No, Te-awase's is only a method to measure the level of your athletics!!
Luffy & Zoro (Potential Spoilers)
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And it's not like they used shigan, rankyaku, swords, or tekkai punches on Furoku when they got measured.
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@$abZ:
Lol @ jinjue saying he hates these kinds of threads, then replying with the big posts above.
If OIP gets a whiff of this thread, we'll have a repeat of the thread that got closed, which went on for about 50-60 pages. I really wouldn't continue this…
... actually, I would once started. But you guys don't have to.
I go on holiday for a few weeks and Look at what I find…...
Oh and we only get 50-60 pages because you make up your own theories and think they are part of the manga.
There's no real need for me to repeat myself, so far you haven't shown any facts to your arguments. While everything I say has either been stated in the manga or in a data book.
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Why does anyone want Luffy and Zoro to fight, anyway? Since when has Luffy ever fought an exclusivly sword-using opponent (Kuro swords are just claws, mind you, and do not count as swords)?
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what makes zoro equal to luffy is his style..swords.sure,if zoro didnt use swords,then he wouldnt be louffys equal,but he does,so he is.
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i don't think they'll be equal in the future, just like archtyrant said, it's the difference of their dreams.
mihawk: "kid what's your goal?"
luffy: "to become pirate king"
mihawk: "what a stupid dream. it means the you have to become stronger than me you know?"another (but this is just a thought),
i don't think it's a good idea for the captain and crew to have little difference or equal in strength/fighting skills. if this is so, then that crew is better off alone, or be a captain and have his own crew. -
i don't think they'll be equal in the future, just like archtyrant said, it's the difference of their dreams.
mihawk: "kid what's your goal?"
luffy: "to become pirate king"
mihawk: "what a stupid dream. it means the you have to become stronger than me you know?"Oh boy… please go read that part again...
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I don't believe that ever happened.
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Actually, it's the exact same words on the translations i got, except its the "greatest pirate" instead of "pirate king".
It's page 11 of chapter 52.
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I go on holiday for a few weeks and Look at what I find…...
Oh and we only get 50-60 pages because you make up your own theories and think they are part of the manga.
There's no real need for me to repeat myself, so far you haven't shown any facts to your arguments. While everything I say has either been stated in the manga or in a data book.
You get statements but don't analyse them. That's your problem.
I said there is not enough good proof to prove that Luffy and Zoro are equal, you said they are definately equal.
Then you came up with the Whiskey Peak fight. I said that the fight was un-finished and too short, so the real outcome was not shown. Therefore, as much as they looked equal, it is NOT good enough proof. It PROVES nothing.
Then you came up with the chart, saying that Luffy and Zoro both had 6 as strength. I said that the number 6 is too low of a number to compare strength of two characters in the chart, to an exact point. Then I said that Luffy could have been 6.7 and Zoro could have been 6.1… and I also said that 6 could be the Straw Hats power levels divided by six, then bounderies placed in between 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.... meaning that the value of 6 COULD be bigger than you think. But you went and said "but 6=6, and Oda said nothing about the value of 6, so we must assume that 6=6". Well, assuming doesn't PROVE anything. Oda never mentioned the value of 6, therefore, it could be anything… like the value I guessed. That's why the chart doesn't fully prove anything.
My advice to you is... wait until some good proof... that actually PROVES that they are equal. For example: a quote from the manga saying that Luffy is infact the same strength as Zoro; which I wouldn't be able to counter at all. Or you could wait for a FINISHED fight between the two, so we know the results.
Lol... the funny thing is... I used maths to come up with that "sixth" theory, and how there may be another value... you involved no maths at all, and just kept repeating "but 6=6"... then flame me saying I can't count.
Wait for a quote... reply back to this if you like... but don't make it so I HAVE to reply back (I am tempted easily, and I hate to be put down)… because then we'll end up fighting for another 50 pages, without getting anywhere.
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@$abZ:
You get statements but don't analyse them. That's your problem.
I said there is not enough good proof to prove that Luffy and Zoro are equal, you said they are definately equal.
A fight which shows their best moves being equal and the data book begs to differ.
Then you came up with the Whiskey Peak fight. I said that the fight was un-finished and too short, so the real outcome was not shown. Therefore, as much as they looked equal, it is NOT good enough proof. It PROVES nothing.
It proves one very important thing, their BEST was equal.
Then you came up with the chart, saying that Luffy and Zoro both had 6 as strength. I said that the number 6 is too low of a number to compare strength of two characters in the chart, to an exact point.
