Best Upgrade, Worst Upgrade?

Ao Kiji

Since everyone is reaching the next level in skill, who's upgrade you like and who'd do you not like(or like the least)?
Here's how I see things:

Luffy: In the beginning I didn't like the 'firing air bullets' gear thing. But after reading about it and seeing Gear 3 I loved it! In the beginning it just seemed like Oda-sensei finally ran out of ideas and decided to give Luffy generic shounen-style fire balls. But after seeing it's just that Luffy is taking advantage of his rubber body in other ways besides stretching, I thought it was hella creative and clever. I wish he'd used the heat for something besides fireballs but still..I like it!

Zoro: Haven't really seen it yet,but it's a safe bet it'l be a new sword technique(I'd like to see him do 8 realms again) or a different style of doing sword techniques./ Zoro is one of the only characters who gets upgraded battle techniques every arc, so it's not as big a deal for him. Also he uses a mix of realistic and over the top/fighting game style ones. So most likely whatever he learns it should fit his style.

Chopper: It was obvious at some point Chopper would learn more transformations and it finally happened. Monster form is flippin' kewl but I could do without the cliched 'this is a forbidden form you must never use!' backstory. I really hoped Chopper would be taught new forms or get ideas from doctors he met or scientist on how to create new ones instead of just have ones he hasn't decided to use until now. Still it looks like this form has more of a backstory behind it and problems to go with it for CHopper. Hopefully because of it he'll finally get some much needed character development.

Usopp: So far Usopp's upgrades have been becoming Sogeking and creating Kabuto. I love Sogeking even though I know it's not gonna last past this arc. Kabuto I'm torn on. I really prefer an actual skill upgrade opposed to a new weapon. Usopp needs to become a better sniper, not invent things that make his sniping easier or more powerful. I have a feeling he has another upgrade he hasnt revealed yet,though.

Nami: Nami's upgrade is fine and logical, like Chopper's. Nami's weather forcasting is already top notch, she just needs to keep upgrading 'tools'. I would like to see her use the staff the way she used to,though.Wacking people around the old fashioned way!

Sanji: At first I though OMG! That's effing cool! Now that I think about it, I don't like Sanji's 'heat' kicks. Just like I felt about Luffy's at first, it opens the flood gates too much for stuff like 'lightning kicks' or kicking fireballs at people and stuff like that. And part of Sanji's awesomeness was that he ONLY used physical striking techniques and acrobatics. He wasn't kicking you with glowing magical energy or kicking ice at you or crap like that. He just pwned guys in a 'somewhat' realistic way.

So I think I like Luffy's upgrade best because it makes sense and opens the door for more creative while still maintaining the use of his gomu gomu fruit. I like Sanji's the least because it ruins his style of fighting for me and starts down the slippery slope of giving sanji 'special' kicks(lightnin,fire,spirit energy,etc).

What do you think?

WTF
Sanji has the best upgrade followed by Chopper and Luffy!!!
Nami´s is great too but I liked the above better

I loved his new kicks and it was needed to do it for him. He can´t beat everyone just with his normal kicks like Luffys needs his gears or Zoro in The Sky Pia Saga his canon moves

About Ussop… for me he hasn´t been upgrade yet but he will!!!
And for Zoro... if that gorilla think is really his upgrade than I would be dissapointed. It´s maybe cool but not really special. For me it is just a new move like he got in every arc

Cap'n Carter

I'm not a big fan of the Monster thing, because it has too many downsides to be considered beneficial.

Tsunami_Nami

I really like Nami-swan's upgrade (that's obvious) and I really want to see Usopp really put his skills to the test. He has to become a better sniper. Sanji…it was pretty cool. Chopper... I was frightened of Chopper honestly... Zoro I can't really say much for our Mr. Bushido... But Luffy's is still the best.

Cap'n Carter

I haven't been impressed with the Perfect Clima-Tact yet. She barely managed to beat Califa in a relatively boring fight. Half of her tricks were already used on Double Finger. The Fata Morgana and Thunder Dance Tempo were kinda cool, but nothing too huge.

Demon Days

I agree with Carter about the Clima-Tact. Nami's not a particularly interesting fighter, in my opinion.

