I get the feeling Buggy is a major underdog in this whole series. Comic relief or not, as some have pointed out, he's surviving the Grandline perfectly fine. And if I'm not mistaken, he's the only villian to appear on all the opening videos 
. I wouldn't be surprised if Buggy pulls out a Gear 2-esque move in his grudge match.
Luffy & Zoro (Potential Spoilers)
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Isn't he supposed to be Oda's favorite villain? I don't think Oda would keep him in the story just for him to get shitcanned in one strike Bellamy style by Luffy or another Strawhat.
As for Alvida though… I have a hard time taking her seriously, her powers seem to be defensive only, if not gimmicky. I'd rank her on the same level than Moji and Cabaji.
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**If buggy would ge an Upgrade what do you think it would be?
But I don't see how anyone can say Buggy is nothing compared to Luffy. they both went to the GL at around the same time. They were both around the Same strengh when they last fought. And that fight never did finish. and someone that is a clown and can still be as badass as in my sig deserves some credit.**
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Yeah, Buggy is definitely getting stronger. Because certainly, he isn't getting beaten up or anything. I wouldn't be suprised if he already declared war on the gov't and wiped out the other Cipher Pols by himself.
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buggy s gear 2 : dividing himself on atomic level thus making from himself a quasi-logia –-> with no elemental weak point
just imagine
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@Octogon:
**If buggy would ge an Upgrade what do you think it would be?
But I don't see how anyone can say Buggy is nothing compared to Luffy. they both went to the GL at around the same time. They were both around the Same strengh when they last fought. And that fight never did finish. and someone that is a clown and can still be as badass as in my sig deserves some credit.**
Thinking about what you said made me think that Buggy might just be Luffy's "WhiteBeard" (rememeber he didn't actually got defeated by Luffy) the guy that ties the fight with Luffy
Althought Luffy's opposite seems to be BlackBeard
Buggy is probably one of the strongest bad characters ever, and being in the GL is almost certain that he will also have upgraded next time we see him
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Thinking about what you said made me think that Buggy might just be Luffy's "WhiteBeard" (rememeber he didn't actually got defeated by Luffy)
Hmmm..never thought of that. but I like it. I have concluded that either buggy or Zoro will be Luffy's "whitebeard".
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buggy s gear 2 : dividing himself on atomic level thus making from himself a quasi-logia –-> with no elemental weak point
Nice thought…I like I like!! That would be neat, as that would show he has amazing control over his DF ability.
Buggy is Luffy's 'Whitebeard' eh? That's a good one too. I can see it, a generation from where we are now, the great pirates will talk about the dread pirate Buggy the Clown, and how he's the only person to have tied with the pirate king Luffy. They shall speak of his cruelty and might at arms...
...know what, that's a sucky legacy for Buggy. He's too hilarious to gain such a dangerous rep. Bah to this idea I say...BAH!
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Yeah, Buggy is definitely getting stronger. Because certainly, he isn't getting beaten up or anything. I wouldn't be suprised if he already declared war on the gov't and wiped out the other Cipher Pols by himself.
Buggy's one of the baddest motherf*ckers of all time. He's one of the best lookin motherf%ckers you ever seen.
You can't handle the truth.
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It would be logical if he could make him self break into smaller parts than what we saw in beginning…wonder if it works when you cut him horizontally :\
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@Delord:
It would be logical if he could make him self break into smaller parts than what we saw in beginning…wonder if it works when you cut him horizontally :\
probably not.
Concerning Buggy: His DF is just too weak imo for him to ever being able to catch up with Luffy. Yes, he is hard to hit but there are way too many limitations on his DF. Even if he could separate into nearly infinitely small pieces it would be pretty useless after all he couldn't lift a thing that way or cause any damage at all. Moreover some body parts like his eyes he has to leave intact since he can't see without them. The next limitation is his field of vision. It is too small to effectively control all separated body parts which was demonstrated when he fought against Luffy and Nami tied up the neglected body parts without him noticing. Also the only dangerous body parts, since he obviously lacks superhuman strength or special martial arts, are his hands which severely limits his offensive potential.