According to you, according to ODA it isn't
Then I said that Luffy could have been 6.7 and Zoro could have been 6.1… and I also said that 6 could be the Straw Hats power levels divided by six, then bounderies placed in between 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.... meaning that the value of 6 COULD be bigger than you think.
If the 6 was any larger than 6 even by .1, it wouldn't fit in the chart since 6 reaches the charts limit.
But you went and said "but 6=6, and Oda said nothing about the value of 6, so we must assume that 6=6". Well, assuming doesn't PROVE anything. Oda never mentioned the value of 6, therefore, it could be anything… like the value I guessed. That's why the chart doesn't fully prove anything.
No point in having this conversation with you since I have doubts about your counting skills. Feel free to think whatever you please but when normal people see a 6 it usually ends there. They don't start inserting their own idea's and thinking their legit.
My advice to you is… wait until some good proof... that actually PROVES that they are equal. For example: a quote from the manga saying that Luffy is infact the same strength as Zoro; which I wouldn't be able to counter at all. Or you could wait for a FINISHED fight between the two, so we know the results.
From what is seen their best is equal and the data book shows they are too, a quote would just confirm it for you.
Lol… the funny thing is... I used maths to come up with that "sixth" theory, and how there may be another value... you involved no maths at all, and just kept repeating "but 6=6"... then flame me saying I can't count.
You use maths when it's not needed, why don't you do your little theory to albert einsteins equation?
I'll tell you why, It's because YOU DON'T NEED TO.
Wait for a quote… reply back to this if you like... but don't make it so I HAVE to reply back (I am tempted easily, and I hate to be put down)… because then we'll end up fighting for another 50 pages, without getting anywhere.
Do what you please, your theory will never be above a data book anyway
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Well… that's exactly what I expected. Just want to comment on one thing.
You're assuming that the chart ends at 6.0...
Say Luffy was 6.9... it would go down as 6, not 7. So really, you have no proof in proving that it ends at 6.0
And also... my theory is ON the data book. You still don't understand.
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@$abZ:
Well… that's exactly what I expected. Just want to comment on one thing.
Likewise
You're assuming that the chart ends at 6.0…
No, look at the chart.
Each strength bar fills all available space in the chart, so I'm not assuming it's a fact. You're just ignoring it.
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to finish a debate the sixth theory is not possible
i think $abz should have understood along with the rest of you
if the 6 is a sixth aka 1/6 then usopp who has a 2 is a 1/2 which means he is stronger than luffy and zoro
so that proves $abz's theory wrong
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No, look at the chart.
Each strength bar fills all available space in the chart, so I'm not assuming it's a fact. You're just ignoring it.
Lol. The graph is based on the chart, in terms of what is given. I've explained this. Since Oda didn't state the value… then the bars on the graph have to have a fixed position, or else it would just confuse the audience. If you really think there are only 6 FIXED stages to a character's power, then you must think again. It's like saying... that Luffy cannot become ANY stronger until he reaches the next sixth.
fixius... Usopp would have 2/6.
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Well, I can see you can argue about that by your own [seriously], so I'll just add this:
You can never judge by how stuff happened at Whiskey Peak. I mean, that was completely wicked as Luffy stopped Zoro's swords with his sandals.
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@$abZ:
Lol. The graph is based on the chart, in terms of what is given. I've explained this.
Any numbers are retreived from the chart and the chart shows 6 being max, that means no 6.1s or 6.5s. The original data is in Oda's chart, the number graph is fans brief summary of oda's chart.
Wonder what excuse you'll use now…
Since Oda didn't state the value…
They become normal numbers with no special values.
then the bars on the graph have to have a fixed position, or else it would just confuse the audience.
The only person trying to confuse the audience is you with your crazy theories, too bad no-one cares.
If you really think there are only 6 FIXED stages to a character's power, then you must think again. It's like saying… that Luffy cannot become ANY stronger until he reaches the next sixth.
It means until oda releases new data the red book stands, that's all. It's quite simple really.
fixius… Usopp would have 2/6.
Prove your own theory to fixius, write it down and show how you got your answer
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As I've said… Oda MAY HAVE dimmed his chart down, so that the graph portraying it would fit the chart (which has been dimmed down from a mathmatical analysis). You have no proof that it isn't dimmed down, unless you want to show it to me. Oda may have chose to dim the chart down so that there'd be only 6 numbers. With those 6, he had to create a graph to fit the chart, or else people would be confused. However, it isn't proven that Oda didn't do a mathmatical analysis and then create bounderies... 6 of them. What makes you think he'll show his full analysis in the graph if he didn't show it in the chart?
