Well, I always believed Luffy and Zoro are equal in pure strength but if we compare skills, I think Luffy is one step ahead.
Luffy & Zoro (Potential Spoilers)
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No, after all the posts I have read YOU are the one that "rants." Not too mention you have an obsession with ONEinchPUNCH (along with two other members:ninja: ).
Your posts are nothing but assumptions while everyone else against you is using what Oda Eiichiro has WRITTEN DOWN IN STONE! If the Data books say Luffy and Zoro's strength is 6 then no doubt about it it is just that…...6. Don't give everyone that "Oda hasn't explained how he came to that number" crap. LOL! Oda hasn't explained why Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world but it is WRITTEN DOWN IN STONE by Oda himself and noone can question that.
Did Oda explain how he made the chart… and WRITE IN STONE that Luffy and Zoro are equal? NO. Even if they are, it hasn't been proven by the author. Oda has stated Mihawk the strongest swordsman… but has never stated Luffy and Zoro equal. So that arguement failed.
Either one could have won... Luffy or Zoro... but Oda didn't want to show us. So we can only assume if they're equal or not. I speculate that Oda dimmed the chart down because he never explained his methods... am I instantly an idiot for doing so?
And OIP; I knew Juve were in Serie B after their scandals LOL. Still in the CL meaning... they used to be, but thanks to the scandal... they aren't. But they aren't as good as they used to be anyway.
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@$abZ:
Did Oda explain how he made the chart… and WRITE IN STONE that Luffy and Zoro are equal? NO. Even if they are, it hasn't been proven by the author. Oda has stated Mihawk the strongest swordsman… but has never stated Luffy and Zoro equal. So that arguement failed.
Either one could have won... Luffy or Zoro... but Oda didn't want to show us. So we can only assume if they're equal or not. I speculate that Oda dimmed the chart down because he never explained his methods... am I instantly an idiot for doing so?
If two people are so close in power making it possible for either one to win, it basically means they're equal. If they weren't equal the one who is stronger would win, the dat book just backs this up.
And OIP; I knew Juve were in Serie B after their scandals LOL. Still in the CL meaning… they used to be, but thanks to the scandal...
Even milan participated in that scandal, but they're still in the CL. It's an injustice to put juve in serie B for committing the same crimes
they aren't. But they aren't as good as they used to be anyway.
They're still of champions league quality and when we move back into serie A we'll be even better. So I'm not that bothered this year, I'll just celebrate our WORLD CUP VICTORY.
I'm half italian and I gotta disagree with you thinking serie A is rubbish
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@$abZ:
Did Oda explain how he made the chart… and WRITE IN STONE that Luffy and Zoro are equal? NO. Even if they are, it hasn't been proven by the author. Oda has stated Mihawk the strongest swordsman… but has never stated Luffy and Zoro equal. So that arguement failed.
Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out. Which means 6 is the highest STAT that Oda has written down for BOTH characters. He doesn't need to explain anything because the STATS say it all. Also, with your crappy logic Oda NEVER explained how Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so therefore it was not proven by the author. How do you like your own logic thrown back at you?
Either one could have won… Luffy or Zoro... but Oda didn't want to show us. So we can only assume if they're equal or not. I speculate that Oda dimmed the chart down because he never explained his methods... am I instantly an idiot for doing so?
Yes, you are either being a fanboy or an idiot. Neither Luffy and Zoro had an advantage in that bout, BLOW for BLOW they were even! When Nami broke the fight up they were EVEN. How can you dismiss that? What the @#$ do you mean by "Oda dimmed the chart down?" The Whiskey Peak fight says otherwise!:blink:
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There's no point explaining it superstar, he'll just say "but oda didn't say if it was a 6th"
Completly ignoring you saying "Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out."
All $abz needs to do is read my sig
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LOL, I love your sig ONEinchPUNCH!
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LOL, I love your sig ONEinchPUNCH!
lets not start making out just yet
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@Radical:
lets not start making out just yet
YOU and $abz beat me to it!!!
Don't get mad because you can't counter the brilliance. Somebody didn't read OIP sig, matter of fact read MY sig. Macho man!:whistling:
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Don't get mad because you can't counter the brilliance. Somebody didn't read OIP sig, matter of fact read MY sig
come on…There's know way you would have gotten away with that post without a rude comment.You guys aren't in a cheerleading squad.. its just embarassing.Also half you post are illogical,you always go against the manga (even more so then oip) and plus your sig is almost ironic
Macho man!
Don't…go...there.Only the artistic eye can see the brillance in Macho Man Randy savage.
In all seriousness though you kinda suck...I just came to a realization that when it comes to the point where it means so much to you zoro being equal to luffy you have to flame others and applaud others in ecstacy when they agree with you then its a problem.When I look back on this topic it didn't need to go 33 pages (including the other 50 pg thread) And Im sure alot of people would agree with me in saying you posts our clouded with an arrogant fanboyish substance.Im actually horrified and ashamed that I went this far in a debate with you an oip.(I can tell if it was only kma and black galleon,THis wouldn't have been such a large thread) I actually feel your fanboyism start to spread.
So in fear that continuing this debate would turn me into a illogical fanboy like you and the possibility of me getting banned
I'm stoping(though I might pop in sometimes to say snide comments) with this last comment.Who gives a fuck about luffy and zoro? Franky is the real deal
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@Radical:
come on…There's know way you would have gotten away with that post without a rude comment.You guys aren't in a cheerleading squad.. its just embarassing.Also half you post are illogical,you always go against the manga (even more so then oip) and plus your sig is almost ironicDon't...go...there.Only the artistic eye can see the brillance in Macho Man Randy savage. In all seriousness though you kinda suck...I just came to a realization that when it comes to the point where it means so much to you zoro being equal to luffy you have to flame others and applaud others in ecstacy when they agree with you then its a problem.When I look back on this topic it didn't need to go 33 pages (including the other 50 pg thread) And Im sure alot of people would agree with me in saying you posts our clouded with an arrogant fanboyish substance.Im actually horrified and ashamed that I went this far in a debate with you an oip.(I can tell if it was only kma and black galleon,THis wouldn't have been such a large thread) I actually feel your fanboyism start to spread.So in fear that continuing this debate would turn me into a illogical fanboy like you and the possibility of me getting banned I'm stoping(though I might pop in sometimes to say snide comments) with this last comment.