My opinion is he may level up a bit on his journey along the grandline but until his reunion with Shanks all he'll be good for is comic relief.Gorlak wants you for the army
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Also the only dangerous body parts, since he obviously lacks superhuman strength or special martial arts, are his hands which severely limits his offensive potential.
Err… What?
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probably not.
why not?
Concerning Buggy: His DF is just too weak imo for him to ever being able to catch up with Luffy. Yes, he is hard to hit but there are way too many limitations on his DF. Even if he could separate into nearly infinitely small pieces it would be pretty useless after all he couldn't lift a thing that way or cause any damage at all. Moreover some body parts like his eyes he has to leave intact since he can't see without them. The next limitation is his field of vision. It is too small to effectively control all separated body parts which was demonstrated when he fought against Luffy and Nami tied up the neglected body parts without him noticing. Also the only dangerous body parts, since he obviously lacks superhuman strength or special martial arts, are his hands which severely limits his offensive potential.
My opinion is he may level up a bit on his journey along the grandline but until his reunion with Shanks all he'll be good for is comic relief.**That's seriously underestimating Buggy. How is his DF too weak? If people like Zoro or Sanji are about even to luffy why can't buggy catch up to him? Esp since he has a DF?
And how did you come to the conclusion that he lacks superhuman strengh or skills?
He was around even with Luffy when they first met. They both went to the GL at the same time. So I imagine Buggy is about as powerful as luffy now.**
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@Octogon:
why not?
cause I doubt it makes a difference to me whether you attempt to cut him horizontally or vertically or diagonally for that matter.
@Octogon:
That's seriously underestimating Buggy. How is his DF too weak? If people like Zoro or Sanji are about even to luffy why can't buggy catch up to him? Esp since he has a DF?
I thought it was obvious from my last post that i find Buggy's DF to be one of the weakest we've seen so far.
@Octogon:
And how did you come to the conclusion that he lacks superhuman strengh or skills?
Alright I withdraw the lack of superhuman strength but his fighting skills weren't all that much. He time and again neglected vulnerable body parts and his crew is just too pitiful for him to even become a great pirate.
@Octogon:
He was around even with Luffy when they first met. They both went to the GL at the same time. So I imagine Buggy is about as powerful as luffy now.
that would mean that everyone levels up at the same rate on grandline and that's not true for sure. The SH are quite extraordinary in their progress. Most pirates spend years to make a similar progress. Especially Buggy who was a crewmember of Shanks should have been ridiculously strong which he wasn't if you are consequent.
Gorlak wants you for the army
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I don't think Buggy is quite up to Luffy right now; no doubt the Grandline has made him much stronger, but there isn't any way the path he has had so far has been as trying as Luffy's. Right now, I feel if Luffy is a 10, Buggy is a 7.5 or 8…
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I don't see him being up with Luffy now nor do I think he'll ever be. There's no real way to determine his strenght either from what've seen, as we've seen him fought once and it was really just a comic relief fight with a half assed ending.
I just think that from what Oda said, Buggy isn't just a weakling or a useless secondary character. To use typical nerd speak, I'd say he's a upper middle tier villain.
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cause I doubt it makes a difference to me whether you attempt to cut him horizontally or vertically or diagonally for that matter.
I misunderstoof you, it seems.
I thought it was obvious from my last post that i find Buggy's DF to be one of the weakest we've seen so far.
I know, I'm asking why.
Alright I withdraw the lack of superhuman strength but his fighting skills weren't all that much. He time and again neglected vulnerable body parts and his crew is just too pitiful for him to even become a great pirate.
I agree with his crew being pitiful. But Buggy is special. Luffy didn't start out with many skills. But he improved, and look at him not. Plus Buggy had enoughf skills to split apart his body when zoro tried to cut him.
that would mean that everyone levels up at the same rate on grandline and that's not true for sure. The SH are quite extraordinary in their progress. Most pirates spend years to make a similar progress. Especially Buggy who was a crewmember of Shanks should have been ridiculously strong which he wasn't if you are consequent.
You're right that only a select few progress at the SH rate. But Buggy is a pirate that Oda is keeping the story. So it is highly likley that he is progressing at an extremley high rate.
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Buggy even with Luffy? Because he scratched his cheek?