But I'm just going to let Oda handle it. He'll have some tricks up his sleeves.

freedom

Also agrees w/ Cap'n Carter and Demon Days. Nami's character is awesome & fun, but her fights IMHO are always stretching so that she can win. However, I do agree that the perfect Clima-Tact is the ideal weapon for her. I definitely like this upgrade.

Monster Chopper, not sure I want to see more of this. I'm hoping Chopper will start looking into the Bio-Feedback, maybe when he starts learning this, I could see him use a Rumble ball and potentially be able to create new forms and/or combine some of his old ones together to be more useful. If not Bio-Feedback, then he's definitely gotta start working on enhanced the duration and ability of the Rumble ball.

Luffy, Sanji - DEFINITELY Loving these upgrades ^_^
Zoro - if he didn't get an upgrade, i wouldn't mind, he's always training.
but if there's one person that Oda can have pull something out of nowhere, it's definitely him.

Greg

They all rock.

And Monster is amazing. I wonder if his weak point will be grabbing his horns which will paralyze him ^O^

onemoment

Yes, I think they'll all good. However…

Luffy: Not done yet. We still have more to see with this.

Zoro: It's really possible he may not have one. OR not.

Usopp: Can't wait to see what he can do.

Sanji: It's awesome, but I have the feeling the Sanji's next opponent will be able to counter it or at least deal with it better.

Chopper: Really awesome, I have the feeling that it will contribute to future development

Nami: Now, while thunder lance was cool, Fata Morgana seemed a bit weird. I mean, that doesn't seem possible with any weather manipulation. Plus she'll probably keep using this trick in future battles.

Franky: Oh wait, it's his second fight.

I'd also liek to see Robin get an moment in a fight in the next arc.

Bounty1Berry

So far:

Favourite: Choppzilla. I love the concept of a force that he can't control; it makes it unlikely he will just pull it out of the hat.

In between:

Nami– points for cleverness, but it's not really anything new.

Luffy-- Now that we see that Gear 2 and 3 aren't standard powerups, it's less disturbing, but come on, Luffster, think up a better name!

Least Favourite: Sanji's sizzling feet. It smacks of Bon Clay's Okama Kempo, and it should be igniting his suit.

Reserving Jugement: Sogeking. He's cool and all, but right now there's nothing he's done that Usopp Classic couldn't (possible exception, that flaming phoenix thing, but dunno)

zero chan

Luffy: The problem with his upgrade is the way it is named. Other than that, it is easily the best upgrade.

Nami: I see her improving from just relying on weather condition of the environment to actually controlling it the way she wanted. Of course the credit goes to the perfect clima tact. Even when she took quite long to finish Kalifa, it's still a feat, considering the fact that Kalifa outclassed her. At least she did not need a love shield aka Sanji to protect her. Afterall she's not known as the physically weakest SH for nothing.

Sanji: I think his upgrade is satisfactory. It is certainly better than making him learn rankyaku.

Chopper: Since his monster form is not really an upgrade, I would leave him out of my discussion. But seriously, I like that monster thing a lot, even when it is not an upgrade.

Franky: He is new, so this "competition" is not relevant to him.

Zoro and Usopp: Lets see what they do first.

paptschik

Luffy: Nice, has potential, but not the best.

Nami: I really loved he new moves…really, great upgrade.

Sanji: Was cool, but...well, nothing more.

Chopper: THAT was amazing...my favorite of the EL upgrades - for now.

Zoro: Meh...I've never been too much of a fan of Zoros new moves...or his fights in general...

Usopp: Well...we haven't seen much of Kabuto, but ALL his new moves (meaning: including the stuff he showed against Luffy) were amazing. The stuff in the Luffy fight were the best new attacks ever. Kabuto...well, we'll see, it has potential.

freedom

@Bounty1Berry:

"…if you're watching the dub, you're not watching One Piece. You're watching Happy Bizarro Super Pirate Team Go!"