OIP, if you really think that there are only 6 stages of power, then you must be mistaken. You are saying that Luffy cannot become stronger until he gets to the next stage... which is a full sixth of his power. I bet you don't even understand what I'm saying.
I've countered everything you've thrown at me... meaning that you have no valid proof that has left me speechless.
Which proves my arguement right. You haven't got good enough proof.
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@$abZ:
As I've said… Oda MAY HAVE dimmed his chart down, so that the graph portraying it would fit the chart (which has been dimmed down from a mathmatical analysis).
All I hear from you is MAY, MAY, MAY, MAY
What your basically saying is The data book is wrong so it makes you look right.
It makes you look so ridiculous
You have no proof that it isn't dimmed down, unless you want to show it to me.
You have no proof and your silly accusations of ODA writing down false info in a data book is pathetic.
Oda may have chose to dim the chart down so that there'd be only 6 numbers
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Oda MAY have wrote it with a fountain pen with dimmed ink!!!
With those 6, he had to create a graph to fit the chart, or else people would be confused. However, it isn't proven that Oda didn't do a mathmatical analysis
Of couse he used a mathematical equation to make the chart.
and then create bounderies…6 of them.
This is pretty wishful thinking
What makes you think he'll show his full analysis in the graph if he didn't show it in the chart?
The only thing written by oda is the chart and since when do people write an analysis under their charts?
Your excuses are getting worse $abz
OIP, if you really think that there are only 6 stages of power, then you must be mistaken.
What I think is that chart stands until the another one states otherwise, I'm not saying anything other than that.
You are saying that Luffy cannot become stronger until he gets to the next stage…
Luffy is constantly getting stronger and so is zoro, the chart is just their level compared to the other SH's. Showing those two are on another level, the whiskey peak fight proves their best being equal.
which is a full sixth of his power. I bet you don't even understand what I'm saying.
I know exactly what your saying I just don't give a crap since it's coming from you and not oda's chart.
I've countered everything you've thrown at me… meaning that you have no valid proof that has left me speechless.
Which proves my arguement right. You haven't got good enough proof.
You ain't proved jack and your proof is a theory you made up in your maths class instead of doing your work.
And you didn't show fixius how you worked out your answer, so he has left you pretty speechless
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To fixius:
If Oda based the chart out of 6, then he must have divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6. (OIP should know that dividing the Straw Hat power levels by 6 doesn't equal 6, so there is likely to be a higher value for the number 6). Anyway… Luffy got 6/6 and Usopp got 2/6. 6/6 is higher.
You're saying that Usopp can get 1/2. But you fail to recognise that the value of 2 is Usopp's power individually. So the 2 in 1/2 is lower than the 6 in 2/6. 1/2 in your thinking actually equals 3/6 in Oda's chart. fixius... your post didn't really make sense anyway.
I can't believe OIP didn't work this out. And they say my maths is poor.
At OIP: You haven't proved anything either. Which proves that your proof isn't good enough. Catch my drift?
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@$abZ:
(OIP should know that dividing the Straw Hat power levels by 6 doesn't equal 6,
This is why your theory fails and why I don't give a crap about. Maybe now you'll understand why I'm against it.
I can't believe OIP didn't work this out. And they say my maths is poor.
Work what out? That your theory is failed and instead of scrapping it you make the chart go beyond it's limit, which isn't possible.
At OIP: You haven't proved anything either. Which proves that your proof isn't good enough. Catch my drift?
Whiskey peak Their BEST was equal, FACT
Data book info as shown, FACT
$abz data book equations THEORY
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I do not take the Luffy/Zoro fight seriously because Luffy is giantly round and unproportionate in one section and magically lost all that rotund mass from simply beating up an explody guy.
And the fact that Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine were supplying comic relief.
And the fact that Vivi was there.
Well, whatever you say, but even if fillers is often crap, thay are anyway official and sometimes even funny to watch at…
I hate you and your family for doing this to me. WHY?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!
OIP, 5.9 rounds up to 6.
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I'm talking about that I am surprised that you thought fixius was right. Usopp is 2/6… which is lower than 6/6. Just to let you know that... OIP.
Anyway... I think you and I have little more to say. There's no point saying the same things over and over again... so I'll stop this for now. Even though you failed to understand anything... again. Read carefully, next time.