People assume there was more to Buggy than we saw because he had a really messy ending in his fight. Uh…..? He couldn't concentrate on the guy kicking his nuts, he definitely deserved to lose regardless.
And with Zoro. So he stabbed him. Zoro doesn't really need to slash in order to win, unless it's an extremely strong enemy, and you'd be crazy to think Buggy was up there, from what we saw. BTW, it didn't seem like skill that he got out of being hurt, he's a paramecia.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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At the time, Buggy was equal with Luffy. Really, if Nami didn't interfere, Buggy could have beat Luffy. Luffy said it himself: "If it's like this, there is no way I can beat him!"
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Buggy didn't lose either of his fights with Luffy. There were distractions inherent in both. However, he also didn't win any of them. As such, we can not determine whether or not Buggy is on par with Luffy in a one-on-one match. Buggy will come back with a vengeance later, and we'll have to leave it up to Oda to see how.
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@Octogon:
I know, I'm asking why.
Cause as I said his attacks are limited to his hands as it seems, his field of vision is too small and he is therefore prone to neglecting some of his bodyparts. His ability to separate won't help him against attacks with high destructive capabilities like Zoro's 36 pound cannon because even if he were to separate all those bodyparts would still get hit cause they couldn't evade the attack quickly enough.
Gorlak wants you for the army
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Cause as I said his attacks are limited to his hands as it seems, his field of vision is too small and he is therefore prone to neglecting some of his bodyparts. His ability to separate won't help him against attacks with high destructive capabilities like Zoro's 36 pound cannon because even if he were to separate all those bodyparts would still get hit cause they couldn't evade the attack quickly enough.
**How are his attacks limited to his hands? We see hmi use his feet. He uses his head. and even his torso. there is so much potiental with his DF.
and how do you know buggys sepereating speed?**
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I wasn't able to read the whole discussion, I stopped mainly because it seemed it was getting off topic. But I think the whole reason that Luffy chose Zoro is because he knew blades were his weakness. I think that is one of the things unique about One piece is that the characters are used to compliment eachother. We all know that Luffy will beat Lucci, however we don't know for sure that Luffy could be Kaku, (remember Luffy said himself he is weak against blades) so Zoro takes on Kaku. Just like we know that Zoro is going to be Kaku, but we don't know that he could be Lucci. Like Luffy could beat Crocodile but I am almost possitive he would have more than a little trouble with Daz Bones, and Zoro wouldn't be able to touch Crocodile yet he was able to defeat Daz. Anyway what I am saying is, in one piece its hard to determine who is stronger (Luffy, Robin, Zoro, Sanji, Chopper, Ussop, and Nami) because while one maybe able to beat another there is not one in the crew that would be able to defeat each and every crew member. Not that they would want to anyway.
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isnt the 36 pound cannon just an air cut ? if so then it would have no effect on buggy no matter how fast he can separate all that happens when buggy is cut is that he is seperated into his parts he isnt hurt in anyway.
im one of those who belive Buggy is improving and will be able to pose a threat later on and i also have a theory that his crew is being uppgraded by him rallying some of Luffys former foes like alvida and hopefuly somemore like prehaps Foxy and such cause in all honesty his first crew sucked utter donkey balls…
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At the time, Buggy was equal with Luffy. Really, if Nami didn't interfere, Buggy could have beat Luffy. Luffy said it himself: "If it's like this, there is no way I can beat him!"
I only have the American edition and stephen's translation, and in neither of them did he imply that he couldn't win. But even if those words were there, look at the actual fight. The hits he took before finding Nami, and the little scratch on Luffy's face. Kuro slashed Luffy's entire body at suped speed and still got his ass kicked.
As shown in Loguetown, he could pose a threat, but I don't think there's a reason to take him seriously as a fight yet.
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he did say something like that it was when buggy did his carnival but it was more along the lines of its impossible to hit all these teeny tiny parts than it was of him not being able to defeat him.
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Well, lemme show you the one I have, then.
Any, if he did say "It's impossible to hit all those tiny pieces.", then that's the same thing as saying he can't beat him, 'cuz if Luffy can't hit him, how can he beat him?
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But OBVIOUSLY Luffy isn't going to concede defeat, especially before he's been hurt.
