hmmmm Usopp is doing his see into the future thing again
although people calling him that would be awsome
The Demise of Buster Call Revealed
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Well, this has been discussed before but does it really need its own thread?
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hmmmm Usopp is doing his see into the future thing again
although people calling him that would be awsome
See my sig. for my 100% agreement with that statement.
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actually I'm wrong the best would be after destroying them someone hears Lord of Destruction Mentioned
so his WANTED poster is Sogeking with Lord of Destruction on it
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May I laugh yet?
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I imagines the possibility that Luffy might strike Lucci's body into a few of the Buster Call ships. Or something involving irony–Luffy's final blows always do.
However, it's not impossible that Usoop could destroy some Buster Call ships. Though I think the whole crew doing that would be more realistic and apppropriant--since it's the whole crew saving Robin.
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I think Ussop can destroy the Buster Call ships. But only if the Vice-Admirals aren't on the ships, they could have gone on land to take care of the problem or something. I just don't think he or anyone else there can take a Vice-Admiral, not yet. I mean these guys are just one rank under the likes of ao-Kiji.
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I dont think vice-admiral is all that great, sure its a high up position but that doesn't mean they are nessecarily strong (remember that old lady? she was a vide admiral) I believe most of them aren't as strong as cp9
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Uh oh, the buster call thread again?
Well, can we agree that the Buster ships alone are 'mortal'? They must have like, a lot of descructive power but normal armor. But who knows if the Vice Admirals are a factor.
I mean, the Vice admirals strength is fan based speculation, while I haven't really seen Oda foreshadow their strength. I don't know about Garp, but Giant John looks like the kind of guy to be "full of hot air." I mean, they must be much weaker then say, the Shichibukai, for example, so Luffy and Zoro could be okay.
^ Ah, cfmrfrpfmsf made a good point.
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… how exactly... does destroying ships going to make the situation any better? ...
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I dont think vice-admiral is all that great, sure its a high up position but that doesn't mean they are nessecarily strong (remember that old lady? she was a vide admiral) I believe most of them aren't as strong as cp9
**The thing about Crane is that Donflamingo actually did what she said. Sure he talked back a little but he, an ego-centric shichbukai, actually did what she said. And he was bullying WG officials to oblivion. She even went on to call him a "good boy" or was it "bad boy"? Can't remember.
That along with all the other Vice-Admirals showing so far seems to give me the idea that they are uber-strong. I'd say they are generally middle to middle-high schichbuaki level.** @Dr.Chopper:
… how exactly... does destroying ships going to make the situation any better? ...
Maybe because it's the Buster Call?
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… how exactly... does destroying ships going to make the situation any better? ...
I think it's part of a two step process of saving Robin, IMO. She's already realized the worth of her existence, when she cried out to Luffy that she wanted to live, but she still has her pathological fear of the buster call, the fear that kept her from resisting CP9 in the first place. Escaping from the buster call isn't going to be enough to save her, the strawhats have to show Robin that they can stand up against the buster call rather than just run away. It doesn't mean they have to blow every ship to kingdom come (although Usopp blowing up a few buster call ships would be freakin' awesome, and fit with his foreshadowing), but they have to at least oppose them. If Enies Lobby burns to the ground in front of Robin I think she's going to freak out.
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I think it's part of a two step process of saving Robin, IMO. She's already realized the worth of her existence, when she cried out to Luffy that she wanted to live, but she still has her pathological fear of the buster call, the fear that kept her from resisting CP9 in the first place. Escaping from the buster call isn't going to be enough to save her, the strawhats have to show Robin that they can stand up against the buster call rather than just run away. It doesn't mean they have to blow every ship to kingdom come (although Usopp blowing up a few buster call ships would be freakin' awesome, and fit with his foreshadowing), but they have to at least oppose them. If Enies Lobby burns to the ground in front of Robin I think she's going to freak out.
LOL! well said =p I can somewhat see it that way now.