We'll just wait... I will prove you wrong sooner or later, OIP. Trus'.
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@$abZ:
I'm talking about that I am surprised that you thought fixius was right. Usopp is 2/6… which is lower than 6/6. Just to let you know that... OIP.
Where does it say I agree with fixius?
He just deserved an answer and who knows if he's right or wrong? He's probably using another theory different to yours, you do know there are many equations you can use.
Yours isn't the only one there is
Anyway… I think you and I have little more to say. There's no point saying the same things over and over again... so I'll stop this for now.
It feels like agreeing with you is breaking the law but for once this sounds resonable.
Even though you failed to understand anything… again. Read carefully, next time.
I understood your theory you just fail to understand you can't make a chart go higher than its limit. Which your theory cause this to happen, I suggest you just read the chart in its original form. If any info concerning it is needed Oda will provide it in the next data book.
We'll just wait… I will prove you wrong sooner or later, OIP. Trus'.
We'll see…
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Hagahahahgagahaahaahahhahaa this debate is hilarious
What the f*ck does mathematics have to do with a chart a 6 is a 6. "point a la ligne".
And I think if I m not mistaken that the strenght measures only that and thus isn't a factor that decides which one is gonna win in battle.
–> I mean: Zorro and Luffy probably can lift the same house/building/boat/... --> so they have the same strenght but in a fight you also have to use other things ( search in this thread for more info).Alé and keep this entertaining sh*t going on cause its crazy
Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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Agreed, I don't know why everyone is talking about all these numbers and "data books." Luffy and Zoro already had a bout and they both came out even. I could care less if Zoro had higher stats than Luffy (or vice versa). I go by action, and ONLY a fight can determine who is stronger out of the two. Until Luffy and Zoro have another fight NOONE can say one is stronger than the other.
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Hagahahahgagahaahaahahhahaa this debate is hilarious
What the f*ck does mathematics have to do with a chart a 6 is a 6. "point a la ligne".
And I think if I m not mistaken that the strenght measures only that and thus isn't a factor that decides which one is gonna win in battle.
–> I mean: Zorro and Luffy probably can lift the same house/building/boat/... --> so they have the same strenght but in a fight you also have to use other things ( search in this thread for more info).Alé and keep this entertaining sh*t going on cause its crazy
There's numbers involved… and Oda is clever, I doubt he just sticks numbers in without using a hint of maths. Numbers = maths, idiot.
Strength is also known as fighting ability.
Your post sounds ridiculous... please go away and think about your next post, instead of posting some crap about how funny this debate is... when it is YOUR post that made me laugh (guess why).
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numbers = maths
wow you're a genius man
do you even know what '=' stands for
I have to check this because what you say hmmmmAnd oda is clever yeah (maybe) and guess what he's making a comic for KIDS, so why would he annoy them with maths????
Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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numbers = maths
wow you're a genius man
do you even know what '=' stands for
I have to check this because what you say hmmmmAnd oda is clever yeah (maybe) and guess what he's making a comic for KIDS, so why would he annoy them with maths????
What I'm saying is that anything with numbers involves maths. My 3 year old nephew knows that. Maybe he could give you a few lessons.
Oda has made a comic very intelligently. But you wouldn't know that… would you.
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Agreed, I don't know why everyone is talking about all these numbers and "data books." Luffy and Zoro already had a bout and they both came out even. I could care less if Zoro had higher stats than Luffy (or vice versa). I go by action, and ONLY a fight can determine who is stronger out of the two. Until Luffy and Zoro have another fight NOONE can say one is stronger than the other.
This is probably the most important piece of info we've got. A fight showing luffy and zoro's best being completely equal, neither one moved the other at all.
And even though it didn't end, it showed the two's best was equal.
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luffy and zoro have a 6 in strength. THEY ARE EQUAL.
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This is probably the most important piece of info we've got. A fight showing luffy and zoro's best being completely equal, neither one moved the other at all.
And even though it didn't end, it showed the two's best was equal.
Indeed, After watching that bout their power was evenly matched. In my case, actions speak louder than words, I could care less what some stats say about a character. People get all caught up in measurables instead of going off of the INTAGIBLES. For example, "Douriki" is a measure of "Athletics"/ Physical strength (which is something that can be measured), would it be able to measure something intangible like Zoro "Demon spirit/ki." which also increases his overall power?"
