Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blueno wasn't immediately rendered unconscious by "Jet Bazooka". I can imagine another tough guy type such as Jabs at least trying to continue that fight. Very cool chapter, thanks to those for Raws and trans.
Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
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I think someone mentioned it in another thread (Ivotas I think); about a lot of the CP9 battles ending midway through the chapter. So maybe Jyabura'll get back up and fight.
I've been thinking about Spandam's demise, and while highly unlikely, I think it would be really cool if all of the Mugiwara attacked him at the same time (simila to what happened to that conductor guy in movie…2 I think it was). I reallly enjoyed that scene, and Spandam deserves it.
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awesome fight,cover and pin-up this weeks but where is the other half of the popularity poll? and what does that say in the corner about sogeking? pls translate that too…..
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I liked the colourspread (Sanji looks great, you can't draw him badly in black), but I also found the chapter a little devoid of "substance". I don't consider an OP battle closed until the finishing move is shown to have actually waylaid the foe, and Jyabura could still pick himself up. We're not much further along than at the end of 414.
Yeah, Sanji gets his Gear Two, but did we expect any less? It seems everyone's getting a rabbit to pull out of their hat this arc. I don't like it both because it means every fight is getting predictable– it's not done until the new moves are shown, plus it brings the "what next" issue. If we know there's untapped potential in Sanji or Nami or Chopper, it's something we can be teased on, but now they're going to have to "move into" their advanced skills and set the stage to be exciting again.
Finally, the spinning move makes me think Okama Kempo. Wouldn't it be funny if we found out that Sanji was still under the tub of water all glossy and Bon Kurei had masterminded an escape from Impel Down? XD
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Remember Califa? She had a 2 page spread, and that battle didn't end for another chapter and a half.
Are you refering to the last 2 pages of chpt 410? She wasn't even hit in that 2-page spread. It's just Chopper entering the room. When the others talk about 2-page spread, I think they mean the ones whereby the CP9er is pwned.
Anyway I don't care whether the fight has ended or not. I am more interested in whats going on at the tunnel leading to gate of justice.
@Capt:
What if Ussop put a Heat Dial in Sanji's Shoe? That would explain why the friction caused so much heat that he's glowing, but he's not actually on fire. One I thought of that it seems pretty simple that a strong jolt like a kick could suddenly release part of the heat. Once that happens it superheat the air and cause an explosion which explains both the fire, and the extra force the kicks are causing.
I hope not. It's cooler if Sanji do this on his own.
@the:
Does my not being blown away by this chapter make me a bad person?
If it does, then I'm a bad person as well.
So far the only fight that blows me away is Chopper vs Kumadori.<–- That's what I call intense.
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I wasn't blown away by the chapter either, maybe that's why I think the fight hasn't ended. If it has, then that was mildly disappointing, I thought Sanji v. Wanze was a lot more interesting. I was definately awed by the art, it was just such a pretty chapter to look at. Just look back at those scans from the Alabasta fight and compare it with 415.
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@Cap'n:
Though I'm a bit miffed about Sanji pulling the "devil" thing out of nowhere (THAT jutsu), I still thought it was cool.
I originally thought the same, but I've been thinking what if he knew that technique ever since he trained with Sef? We know that Sef used to be able to contend with pirates on the grand line and was named Red Leg Sef because his legs were dyed with the blood of his enemies… or so we heard from Don Krieg which are rumors at best. What if he was named Red Leg Sef not for the blood of his enemies, but that technique?
Something Sanji fans have been complaining about was the lack of overwhelmingly strong confrontations for Sanji, the only fight he lost so far was against Arlong where he was already half drowned and smashed against a couple walls and possibly unable to perform this technique... What I'm trying to say is maybe Sanji knew this technique the whole time through One Piece and had no reason to reveal it, or a reason not to.
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he defenitely didn't know the technique before.it is just cool to see sanji becoming stronger although i would like to see somethin like rankyoku from him and not nescesserily with flames,great chapter,can't wait to see zoro's upgrade!!! oh and guys you have to reupload your avatars otherwise you will always have the red x
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Just a ponder: Can a Sanji fight really be over without a Jyabura-shaped hole in the wall?