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That old Lady Crane could probably kick some major ass, and at her old age she would probably shit kick Usopp.
BUT… I don't see why Usopp couldn't figure out a way to sink some battle ships either with some sort of crazy plan/trick or with some kind of Long Range attacks. I mean he may not be able to defeat many of the vice admirals, but he might be able to sink their ships. That said, not all Vice Admirals are riduculously strong; the two clowns that Doflamingo were puppeting didn't seem that strong to me.
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@Octogon:
I think Ussop can destroy the Buster Call ships. But only if the Vice-Admirals aren't on the ships, they could have gone on land to take care of the problem or something. I just don't think he or anyone else there can take a Vice-Admiral, not yet. I mean these guys are just one rank under the likes of ao-Kiji.
I agree mostly with these posts. I don't know about the other guys, but people like Nami, Usopp and Chopper definitely do not stand a chance against the vice admirals, not yet. It would not make sense to have Usopp defeating a vice admiral after showing how easily he lost to Jyabura.
Unless Oda wanted to do sth like making Usopp take them out from afar, ie let the vice admirals go down with the ships Usopp destroyed. But that would make the vice admirals look bad.
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That old Lady Crane could probably kick some major ass, and at her old age she would probably shit kick Usopp.
I would die of laughter if that little old lady started pulling some matrix Mihawk like moves out of her ass…
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Unless Oda wanted to do sth like making Usopp take them out from afar, ie let the vice admirals go down with the ships Usopp destroyed. But that would make the vice admirals look bad.
But who gives a shit if the Vice-Admirals look bad? The way Oda dealed with them for the moment (the fact it's 5 Vice-Admirals randomly chosen instead of apparently very powerful ones like in Ohara, the fact he didn't introduce them at all yet) makes me think they won't play a role at all in the Enies Lobby's attack, so that would be a perfect occasion for Usopp to showcase his skills of "ship-sinker".
As for those who say that "it woudln't be realist (again, realism in One Piece? Har Har), Usopp can't do it", what the fuck is he supposed to do then? Beat Spandam's ass? That's a task dedicated to Franky apparently, and as most already said here it'd seem really awkward if Usopp's redeeming action was to take down the weakest opponent of the arc, for reasons I won't repeat here.
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What if Ussop had no redeeming actions this arc? What if Franky beats Spandaman, and they run away from the BC? Or if they all fight it together.. Would that really be so terrible? Seems the SH are pretty much ignoring what has happened back at W7 with Franky and Ussop since Franky is joining the crew..
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Of course it wouldn't be "terrible", but I speak for myself here, it'd certainly suck shit.
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Actually, I think Usopp is the most likely SH to do something about the BC, safe from maybe Nami. Sinking a whole lot of ships would be done more efficiently from a great distance, while they are still heading towards EL, than when they're already there (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are all close range).
It would be in line with some of the foreshadowing: Usopp being the "destructor of ships" (and I believe he proclaimed to have sunk a lot of ships in Arabasta too), and Sanji stating there are things he could do, and things Usopp could do - because really, if he were talking about kicking Spandam's ass, I believe every SH could do that.
Also, it would be totally cool to see Usopp smash something so frightening. And character-wise, it would be a vast improvement too: while he now often looks a bit useless in battles, he becomes a true hero - and this without suddenly changing his character! -
Imagine for a second that the five vice admirals with the Buster Call are five members of the Strawhats: Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, and Nami.
If Luffy was on a ship that suddenly came under sniper attack could he do anything about it? Likely. His arms would likely be able to reach whatever position the sniper was at.
Could Zoro? No. He may be a dangerous swordsman but what could he do to attack the sniper? How long can his long range attacks travel? When he used them on Skypiea did they devastate everything for miles in the direction they were launch in? Or merely for meters ahead? What could he do to protect the ship?
Sanji? No. Despite he abilities there is nothing he could do at long range.
Usopp? Yes.