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@$abZ:
To fixius:
If Oda based the chart out of 6, then he must have divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6. (OIP should know that dividing the Straw Hat power levels by 6 doesn't equal 6, so there is likely to be a higher value for the number 6). Anyway… Luffy got 6/6 and Usopp got 2/6. 6/6 is higher.
You're saying that Usopp can get 1/2. But you fail to recognise that the value of 2 is Usopp's power individually. So the 2 in 1/2 is lower than the 6 in 2/6. 1/2 in your thinking actually equals 3/6 in Oda's chart. fixius... your post didn't really make sense anyway.
I can't believe OIP didn't work this out. And they say my maths is poor.
At OIP: You haven't proved anything either. Which proves that your proof isn't good enough. Catch my drift?
i thought you reversed all the numbers which you did until i corrected you,you said some time ago that the six is a sixth that means 1/6
my math is poorest than yours??? i am in college my friend while you are at high school
your theory makes no sense from every way you put it,i will quote your words so that you will have no choise of accepting you lack logic
if oda has divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6 then usopp having 2/6 means 2 usopps are stronger than luffy,also 6/6 means luffy or zoro has all the power of the crew so that means the other have zero power but zoro + luffy = 12/6 which is incorrect cuz oda divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6
if you say something like 12/6=2 and the scale goes up to 6 then i am positive that you are at kindergarden cuz no percentage is higher than 1
i will speak no more cuz it is funny people are replying to this,a 6 is a 6,no more no less,oda has made a bar to messure the SHs strenght and zoro and luffy both have six
also even if your theory counted they are also equal and you say luffy has 6.9 and things like that,if oda said he divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6 then it would be that way but since it is you who is saying it you should accept it is YOUR theory
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I knew It was already flawed since his theory causes the stats to go past the limit. But I never really thought about looking at it that way, I'm now anxious to see $abz reply.
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i thought you reversed all the numbers which you did until i corrected you,you said some time ago that the six is a sixth that means 1/6
my math is poorest than yours??? i am in college my friend while you are at high school
I'm in college, and I'm not your friend.
if oda has divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6 then usopp having 2/6 means 2 usopps are stronger than luffy,
You mean 3 Usopp's are stronger or equal, since 2x3 = 6…
I thought you knew maths.
also 6/6 means luffy or zoro has all the power of the crew so that means the other have zero power but zoro + luffy = 12/6 which is incorrect cuz oda divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6
You're assuming that the SH power levels added together equal 6. I think that there were 5 members of the SHs at the time of the chart. So let's say that the power of all the SHs at that time adds to 185.
Note: This is just a guess of all the powers, to prove my theory of maths that may have been used by Oda.
Luffy = 60, Zoro = 55, Sanji = 45, Nami = 9, Usopp = 16 = 185
What Oda could have done is got the highest value (60) and divided it by 6 (the number he wanted to use in the chart) which equals 10.
Nami got lower than 10, so she ends up placed as 1. Usopp would be 2, because he is lower than 20 but higher than 10. 10 is a sixth of 60.
0-10 = 1
10-20 = 2
21-30 = 3
31-40 = 4
41-50 = 5
51-60 = 6Anyone over 50 would be classed as 6… HOWEVER... the value of a sixth is 10 so there can be a difference between the two that got 6. In this case, Luffy and Zoro were classed as 6 but Luffy got a higher value in terms of power levels. His power level was 5 higher than Zoro's.
THIS IS HOW ODA COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT WITH DIFFERENT FIGURES. UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T DO THIS AND PROVE THE VALUE OF ONE SIXTH, THEN YOU CANNOT FULLY PROVE THAT LUFFY = ZORO.
Oda never stated the value of a sixth... so everything that you guys say about 6=6 is mere speculation, and it has not been proved that Oda never used this method but never revealed it. The value of a sixth was never stated. Oda may have left us to think a little more, he may not... if you can prove (and I mean PROVE as in a quote from him or something in the chart) that Oda never used this sort of method, then you are right. If you can't prove it... then 6=6 (in the chart) is mere speculation on your part.
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luffys biggest (only) weakness is being cut.. zoro will be the worlds greatest swordsman..
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Man if you are in college you should know that when someone uses natural numbers , all you can use are natural numbers and nothing else.
On top of that (if you want to go more in details) he only uses a limited group : {1,2,3,4,5,6} with 1 as the lowest value and 6 as the highest.