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Just a ponder: Can a Sanji fight really be over without a Jyabura-shaped hole in the wall?
at least we know that somewhere in 416 the battle will have end,i hope it ends in the first page where sanji lights a cigarette over dead jyabura's head (if he won't be killed by sanji spandam has taken care of it by requesting the buster call) and runs with the key to save robin!!and am i the only one to think zoro won't be able to folllow chimney's arrows that point the right direction in the wall?
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Has any MQ or HQ version of the popularity poll surfaced yet?
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and am i the only one to think zoro won't be able to folllow chimney's arrows that point the right direction in the wall?
Haha, no, you're not..if Sanji goes after Nami and co. right now, God knows what Zoro's gonna do..maybe his fight with Kaku will end up right in front of the gate, i don't know.
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Now Sanji has an attack based on heat. Luffy's gears use heat too… will Zoro's upgrade will be heat based too ? Are they all planning for the upcoming Aokiji battle (we know Luffy is).
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Zoro's final attack is going to topple the tower. Take my word for it.
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Zoro's final attack is going to topple the tower. Take my word for it.
topple it? There won't be two stones left ontop each other when his fight is over.
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topple it? There won't be two stones left ontop each other when his fight is over.
THe top half that dangles so precariously over the bottom bit. Thats gonna fall =o
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Good chapter! Now all that's left of the other CP9s is Kaku (If Jabs is indeed out for the count).
He can cut steel, but will Zoro be able to master cutting giraffe?
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Of course he will. He's Zoro.
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Actually since Kaku sliced it across Zoro is going to cut it up and down. That would be sweet. There fight is going to be awesome especially if Kaku gets serious with the fight.ODA IS KING!
But according to Krieg, Zeff got his nickname for bloodstains on his leg. I dont remember Zeff ever actually agreeing to it. Plus Krieg isn't very knowledgable. He even admits it. Sanji could've gotten the move from Zeff. Hopefully next chapter will wrap it up. Next chapter is gonna be awesome!
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THe top half that dangles so precariously over the bottom bit. Thats gonna fall =o
That's just not enough for Zoro he's gonna vaporize it
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OMG! VAPORIZE?
anyway, luv the chapter, and zoro will definetly cut SOMETHING, whether kaku's ego, or his arm off. :D
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Zoro will cut off Kaku's nose!
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i wouldn't like to see an upgrade based on heat like fire swords and teshioni cool avatar and sig and goty why don't you make a sig of slam dunk? or you can use this
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Kaku the Usopp Impersonator. I hope he cuts his long neck while Zoro is at it.
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Zoro's final attack is going to topple the tower. Take my word for it.
I think my head might explode from the badassity if Zoro topples the Judicial Tower. If defeating a Marine captain, being on a crew that revolted against the government, and defeating a CP9 officer doesn't get Zoro a bounty toppling the tower certainly will. I'd love to see him split it or something, and then it falls and you see him standing in the rubble covered in blood sheathing Wadou and saying something badass.
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Speaking of Zoro's future fight, I'm also curious about any new techniques that Kaku will unveil during his fight will Zoro. We know he has "four-sword" techs and nose shigan, but what will he use to give him an edge over Zoro?
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@Mr.:
I think my head might explode from the badassity if Zoro topples the Judicial Tower. If defeating a Marine captain, being on a crew that revolted against the government, and defeating a CP9 officer doesn't get Zoro a bounty toppling the tower certainly will. I'd love to see him split it or something, and then it falls and you see him standing in the rubble covered in blood sheathing Wadou and saying something badass.
Kaku sliced it in half, it's only fitting to have Zoro destroy the top half completey :P
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you know i was pretty impressed with some of jyabura's moves. he really was a tip top martial artist, even amongst the ranks of cp9. kaku hasn't impressive me a whole lot, besides the sort of comical twist to his attacks. i kinda hope he shows more originality. lucchi though, has been the most boring so far. i know we've only seen him a little bit, but he's shown no specialty moves.