Who gives a fuck about luffy and zoro? Franky is the real deal
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I never really knew that SuperStar could dance like this
He makes a girl wants to speak Spanish
Como se llama (si), bonita (si), mi casa (si, Shakira Shakira), su casa
Shakira, Shakira!!!
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@Radical:
In all seriousness though you kinda suck…I just came to a realization that when it comes to the point where it means so much to you zoro being equal to luffy you have to flame others and applaud others in ecstacy when they agree with you then its a problem.When I look back on this topic it didn't need to go 33 pages (including the other 50 pg thread) And Im sure alot of people would agree with me in saying you posts our clouded with an arrogant fanboyish substance.Im actually horrified and ashamed that I went this far in a debate with you an oip.(I can tell if it was only kma and black galleon,THis wouldn't have been such a large thread) I actually feel your fanboyism start to spread.
So in fear that continuing this debate would turn me into a illogical fanboy like you and the possibility of me getting banned
I'm stoping(though I might pop in sometimes to say snide comments) with this last comment.Who gives a fuck about luffy and zoro? Franky is the real deal
im sorry but i think thats already too late. you already come across as a fanboy. you are argueing a bit to vividly.
personally i dont see anyone saying zoro must be equal, my impression is that people are saying its very likely, and that the way you argue makes them defend their points harder then needed.
archtyrant was rather good at debateing and was pushing to meet halfway in an agreement that both sides disagree. however you and $abZ keep pulling the argument down in the mud again with your heated "PROVE IT" posts.
baisicly you were the ones that keept it alive. if it wasnt such a big deal or couldnt be proved why did you go on debating about it? atleast archtyrant gave reasons to his opinion.
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Superstar: Unless you prove to me that the values of 6 are the same and that the Whiskey Peak fight would have FINISHED a draw… then you only speculate.
It's as simple as that.
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@$abZ:
Superstar: Unless you prove to me that the values of 6 are the same and that the Whiskey Peak fight would have FINISHED a draw… then you only speculate.
It's as simple as that.
yes they are the same,it's a poll and they are equal,go in help in microsoft excell,it should explain it
I'm half italian and I gotta disagree with you thinking serie A is rubbish
well if the managers change the way they play football then serie A might become as good as primera division or premiership
without juventus and with milan being a ghost compared with 2005 when they went in the CL final,serie A is crap this year
if milan starts buying excellent players again and kick out all those 40 year olds she might be again an excellent team and roma lucks strikers,i can't understand why they can't buy luca toni and jaquinta? and why they gave montella to fulham even if he will come back and hasn't tavano arrived in roma??
i hope juventus keeps doesn't buy frings and roma and milan spent some money cuz inter will keep winning the championship for the next 50 years and of course the managers change the way they play football cuz injuring other players or kicking talented players is not a way to play ball
also that asassin gatuzo should be in jail!!!
@SuperStar:I never really knew that SuperStar could dance like this
He makes a girl wants to speak Spanish
Como se llama (si), bonita (si), mi casa (si, Shakira Shakira), su casa
Shakira, Shakira!!![qimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/Owned.gif[/qimg]
LMAO!!!!!!!!! it has been waited!!!!!!! shakira strikes again!!!!
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Hey guys first of all thanks for reading my posts and for your compliments! I really appreciate it much ^_^
To fixius: Accidents can't be a good thing, but i'm glad to at least hear that none of those you know actually died heh.
Let's start pounding each other yeah ;pPp
I think what $abz is trying to say is that the Date Book with the pie chart saying that both Zoro and Luffy were each assigned a strength value of 6 can only be used a sort of rough estimate for their relative strengths. It's like putting their strengths in different tiers or bands or grades.
For example, you get a Grade A/ Band 1 for scoring 80- 100% in a test, grade B/Band 2 for scoring 70 - 79% and so on. Like, for a fitness test like the one i recently had, you get a grade 5 for doing above 9 chin ups, grade 4 for doing 7 - 8, grade 3 for doing 5-6 and so on, then you get grade 5 for running under 10min 20sec for a 2.4km run, grade 4 for 10:21 to 11:10 and so on. ( i hope this didn't just confuse you; it sorta did when i reread this thing) In other words, the data provided was more of a level to roughly gauge each crew members' strengths, rather than to pin point exact values for their strengths.
Which I agree. I mean, i'd be more inclined to believe that the values represented exact ratios in strengths if it were more precise, like say a range between 0 to 100, or 0 to 1000. But 1 to 6? Its your opinion if you say that that range's enough, but for me, it looks a little too short to really be too accurate. All it does is says is that Luffy's and Zoro's strengths are very close, but i should hardly think it'd be used as a good method of proving that they have exactly equal strengths.
I hope this helped $abz
I'm kinda tired now 'cause i just came back from triaining (yes again) so i guess i'll stop here. Btw the latest chapter was quite good! Things are getting rather interesting now, esp since our top 3 are… haha nvm no spoilers here right?
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Hey guys first of all thanks for reading my posts and for your compliments! I really appreciate it much ^_^
To fixius: Accidents can't be a good thing, but i'm glad to at least hear that none of those you know actually died heh.
Let's start pounding each other yeah ;pPp
I think what $abz is trying to say is that the Date Book with the pie chart saying that both Zoro and Luffy were each assigned a strength value of 6 can only be used a sort of rough estimate for their relative strengths. It's like putting their strengths in different tiers or bands or grades.
For example, you get a Grade A/ Band 1 for scoring 80- 100% in a test, grade B/Band 2 for scoring 70 - 79% and so on. Like, for a fitness test like the one i recently had, you get a grade 5 for doing above 9 chin ups, grade 4 for doing 7 - 8, grade 3 for doing 5-6 and so on, then you get grade 5 for running under 10min 20sec for a 2.4km run, grade 4 for 10:21 to 11:10 and so on. ( i hope this didn't just confuse you; it sorta did when i reread this thing) In other words, the data provided was more of a level to roughly gauge each crew members' strengths, rather than to pin point exact values for their strengths.
Which I agree. I mean, i'd be more inclined to believe that the values represented exact ratios in strengths if it were more precise, like say a range between 0 to 100, or 0 to 1000. But 1 to 6? Its your opinion if you say that that range's enough, but for me, it looks a little too short to really be too accurate. All it does is says is that Luffy's and Zoro's strengths are very close, but i should hardly think it'd be used as a good method of proving that they have exactly equal strengths.
I hope this helped $abz
I'm kinda tired now 'cause i just came back from triaining (yes again) so i guess i'll stop here. Btw the latest chapter was quite good! Things are getting rather interesting now, esp since our top 3 are… haha nvm no spoilers here right?