He could've used anything there {a,b,c,d,e,f} would've been ok too (–> as used in many other mangas:JOJOs Bizarre Adventure as one example)When ODA said : Luffy's strenght = 6 and Zorro's strenght = 6 --> that means [Luffy's strenght = Zorro's strenght]
that's it basta (take this piece of advice from someone who became 9th in his country's Math Olympiade)I am not saying that Luffy isn't stronger (as he would win in a battle) then Zorro , but they have the same STRENGHT ( ==> they can lift 100 ton / Usopp who has strenght 1 (?) can only lift 50 kilos –> you understand what I mean)
There are 100 better arguments for the statement Luffy is stronger then Zorro right now ( all used in this thread ) but you chosed the most hilarious one, sorry sabz to hurt your feeling but sometimes it's good to admit someone else knows better. alé ciao
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In my books… 6 is 6 is 6 is 6 is 6.
If you can't work that out - go back to school.
Even if they aren't exactly the same, Oda is implying they are so you have take Oda's word as final. If you can't handle this idea, then sit down and shut up because you don't know diddly-squat!
Going against a the writers word is pointless you can only take their word for it. If I wrote a sotry about two boys Jack and Tim and said both run at the same speed, you can't argue otherwise. Writers shape their storyline - not you.
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i thought you reversed all the numbers which you did until i corrected you,you said some time ago that the six is a sixth that means 1/6
my math is poorest than yours??? i am in college my friend while you are at high school
your theory makes no sense from every way you put it,i will quote your words so that you will have no choise of accepting you lack logic
if oda has divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6 then usopp having 2/6 means 2 usopps are stronger than luffy,also 6/6 means luffy or zoro has all the power of the crew so that means the other have zero power but zoro + luffy = 12/6 which is incorrect cuz oda divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6
if you say something like 12/6=2 and the scale goes up to 6 then i am positive that you are at kindergarden cuz no percentage is higher than 1
i will speak no more cuz it is funny people are replying to this,a 6 is a 6,no more no less,oda has made a bar to messure the SHs strenght and zoro and luffy both have six
also even if your theory counted they are also equal and you say luffy has 6.9 and things like that,if oda said he divided the powers of all Straw Hat pirates together by 6 then it would be that way but since it is you who is saying it you should accept it is YOUR theory
Welcome back psolaras, now stop being an ass and look at sabz post logically. What he is saying, if I understand this right, is that we dont know exactly how and why Oda came up with a scale of six for measuring the strawhats attributes, so we are free to make theories to fill that gap. Sabz theory, according to my understanding kindof goes this way.
Lets say oda was to measure the sh's power on a scale of 1 to 600, and gave luffy sumfin like 521, zoro 501, sanji 499, chopper 183, ussop 103 and nami 81. For what ever reason he chooses, he decides that he is going to display their strength on a scale from 1 to 6 in the databook. How do you think he would do this? Well the logical thing to do is to take the maximum from the previous
scale and divide the amount into six equal amounts, also known as sixths. After that he would group the data in each 1/6 under a certain grouped value eg. from 1 to 100 come under the grouped value of 1 on the new scale, from 101 to 200 come under 2, bla bla bla, 401 to 500 would come under 5 and 501 to 600 would come under 6 (psolaras, as a college student you should have done grouped data in maths). Now using this new data, I wonder what number each sh would come under. This though is a theory and cant be proven right, but at the same time cant be proven wrong.If you are gonna be thick and say that because 6 stones = 6 stones in real life then 6 on a scale (remember the word SCALE) must be totally equal to another six, without any room for a microscopic difference; and that Oda did not use grouping when he created his scale, then i must ask you these questions.
If wb, mihawk and all those other bamfs were put on this scale, were would the rank?
If oda was to but a fighter whose strength was exactly half way between zoro and sanji, where would he or she rank?
I believe that these numbers are general levels, not exact readings of strength, etc -1 to 6is a really small scale- meaning that if two fighters of the same general strength were to start brawl with no setbacks, the outcome would likely be a draw.
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In my books… 6 is 6 is 6 is 6 is 6.
If you can't work that out - go back to school.
Even if they aren't exactly the same, Oda is implying they are so you have take Oda's word as final. If you can't handle this idea, then sit down and shut up because you don't know diddly-squat!
Going against a the writers word is pointless you can only take their word for it. If I wrote a sotry about two boys Jack and Tim and said both run at the same speed, you can't argue otherwise. Writers shape their storyline - not you.
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Did you read my post. If you did, please tell me where I went AGAINST the author.
