Luffy might not beat lucchi

yamato_D

hey i know i might get bashed for this, but with the recent chapter, it seems like luffy is definitely having a hard time fighting lucchi and the guy hasn't even changed into his leopard form yet. and with the return of hattori, maybe there is something behind the bird that could make the battle even MORE difficult.
i do know that luffy has yet to use his second or third gear attacks (which are some of the most powerful we've seen so far) and that those could even things up a bit. BUT, luffy has already used up a lot of energy since he's arrived at enies lobby. he beat down hundreds of soldiers, fought blueno (with gear second), ran after robin (used gear third), and is now fighting the strongest cp9 member.
Now do i think that luffy will lose hands down? NO. what i think may happen is luffy defeats lucchi in the non-traditional way. as far as power, skill and discipline goes, lucchi is superior (so far). This makes me believe that either;

A: the building falls down and brings lucchi down with it
B: the buster call somehow interferes
or
the fight is postponed until a later time

now what i'm thinking may be completely wrong and rediculous, but oda is usually pretty unpredictable. he may stick to the traditional beat down of bad guys like most shonen manga, but i think it might be interesting to see a slight twist this time around.

ITSALION

I ain't gonna bash you, but I think now that Luffy knows Franky will rescue Robin he's going to let loose. He has probably been holding back because he wanted to hurry ahead and rescue Robin.Luffy has to kill Lucci. It's never happened any other way.
That would be like if the collapsing building killed Arlong instead of Luffy.

davybackfight

Nah, he's gonna beat him somehow using the gears or the beatdown method.

DeadJustice

With Franky entering the room, I think things are about to turn around. Luffy is about to get the upper-hand, and we'll see Lucci transform in my opinion. It'll probably be left at Lucci's transformation until Zoro's fight ends.

KamenRiderNeko

no, I have faith that Luffy will beat him, and he'll beat him good.

like everyone else says, now that Franky is on his way to get to Robin, Luffy can concentrate on the fight, and put forth more effort.

paptschik

Luffy is the main character, he is the good guy, he will win.

Also…wasn't it in almost every fight, that the good guys seemed to lose, yet in the end won? Like...EVERY fight in Arabasta?
And sometimes Oda is very predictable...so I say it will be the same as always.

ITSALION

Besides, judging from what we've seen already, a collapsing building wouldn't harm Lucci a whole lot.

theinvisibleworm

Wow, you and I think alike. In the buster call thread I basically said the exact same thing you said here. I agree with you 100%.

It's going to be extremely difficult for Luffy to beat a 100% Lucci when Luffy gets to start the fight already exhausted, and when even without that Lucci generally shows an 'advantage'. The last scene we see with Lucci and Luffy in this chapter, it seems clear that Lucci is at an advantage and Oda obviously wants us to see that, since he stands Lucci right in front of the World government gates all tall with good posture and smiling, and shows Luffy tired and bent (but still going strong, he is Luffy after all).

I don't know whether or not Luffy will beat Lucci in THIS fight or not, I don't think he will lose though. I think that if Luffy can't beat Lucci then something will happen either KOing Lucci or postponing the fight till a later Arc. Lucci is far above and beyond any other cp9 member, so he could easily return later and still be a challenge for the strawhats. This guy isn't even nervous when Franky shows up and as far as he knows it's about to be a 2 on 1 (most anyone else would shit their pants at fighting both franky and luffy), he's just smilin'.

By the way, does Lucci look similar to Ao Kiji to you guys or am I just crazy? It might just be oda's art style but to me he almost looks related to the guy.

If Luffy 'does' defeat Lucci this time around, I am pretty sure he will be way to exhausted to do anything else, in other words, he won't be able to fight any vice admirals from the buster call.

ITSALION

@theinvisibleworm:

Wow, you and I think alike. In the buster call thread I basically said the exact same thing you said here. I agree with you 100%.