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Buggy even with Luffy? Because he scratched his cheek?
I don't recall doing much to hurt buggy either. Exept for the kick in the balls.
People assume there was more to Buggy than we saw because he had a really messy ending in his fight. Uh…..? He couldn't concentrate on the guy kicking his nuts, he definitely deserved to lose regardless.
He was obviously more worried about the tresure.
And with Zoro. So he stabbed him. Zoro doesn't really need to slash in order to win, unless it's an extremely strong enemy, and you'd be crazy to think Buggy was up there, from what we saw. BTW, it didn't seem like skill that he got out of being hurt, he's a paramecia.
**Stab or slash, buggy can seperate. Plus buggy himself said he is immune to blades, though not completley true it does hold ground.
It was skill that got hm out of being cut be Zoro. I don't recall buggy saying that his body automaticly seperates when he is cut. Unless he can reform his body as long as it is in his range.
And I hate when people judge characters strengh only on what we saw. Esp when we havn't seen him for a few hundred chapters. We don't know what buggy is capable of. But the fact that he has something to do with shanks and he is traveling the GL looking for luffy (the future pirate king) suggests he is on luffy strengh or slightly below, to me at least.**
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Well, lemme show you the one I have, then.
Any, if he did say "It's impossible to hit all those tiny pieces.", then that's the same thing as saying he can't beat him, 'cuz if Luffy can't hit him, how can he beat him?[qimg]http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1862/op020087bz.jpg[/qimg]
But Luffy "solves" this problem in the same page! He grabs Buggy's feet and procedes to torture Buggy's foot.
And I think you're interepting it wrong. When Luffy said he couldn't hit him, he meant in present time. It's not like he was giving up, he's just pointing out a problem he has to overcome to beat Buggy, like Kuro's speed, Crocodiles logia, and Enel's mantra.
As for Buggy strength, yeah, he could be a threat to the crew, but I don't think Buggy would win against Luffy. While it's true that without Nami;s interference that the fight would have gone on longer, each of Luffy punches and kick hurt Buggy really badly. He seems to have an edge in strength.
Of course, I really have no idea what Oda inteneds to do with Buggy later on in the story. I imagine it would involve Whitebeard or something.
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His body does separate immediatly when cut.
But Luffy "solves" this problem in the same page! He grabs Buggy's feet and procedes to torture Buggy's foot.
And I think you're interepting it wrong. When Luffy said he couldn't hit him, he meant in present time. It's not like he was giving up, he's just pointing out a problem he has to overcome to beat Buggy, like Kuro's speed, Crocodiles logia, and Enel's mantra.
As for Buggy strength, yeah, he could be a threat to the crew, but I don't think Buggy would win against Luffy. While it's true that without Nami;s interference that the fight would have gone on longer, each of Luffy punches and kick hurt Buggy really badly. He seems to have an edge in strength.
Of course, I really have no idea what Oda inteneds to do with Buggy later on in teh sotry. I imagine it would involve Whitebeard or something.
Do you really think that Buggy would have let Luffy touch his feet if he was even there? The only reason Luffy could do that is becasue Buggy was going after Nami, and couldn't even see Luffy.
And as a problem to "overcome", there was no way for him to overcome it. Luffy didn't overcome anything in the Enel fight, he just got beaten up, then then, for the sake of the plot, KOed Enel at the end of the fight. And Kuro's speed wasn't a big problem, seeing as Luffy caught him easily. -
His body does separate immediatly when cut.
**How do you know this? How do you know he doesn't seperate himself when he feels a blade. Or that if he is cut he can reform? We don't know the exact nature of buggys DF. but I doubt it automaticly seperates when cut. How would his body be able to differinciate between a blade and a stick?
EDIT: Maybe I should make a thread about this. we're going off topic.**
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Then why would he say he was immune to blades? That's a stupid thing to say if he wasn't. It's the same as Luffy being immune to bullets, he doesn't make his body rubber as soon as they hit, does he?
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@Octogon:
**How do you know this? How do you know he doesn't seperate himself when he feels a blade. Or that if he is cut he can reform? We don't know the exact nature of buggys DF. but I doubt it automaticly seperates when cut. How would his body be able to differinciate between a blade and a stick?