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@$abZ:
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Did you read my post. If you did, please tell me where I went AGAINST the author.
Who says that was a reply to you?
I didn't quote anyone that time. ¬_¬'
I was being general.
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Guys just let it go… If Oda was reading this stuff he would probaly be outrageous or crying
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@Electricks:
Welcome back psolaras, now stop being an ass and look at sabz post logically. What he is saying, if I understand this right, is that we dont know exactly how and why Oda came up with a scale of six for measuring the strawhats attributes, so we are free to make theories to fill that gap. Sabz theory, according to my understanding kindof goes this way.
Lets say oda was to measure the sh's power on a scale of 1 to 600, and gave luffy sumfin like 521, zoro 501, sanji 499, chopper 183, ussop 103 and nami 81. For what ever reason he chooses, he decides that he is going to display their strength on a scale from 1 to 6 in the databook. How do you think he would do this? Well the logical thing to do is to take the maximum from the previous
scale and divide the amount into six equal amounts, also known as sixths. After that he would group the data in each 1/6 under a certain grouped value eg. from 1 to 100 come under the grouped value of 1 on the new scale, from 101 to 200 come under 2, bla bla bla, 401 to 500 would come under 5 and 501 to 600 would come under 6 (psolaras, as a college student you should have done grouped data in maths). Now using this new data, I wonder what number each sh would come under. This though is a theory and cant be proven right, but at the same time cant be proven wrong.If you are gonna be thick and say that because 6 stones = 6 stones in real life then 6 on a scale (remember the word SCALE) must be totally equal to another six, without any room for a microscopic difference; and that Oda did not use grouping when he created his scale, then i must ask you these questions.
If wb, mihawk and all those other bamfs were put on this scale, were would the rank?
If oda was to but a fighter whose strength was exactly half way between zoro and sanji, where would he or she rank?
I believe that these numbers are general levels, not exact readings of strength, etc -1 to 6is a really small scale- meaning that if two fighters of the same general strength were to start brawl with no setbacks, the outcome would likely be a draw.
OK now I understand the logics behind his ?math? but we are talking about a manga here people , –> you won't expect from it to be that detailed --> the most important here are the categories/levels: Luffy and Zorro are in category 6 --> it won't matter in a manga if Luffy can lift 20 kilos more then zorro, when they can lift 200 ton --> you'll never see that happen (it's not real life); On the other hand someone that is on level 5 can only lift 150 ton that s a big difference (--> and to simplify things ODA wouldnt bring someone who can lift 170 ton )
just like with CP9 and their douriki you clearly had 3 or 4 levels --> 1)Lucci ; 2)Kaku/Jabura 3)Blueno/Fukuro/Kumadori 4)Kalifa
You wouldn't seriously affirm that Kaku is stronger then Jabura? or would you? because then our view on the matter is different. -
OK now I understand the logics behind his ?math? but we are talking about a manga here people , –> you won't expect from it to be that detailed --> the most important here are the categories/levels: Luffy and Zorro are in category 6 --> it won't matter in a manga if Luffy can lift 20 kilos more then zorro, when they can lift 200 ton --> you'll never see that happen (it's not real life); On the other hand someone that is on level 5 can only lift 150 ton that s a big difference (--> and to simplify things ODA wouldnt bring someone who can lift 170 ton )
just like with CP9 and their douriki you clearly had 3 or 4 levels --> 1)Lucci ; 2)Kaku/Jabura 3)Blueno/Fukuro/Kumadori 4)Kalifa
You wouldn't seriously affirm that Kaku is stronger then Jabura? or would you? because then our view on the matter is different.This is probably the most coherent post of yours I've read.
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@$abZ:
Luffy = 60, Zoro = 55, Sanji = 45, Nami = 9, Usopp = 16 = 185
Quietly changing your answers eh?
I remember when it was 6.9 and 6.1
Well anyway $abz that other guys theory is also a good one, but the fact still remains that his and your little equations are just theories.
While this
Luffys-strength= 6
Zoro's-strength= 6or
Luffys-Strength= –----
Zoro's-Strength= ------or even this
Luffy zoro
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All your thoeries don't matter because the author has chosen to use a whole number. Also each bar on the chart is the exact same size, this $abz cannot be countered.
No matter how it was worked out, each bar is the exact same length and width. If one was stronger than the other their bars in the chart would be different.