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so let's wait and see kaku since we are gonna be seeing him for the next month
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you know i was pretty impressed with some of jyabura's moves. he really was a tip top martial artist, even amongst the ranks of cp9. kaku hasn't impressive me a whole lot, besides the sort of comical twist to his attacks. i kinda hope he shows more originality. lucchi though, has been the most boring so far. i know we've only seen him a little bit, but he's shown no specialty moves.
Well, I've found the dialogue-less skirmishes between Lucci and Luffy to be more interesting than Nami vs Califa and Zoro vs Kaku, personally. Just all out, badass brawling.
I'm sure that Lucci will have plenty of awesome tricks, but Oda's saving them up for when it's just him and Luffy. I really hope to see that fight uninterrupted, it'll be awesome.
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@Cap'n:
Well, I've found the dialogue-less skirmishes between Lucci and Luffy to be more interesting than Nami vs Califa and Zoro vs Kaku, personally. Just all out, badass brawling.
I agree. The small preview that we had was simply fantastic. No need for meaningless dialogue. They both know exactly what they need to do.
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Jabura still has one more trick up his sleeve… He's going to huff and puff and blow on Sanji's hot leg, effectively cooling it down. Or maybe just use some weird version of the wind slice kick. That would be hilarious.
This was a good chapter all in all.
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Yay Sanji! So, was Jyabura beaten?
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Yo wanna make a little comment:
If in every fight everything needs to be explained then it would be quickly very boring (and too DBZ-isch or Naruto-isch –> instead of fighting "trying" to explain the unexplicable power-up by or talk or thoughts for whole chapters)
So we know that in One Piece everything has a OP-logical explanation and ODA doesn t give us a clear explanation cause he respect us and doesn t think we are morons(for example: Luffy trained for 10 years to be able to do gomugomuno pistolet
-> he tested it against the sea-monster that ate Shanks' arm
Did Oda gave us explanations on why did he take that much of time for just one move NO, not in the manga but he did in the red data book: and explained that Luffy learned to compress the rubber in his arms to release a powerfull punch tataaa)
So please don t whine for the lack of explanation but be happy for the respect and I know for sure that the ones who whine now would whine if there was too much info ( like stupid chap nothing happens and so....) -
One thing I've noticed in One Piece is that most of the moves that the SHs have are logical extensions of their power, and the really weird ones are explained. Zoro had a flashback for steel cutting and foreshadowing for flying blades, and nothing else.
All of Luffy's moves are stretching and twisting, and he explained Gear 2.
For Sanji, well, how do we know we've seen all his moves already? Sanji didn't use one named kick attack at his opening and has been unveiling his moves ever since.
Now, this fire kick seems to be a logical extension of his abilities already. He spins very fast to build heat on his feet, and Sanji has always been fast. We could get more development on this move later, but does it need a flashback? I buy into the theory that he didn't have enough time to use it on the sea train, but he must have learned this move after he left Baratie.
Also, I personally think that Sanji, like Luffy, made this move to fight against Ao Kiji. He'd want to protect Robin next time right?
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I'm just a bit miffed it just came out of nowhere. I mean, so did Gear 2, but that's expected and bound to have some kind of explanation.
Sanji's Devil thing makes sense now that I think about it, but it just seemed too much like "that jutsu."
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I agree wit those that say it doesn't need to be explained. I however would like a panel or two on it. But what happens is pretty self-explanitory.
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Yeah, nobody is asking all the moves in One Piece to be explained like "this is how I did this move". There's just something about the way Sanji had an unexplained boost in strength that is amiss. You have to wonder why Sanji didn't think of this when he was trying to stop Blueno from taking Robin. As someone else pointed out, when Zoro learned to cut steel, it wasn't like he suddenly just did a move and said "I can cut steel now!"
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Yeah, nobody is asking all the moves in One Piece to be explained like "this is how I did this move". There's just something about the way Sanji had an unexplained boost in strength that is amiss. You have to wonder why Sanji didn't think of this when he was trying to stop Blueno from taking Robin. As someone else pointed out, when Zoro learned to cut steel, it wasn't like he suddenly just did a move and said "I can cut steel now!"
**I think it's obvious why he didn't heat up his leg. He underestimated blueno.
In my opinion he knew about the move efore eneis lobby but didn't dare do it or know how to until he strawted to fight jabura.**
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@Octogon:
I think it's obvious why he didn't heat up his leg. He underestimated blueno.