Nami? Likely. Although the Climatact has only been used at short range there isn't any reason she wouldn't be able to send a lightning bolt long distance to attack.
So Zoro and Sanji are strong correct? Stronger than Usopp and Nami. Yet Usopp and Nami would have a better chance of saving the ship than Zoro and Sanji. Assume that all five vice admirals are terrifyingly strong and all five are short range fighters, just what exactly do you think they could do to protect the Buster Call ships?
Devil Fruit users and long range specialists are the only people who would have a chance to protect the ships. Someone like Smoker might cover the ships in smoke so they couldn't be attacked, Kojiki could form an ice wall to block the attacks. Anyone with long range weapons could fire back. There is nothing to suggest that the vice admirals could protect their ships regardless of how strong they are alone unless those specific vice admirals have abilities beyond mere strength.
Would the vice admirals likely die in the attack? No and the Strawhats may still have to deal with them once they get to shore. But there is nothing to suggest that Usopp couldn't destroy every ship in the Buster Call except one thing: cannons.
The Buster Call is feared because of its destructive power. Its destructive power comes from those cannons. While Usopp might destroy a few ships before they reach the range to fire back and before they spot him but eventually all those ships will be able to return fire.
May guess is that Usopp will position himself atop the building he is currently is in. Perhaps he has a way to hide his position from the ships once he attacks. Perhaps not. Usopp destroys a few before they spot him or before they can attack him. Then they either reach range or find his position. The already damaged tower comes under fire. Regardless of their fire power cannons are not overly accurate. Kabuto likely is. As the cannonfire comes closer and closer, Usopp destroys ship after ship with whatever traps he has laid and whatever Kabuto can throw out until it is just the last ship and him. He fires. The ship fires. Both strike their targets and as the last ship sinks the building collapses leaving Usopp's fate in doubt as the chapter ends.
Of course, that is just a possibility. It's real purpose is not even to guess how Usopp will destroy Buster Call. But to prove that it would be realistically possible for Usopp to destroy Buster Call.
There are other possibilities. Zoro might join in but being the secondary character to Usopp in the same way that Usopp was to him early. While he can't attack the ships he might be able to destroy any cannonballs that come to close to buy Usopp more time. It's been wondered how Zoro would find his way to the group alone. If he supports Usopp and then goes to Gate with him that might explain it.
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Ya know, I'm curious, what would happen if the SHs meet the Vice Admirals, and the SHs just kick the shit out of them? These guys strengths have been so hyped up by the boards already…
Honestly though, we can't have guys stronger then the CP9 appearing before the arc is over--at least if they are going to get into serious fights with the SHs. I honestly think that the Buster Call will just do more to provide atmosphere for Luffy vs. Lucci.
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I dont think vice-admiral is all that great, sure its a high up position but that doesn't mean they are nessecarily strong (remember that old lady? she was a vide admiral) I believe most of them aren't as strong as cp9
She was introcued as a tactician, so she must be a very good one, hence the high rank.
Vice Admirals not powerful? There's been the types of Saul, Kuzan, and Garp. I'm willing to bet they could've given CP9 a run for their money.
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If the Vice-Admirals set foot on Enies Lobby the Strawhats are screwed, I can't imagine them being weaker or even on par with CP9 and I don't see Luffy and co having another big fight against opponents of this level.
But they won't. And that's where Usopp enters the stage. Hopefully.
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I think it is unwise to get your hopes up too high for something so specific. It would be cool to see Usopp take on Buster Call, but at this moment there isn't any evidence to suggest that is what's going to happen. I'm sure that Usopp's lie in Alabasta will come true, though.
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She was introcued as a tactician, so she must be a very good one, hence the high rank.
Vice Admirals not powerful? There's been the types of Saul, Kuzan, and Garp. I'm willing to bet they could've given CP9 a run for their money.