Yes, you clearly understand. It's just the others that don't.
I posted something similar:
@$abZ:
I think that there were 5 members of the SHs at the time of the chart. So let's say that the power of all the SHs at that time adds to 185.
Note: This is just a guess of all the powers, to prove my theory of maths that may have been used by Oda.
Luffy = 60, Zoro = 55, Sanji = 45, Nami = 9, Usopp = 16 = 185
What Oda could have done is got the highest value (60) and divided it by 6 (the number he wanted to use in the chart) which equals 10.
Nami got lower than 10, so she ends up placed as 1. Usopp would be 2, because he is lower than 20 but higher than 10. 10 is a sixth of 60.
0-10 = 1
10-20 = 2
21-30 = 3
31-40 = 4
41-50 = 5
51-60 = 6Anyone over 50 would be classed as 6… HOWEVER... the value of a sixth is 10 so there can be a difference between the two that got 6. In this case, Luffy and Zoro were classed as 6 but Luffy got a higher value in terms of power levels. His power level was 5 higher than Zoro's.
THIS IS HOW ODA COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT WITH DIFFERENT FIGURES. UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T DO THIS AND PROVE THE VALUE OF ONE SIXTH, THEN YOU CANNOT FULLY PROVE THAT LUFFY = ZORO.
Oda never stated the value of a sixth... so everything that you guys say about 6=6 is mere speculation, and it has not been proved that Oda never used this method but never revealed it. The value of a sixth was never stated. Oda may have left us to think a little more, he may not... if you can prove (and I mean PROVE as in a quote from him or something in the chart) that Oda never used this sort of method, then you are right. If you can't prove it... then 6=6 (in the chart) is mere speculation on your part.
The graph with the chart only illustrates it. Oda may have dimmed down his analysis into 6 levels... and the graph merely shows the 6 parts.
It's like exam results, in my area and in many other areas. They make graphs on the class... and the individual people. On the y axis they have printed A, B, C, D, E, and U. People who have gotten A have their bars in the exact same place, because the graph is dimmed down.
The real results show that two people would have the bar at the same place, but really one did better than the other in the test, beating him by a few marks. The graph is an illustration. The real meaning hides in the database of marks that the students picked up.
Graphs are regularly dimmed down, to make them look simpler. That means that there are less figures on the y axis... so some results must reach the same figure, even if they aren't exactly equal in value.
In this case, Oda may have dimmed down the chart and graph... after using my theory. That would mean that he doesn't yet want to show Luffy = Zoro, or Luffy > Zoro... but has hinted they are around the same strength. The graph just illustrates that they both got 6.
Oda said nothing of his methods; so the value of 6 is pure speculation.
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@$abZ:
Superstar: Unless you prove to me that the values of 6 are the same and that the Whiskey Peak fight would have FINISHED a draw… then you only speculate.
It's as simple as that.
I knew you'd say that again completely ignoring superstars "Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out.".
I don't blame you $abz there is no loophole in that sentence.
Now I have some info that will crush your "we don't know the value of 6" theory.
Both luffy and zoro's pie charts are the same kind, you know what this means don't you?
Whatever numbers are in luffys chart are identical to zoro's because their charts are the same type.
What will you say now?
It would be like saying this 16v engine has more valves than that 16v engine, this is because ford didn't specify the 16s value. I can't wait to hear your excuse now.
@ fixius
Italian football is the greatest in the world for now "WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!
" Last year was a mess though with the scandal and all, we'll just have to see if milan win the CL.Oh and Gattuso is brilliant!! He always gets fouled and hardly ever fouls anyone!!
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@ fixius
Italian football is the greatest in the world for now "WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!
" Last year was a mess though with the scandal and all, we'll just have to see if milan win the CL.Oh and Gattuso is brilliant!! He always gets fouled and hardly ever fouls anyone!!
well we are the european champions also but is greece the best team in europe???? and italy passed from ukraine with a fake penalty or was it in the groop that she passed with a fake penalty??:wassat:
also football is based more in luck,see the teams portugal or france faced and now see the teams italy faced,germany and france where the only tough ones
anyway italian football lacks organization and talented players stay on small teams forever and they never evolve
and gattuso is a butcher,he only fouls and breaks legs,he is a professional killer like materazzi
also about the scandal,milan and fiorentina should have been in serie B too but if they demoted them and ban them from european games like it was first estimated then france or germany would have passed italy in the UEFA ratings and italy would have less competitors in CL,that is why juve only paid the price
if juventus,roma and milan don't rebuild their teams serie A will not even be in the same league with primera division or premiership
and you can't deny that milan plays boring football,can't you? only chelsea and valencia play defensive football in the CL from other countries but all the italian teams clearly play bad football
would you like to create a CL thread to discuss there???
also i am waiting in $abz's answer
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well we are the european champions also but is greece the best team in europe???? and italy passed from ukraine with a fake penalty or was it in the groop that she passed with a fake penalty??:wassat:
Italy slaughtered ukraine, we got a LEGIT penalty against australia you cannot slide in front of someone in the box. We beat Germany who beat argentina and we beat france who beat spain and brasil. Italy earned the world cup, all the haters don't like our 4 stars.
also football is based more in luck,see the teams portugal or france faced and now see the teams italy faced,germany and france where the only tough ones
czech republic and ghana weren't rubbish teams, italy was just a very good team.
anyway italian football lacks organization and talented players stay on small teams forever and they never evolve
Doesn't stop their talent from being noticed, almost the whole italian team plays in italy that's something other countries can't compete with.
and gattuso is a butcher,he only fouls and breaks legs,he is a professional killer like materazzi
No way!! Gattuso is clean and is the heart and soul of the italian team. He ALWAYS gets fouled, if you watch his mataches you'll see this.
I have nothing to say about matterazzi he is a bad fouler.
also about the scandal,milan and fiorentina should have been in serie B too but if they demoted them and ban them from european games like it was first estimated then france or germany would have passed italy in the UEFA ratings and italy would have less competitors in CL,that is why juve only paid the price
|Juve still got the worst of it even though they all cheated.
if juventus,roma and milan don't rebuild their teams serie A will not even be in the same league with primera division or premiership
Milan is fine for now look where they are, roma suck and juve will return with a better team.
and you can't deny that milan plays boring football,can't you? only chelsea and valencia play defensive football in the CL from other countries but all the italian teams clearly play bad football
Italian football is one of the best in the world, look at their history if you need proof.
would you like to create a CL thread to discuss there???