Just noticed your sig, and this is just so freaking awesome. I'm at working causing a scene laughing at this…. man, classic stuff. nice one ^_^

Forgot to talk about Sogeppu I expect something great from Usopp in the not too distant future... hopefully within the next 10 or so chapters :), after all, that's almost 3 months There's definitely a whole lot more to Kabuto, so i'm just gonna sit back and wait for the awesomeness to be revealed

Darkariel

Usopp's upgrade must be one of the greatest, his upgrade as SogeKing with the Kabuto shot

As for old Usopp I would say the use of dials in the fight with Luffy

Chopper's Monster upgrade is probably a one timer use (don't see Chopper using it again at least not until he fully dominates it)

Nami's Perfect Clima-Tact was a great upgrade of the old Clima-Tact (no more party tricks) and new moves like Fata Morgana and Thunder Lance Tempo that make it a great upgrade

Luffy's upgrade I think is yet to show is true pontetial althought it puts Luffy on another level of power

Zoro's Gorilla arms I don't know, I have to see what will Zoro do next chapter

Sanji's Flambage was great and put Sanji one step closer to Zeff's level, beats rankyaku by far

Franky well he's new and he is SUPER, also there's potential in those weird transformations he had when Chopper gave him wrong beverages

I can say I liked all upgrades equally

Gizmo

Also doesn't anybody wonder what super cool upgrades that Robin could have? She hasn't been able to fight since she was captured but when she breaks out she'll want revenge. evil grin

paptschik

@ultimateclima:

Also doesn't anybody wonder what super cool upgrades that Robin could have? She hasn't been able to fight since she was captured but when she breaks out she'll want revenge. evil grin

Robin still has to become a real fighter…she had a fight in Skypia, I enjoyed it, but I think it won't be until she REALLY joins, that she will REALLY fight. She has to show more basic moves before she gets an upgrade, imo at least.

Kibagami

I'm actually against upgrades in general, but it was bound to happen and it's only logical that the crew gets some when facing stronger and stronger enemies. I much prefer the idea of out-fighting the opponent as opposed to having stronger moves than the opponent. It's really quite brilliant that Oda has managed to not give Luffy tons of upgrades. There have been a couple psuedo-upgrades for Luffy, such as Cannon and Rifle, but I'd hardly call that an upgrade when compared to GEAR.

Luffy: I love the idea of changing the properties of the rubber in his body to produce effects that can benefit Luffy in battle, but I hate how there is a numbering system in One Piece now. This business of Gear 2 and 3 doesn't have to be there. I think Oda did that on purpose though, because Gear 3 was like nothing anyone would expect (it even parodied DBgt!!!). Oda clearly proved that his ability for farce and surprises is nothing short of genius.

Chopper: I don't really consider Choppzilla an upgrade at all. I hope he won't do that again cuz he almost died. I think this transformation will act stepping stone towards developing new forms.

Nami: I thought the Perfect Climitact was kinda overkill. The first climitact was cool because it was kind of convincing, and Nami explained how it worked with the whole cool air hot air concepts. THIS version, however, is just mindless upgrading like Dragon Ball; it's just everything the normal climitact could do but 10x more extreme. The fact that she can control mirages like that makes no sense to me.

Sanji: If his moves ties into the story behind RED LEG ZEFF, then I like it, but I don't think this was the best upgrade. I would have been content with Sanji learning a Rankyaku.

Zoro: Just a display of what he can do after a few times at the gym. Other than that I'm still waiting

Usopp: I'm still waiting

Cap'n Carter

When Nami beats someone who isn't the token female, I'll consider her a decent fighter.

Yuhara_sama

^ Very true. It might help to not have an new weapon at the major fights. Might actualy allow her to master the wepon, then we should see some good fights.

Greg

Also doesn't anybody wonder what super cool upgrades that Robin could have?

Robin could own anyone in the crew in a second. She doesn't need an upgrade or whatever. I mean…technically all everyone is getting are new moves which...they've always done. Robin could unleash more potential by using other body parts but I feel bad for Oda. Pretty soon he'll have to start using her again. Handicapping the crew with her is such a difficult task.

Satsuki

Isn't part of Robin's weakness that she feels the pain inflicted on any of the arms she generates? (remembers her feeling pain when lifting the big Skypeian Priest with the Hang move) Oda needs to capitalize on that.

It makes me wonder what would happen if somebody slices off one of her generated arms before it turned into petals?