In my opinion he knew about the move efore eneis lobby but didn't dare do it or know how to until he strawted to fight jabura.
I can't imagine that he would hold back just because he underestimated him. It was obvious he was getting his ass handed to him and he would need to try harder. What I can believe, now that I think about it, is that for one thing, he hadn't yet heard the explaination behind Robin's stubborness until AFTER she already disappeared through his door, so he was still confused as to why Robin was refusing to go with them and even attacking them. (although they did tell him she was being forced into the situation on the snail phone, her actions still left him somewhat perplexed) Once he heard about Buster Call and Robin say from her own mouth that she wanted to be saved, his doubts were wiped out.
Also, Blueno's door tricks were a foil for him, as Blueno wasn't really trying to attack Sanji but just trying to avoid him.OK I just answered part of my own question. As to whether he had thought of this move before or if it just came to him then, we may not get to know.
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To people that seem to think that Sanji mostly gets "easy fights" and that this fight was too easy for him - Sanji and Zoro/Luffy fight completely differently. Sanji is not good at taking hits, but very good at dodging. Zoro and Luffy are very good at taking hits. As such, a difficult fight for Sanji is one where he takes 2 hits and needs to dodge a lot, as opposed to Zoro losing 5 liters of blood. Sanji getting launched into the opposite wall, getting quadruple-wolf Rankyaku'd, getting shiganed by air claws, and getting drop-shiganed in the leg really shows how strong Jyabura is. Especially considering how little dodging he even needed to try to do against the easy opponent, Wanze. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
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I change my vote:
We may need at least the first half/third of the next chapter to be the "true" finish to Sanji's fight. I'm fine if it doesn't, but at least it'll pacify all you rabid fans. :/
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snarls rabidly at Myoti and foams at the mouth
MORE FIGHT MORE FIGHT
Actually I don't care either, the sooner we get through all these fights the better. XD
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wow great chapter i guess we have fire fist ace and now we have fire foot sanji. i think zoro's upgrade might end up being able to cut anything he wants when ever he chooses. the only time we've seen zoro hear the breath of things was when he was near death and if he wants to upgrade he's going to have to do it during every fight and whenever he chooses to. i don't really think zoro need's a new super attack since he already has so many he just needs that cut everything technique now.
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One Piece needs more glowing limbs!!
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I think Zoro cutting everything will be done vs. Mihawk or during his final fight. I mean, if he could everything now, he can beat everyone after this no problem. It might take a little training, but he can manage it after an arc or two. IMO, he'll learn to cut steel at will, to break Kaku's tekkai. I feel that's what all the SHs have had to worry about most this arc. Luffy, Chopper, and Sanji all had problems with tekkai. But then again, does tekkai only protect against hand-to-hand/crushing attacks, or against cutting attacks as well?
And I dearly want to see Sanji cook something with his fire-foot…t'would be fun, aye!
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I think Zoro cutting everything will be done vs. Mihawk or during his final fight. I mean, if he could everything now, he can beat everyone after this no problem. It might take a little training, but he can manage it after an arc or two. IMO, he'll learn to cut steel at will, to break Kaku's tekkai. I feel that's what all the SHs have had to worry about most this arc. Luffy, Chopper, and Sanji all had problems with tekkai. But then again, does tekkai only protect against hand-to-hand/crushing attacks, or against cutting attacks as well?
And I dearly want to see Sanji cook something with his fire-foot…t'would be fun, aye!
Tekkai has been proven against things other than fists and blunt objects: Lucchi used tekkai to stop Zoro at Iceberg's place…however, I doubt Kaku will be so lucky in the near future...
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I still don't understand the difficulty here.
Sanjis technique is just the logical next step in his moves, learning to hold the energy instead of releasing it like I explained. Other than the flame design I don't see why you guys find it so difficult to accept that instead of releasing the energy of a spinning roundhouse kick he holds it inside his body until he wants to release it. -
no i think it's not that simple….
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I don't have much to say except the usual "this chapter was great." except that I think the most obvious Sanji-nick has been missed: "Hot Foot" Sanji.