Well wasn't there already one? If there isn't you could make one, but I don't really have that much to say.
also i am waiting in $abz's answer
Me too
Lets make a bet, I bet he says "the value of 6 hasn't been stated" completely ignoring mine yours and superstars previous posts.
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Both luffy and zoro's pie charts are the same kind, you know what this means don't you?
Whatever numbers are in luffys chart are identical to zoro's because their charts are the same type.
What will you say now?
What are you talking about? They have individual charts?
The numbers are identical… but are the values? XD, great arguement.
It would be like saying this 16v engine has more valves than that 16v engine, this is because ford didn't specify the 16s value. I can't wait to hear your excuse now.
Yeah… but the units have been stated for the number. 16V =16V…
But Oda gave us no units for the chart, so the VALUE IS UNKNOWN! XD
And Juve aren't so good. They have a habit of losing to English teams… Liverpool being one of two in the last two years to have knocked them out of the CL. Serie A isn't as good as it was... the Premier League is the best at the moment, and the teams are the best too.... hence the 3 semi-finalists.
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i was too bored to divide all the sentances with quote tags,how do you doit all the time??:wassat:
anyway milan has the biggest age average in the CL,i am not saying the experience isn't an important factor but maldini ,costacourta, inzaghi,brocchi,cafu and kaladze have to be replaced and pirlo and seedorf are getting old too
and juve needs new blood too,i think a young player has come out now for juve,he scored a hat trick 1 month ago
as for italy it is sad to see how much of a player totti and del piero were in the past and how they have become now
and serie A was always great,napoli,laccio and fiorentina were once great teams too along with roma,milan,inter and juventus but the past 5 years the level of serie A has dropped
the stadiums and the academies need rebuilding in most teams
also english players play mostly in england
but nobody can't deny that milan and all the italian teams except of inter play bad football,many fouls are commited,few goals are scored and the football lucks imagination while it is more tactical than it should be
i hope man u humiliates milan like they humiliated roma so that they realize they must become better and that they are staying behind,many talented players exist in italy and big clubs should recruit them
OiP i dunno if you read or spent time like me for football or play bets but france and england are the only teams with positive steps,they crate excellent players and they work both on technique and physical structure and condition,primera division and serie A looks like they would take a hit so the can bounce back again,milan and real are like the shadows of the past,juve too
@$abZ:
What are you talking about? They have individual charts?
The numbers are identical… but are the values? XD, great arguement.
Yeah... but the units have been stated for the number. 16V =16V…
But Oda gave us no units for the chart, so the VALUE IS UNKNOWN! XD
And Juve aren't so good. They have a habit of losing to English teams… Liverpool being one of two in the last two years to have knocked them out of the CL. Serie A isn't as good as it was... the Premier League is the best at the moment, and the teams are the best too.... hence the 3 semi-finalists.
i agree about premier league but oda create a chart,in a chart nothing has to be specuified,when someone shows the polution of the earth in a chart it doesn't say if the polution is mud or oil or car gas,it just shows the difference from before or the difference of the countries with each other
it shows a value and how it has changed through time or how it differs with different examples
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@$abZ:
What are you talking about? They have individual charts?
The numbers are identical… but are the values? XD, great arguement.
The pie charts are the same type, so number that are inserted are of that charts value. So you didn't counter anything here $abz.
Yeah… but the units have been stated for the number. 16V =16V…
But Oda gave us no units for the chart, so the VALUE IS UNKNOWN! XD
Yeah 6 pie chart = 6 pie chart
The value would be unknown on 6 pie chart = 6 different type of pie chart
So you're wrong again.
And Juve aren't so good. They have a habit of losing to English teams… Liverpool being one of two in the last two years to have knocked them out of the CL. Serie A isn't as good as it was... the Premier League is the best at the moment, and the teams are the best too.... hence the 3 semi-finalists.
Juve always get to the semis and the finals, they usually get unlucky and they don't always lose to english teams.
And if you're going to compare italy to england Liverpool have won 5 times and Milan 6 times. England lose here
10 14 Italian wins on the left and runners up on the right
10 3 English wins on the left and runners up on the right.
Whats that say? Italian football is better.
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10 14 Italian wins on the left and runners up on the right
10 3 English wins on the left and runners up on the right.
Whats that say? Italian football is better.
man u also is the only team to do a tremble and with most partcipations in the semi finals
arsenal vs juve,liverpool vs juve,liverpool vs milan,manchester vs roma and manchester vs juventus (they won them 3 and 5 years ago) shows who is better
and what is that about the wins,i don't get it
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man u also is the only team to do a tremble and with most partcipations in the semi finals
arsenal vs juve,liverpool vs juve,liverpool vs milan,manchester vs roma and manchester vs juventus (they won them 3 and 5 years ago) shows who is better
and what is that about the wins,i don't get it
the ten is the number of italian champion league wins and the 14 is the number of runner ups.
The history shows italian football is not inferior to any other, if anything it's better. All I can say fixius is lets wait and see what milan does in the CL
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The pie charts are the same type, so number that are inserted are of that charts value. So you didn't counter anything here $abz.
Lol… you think that "pie chart" is a unit?
Two pie charts of the same type with the number 6 of an unknown value, is what you mean. Look at my above post... I explain about graphs.
Mine and Archtyrants posts pretty much clear up everything on how the value of 6, which hasn't been stated, is important to see if Luffy and Zoro are equal. You're just simple minded enough to accept a number as low as 6 to be pin point equal with another 6. And simple minded to believe that a graph's bars meet at the same place, when really they just go by a dimmed down chart.
Think again.
And I think you mean that Serie A and Juve WAS the best. Maybe has a good record... but at the moment, you don't compare. Liverpool are the better team. We don't get involved in scandals... we are in the semis of the CL, having knocked out Barca... we are the ones that knocked you out two years ago and WON the CL... and we also won the FA Cup last year.
Currently, even you can admit that Liverpool are getting more success... making them the better team. I HAVE FACTS! THIS IS THE TRUTH!
I'm off to my mates... he's a Spurs fan, I'm going to see his reaction to the game right now. But I'll make him feel better... by saying something lik "hey, at least your club isn't in Juve's position".
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No you should think again, when someone uses the same chart and same number. It means their the same, you need to prove your theory, how many times have members called your theory ridiculous. If that's not enough for you, there's always the fact, if a numbers value isn't stated they become regular numbers.