PouleMorte

@Greg:

Robin could own anyone in the crew in a second. She doesn't need an upgrade or whatever. I mean…technically all everyone is getting are new moves which...they've always done. Robin could unleash more potential by using other body parts but I feel bad for Oda. Pretty soon he'll have to start using her again. Handicapping the crew with her is such a difficult task.

Anyone in the crew ? I think she said herself that she would be helpless against Luffy.

But I agree that Robin rules !!

Gizmo

Iono i mean if Robin could grab both Luffy's wrists and ankles and neck and clutch him so he cant move and then get a dagger and cut him or something… but yea she could own anybody else in the crew.

KamenRiderNeko

Well, from what I see so far, I'm lovin whatever Zoro's upgrade will be. And I'm sure whatever Luffy has…. it will be most awesome.

Sanji's was cool, but yeah... that was it.
The Chopzilla thing is a little old now... I dunno, i was impressed for a whole 5 minutes...
Nami and Usopp got pretty decent upgrades in their weapons, but like Carter said, until we can see that Nami can defeat anyone, man or woman, she can be considered a decent fighter. But then again, I don't think that is her main goal, so I guess that doesn't matter...
As for Usopp... he just needs to stop hiding under that mask. I'd have more respect for him then, and I feel like that would signify that he has more confidence in his abilities, who knows what he's gonna do....

zero chan

@Cap'n:

When Nami beats someone who isn't the token female, I'll consider her a decent fighter.

I see what you mean. Hotori was introduced as a male, actually Hotori was a female. He… er I mean, she had some identity problems with regards to gender. The way Gonbe thought he was a cat.

Cap'n Carter

Hotori and Kotori wasn't really a proper fight. She had to use Gan Forr's gauntlet to beat them anyway.

Dr.Chopper

I was REALLY impressed with Chopper's upgrade.
The whole 2nd Rumble Ball and then Monster Point was totally unique. I really liked how Chopper's entire battle were based solemly on him gambling with his own powers.
Second one i like is obviously Sanji's =PP lol! you know why >.o

Refii

@Cap'n:

Hotori and Kotori wasn't really a proper fight. She had to use Gan Forr's gauntlet to beat them anyway.

WTF? Why do people keep bringing up this kind of an argument?

Was it Nami using the Gauntlet? Yes. Therefore she defeated them.
Is the climatact her creation? And yet do we deny her victory, because Ussop gave it to her?
When Zoro borrows Johnny and Yosakus swords does that mean he doesn't win, because it isn't really his own weapons?
Did Luffy not defeat Enel because he used the Golden Ball Enel gave him, thus Enel defeated himself?

Come on, use some freaking common sense, and STOP using this ridiculous argument people.

dasher232

The most impressive so far for me is probably chopper's and luffy's because they were handled really well bar the gearing and numbering system when luffys one came out I thought ''oda's lost it'' and still do to a degree but it makes more sense than some of the ohers he's come up with. The chopper one I like because I think oda has done it to coincide with something i.e chopper might realise that he has to find alternate ways of improving and building his zoan powers which may come (i'm hoping anyway) with kumadori's hint of how powerful ''life returns'' can be and lucci's hint of how powerfu zoan typs can be (I mean heck kaku got his later than chopper and he's already built some pretty nifty stuff around his ability).

The ones I dislike (and by no means means to offend anyone) are mainly sanji's and nami's more sanji's simply because like someone said it opens the flood gates to things like ice kick with state of mind or however it was that he did it, and I part of my respect for oda was how he stayed clear of the traditional elementals and when he did introduce them he made them work well the thing that gets me is it seemed like it was done more to make way for akoiji's defeat without the aid of ace but it seemed too rushed and like kalifa it made jyabura seem a lot less than the idea of him I had pictured.

mischitary

Why is everyone so against Sanji's new move? It's not like it's just some magical heat that came out of nowhere. It's Sanji using his mind, and making up a new move, just like Luffy does every so often.

He uses his abnormally strong legs to spin his body around at insanely high speeds, dragging his foot all the while to make it become enflamed, or at least very, very hot.

It's not like Sanji just said "become enflamed, my foot!" and it just happened.