Well, isn't Kuzan a full Admiral now (he's the red guy right?). Saul was killed by Ao kiji, at the time another Vice admiral. And Garp…seems pretty strong, but how great is breaking a cannon compared to the other SHs. Okay, that last guy may be strong, but I don't think he'll be in the Buster Call anyway.
Then, there's the old lady who is a Vice Admiral based solely on the fact that she is a tactician--so I imagine that a few other Vice Admirals must be like that.
I just don't think the fact that the Vice Admirals are a rank below the mighty Admirals has a bearing on their strength. Also, I imagine that the Admirals are the marine-equivalent of the Shichibukai right(maybe a little higher)? The Vice Admirals must be much weaker then the likes of Crocodile.
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If nothing happens this arc (or soon afterwards thats directly related to all of this) even after Usopps revelation then yes that would be horrible story telling on Odas part and all of the build up for Usopp would of been wasted. Right now all he has is build up, and so far there has been nothing done to develop his character unless something happens to complete this, and that something has to be a major thing Usopp does to help (that only he can do) to make him feel like a part of the crew.
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I just don't think the fact that the Vice Admirals are a rank below the mighty Admirals has a bearing on their strength. Also, I imagine that the Admirals are the marine-equivalent of the Shichibukai right(maybe a little higher)? The Vice Admirals must be much weaker then the likes of Crocodile.
why must the Vice-Admirals be much weaker than Crocodile? that would mean they are about Arlong level. Guys like T-Bone can decimate people like arlong easily. That is wayy to much of a strengh gap. why would the Vice-Admirals all be people below Croc and yet the Admirals able to own him with their eyes closed? Besides the way Crane ordered Donflamingo gives me the idea the strong VA's are monsters compared to Donflamingo.
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To me, it works that way (WARNING, RANKING PULLED STRAIGHT OUT OF MY ASS):
Admirals > Shichibukais > Strongest Vice Admirals > Lucci, Kaku, Jyabura > Average Vice Admirals > Blueno, Kumadori, Fukurou, Calipha > Weakest Vice Admirals
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@Octogon:
why must the Vice-Admirals be much weaker than Crocodile? that would mean they are about Arlong level. Guys like T-Bone can decimate people like arlong easily. That is wayy to much of a strengh gap. why would the Vice-Admirals all be people below Croc and yet the Admirals able to own him with their eyes closed? Besides the way Crane ordered Donflamingo gives me the idea the strong VA's are monsters compared to Donflamingo.
Crocodile would very likey kill Arlong, depending on the setting (the advantage would be to Alrong in a coastline area). Ao Kiji might be able to own Crocodile, but I don't know about the other shichibukai, we don't know much about there strength expect that they are probably stronger then Croc. And we don't know how strong the other two admirals are, I mean are then above or below Ao Kiji in stregnth, and by how much?
Plus, there must over ten vice admirals or so, since the Buster Call wouldn't work if they used all their vice admirals (5). If they had that many strong guy, why do they need the shichibukai.
I know, someone said that part of the shichibukai's job is to strike fear in pirates. But, if they have that many more people who are stronger then the shichibukai, why couldn't they just have the vice admirals kick their asses and get rid of them? People would be afraid of the vice admirals then instead, after hearing that they were defeated.
Also, I think you're reading too much into that scene, while it's true that Donflamingo did stop he still didn't show any fear of the old lady. Hell, the shichibukai gave me the impression that they could kill everyone in the room if they felt like it. They just couldn't because they'd lose their position.
And why is the strength of the shichibukai getting trivalized all of the sudden? Aren't they still some of the strongest pirates in the sea, surpassed only by maybe Whitebeard and Blackbeard (less likely), and tying with the Admirals (more or less)?
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DoFlamingo stopped the moment Sengoku entered the room, which actually speaks volume about the Gensui's level.
As for the Shichibukais, to me they're inferior to the Admirals. Based on the fact they're supposedly two of the three Great Powers, hance they're of equal strenght, but the Admirals are only three against seven Shichibukais, so individually I think they're stronger. That and the fact the WG calls the Admirals "Ultimate Task Force" or "Greatest Powers".