And how many times must you be told you are the one who needs to prove it, Everyone else is using something that is already there except you.
You can say whatever you want about juve, they'll be back next year. Italian football is proven to be better than Englands through their better record. The fact we are WORLD CHAMPIONS shows something too, so far no matter what you do the figures won't change. And don't count your chickens before they hatch, milan is still there and could go on to win.
EDIT. Now that I look back I notice you didn't comment on this
Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out. Which means 6 is the highest STAT that Oda has written down for BOTH characters. He doesn't need to explain anything because the STATS say it all. Also, with your crappy logic Oda NEVER explained how Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so therefore it was not proven by the author. How do you like your own logic thrown back at you?
I don't blame you though, you can't exactly say both charts aren't filled to the max
Although none of that matters anymore anyway, if a fight between them can go either way it shows they are basically equal. If they weren't basically equal one would dominate the fight and that didn't happen.
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frisbee > football
just for the record. (and no im not a frisbee fanboy)
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all you guys should go participate in the battledome,You'll feel right at home
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also this $abz
in a chart nothing has to be specuified,when someone shows the polution of the earth in a chart it doesn't say if the polution is mud or oil or car gas,it just shows the difference from before or the difference of the countries with each other
it shows a value and how it has changed through time or how it differs with different examples
why don't you say something??? how would you be satisfied?? if oda said that zoro=109293,3=luffy??? luffy=6=zoro,end of the story
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LOL!!! OIP, $abz wit the money $ is going to ignore that post because it is filled with ODA's LAW!
@$abZ:
Superstar: Unless you prove to me that the values of 6 are the same and that the Whiskey Peak fight would have FINISHED a draw… then you only speculate.
It's as simple as that.
First of all $abz you keep moaning about "Value" LOL!, this is what Value is…..
Value: a numerical quantity that is assigned or is determined by calculation or MEASUREMENT!!!
Oda has given Luffy and Zoro the SAME PIECES of PIE in their strength column, that is how it MEASURED out to 6!!!!
As for the Whiskey Peak fight…...
Draw: to leave (a contest) undecided : TIE
Whiskey Peak fight, Zoro and Luffy were EQUALS throughout the bout and noone was winning or Losing! They finished the fight at a draw; equal.
ODA Eiichiro's LAW > $abz theories, It is as simple as that.
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SuperStar, do you happen to be Psolaras?
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LOL Superstar… a pie chart isn't a calculation, it is a result of one. Oda hasn't stated what calculations he did, meaning that you can not prove that he didn't do as I guessed. YOU CANNOT.
I've explained about graphs above... but you ignored. A graph is an illustrated version of the chart, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN DIMMED DOWN BY ODA, SO THE GRAPH WOULD HAVE TO ILLUSTRATE THE DIMMED DOWN VERSION. That's the law of graphs, look it up.
I say "may have" and "what if"... because nothing about how the chart was constructed has been stated, ever. Thus the value of 6 (the quantity, amount, size etc) is unknown. You really think Oda bases power levels with the number 6 as the hgihest? I don't. I think he dimmed the chart down to that number to make it simpler. Unless you prove he didn't... then you have no chance.
The Whiskey Peak fight didn't finish. It's not good enough to PROVE that they're equal. For all we know, the fight could have become slightly one sided, and Luffy could have won. What are the chances of it ending a draw? No much at all. Since it didn't finish, Oda never cleared up who is stronger, and you are basing your judgement on the first part of the fight, which is okay, but it doesn't make your judgement a fact.
And you probably are Psolaras... but I don't really care, because I'm still here detonating your opinions. I'm showing you that what you are basing your opinions off are not good enough to PROVE anything.
Plus, the time of the fight and the time the chart was made was in the past anyway, so really... you'd have no point now at all. We're talking about the past... but if we talk about current One Piece, you have no proof at all to prove them equal.
I'm waiting to hear the usual "6=6!!! w00t Oda!!!"
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@$abZ:
LOL Superstar… a pie chart isn't a calculation, it is a result of one. Oda hasn't stated what calculations he did, meaning that you can not prove that he didn't do as I guessed. YOU CANNOT.
I've explained about graphs above... but you ignored. A graph is an illustrated version of the chart, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN DIMMED DOWN BY ODA, SO THE GRAPH WOULD HAVE TO ILLUSTRATE THE DIMMED DOWN VERSION. That's the law of graphs, look it up.
I say "may have" and "what if"... because nothing about how the chart was constructed has been stated, ever. Thus the value of 6 (the quantity, amount, size etc) is unknown. You really think Oda bases power levels with the number 6 as the hgihest? I don't. I think he dimmed the chart down to that number to make it simpler. Unless you prove he didn't... then you have no chance.
The Whiskey Peak fight didn't finish. It's not good enough to PROVE that they're equal. For all we know, the fight could have become slightly one sided, and Luffy could have won. What are the chances of it ending a draw? No much at all. Since it didn't finish, Oda never cleared up who is stronger, and you are basing your judgement on the first part of the fight, which is okay, but it doesn't make your judgement a fact.
And you probably are Psolaras... but I don't really care, because I'm still here detonating your opinions. I'm showing you that what you are basing your opinions off are not good enough to PROVE anything.
Plus, the time of the fight and the time the chart was made was in the past anyway, so really... you'd have no point now at all. We're talking about the past... but if we talk about current One Piece, you have no proof at all to prove them equal.
I'm waiting to hear the usual "6=6!!! w00t Oda!!!"
$abz from all that garble you've answered nothing.
Originally Posted by SuperStar
Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out.If your theory was correct both luffy's and zoro's bar wouldn't fill the chart all the way out. If it was how you thought zoro or luffy's bar would have stopped on 5. [insert number here]. So your theory is wrong and you won't admit it, you're trying to do this>>> MY theory>>>>Oda's fact.
I'll leave you with this
_> Originally Posted by **ONEinchPUNCH
I don't blame you though, you can't exactly say both charts aren't filled to the max
Although none of that matters anymore anyway, if a fight between them can go either way it shows they are basically equal. If they weren't basically equal one would dominate the fight and that didn't happen.**_
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$abz:
why do you even keep discussing this? why not jsut give it a rest? theese guys will allways defend their view that zoro and luffy are equal untill proven otherwise but why do you have to defend the view that it cant be proven?
its like argumenting if the greek gods should be called by their roman or greek names.
everyone:
IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION! hell even the point of view that it can be proven or not has become an opinion. and none of you can convince the other guy you are right so just give it a rest. all of you. -
Hey Gorlom is right to a sense.