It's going to be extremely difficult for Luffy to beat a 100% Lucci when Luffy gets to start the fight already exhausted, and when even without that Lucci generally shows an 'advantage'. The last scene we see with Lucci and Luffy in this chapter, it seems clear that Lucci is at an advantage and Oda obviously wants us to see that, since he stands Lucci right in front of the World government gates all tall with good posture and smiling, and shows Luffy tired and bent (but still going strong, he is Luffy after all).

I don't know whether or not Luffy will beat Lucci in THIS fight or not, I don't think he will lose though. I think that if Luffy can't beat Lucci then something will happen either KOing Lucci or postponing the fight till a later Arc. Lucci is far above and beyond any other cp9 member, so he could easily return later and still be a challenge for the strawhats. This guy isn't even nervous when Franky shows up and as far as he knows it's about to be a 2 on 1 (most anyone else would shit their pants at fighting both franky and luffy), he's just smilin'.

By the way, does Lucci look similar to Ao Kiji to you guys or am I just crazy? It might just be oda's art style but to me he almost looks related to the guy.

Actually, you make a good point. It could be Luffy will kick Lucci's ass in a rematch later on, kinda like Crocodile.

Mugiwara_no_Ice

Hmmm nope I dont think so man
I even don t think Lucci is on an advantage here
to me it seems they are on the same level
Lucci is harmed the same way Luffy is.

And I dont think Lucci deserves an appearance in another arc
he must be annihilated now and here
the only thing that can stop Luffy pawning Lucci is that he needs to redraw to save ALL his nakama (from BC or something else)

ITSALION

It's difficult to say. Mind you, remember what happened to Luffy after his second fight with Croc.

Kurigiri

Maybe Oda will do the samething he did with Smoker in Lougetown,
That the SHs run away, but the CP9 (or just Lucchi + underling, might be Spanda) will still run after him.
I doubt it though, since Luffy said in Arabasta that Smoker is the only one he can't fight, because of his DF, but Lucchi is a zoan, meaning Luffy can win this battle if he shows a massive upgrade (think Gear 4, or something).

captain sogeking

Luffy won't lose but the way he wins might be different, Kind of like a reverse crocodile situation.

Luffy beats Lucci and proceeds to the gates of justice after robin and gets sent to impel down (don't ask me how).

While in impel down Lucci reappears and fights with Luffy among thousands of prisoners in cells in the background and they're might be a eye gouging shigan in that fight that blinds luffy for a exciting twist.

sabret00the

I'll subscribe to the theory, that now that he knows he can rely on someone else to catch up to Spandam, he'll let loose and go all out not worrying about the quick victory or getting through the door.

Van Auger

If something like Gear 4 will come up, I shall personally smite Oda for that…

Anyway, yes it seems to me that it shall be a clear re-match afterwards. Maybe Luffy (somehow) sneaks pass Luchi (very unlikely) while Franky goes on and fights with our ohh-so-beloved pigeon guy. OR it might be the other way around, Franky goes Luffy stays.

Well, anyway it's up to Oda, we can't change, but only predict.

Vanessa

Well you have to take into account that Lucci is different from the former guys he's fought. His two biggest challenges, Crocodile and Ener, were logias and weren't really physical fighters. This is where we'll see Luffy fight at his most powerful physically since Lucci is an all-out physical fighter.

I think Luffy will win by a small margin, and won't be able to help out with anyting else since he'll be so worn out.

Kakaliaha

I don't see Lucci more powerful than Luffy at all, in fact I think he is at a disadvantage. Shigan is basically a finger bullet, and at this point it can't really hurt Luffy. Ranyukan might do some damage but that seriously lowers damage capabilities. THose are the two major attacks all CP9 have, the rest are all defensive. In order for Lucci to beat Luffy he will have to transform, and that is when Luffy will pull out the gears.

zeroxtb

i think if Lucchi goes leopard mode, the shigan will do some damage. It did at Galley-La, right? As for rankyaku, that didn't seem to do more than knock Luffy back and maybe cut him a little (again, back at Galley-La. I don't know if leopard-rankyaku will do worse damage to Luffy.) As for any other abilities Lucchi may have, i dunno what it would do to Luffy.