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OT: Think Oda's doing the same "animal" thing for the ShichiBukai that he did for CP9?
Crocodile, LuFlamingo, Bartholomew Bear, Hawkeye?
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DoFlamingo stopped the moment Sengoku entered the room, which actually speaks volume about the Gensui's level.
As for the Shichibukais, to me they're inferior to the Admirals. Based on the fact they're supposedly two of the three Great Powers, hance they're of equal strenght, but the Admirals are only three against seven Shichibukais, so individually I think they're stronger. That and the fact the WG calls the Admirals "Ultimate Task Force" or "Greatest Powers".
I would only like to add to this that while Crane is only a Vice-Admiral, it looks to me that in the pecking order she comes right below Sengoku, so she might be an anomaly. After all, while in the lower ranks there is a great fluctuation in power (Nezumi, who most likely bribed his way up to captain and Smoker who by all rights should be an Admiral), it seems that the greater ranks are selected by power, or rather battle ability. It may be that Crane is a Vice-Admiral only because she doesn't command ships like the three Admirals and in the HQ her rank is right below Sengoku, which would make her stronger than the Shichibukai.
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As Aldrich said, there isn't much doubt that the admirals are the strongest (Aokiji and co.). For the schichibukai, to be labeled as one of the three great powers, they seem to be at a higher level than the vice admirals. As for the CP9, they are a covert assassination squad that are also up there in power. However, Spandine does call Kuzan (Young Aokiji) "Sir" (Pg. 9, CH. 397). So, the director of CP9 is below a vice-admiral so the members themselves are naturally below in rank. Now by a navy that generally promotes power to achieve their purpose, the vice-admirals should be stronger (if not somewhat significantly) than the members of CP9. However, if there is to be an acception to any of these, it would be Lucci, who, in my opinion, could go toe to toe with Saul.
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The Shichibukai exist solely for the purpose of keeping down the total number of pirates, and to provide the WG with extra swag. Argh!
The twin purposes of the Shichibukai are keep down the total number of pirates and provide the WG with extra swag. They also scare pirates away from the Grand Line.
ARRGH!
The Thrrree functions that the Shichibukai perform are: (1.) Keeping down the number of pirates by killing them. (2.) Providing the WG with extra swag. (3.) Scaring pirates away from the Grand Line, so that the WG can get a firm grip on it and finally turn its attention to the Blues.
I have heard time and time again that the reason the World Gov't. makes a pirate a Shichibukai is because they are too troublesome to get rid of through the agency of bounty hunters. As for why the Admirals and Vice Admirals don't take down a pirate before they become a Shichibukai? Because they are "too unimportant" to waste their time on. Moreover, sending out your higher ranking officers to deal with pirates gives the people the impression that the pirates are far stronger than the WG. Even if this assessment is true, they won't want people to know it. Everything the Gorousei have done so far in the story has been in an effort to cover up a weakness, or cover up the truth. I'm sure that they could have dealt with Doflamingo, Crocodile, and Mihawk permanently if they had really wanted to, but why let that talent go to waste? Such men would never take orders, so pressing them into service would be pointless; far better to make them privateers and let them thin the ranks of piracy-for a share of the profit.
Whether or not any given Vice Admiral could take down any given Shichibukai has merit only in determining the strength of that particular Vice Admiral-not in determining the physical prowess necessary to hold the rank. The Vice Admirals might be a rather mixed lot, with some very powerful fighters and some clever tacticians. But even the Shichibukai are unwilling to face the full brunt of the WG's might. As to which type of Vice Admiral would get sent out to this particular Buster Call, we don't know yet. I will agree, however, with the statement that Usopp can indeed sink a BC ship. As to the whole fleet? Well…it is a manga, and Oda's manga at that. I'll wait to see what he does with Usopp and the Buster Call.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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Moreover, sending out your higher ranking officers to deal with pirates gives the people the impression that the pirates are far stronger than the WG. Even if this assessment is true, they won't want people to know it. Everything the Gorousei have done so far in the story has been in an effort to cover up a weakness, or cover up the truth. I'm sure that they could have dealt with Doflamingo, Crocodile, and Mihawk permanently if they had really wanted to, but why let that talent go to waste? Such men would never take orders, so pressing them into service would be pointless; far better to make them privateers and let them thin the ranks of piracy-for a share of the profit.