I can't believe we're still at the silly chart. It's all too open to interpretation to say one is more right than the other.
To the persons who say that theirs is the only right way to see the chart: STOP IT. What in the world are you saying?
To OIP and Superstar: Do you really not understand? Or are you just pretending? Both my friend and I were assigned a grade 5 for physical fitness, the max there is. Does that mean that we're exactly equally strong? Or are you saying that the range from 1 to 6 is a huge difference from 1 to 5? Like $abz said, it's very likely that Oda wants to give us a more simplistic way of seeing their relative strengths. I mean, do you want him torment him with drawing 1000 divisions for each of his charts? We won't even be able to read the chart properly. I just don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this concept. We know you're saying both Luffy and Zoro's strength were both assigned a number 6, so in your opinion it must mean they are equal. But that's not the only way to read a chart. Stop acting like yours is the absolute way, like there's no other. Contrary to your belief, Oda did NOT specifically mention that giving 6 to each of their strengths means that they have exactly equal fighting abilities, or even have exactly equal strength. He just gave us a chart, voila, and leaves us there.
Instead of saying "there's no other way to read the chart other than there only being 6 divisions of strength", say "here's how i read the chart; it may still differ from yours"
To $abz: I know how you're feeling, but please don't argue with them anymore. Seriously, even though I read the chart the same way as you do, it doesn't mean that others will do the same. If they insist on doing so, fine, let them. Say "you may be right (which they may; it's possible), but i have a different way of reading the chart," then proceed to explain yours, instead of saying "No, here's the right way of seeing it.." You get what I'm saying? There's no absolute reference frame to see the graph since Oda did not mention anything, so even as we disagree with their views, and can be quite stick in the mud about it (yeah i got pissed off a few times too, but we just have to let it go), there's basically no way to prove we're right, or prove their wrong, so we can only suggest. The worst thing to do is get in a meaningless fight just to "be right". I mean, don't everyone want to be? But that's not how we learn is it? We learn from the times when we were wrong, not when we were right. That's called growing up.
Chill out, everyone, yeah?
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Hey Gorlom is right to a sense.
I can't believe we're still at the silly chart. It's all too open to interpretation to say one is more right than the other.
To the persons who say that theirs is the only right way to see the chart: STOP IT. What in the world are you saying?
To OIP and Superstar: Do you really not understand? Or are you just pretending? Both my friend and I were assigned a grade 5 for physical fitness, the max there is. Does that mean that we're exactly equally strong? Or are you saying that the range from 1 to 6 is a huge difference from 1 to 5? Like $abz said, it's very likely that Oda wants to give us a more simplistic way of seeing their relative strengths. I mean, do you want him torment him with drawing 1000 divisions for each of his charts? We won't even be able to read the chart properly. I just don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this concept. We know you're saying both Luffy and Zoro's strength were both assigned a number 6, so in your opinion it must mean they are equal. But that's not the only way to read a chart. Stop acting like yours is the absolute way, like there's no other. Contrary to your belief, Oda did NOT specifically mention that giving 6 to each of their strengths means that they have exactly equal fighting abilities, or even have exactly equal strength. He just gave us a chart, voila, and leaves us there.
Instead of saying "there's no other way to read the chart other than there only being 6 divisions of strength", say "here's how i read the chart; it may still differ from yours"
To $abz: I know how you're feeling, but please don't argue with them anymore. Seriously, even though I read the chart the same way as you do, it doesn't mean that others will do the same. If they insist on doing so, fine, let them. Say "you may be right (which they may; it's possible), but i have a different way of reading the chart," then proceed to explain yours, instead of saying "No, here's the right way of seeing it.." You get what I'm saying? There's no absolute reference frame to see the graph since Oda did not mention anything, so even as we disagree with their views, and can be quite stick in the mud about it (yeah i got pissed off a few times too, but we just have to let it go), there's basically no way to prove we're right, or prove their wrong, so we can only suggest. The worst thing to do is get in a meaningless fight just to "be right". I mean, don't everyone want to be? But that's not how we learn is it? We learn from the times when we were wrong, not when we were right. That's called growing up.
Chill out, everyone, yeah?
Originally Posted by SuperStar
Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out.
If your theory was correct both luffy's and zoro's bar wouldn't fill the chart all the way out. If it was how you thought zoro or luffy's bar would have stopped on 5. [insert number here].Why do people ignore this^?
Archtyrant it's already using a high and low number system, have you not seen the pie chart?
Oda could have stopped zoro or luffy's strengths on 5.9 or 5.3 if he wanted to. The fact is he didn't and that's going by the theory you are using, so why can't you see that?
In your next post don't skip this part^ and you'll understand your theories don't matter.
But like I said earlier this doesn't matter anymore luffy and zoro are basically equal. If they weren't the fight would have been one-sided, which it wasn't.
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Well, as is often the case there is no right or wrong. You are both right and both wrong in a sence. First, yeah - that graph or chart ot what ever it was was probably scaled down for simplicity and clarity. And yeah, there could be some difference between two characters that seem to be given equal "grades".
Still, while this is a viable logic it is not entirely correct as it is general and not taking in account the simple fact - if Oda wanted to differentiate the two characters he would have done so. He easily could have given Zoro 5.9 or Luffy 5.9, thus clearly indicating who was stronger. He did not. He made them equal and so for all purposes they are equal. Yes, your theory that there can be difference between the two 6 is viable and logical, but remains just a theory until Oda proves it to be truth. Simultaneously, Zoro=Luffy as given by Oda. If anything, OiP seems to be right, or more so than you, as he goes by the manga even if he does not do a very good job of constructing logical arguments.Only human.
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OIP: I countered your arguement, and Superstar's. Try reading this before posting something.
_I think that there were 5 members of the SHs at the time of the chart. So let's say that the power of all the SHs at that time adds to 185.
Note: This is just a guess of all the powers, to prove my theory of maths that may have been used by Oda.
Luffy = 60, Zoro = 55, Sanji = 45, Nami = 9, Usopp = 16 = 185
What Oda could have done is got the highest value (60) and divided it by 6 (the number he wanted to use in the chart) which equals 10.
Nami got lower than 10, so she ends up placed as 1. Usopp would be 2, because he is lower than 20 but higher than 10. 10 is a sixth of 60.
