps Enel in his human form, because the reject worked. However, after the hit his heart restarts, because of electricity coursing in his body. Why is that? Did his power switch on somehow? Or could it be that after Wiper released his Kairoseki-bind, Enel went back into his default form?
Going by the same line of thought: Ace and Smoker were about to fight in the bar; a combat situation. If the nature of their powers was as you said, why hadn't Smoker "activated" his powers? Because " we can see he hadn't" because Luffy hit him.
But by all logic he HAD "activated them", Because if he'd been slow to "activate them", a sudden surprise attack from Ace would have burned him to ashes, wouldn't it, By your logic?
But instead we see him about to turn his fist into Smoke. So, we can deduce that his Smoke powers were active. And Luffy still hit him.
Paradox! Failure on Odas part! Big mystery!
No, it's comic relief.
When Luffy was underwater, his body stayed rubber; although he couldn't control it. The same thing would happen to Buggy and Daz Bones. That proves paramecias can catch logias, who need to focus to stay in their elemental forms, off guard.
Blueblips already covered this one…
You've lost in this area.
I think not.
- What difference…? Smoker screaming and dropping the cigars out his mouth as Luffy rams into him from behind isn't enough dialogue for you...???:happy:
…Is this a joke? And if it is an actual point, do you know what dialogue is? Let me repeat: If Smoker had said "Damn, I let that rubber boy surprise me before I became smoke" Then everything would be clear. We accept that Luffy smiled like Gold Roger because it was stated.
Instead it is like the Chopper example: Saying the bar scene proofs that logias can be surprised is like saying the Chopper scene proofs he has artificial antlers- or like the people who thought Franky could control the weather, because of a comic gag in chapter 404.
- Why on eath are you giving me another example to use against you…?
What on earth are you talking about?
- I think the real question is: What panels have you been avoiding? He clearly tells Luffy that he doesn't need to use electricity to fight. It's time YOU uploaded some scans for support.
He says: "My lightning has no effect, but I have other ways to fight you. Which are the ones I stated. Which ALL REVOLVE AROUND HIS DF! Seriously, I'd like to hear how you think he forged his trident? Body heat?
Edit: What Kidany was saying.
- Your points here contradict the points in No#3. First you say he didn't use mantra to create the trident and that it was "thunder alchemy", then you say he used electricity to perfect his mantra.
This makes absolutely no sense. In what way whatsoever does mantra have anything to do with his trident? The point I'm making is: His DF is the basis of his power. If it hadn't been, Enel would have been like Satori with a staff.
And…Wow, he attached a giant golden ball on his arm and pushed Luffy off a cliff. The pansy was AVOIDING the fight the whole time.
Up till the golden ball he, was largely on the offensive, unless you call dodging blows- which is a widely accepted thing to do in a fight - "avoiding the battle. " Aside the gum gum Axe - which was a counterattack- and the final barrage - once he'd found an opening - Luffy was on the defensive.
And with the Gold ball he incapacitated his opponent, removing him as a threat. That is called "winning the battle". You might call it "pansy", but then Croc is a pansy too for drying up Luffy, and Arlong is a pansy for dumping him in the ocean.
And Zoro and Wiper weren't nearly as significant as you think. Usopp and Sanji could have chopped the beanstalk. Where's your fanboy support now…?
What on EARTH are you talking about? That Sanji could have assisted (Usopps attacks did nil) Is completely insignificant to my point: That The reason a paramecia called Luffy truimphed over a logia named Enel in Skypea was because he had outside help. He didn't win by himself.
And just out of curiosity: What do you mean by "fanboy support"? I really have no idea.
- I sure as hell can use Enel…especially considering he was an AMEATURE df user
I've already proven that he's not
and his powers de-activated when wiper used the sea-stone.
Just like any DF power would have. Your point?
And I didn't mean to call Wiper and co. weaklings…just saying that Enel intentionally godmoded himself over people who were horribly matched up against him...just like a pansy.
Let's see, for + eight years you've been able to effortlessly smite everyone that stood in your way, and have been virtually immortal. Who in the world wouldn't feel superior and Godlike?
And for the record: How would the Blue Sea dwellers be any better matched up against him than the Skypeans? Both have acces to seastone.
And if you say that arrogacne = pansy, then, well, every villain in the series is a pansy.
Face it: You cannot use Enel as a "default logia!" And if you ask why, you haven't been listening to a word I've said. Besides, even if he was, Luffy wasn't a default paramecia, so your whole "paramecia>logia by default" based on the fight has been flawed from the start.
- He has to touch something to create doors, yet he was easily able to slip out of Luffy's Jet barrage and hide while thinking of a counter attack. Then he re-appeared in MID-AIR behind Luffy and was about to attack.
The attack is still physical. You merely described a way to momentraily avoid blows…in a really un-default (and "pansy") way.
Calipha can also create a weird sheep barrier as well as use bubble foam to protect herslef from damage…I almost forgot she was a paramecia.
The attacks are still physical. You merely describ ways to momentraily avoid blows…in a really un-default (and "pansy") way.
The noro noro fruit allows Foxy to freeze time, and then he can do ANYTHING he wants to the opponent.
Like, punch them? Like, shoot them? Like, blow them up? Like, things that won't affect a logia user in any way, and are all physical attacks?
As we have seen, not all paramecias use physical. Foxy fights just like Krieg.
Fact: All paramecias maintain a physical body, and in order to do damage must interact with the opponent physically. And what was Krieg if not a physical fighter? Furthermore, what relevance does it have?
And no, don't give me that bs. Buggy's body parts were tied up, and OF COURSE he is going to be damaged by Luffy's bazooka when he ate the Bara-Bara no mi.
Again, the point is: Hes' vulnerable to physical attacks. His power did jack against Smoker, and I fail to see him faring better against other logias.
- That was like, maybe 5% of my arguement. And in point No#6, I make it clear those two aren't the only paramecias like that. Thus, negating your math.
Re-negated, as seen in # 6. And what exactly are you saying? That one of the details you're basing your whole point on should be safe in a debate becasue of it's size?
- Plenty of prep time…? It was like half an hour. He also had a tough time keeping his legs short and neck long throughout the whole fight.
Eh? Weren't you just pointing out the greatness of Kaku, because he showed how you could learn attacks "on the spot"? So aren't you kind of, working against yourself here?
And like I said: It wasn't much prep time. But when you already have a perfected fighting style, and recieve a zoan, the two are easy to combine.
Which is another problem factor, as stated on the first page, with the whole default situation.