If any extra information is needed it will be given, you can make as many guesses as you please
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@$abZ:
I'm in college, and I'm not your friend.
then those who say money can solve everything are right! and i can't ask you to come to my birthday party???:sad:
You mean 3 Usopp's are stronger or equal, since 2x3 = 6…
I thought you knew maths.
i think 3 lines above the part you quoted holds my answer
You're assuming that the SH power levels added together equal 6. I think that there were 5 members of the SHs at the time of the chart. So let's say that the power of all the SHs at that time adds to 185.
Note: This is just a guess of all the powers, to prove my theory of maths that may have been used by Oda.
Luffy = 60, Zoro = 55, Sanji = 45, Nami = 9, Usopp = 16 = 185
What Oda could have done is got the highest value (60) and divided it by 6 (the number he wanted to use in the chart) which equals 10.
Nami got lower than 10, so she ends up placed as 1. Usopp would be 2, because he is lower than 20 but higher than 10. 10 is a sixth of 60.
0-10 = 1
10-20 = 2
21-30 = 3
31-40 = 4
41-50 = 5
51-60 = 6Anyone over 50 would be classed as 6… HOWEVER... the value of a sixth is 10 so there can be a difference between the two that got 6. In this case, Luffy and Zoro were classed as 6 but Luffy got a higher value in terms of power levels. His power level was 5 higher than Zoro's.
THIS IS HOW ODA COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT WITH DIFFERENT FIGURES. UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T DO THIS AND PROVE THE VALUE OF ONE SIXTH, THEN YOU CANNOT FULLY PROVE THAT LUFFY = ZORO.
Oda never stated the value of a sixth... so everything that you guys say about 6=6 is mere speculation, and it has not been proved that Oda never used this method but never revealed it. The value of a sixth was never stated. Oda may have left us to think a little more, he may not... if you can prove (and I mean PROVE as in a quote from him or something in the chart) that Oda never used this sort of method, then you are right. If you can't prove it... then 6=6 (in the chart) is mere speculation on your part.
speculation huh?? then can you prove me i am not a pink elephant wearing a thong and making love to coconuts????
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speculation huh?? then can you prove me i am not a pink elephant wearing a thong and making love to coconuts????
Hahahaha great
I foresee a thread closing (that is if Bevin is nearby :ninja: )
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Hahahaha great
I foresee a thread closing (that is if Bevin is nearby :ninja: )
oops sorry
no animal making love comments from now on!!!@Electricks:
Welcome back psolaras, now stop being an ass and look at sabz post logically. What he is saying, if I understand this right, is that we dont know exactly how and why Oda came up with a scale of six for measuring the strawhats attributes, so we are free to make theories to fill that gap. Sabz theory, according to my understanding kindof goes this way.
Lets say oda was to measure the sh's power on a scale of 1 to 600, and gave luffy sumfin like 521, zoro 501, sanji 499, chopper 183, ussop 103 and nami 81. For what ever reason he chooses, he decides that he is going to display their strength on a scale from 1 to 6 in the databook. How do you think he would do this? Well the logical thing to do is to take the maximum from the previous
scale and divide the amount into six equal amounts, also known as sixths. After that he would group the data in each 1/6 under a certain grouped value eg. from 1 to 100 come under the grouped value of 1 on the new scale, from 101 to 200 come under 2, bla bla bla, 401 to 500 would come under 5 and 501 to 600 would come under 6 (psolaras, as a college student you should have done grouped data in maths). Now using this new data, I wonder what number each sh would come under. This though is a theory and cant be proven right, but at the same time cant be proven wrong.If you are gonna be thick and say that because 6 stones = 6 stones in real life then 6 on a scale (remember the word SCALE) must be totally equal to another six, without any room for a microscopic difference; and that Oda did not use grouping when he created his scale, then i must ask you these questions.
If wb, mihawk and all those other bamfs were put on this scale, were would the rank?
If oda was to but a fighter whose strength was exactly half way between zoro and sanji, where would he or she rank?
I believe that these numbers are general levels, not exact readings of strength, etc -1 to 6is a really small scale- meaning that if two fighters of the same general strength were to start brawl with no setbacks, the outcome would likely be a draw.
well you share your opinions and i respect them:happy:
i will not explain anything since you think i am being an ass (:sad: )
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luffy and zoro have a 6 in strength. THEY ARE EQUAL.
Who the fuck let you out of your cage?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~
They're gonna close this thread. I can just see it coming.
Mina-san, please start learning to accept others' opinions instead of forcing it on others. Though these words will probably fall on deaf ears once again.