Also, people have been saying they would have liked it better if Sanji would have gotten backstory saying where he aquired the "heat foot"…what are you talking about? This isn't some ultra-secret technique that only a few people in the world know. Everyone knows that friction = heat. I find it quite awkward that people say "omg this move came out of nowhere i call hax" when Luffy makes up a few new moves almost every arc and nobody really says anything.

Greg

I think she said herself that she would be helpless against Luffy.

For anyone that wants to take my pithy ponderings on the board for my real opinion, please don't. I spew projectile vomit BS to overexaggerate and be obnoxious.

Regarding any individual VS any individual I really have no opinion who could best whom because if Oda ever wanted to make anything happen for story purposes, he could.

My main point is, Robin is awesome. All I'd like to see is her utilizing some other parts of her body because the possibilities are endless.

Taleran

2 pages and no mention of Boxaku?

FAIL

ITSALION

@dasher232:

The ones I dislike (and by no means means to offend anyone) are mainly sanji's and nami's more sanji's simply because like someone said it opens the flood gates to things like ice kick with state of mind or however it was that he did it, and I part of my respect for oda was how he stayed clear of the traditional elementals and when he did introduce them he made them work well the thing that gets me is it seemed like it was done more to make way for akoiji's defeat without the aid of ace but it seemed too rushed and like kalifa it made jyabura seem a lot less than the idea of him I had pictured.

Ice kick??? Did you read chapter 415?? It wasn't state of mind, it was simple friction! I remember it from science class!
Personally the Perfect Clima Tact is my fav upgrade because now Nami doesn't have to blow through the tubes. No offense, but to me, that always looked stupid. And a little dirty. :getlost:

crossbowgurl

i agree, nami's my fav perfect climatact is so cool ^0^ and has fun attacks that dont bore me plus chibi nami XD then it goes from funny to awesome with the thunder lance tempo

i also dont know whats so unusual about sanji's fire leg? its shonen manga physics he just hit it fast enough to beat jabby-kins :3 i dont remember him needing to fight anyone with such strong defence against physical attacks, so he hit harder thats all (imo) pretty simple. i think sanji-kun could have done it any other time if he needed to (again, i'm a bit fuzzy on the sanji fights) but i dont think his former enemies needed kick-strength in particular

zoro- dont know it exactly, but i think zoro will just go- fight- hopefully he slips or something so we can get our river-of-blood fix this arc >:D- improve in another aspect- win in a cooooool way- then go get lost/sleep till the end of the fights/arc. i dont see kaku giving him much trouble where da blud?

usopp shall Overcome.

luffy's gears- i love them! also why he needed the upgrade ;_; to protect his nakama… sweet and simple kid

chopper: gave me nightmares O.O;; i read th chapter in the dark and went to sleep right after... reminds me of... donny darco.....

ITSALION

Chopper made an admirable sacrifice to help his nakama. He knew what the Monster Point would do to him. O_O

Cap'n Carter

@Refii:

WTF? Why do people keep bringing up this kind of an argument?

Was it Nami using the Gauntlet? Yes. Therefore she defeated them.
Is the climatact her creation? And yet do we deny her victory, because Ussop gave it to her?
When Zoro borrows Johnny and Yosakus swords does that mean he doesn't win, because it isn't really his own weapons?
Did Luffy not defeat Enel because he used the Golden Ball Enel gave him, thus Enel defeated himself?

Come on, use some freaking common sense, and STOP using this ridiculous argument people.

waoh calm down pal

OK, you win, Nami beat two bit characters in a very forgettable fight (honestly, I forgot that fight even occured, or that Hotori and Kotori even existed until it was brought up).

I still don't take her very seriously as a fighter yet.

Refii

It's not about who someone defeats, it's about giving credit where credit is due.

The fact that she defeated 2 joke characters is beyond the point, the fact that a character using non traditional methods to defeat an enemy still deserves the credit for defeating the enemy remains my point that's all.

ITSALION

Nami is just coming into her own as a Straw Hat fighter. Her first moment was in Alabasta. Now, she's one of the gang, so to speak.
Enies Lobby is the first time since Alabasta where everyone has had an opponent.