Whether or not any given Vice Admiral could take down any given Shichibukai has merit only in determining the strength of that particular Vice Admiral-not in determining the physical prowess necessary to hold the rank. The Vice Admirals might be a rather mixed lot, with some very powerful fighters and some clever tacticians. But even the Shichibukai are unwilling to face the full brunt of the WG's might. As to which type of Vice Admiral would get sent out to this particular Buster Call, we don't know yet. I will agree, however, with the statement that Usopp can indeed sink a BC ship. As to the whole fleet? Well…it is a manga, and Oda's manga at that. I'll wait to see what he does with Usopp and the Buster Call.
Sending a high ranking officer to kill a shichibakuo makes the world government look…weak? What logic is that? It a large organization sends one man to kill an infamous strong man then it makes the organzation look strong! Plus, the whole "using shichbukai to speard fear" would be worthless if the World Government has a bunch of guys who can take them out--then the World Government would be spreading the fear with guys they can control.
The shichibukai are too "unimportant"? Even freaking Mihawk? How did the Shichibukai suddenly become weak--Luffy's only beaten the weakest one so far! So far the only people who can match or surpass them are Whitebeard, maybe Blackbeard, and maybe all three of the admirals (Ao Kiji> Crocodile but after that who knows).
One Piece so far has given me the impression that the SHs have to beat:
The shichibukai
The three Admirals
Blackbeard?
Whitebeards crew
And maybe the red hair crew.But now, we have to throw in at least a dozen guys who can suddenly beat the shichibukau? That doesn't make sense. The Buster Call and the Vice admirals on these ships will be beaten by the end of the Enies Lobby arc or it will dampen the SHs victory.
! I mean, in the latest chapter it's clear that Lucci and Luffy will fight while hte Buster Call is attacking, they only have 10 minutes.
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We know very little about any of the vice admirals at any rate, so it's presumptious to say they're weaker than CP9. But, because they're important figures in a military setting, I'd say they'd have to be at least as strong as a unit of covert assassins, at least in full frontal combat.
I'd say Garp absent mindedly dozing off while someone was trying to cut his chest open says something about his strength, and crushing a cannon with his bare hands immediately after waking up.
And Saul, yeah, he was beaten pretty easily by Aokiji, but he took down 5 warships with his bare hands, and was still good to go after all the shots he'd taken.
As for Sengoku, I do believe he'll be a powerful fighter, I think his power is primarily political. If Doflamingo kept horsing around after the leader of the world's miltary told him to knock it off, he'd be in a pretty bad situation.
Of course, I doubt any of the Vice Admirals will set foot on the island. I think they're present solely as military commanders, but might have to step in if something like Saul pops up.
@IT'S:
OT: Think Oda's doing the same "animal" thing for the ShichiBukai that he did for CP9?
Crocodile, LuFlamingo, Bartholomew Bear, Hawkeye?Yeah, we've noticed this. All of the Shichibukai named so far have animal names.
And it's "Doflamingo."
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I don't think Sengoku's power is primarly political. DoFlamingo completely ignored Tsuru's request to stop fooling around, he attacked Vice-Admirals just for fun, if he doesn't give a damn about Tsuru who's apparently very high in the Marine's chain of command, why would he obey the Gensui's orders? It clearly implied to me that he was scared of Sengoku.
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He doesn't have to be afraid of Sengoku's physical power.