0-10 = 1
10-20 = 2
21-30 = 3
31-40 = 4
41-50 = 5
51-60 = 6Anyone over 50 would be classed as 6… HOWEVER... the value of a sixth is 10 so there can be a difference between the two that got 6. In this case, Luffy and Zoro were classed as 6 but Luffy got a higher value in terms of power levels. His power level was 5 higher than Zoro's.
THIS IS HOW ODA COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT WITH DIFFERENT FIGURES. UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T DO THIS AND PROVE THE VALUE OF ONE SIXTH, THEN YOU CANNOT FULLY PROVE THAT LUFFY = ZORO.
Oda never stated the value of a sixth... so everything that you guys say about 6=6 is mere speculation, and it has not been proved that Oda never used this method but never revealed it. The value of a sixth was never stated. Oda may have left us to think a little more, he may not... if you can prove (and I mean PROVE as in a quote from him or something in the chart) that Oda never used this sort of method, then you are right. If you can't prove it... then 6=6 (in the chart) is mere speculation on your part.
The graph with the chart only illustrates it. Oda may have dimmed down his analysis into 6 levels... and the graph merely shows the 6 parts.
It's like exam results, in my area and in many other areas. They make graphs on the class... and the individual people. On the y axis they have printed A, B, C, D, E, and U. People who have gotten A have their bars in the exact same place, because the graph is dimmed down.
The real results show that two people would have the bar at the same place, but really one did better than the other in the test, beating him by a few marks. The graph is an illustration. The real meaning hides in the database of marks that the students picked up.
Graphs are regularly dimmed down, to make them look simpler. That means that there are less figures on the y axis... so some results must reach the same figure, even if they aren't exactly equal in value.
In this case, Oda may have dimmed down the chart and graph... after using my theory. That would mean that he doesn't yet want to show Luffy = Zoro, or Luffy > Zoro... but has hinted they are around the same strength. The graph just illustrates that they both got 6.
Oda said nothing of his methods; so the value of 6 is pure speculation._
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@$abZ:
OIP: I countered your arguement, and Superstar's. Try reading this before posting something.
Originally Posted by SuperStar
Oda has a pie chart and Luffy and Zoro's strength is filled entirley all the way out.Didn't you read that^? Each pie chart is the same and they use a scale system, from 0.0 to 6
So a type of your theory is already in play, the bar on the pie chart can already stop on 5. [insert number here]. The fact it didn't stop there and stopped on the max, shows they are equal on the data book.
Saying you don't know the value of 6 doesn't work here because the value of 6 is shown on the bar chart. An example would be stopping the bar slightly before the max, that would make it 5.8
So if he stopped it there and just rounded it up to 6 like you say, it would be a lower value 6. Thus proving you right, but he doesn't, he stops both bars on the max.
Now do you understand?
Also before you say this doesn't prove their skills in a fight are equal, I've explained how the manga and data book both introduced STRENGTH at the same time. Meaning it's impossible for it to be a mere coincidence, strength (just like all fighting manga's) fighting ability.
HOWEVER for this debate I'm going to stick with this
Luffy and Zoro are basically equal. If they weren't the fight would have been one-sided, which it wasn't.
That's true and is shown in the manga.
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OIP, I've countered the bar graph thing you keep mentioning. Here's an idea… try reading my post. Carefully.
Read this too:
I've explained about graphs above… but you ignored. A graph is an illustrated version of the chart, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN DIMMED DOWN BY ODA, SO THE GRAPH WOULD HAVE TO ILLUSTRATE THE DIMMED DOWN VERSION. That's the law of graphs, look it up.
I say "may have" and "what if"... because nothing about how the chart was constructed has been stated, ever. Thus the value of 6 (the quantity, amount, size etc) is unknown. You really think Oda bases power levels with the number 6 as the hgihest? I don't. I think he dimmed the chart down to that number to make it simpler. Unless you prove he didn't... then you have no chance.
The Whiskey Peak fight didn't finish. It's not good enough to PROVE that they're equal. For all we know, the fight could have become slightly one sided, and Luffy could have won. What are the chances of it ending a draw? No much at all. Since it didn't finish, Oda never cleared up who is stronger, and you are basing your judgement on the first part of the fight, which is okay, but it doesn't make your judgement a fact.
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ugh $abZ hes not going to read what you say anymore then what you read what he says. just accept that you are at a deadlock
HOW THE GRAPHS CAN BE INTERPERATED IS NOW AN OPINION NOT A FACT! NEITHER ARGUMENT IS VALID PROOF SO STOP REPEATING THEM!
that goes for you to $abZ -
I've basically done enough for now. Of course OIP will say that I haven't countered anything, when clearly I have.
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ugh $abZ hes not going to read what you say anymore then what you read what he says. just accept that you are at a deadlock
HOW THE GRAPHS CAN BE INTERPERATED IS NOW AN OPINION NOT A FACT! NEITHER ARGUMENT IS VALID PROOF SO STOP REPEATING THEM!
that goes for you to $abZI read his theory and it's basically already in use, I explained that in my post.
So it seems no-one read mine
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not for now $abZ. for good. leearn to recognize a deadlock and when to stop.
it doesent even matter anymore does it?
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I read his theory and it's basically already in use, I explained that in my post.
So it seems no-one read mine
ssshh $abZ needs to learn to recognize a deadlock and you need to learn when it is in your best intrest to just watch what unfolds even if you have something to say.
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Oh man I've really waited for this day.
$abz, i think they really did read your post, and i can see where they are coming from. It's not that they don't understand; it's just that they have a different way of reading the graph, which is perfectly fine actually.
To OiP and ysn: yes I can see where you guys are coming from. Still, here's a look at the chart that an MSN group has kindly allowed any audience to view: http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/red.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=8085
If you see the chart, Oda did not draw any subdivisions indicating any decimal places. It was clearly divided in 6 divisions, and this type of chart is atypical for most mangas (I've seen them quite a number of times in comics like Rave, Flame of Recca and Grander Musashi). None of them use decimal places to indicate any marginal differences in strengths. The only time I saw the graph went different was when a guy named Domon Ishijima, some character in FoR, powered up his psychic device and blew his "jing shen li", or concentration power, way off the scales of the chart, indicating his determination to not lose the fight. That was a one-time incident.. but anyway there's no relevance here i'm just recounting the times i used to enjoy manga like no one's business..