IeatGodlyPie

@Ao:

Since everyone is reaching the next level in skill, who's upgrade you like and who'd do you not like(or like the least)?
Here's how I see things:

Luffy: In the beginning I didn't like the 'firing air bullets' gear thing. But after reading about it and seeing Gear 3 I loved it! In the beginning it just seemed like Oda-sensei finally ran out of ideas and decided to give Luffy generic shounen-style fire balls. But after seeing it's just that Luffy is taking advantage of his rubber body in other ways besides stretching, I thought it was hella creative and clever. I wish he'd used the heat for something besides fireballs but still..I like it!

He shoots a projectile? I thought he was just using Soru-type speed to attack and the Jet effect came from the extra air he was pushing out of his body to maintain tensile strength. The air wasn't hurting anyone - his superfast fist was. Right?

DeadJustice

@IeatGodlyPie:

He shoots a projectile? I thought he was just using Soru-type speed to attack and the Jet effect came from the extra air he was pushing out of his body to maintain tensile strength. The air wasn't hurting anyone - his superfast fist was. Right?

I don't think its really clarified. I think the anime or a movie has shown it to be a fast fist. In the manga, there isn't really way to tell.

tony-kun

sanjis is my least favorite because of the stupidity of it. I like how one piece used outrageous powers, but still(kinda) followed the rules of physics. But sanjis kinda messes it up. How can you store that much kinetic energy without recieving some burns or injuries at least.

and all the other power-ups(that werent weapons) have some side effects and downsides. sanjis so far is super powerful(like luffy and choppers) but with no downside, so he will probobly do this all the time now(unlike luffy and choppers will be last resorts, or stong opponent exclusives)

people say zoros gorrilla technique was his power up, but its not. Hes just using his strngth to try to break tekkai since his shishi sonson didnt work. But (like sanjis kicks) it didnt fully break the tekkai(it does look like he cut kakus nose, its a small cut, but its progress)

onemoment

@tony-kun:

sanjis is my least favorite because of the stupidity of it. I like how one piece used outrageous powers, but still(kinda) followed the rules of physics. But sanjis kinda messes it up. How can you store that much kinetic energy without recieving some burns or injuries at least.

and all the other power-ups(that werent weapons) have some side effects and downsides. sanjis so far is super powerful(like luffy and choppers) but with no downside, so he will probobly do this all the time now(unlike luffy and choppers will be last resorts, or stong opponent exclusives)

Well, I personally think that the fire on his ankles is just light from the heat on his shoes, so the most dangerous heat is only on his feet.

Also, this new technique of Sanji's at least takes little charging time to use, then it runs out after a while. The weaknesses and strengths of this most will probably be fleshed out in Sanji's next fight, it's obvious that it won't work the same way everytime.

ITSALION

Come to think of it, have we even seen a weakness of Nami's Perfect Clima Tact? The upgrades don't all have to have weaknesses.

onemoment

@IT'S:

Come to think of it, have we even seen a weakness of Nami's Perfect Clima Tact? The upgrades don't all have to have weaknesses.

Nope, there's no weakness in the Climatact. Probably because without it Nami would to defenseless in a fight. Sadly, Nami is the Climtact's weakness and strength.

Of course, that every upgrade has to have a weakness. That is, unless that weakness makes the user invincible. Gears and Monster Chopper has weaknesses, but climatact, Kabuto, and Fire Leg aren't invincible upgrades.

For example, Sanji is still vulerable to attack (as much as he always is, at least) while using the fire leg.

Cap'n Carter

Yeah, thought the weapon itself isn't too bad, it depends on Nami. In my opinion, she hasn't really wielded it that well yet.

Geese

From best to 'worst':

1. Usopp - This was all he really needed to become a serious combatant. The biggest misconception about Usopp is that he's just an inherently weak guy that has no talent in the area of combat. Well the truth is, the only thing that was ever holding him back was his lack of adequate firepower/projectiles. Remember people, he one hell of a good shot. If you re-read all of his fights, you'll find that he's never really missed an opponent (except Jyabura recently…figures -_-), it's just that his attacks get parryed easily. Reason? He shot fucking rotten eggs and shit and not projectiles of actual threat and effect (don't get me wrong, I like all his various Stars and whatnot, but he was honestly only holding himself back when he opted for a slingshot over the two guns they actually did have on deck). The Kabuto fortunately eliminated this weakness. With attacks like Sunflower Star and Firebird Star coupled with his amazing accuracy, Usopp is now a force to be reckoned with

2. Luffy -Luffy has always been one of the strongest guys in the Grandline and certainly the strongest member of the crew but with the Gears he should be able to take care of just about any physical fighter. The Gears, unlike the Kabuto or Climatact haven't exactly revolutionized his fighting style but they have shot him up several notches in his own. Next to the Kabuto, it's the greatest improvement and that's what really matters in the long run.