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No? So somehow he wouldn't care about killing two vice-admirals and disobeying a high ranked officer of the HQ but he'd respect Sengoku's position? Doesn't make much sense to me.
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No? So somehow he wouldn't care about killing two vice-admirals and disobeying a high ranked officer of the HQ but he'd respect Sengoku's position? Doesn't make much sense to me.
How do you know he was toying with V-ce-Admirals? How do you know they were even in the marines? they could have been in the WG.
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They had typical Marine officers coats with the "Justice" kanji in the back. Now you're right, there's no way to know if they were Vice-Admirals or not, though they obviously were high ranked officers as Oda said in a SBS above a certain rank Marine officers should wear a suit and the traditional Justice coat.
My point remains though: if DoFlamingo ignores the disciplinary consequences of toying with Marine officers and flat out disobeying the orders of Tsuru, why would he care about Sengoku ordering him to stop if he didn't know the Gensui could kick his tranny's ass into Bolivia (
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No? So somehow he wouldn't care about killing two vice-admirals and disobeying a high ranked officer of the HQ but he'd respect Sengoku's position? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I thought it was obviously he was just toying around, I doubt he intended to hurt either of them.
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They had typical Marine officers coats with the "Justice" kanji in the back. Now you're right, there's no way to know if they were Vice-Admirals or not, though they obviously were high ranked officers as Oda said in a SBS above a certain rank Marine officers should wear a suit and the traditional Justice coat.
My point remains though: if DoFlamingo ignores the disciplinary consequences of toying with Marine officers and flat out disobeying the orders of Tsuru, why would he care about Sengoku ordering him to stop if he didn't know the Gensui could kick his tranny's ass into Bolivia (
Mike Tyson)?I agree he was afraid of sengoku kicking his ass. Not like Donflamingo would give a shit about his political power. If he cared so much he wouldn't have toyed with the officers. And by the looks of it Donflimgo is overly ego-centric. Donflamingo must treat people like Mihawk as if they were on his level, which is what gives me the idea that Sengoku > Donflamingo by far.
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Yeah exactly. He couldn't care less about official positions, he respects power only. It perfectly fits with his "new age of piracy" philosophy.
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I agree with what you guys are saying, however, I don't believe he is as scared of the Sengoku as your discussion makes it seems. Yes, Sengoku tells him to stop and asks him "You're not here to fight a battle?" and Doflamingo follows; but, he keeps his wry, egotistical smile as he smirks off to the Sengoku and even keeps his hands in their puppeteer position. To me, it seems that Doflamingo knows Sengoku is powerful but is willing to bet that he is just as strong; he would just be a fool to kill two high ranking marines at marine headquarters in front of the fleet admiral.
"Sheet! I am wet!"
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I agree with what you guys are saying, however, I don't believe he is as scared of the Sengoku as your discussion makes it seems. Yes, Sengoku tells him to stop and asks him "You're not here to fight a battle?" and Doflamingo follows; but, he keeps his wry, egotistical smile as he smirks off to the Sengoku and even keeps his hands in their puppeteer position. To me, it seems that Doflamingo knows Sengoku is powerful but is willing to bet that he is just as strong; he would just be a fool to kill two high ranking marines at marine headquarters in front of the fleet admiral.
Thats my point exactly, he is ego-centric. Perhaps moreso than Crocodile. For him to treat someone as if they were on his level is basiclly saying they can kick his arse. Croc thought Luffy to be a no good kid, even when lufy was kicking his ass. Can you imagine Croc treating ANYONE as is they were his equal. He talked about Smoker as if he was garbage, which we know he can at leat give croc a run for him money.
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I think Sengoku's goat turns into a dragon.
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But obviously he has to be pretty powerful to rank higher than Aokiji. Everything we've seen so far seems to indicate that rank = fighting power. Except in Smoker's case, of course. -
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Everything we've seen so far seems to indicate that rank = fighting power.
So Nezumi and Morgan are just as strong as Hina and T-Bone?
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