The thing is, though decimal places are possible, manga authors are more inclined not to include them since 1. they encourage debates of this sort, to increase readership and enjoyment of their respective mangas and 2. they generally use the charts more as a reference guide than an absolute value. Therefore, while it is possible that the chart may mean they have equal strengths, it also doesn't deny the possibility that they have marginal differences in strengths. Besides, if you ask me, i think it'd look weird if they they divided the chart into 6 divisions and then stopped the value halfway. It'd look more like a misprint than a show of marginal difference in strengths.
And btw, the chart isn't a "pie" chart. The actual term is "radar" chart. Pie charts are more inclined to look tastier.
Another side note is that if you look to the right of the chart, it says "No.1 strongest in East Blue". But that doesn't matter since they're already in the Grandline lol.
OiP it's good to debate with you when you've stopped being so "thins must be this way". Thanks!
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This is going to probably be my last post here (haha yah right…) but
What I find difficult to assess is how some people (only some) find it impossible that Luffy = Zoro This is a manga, being equal is very possible. Oda has done this too.
Dorry and Broggy
WB and Roger
Mohji and Cabaji (in the side story) Norland and Kalgara (sp?) Ace and Smoker (this is speculation again on my part, and also with the recent events of Ace, well…)So yes being equal is very possible. So why can Zoro and Luffy be? (that includes Sanji, Franky, etc too but thats another issue)
Also about the Whiskey Peak fight Yes I understand that it was ages ago, and Im fine with that as a counter statement, because yes like you guys said they develop new skills, got stronger, so the fight could be different now.
But, Im NOT OK with people saying it wasnt a serious fight.
Like Luffy says to his enemies Im always serious
plus Luffy and Zoro are very aware of the "warriors code" Like Broggy said "you cant show sympathy to a warrior looking for a duel"Yes it ended in a comedic way, but if it were to end seriously, that would really have strained Luffy and Zoro's relationship.
I predict Zoro's vow to Luffy (if he ever jeopardizes his dream, he'll leave) will come true and Whiskey Peak would have been way too early for that. I SPECULATE that at some point they will have tension building up between them and to have Whiskey Peak end seriously would have been to early for that.Also even in real life, being equal is possible. Not exact, but close enough to be considered as. In rugby, we had another opposition team that we pretty much considered equal, everytime we played it was almost like 50/50 and even though sometimes we lost or won, the next match could be different. I mean this applies to just about everything as well.
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@$abZ:
LOL Superstar… a pie chart isn't a calculation, it is a result of one. Oda hasn't stated what calculations he did, meaning that you can not prove that he didn't do as I guessed.
This isn't a guessing game. I see you ignored my post again, how ironic, you ignored that just like you ignore Oda and the manga!
Well, this guy ysn said the same damn thing OIP and I have been saying, $abz wit the money $ LOL!!!….......
@ysn:
if Oda wanted to differentiate the two characters he would have done so. He easily could have given Zoro 5.9 or Luffy 5.9, thus clearly indicating who was stronger. He did not. He made them equal and so for all purposes they are equal. Yes, your theory that there can be difference between the two 6 is viable and logical, but remains just a theory until Oda proves it to be truth. Simultaneously, Zoro=Luffy as given by Oda. If anything, OiP seems to be right, or more so than you, as he goes by the manga.
Show me WHY Luffy aqnd Zoro are not equal USING ACTUAL FACTS FROM THE MANGA AND DATABOOKS??!! Not your theories not your calculations because guess what? NONE OF YOUR THEORIES ARE STATED IN THE MANGA.
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@ Archtyrant
I read $abz theory 20 pages ago, I just can't rate his theory higher than what is written in stone. But don't get me wrong even if albert einstein gave his theory, I won't rate it higher than what Oda's already written.
Now Like I was saying before the chart is already using a type of $abz theory. Now you said the chart doesn't have decimal places, I think they're just not shown as lines on the chart.
An example would be measuring how much water is in a jug, many jugs make each line worth 2mm. This means if the water level is inbetween two lines you don't round it up, that exact position can be read. Now Oda's chart make this possible at least to the 0.5 (1,1.5,2,2.5,3,3.5).
So basically all this time I've been saying if Oda had got different calculations for luffy and zoro's strength, it could have easily been shown through the chart. Now if you and $abz think Oda's lying and has purposely done this to make people debate, then fair enough you can go with that. Just don't place a theory higher than what has been written in stone and released to the public.
So now that we've got the chart out of the way, I think we should start comparing the two with events from the manga.
Nice post you've just proved the people who said it's impossible to be exactly equal wrong.
He can't prove his theory even wit all da money in the world and even if he claims the 6s value is unknown. At least what we say in actually in the manga, whatever it be, it's there. While there isn't even a trace of $abz theory.
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No one's saying that Oda is lying (c'mon did you think we'd really think that?). What we've been saying all this whole time is that the chart will not detect any marginal differences in strength. I don't get whats so damn hard to understand about that. I know you're saying that since both got a 6 therefore they must be equal. Your prelying assumption here is that the values recorded were exact to like 10 decimal places or something. And yes when i said decimal places i do mean the subdivisions, or lines like you call them. What we're saying is that 6 is more of a rounded off figure than an exact value. And no, I, or maybe we, think that showing the a 5.5 on the chart without drawing out the appropriate subdivisions will just make your chart look weird, or look misprinted.
What's so difficult to understand? Or is it that you MUST always have it your way? There's no way we can prove except through asking Oda, but neither can you actually disprove us at all.
To SuperStar: I think ysn was supporting your cause if you didn't read his post properly. It just goes to show how much effort you put into really udnerstanding one's post.
To Kma: I'm not sure if you're aiming that at me but it doesn't matter. I agree that equality can exist. I always supported Shanks being equal in fighting ability to Mihawk. But, there are reasons why I believe Luffy is stronger than Zoro, and I think you already understood my stand from my previous posts, because i don't feel like restating them here.
Whiskey peak ended in a draw, I agree Luffy was serious there, but there was one thing about it: the fight ended PREMATURELY. So there was no way to tell who'd win. Like the fight between Luffy and Lucci, you wouldn't guess Luffy would win (from the standpoint of a character in the One Piece; he was constantly getting beat up) until the end of the fight.
And if you did take the Whiskey Peak incident to be true, then you must take the Data Book to have up-to-date information: That Luffy is the (currently from publising of Data Book) No.1 strongest from East Blue. So fervent followers of the Data book, what do you have to say about that? Or don't tell me that line is a lie from Oda?