I think Luffy has it in him to beat Lucchi, he hasn't witnessed the gear modes. But who knows, Oda is all too well at pulling out surprises everywhere and anytime.

rusashi

lucci doesnt have the personality to make it to another arc… so Luffys gotta beat him now. I think Hattori might escape, cant imagine Luffy killing a bird lol.

But after this arc, I dont think there will be anymore arch villians for awhile, at least till Ao Kiji is settled. Lucci will lose, and hopefully it will be quick, Lucci vs Luffy isnt very intresting.

Kakaliaha

@zeroxtb:

i think if Lucchi goes leopard mode, the shigan will do some damage. It did at Galley-La, right? As for rankyaku, that didn't seem to do more than knock Luffy back and maybe cut him a little (again, back at Galley-La. I don't know if leopard-rankyaku will do worse damage to Luffy.) As for any other abilities Lucchi may have, i dunno what it would do to Luffy.

Yeah thats what I was talking about Lucci would have to have sharp finger nails for shigan to be successful. I am pretty sure than Ranyaku can do a moderate amound of damage. But Luffy is very resiliant to blunt impact, as for the rest of CP9 abilities I believe most of them are defensive or tatical and aren't meant to do damage.

Myoti

I'll go for the Lucchi coming after Luffy theory. o.o/

what i think may happen is luffy defeats lucchi in the non-traditional way.

Like he's, uh, ALWAYS done? Xp

onemoment

@Myoti:

I'll go for the Lucchi coming after Luffy theory. o.o/

Like he's, uh, ALWAYS done? Xp

I also notice a sense of irony in all his defeats too.

Buggy: Hit him when his parts were tied up.

Kuro: Negated his speed.

Kreig(this is where it solidly starts): Breaks his armor. Well, then he knocks him out.

Arlong:Crashes him through his Arlong Park.

Mr. 3: "Outsmarts" him with instinct.

Wapol: Crashes his head through the roof, right in the view of Hiruluk's flag. Then knocks him away.

Crocodile: His final attack lands him in the middle of the battlefield, where his rank of shichibukai is stripped.

Bellamy: Pwns him despite his big talk.

Enel: Ring him with the freakin bell.

Foxy: Hits him with his own beam and KOs him.

Lucci: Will be ironic. It will most likely involve the Buster call and/or Robin and/or the Enies Lobby structure.

Falcovsleon20

I'm going with the theory that Luffy's fight with Lucci occurs DURING the Buster Call. Because nothing says dramatic final match better than beating up a giant leapord while a bunch of warships fire down on you and torch everything to a crisp.

Myoti

Yes, it's gonna be during the Buster Call, no doubt.

And yes, it will be an ironic victory (having to do with the Gate of the Buster Call).

Buccaneer

Luffy would be a shitty captain and man if he could not do this.

Ya I think Luffy is going to "go wild" if Lucci lets Franky rescue Robin. Which I still think might not happen. Its going to be a close fight, I see Lucci dominating a bit more though.

MasterDee

My prediction. Luffy will take Lucci down in the second round (the first round occurred back at W7). I think Oda might be saving the final parts of this arc for Usopp to shine. Plus I don't think Lucci is even the main villain of this arc. Spandam appears to be the main villain. He's also the villain with the big dream.

@MasterDee:

My prediction. Luffy will take Lucci down in the second round (the first round being the fight they had back at W7). I think Oda might be saving the final parts of this arc for Usopp to shine. Plus I don't think Lucci is even the main villain of this arc. Spandam appears to be the main villain. He's also the villain with the big dream.