3. Nami - She can now melee fight and has an effective means to escaping devastating attacks through the Feta Morgana Mirage Tempo (she certainly needs this as she can't evade at high speeds like Luffy, Zoro and Sanji). Most important of all though is that she has a DEVASTATING finisher and can dish out pain at higher speeds (Thunderball).

4. Sanji - There's very few things out there that are more badass than the Devil Wind but in the long run, Sanji's physical strength is already enough/too much for most opponents. Unlike Luffy's Gears, he doesen't gain any speed upgrade and doesen't have any improved range (which he could really use) or anything. It's still fucking powerful though.

5. Chopper -Obviously it's the greatest leap in strength but it has far too many reprocussions. What good is transforming when you'll just kick the ass of your crewmates a second later?

PouleMorte

@Greg:

For anyone that wants to take my pithy ponderings on the board for my real opinion, please don't. I spew projectile vomit BS to overexaggerate and be obnoxious.

Regarding any individual VS any individual I really have no opinion who could best whom because if Oda ever wanted to make anything happen for story purposes, he could.

My main point is, Robin is awesome. All I'd like to see is her utilizing some other parts of her body because the possibilities are endless.

Yeah, that's the general impression i had about your post… that's why i added the "Robin rules" thing

I also agree about her using other part of her body... oh, the possibilities ! :wub:

@Ao:

Since everyone is reaching the next level in skill, who's upgrade you like and who'd do you not like(or like the least)?
Here's how I see things:

Usopp: So far Usopp's upgrades have been becoming Sogeking and creating Kabuto. I love Sogeking even though I know it's not gonna last past this arc. Kabuto I'm torn on. I really prefer an actual skill upgrade opposed to a new weapon. Usopp needs to become a better sniper, not invent things that make his sniping easier or more powerful. I have a feeling he has another upgrade he hasnt revealed yet,though.

He is pretty close to perfect IMO where have you seen that he lacks in the skill of Range combat?

I think he needs to use a gun and not a slingshot, I'd like to see more use of the shells and when they get their new ship more cannon action

I agree with Luffy's upgrade being the best, when everyone was talking about Luffy using gears I was like "wtf is this shit" and then proceeded to forego just watching the anime and read the manga now. Have to say it was very creative and never saw it coming. Sanji's new move was…uh....alright I guess. It didn't really make sense though which is kind of ironic because Zoro and Luffy's strength aren't sensible . But ya... a fire kick? I guess, all he needs are cowboy boots now and he can cut with his kicks >.>

Sandai Mera

1. Usopp - This was all he really needed to become a serious combatant. The biggest misconception about Usopp is that he's just an inherently weak guy that has no talent in the area of combat.

Makes you wonder why/how he got his ass handed to him by Bon Clay,Mr.4,Ms. Merry Christmas,The Franky Family (not bashing just stating facts.)

Anyway best upgrade (from what I read up to)

Is Luffy & Gear.

Quexinos

I really love Luffy's gears, but Im hopeing it doesn't go up to gear 4, 5, 6… and so on and then every time he fights someone powerful he pulls out another gear. Oda doesn't seem like the type to do that so I think we'll be okay there.

Did I miss Ussop's upgrade BTW? O_o I think I did. Everyone keeps talking about it but I don't really remember seeing it besides a bigger sling shot thingy.

I also enjoyed monster Chopper, but it's not something he can use too often. He was long overdue for a new move though and i really like how he looks when he's all monsterish. He's fearsome but yet... somehow still cute.

Sanji, am I the only one that really didn't even get what he was doing?... is that even possible (Okay, it's OP, I realize that but...)