You mean in the fight they are currently in? >.> Spandam could be easily taken down by anyone in the crew…

MasterDee

@C.D:

You mean in the fight they are currently in? >.> Spandam could be easily taken down by anyone in the crew…

Some of you place too much emphasis on a character's fighting power. I'm trying to examine this from the point of view of story structure and plotting. In every arc so far, it's the main villain, the one with the big dream who always goes down last. There's no reason for a third Lucchi vs. Luffy match since Lucchi isn't even the main villain.

valiantt

Yeah the Lucci vs Luffy fight seems really unique as they don't really say much to each other at the moment, but rather fly around and plummel each other. It is even MORE interesting that Lucci doesn't seem like the conventional villian he fights (aside from being the strongest in this arc) that he doesn't exhibit any dreams or motives (besides from being just a killer) but Lucci acts as a mere lackey under the arc's conventional villian: Spandam. In which this contrasts him (Spandam) from Nezumi (which I remember there was a comparison made). Spandam clearly has motivations and dreams to which, if he was "powerful" like the other conventional villians, it would have been blatant that he would have been Luffy's opponent in conventional shonen aspects. However, Oda clearly has something in store for Spandam in which I am highly anticipating this more than the coming Luffy vs Lucci battle.

LUCCI DA PIGEON PIMP

i totally agree to what valiaant and masterdee said and i also think that lucchi even if he is cool and strong is nothing but a mere lackey and he is also acting like that and don't even say anithing which goes against that idea .

captain usopp

I haven't actually read the manga yet, so egnore me if I'm stupid. I just wanna play devils advocate.

I totally get what your saying about smandam, master dee, still, thinking of FF6, Kefka was not the head honcho, but then decided to beat down the general, and go crazy, making him the main villain. Lucci could just decide, spandam, shut up, I'm in charge now.

As for Usopp shining. He could take on Spandam to really shine too.

I don't see much difference in the damage they have taken…just that luccy is enjoing the fight and luffy just want's to get past him quick to get Robin.

Fighting while the buster call blows everything up sounds good to me Fighting while dodging cannon balls...

paptschik

@captain:

I haven't actually read the manga yet, so egnore me if I'm stupid. I just wanna play devils advocate.

I totally get what your saying about smandam, master dee, still, thinking of FF6, Kefka was not the head honcho, but then decided to beat down the general, and go crazy, making him the main villain. Lucci could just decide, spandam, shut up, I'm in charge now.

As for Usopp shining. He could take on Spandam to really shine too.

Spandam is too far away, if you ask me. I don't think he and Lucci will meet again (at least not before being defeated).
And if Usopp shines by defeating Spandam…Oda failed. But thank god it won't happen, because Usopp will do something only he can do, not something that EVERYONE who is right now at EL (including Chimney and Gonbe) could do.

sabret00the

Fighting during the buster call is kinda cliche. it would then lead to the strawhats having to take on the buster call which is kinda lame. while i agree that the fight may overlap the bustercall, it will finish way before the vice-admirals check the island, which will be delayed by Usopp. It just doesn't make sense or good writing to make a pirate crew as young and the Mugiwara to go to war with the World Government and Marines in such a way, after Lucchi's defeat they'll flea, which will also leave Robin quite grounded.

Of course this is just my opinion, however wewll i marketed it as fact ;o)

Virgilijus

The way I see it, Luffy is more worried about his crew's safety and is not fighting at his best because of it; once they begin to come by (or nami tells him they are fine) Luffy will continue to be less worried and fight better.

incinerator

I have a feeling Robin will play a crucial role in this battle. Once the cuffs come off, she'll do something that will throw the battle into Luffy's favor. I don't mean directly interfering with the fight, which is frowned upon in One Piece, but something helpful that will swing the odds and cement herself (once again) as a loyal, helpful crew member.

Chubbychez

@incinerator:

I have a feeling Robin will play a crucial role in this battle. Once the cuffs come off, she'll do something that will throw the battle into Luffy's favor. I don't mean directly interfering with the fight, which is frowned upon in One Piece, but something helpful that will swing the odds and cement herself (once again) as a loyal, helpful crew member.

You make it sound like the crew is some sort of military unit. I guess I don't really picture the group as a bunch of loyal followers, just a bunch of folks who really care for one another. Sorry for going off topic.

Darkestsith6

The whole setup with Luffy becoming stronger after this fight with Aokiji tells me Luffy will not lose any more fights for the rest of One Piece. He had a taste of defeat at the hands of probably one of the top 5 strongest people in One Piece, and has icnreased his ownself to fight anyone.

Lucci will go Leopard and be on par with Luffy's Gear 2. But then Luffy with go gear 3 and win it all.

Master O

@incinerator:

I have a feeling Robin will play a crucial role in this battle. Once the cuffs come off, she'll do something that will throw the battle into Luffy's favor. I don't mean directly interfering with the fight, which is frowned upon in One Piece, but something helpful that will swing the odds and cement herself (once again) as a loyal, helpful crew member.

You'd better believe Robin will play a role. IT'S HER ARC!!! That's simple enough to predict:

When Robin's cuffs come off, Spandam's going to be introduced to an entirely new dimension of pain!!!

I feel real sorry for any Marine or Buster Call that gets in her way after that.

Springtime for Robin, Winter for Spandam…

Kuroneko

@Master:

You'd better believe Robin will play a role. IT'S HER ARC!!! That's simple enough to predict:

When Robin's cuffs come off, Spandam's going to be introduced to an entirely new dimension of pain!!!

I feel real sorry for any Marine or Buster Call that gets in her way after that.

Springtime for Robin, Winter for Spandam…

Yeah, it will be an incredible moment when it happen, but at the moment it's unsure what end Spandam will take when the Straw Hats reach him. Also, I wonder to see Usopp in a really brilliant moment.

Bounty1Berry

I think Lucci's not an idiot, at least not enough of an idiot to skip self-preservation. When he realises the Buster Call is in progress, he'll bolt. It won't be the end of it, but I expect wherever they go next, wether it's Impel Down or following the sea-train tracks back to Water 7, he will be there raising hell THEN.

crossbowgurl

@Master:

You'd better believe Robin will play a role. IT'S HER ARC!!! That's simple enough to predict:

When Robin's cuffs come off, Spandam's going to be introduced to an entirely new dimension of pain!!!

I feel real sorry for any Marine or Buster Call that gets in her way after that.

Springtime for Robin, Winter for Spandam…

lol dont forget he's gotta get a beating from franky too!

incinerator

Haha, does anyone else envision this scene? It's the past repeating itself, from when Franky decked Spandam in the face…

When the cuffs come off, Robin will sprout hands to hold Spandam still, while Franky lets loose with an Ultimate Hammer to the face... what an insult that would be!

Master O

I can envision the beating like what happens in Mortal Kombat:

The screen turns dark and robin does some kind of fatality on Spandam.

The screen reads: FATALITY!!!

FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!!

bla bla…

@C.D:

Ya I think Luffy is going to "go wild" if Lucci lets Franky rescue Robin. Which I still think might not happen. Its going to be a close fight, I see Lucci dominating a bit more though.

it's been mentioned a few timse that luffy will "go wild" now that he knows franky will rescue robin….however, shouldn't he have been "going wild" in the first place, because he didn't know if anyone else would show up, so he can quickly go to where robin is before it's too late?

i think it's more plausible that luffy knows there is a fallback option in case he fails, so he no longer has any reservations about going all out. he can now "go wild" since i am under the belief that he isn't exactly sure how he will handle some of his higher gears. and lo and behold, he will probably win and realize how long he can last with a certain gear.

Bounty1Berry

It depends on Luffy's thought process. I could see several ways it would play out in his head:

Your model makes reasonable sense, but there's also the matter of time and knowledge. Luffy might figure that to do a proper beatdown of Lucci would take too long, and Robin would be lost before he could reach him. Or he might need something from Lucci; does he know how to get from where they are to the Gate of Justice? Does he know they have the right key? Those needs might force him to go soft on Lucci; not much good kicking his torso in if you bend the key so it won't open Robin's cuffs.

Darkestsith6

Luffy might know his body will pass out after going gear 3 for too long a time, so he has chosen not to go there yet. But if Franky is gonna get Robin, Luffy may chose to go to that extreme now

dart533

I think everyone's forgeting that after the Blueno battle, Luffy ate some meat. Hence, he's at full strength again. = p

warp

I kinda hope he loses the first fight (unless you count the fight at the mansion) then comes back to kick his ass. Like with crocodile (tho he lost the second fight with crocodile)