EDIT: Maybe I should make a thread about this. we're going off topic.**
No no no, Buggy is immune to blades just as Mr. 5 is immune to bombs and how Luffy was immune to blunt force. It's not scienece, it's one piece fact. Buggy is a splitting man.
Buggy's body naturally separates, so when his gets cut it's the same as when Buggy splits himself up. I mean, are you saying that if he's not paying attention that he can get cut like anyone else? Yes, I think he automatically separates when cut. The different between and blade and a stick is that the blade will cut his arm off whereas the stick wouldn't do much.
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@Octogon:
I don't recall doing much to hurt buggy either. Exept for the kick in the balls.
He kicked him in the stomach extremely hard, tackled him, and chopped his face when he tried to seperate. He didn't even have a reason to get off, he was just standing in the next scene.**> He was obviously more worried about the tresure.
So I don't think people should give him as much credit for being a smart fighter.**
**> Stab or slash, buggy can seperate. Plus buggy himself said he is immune to blades, though not completley true it does hold ground.I didn't say stab. I think Zoro can beat him with kicks.
And I hate when people judge characters strengh only on what we saw. Esp when we havn't seen him for a few hundred chapters. We don't know what buggy is capable of. But the fact that he has something to do with shanks and he is traveling the GL looking for luffy (the future pirate king) suggests he is on luffy strengh or slightly below, to me at least.
To me it's much more logical than assuming that someone ate the Jesus Jesus no Mi inbetween the time we last saw them and now. Or just bring up random super powered people that we know nothing about. At least seeing them we get a decent idea of how they work.**
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wasn't buggy's feet his weekness since they couldn't seperate like the other body parts a few long range attack to buggy's feet and buggy is defeated
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I'm with Octogon and Kenechi on this one. I do think we will see more of Buggy. It may take a while, and I can't even begin to think what Buggy will be like when he finally catches up, but I'm fairly sure he will catch up. Buggy is just too obsessed with it to not see him again!
I reckon he'll gain some more crew members by then (perhaps some Boroques Works' officers, some of Enel's old gang, and perhaps Foxy after winning a Davy Back Fight against his crew), but I don't really care if he does that…
He'll probably be a lot more powerful, and maybe he'll give Luffy wuite the run for his money. He could get Luffy when he's all alone, with the whole gang that is with him. He could be well aware of every single one of Luffy's weaknesses, after doing proper research. It could also be he fights with a lot more passion than Luffy, if the fight ensues at a moment Luffy doesn't care too much anymore (after becoming the Pirate King, when his dream has come true, for example).
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Luffy didn't overcome anything in the Enel fight, he just got beaten up, then then, for the sake of the plot, KOed Enel at the end of the fight. A
Uhm, did you watch a different fight? Luffy beat the hell out of Eneru, kicked his ass some more and then was thrown down along with the golden ball. And then he came back and hit him twice ending the fight.
Order of the fight.
- Eneru tries lightning attacks on luffy but they don't work.
- Luffy nullifies Eneru's lightning physique and hits him hard
- Eneru forges the golden spear and hits luffy twice.
- Luffy can't hit him because of the Mantra
- Luffy uses Gomu Gomu no Booooh ( Baka ) to avoid Eneru's attacks
- Luffy uses Gomu Gomu no Tako Hanabi to pummel Eneru, Gomu Gomu no Bazuka and Gomu Gomu No Rifle
- Eneru turns the golden wall into a ball and attaches it to Luffy's arm.
*** END OF PART 1 ***
-Luffy comes back to the sky and hits Eneru in the face with a kick
-Luffy uses Gomu Gomu no Ougon Rifle and KOs Eneru.Yeah, looks like Luffy ruled the fight to me.
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See, if we are going to speculate a Luffy vs. Buggy fight using current Luffy and past Buggy, obviously Buggy is going to get torn apa…I mean, pummeled horribly. However, to assume that Buggy hasn't improved at all or only improved slightly is wrong too. We have to allow Buggy to have far more control over his ability than what we saw him with. And anyways, the point is not whether Buggy can beat Luffy now or not, the point is Buggy is going to be a much more powered up one the next time we see him and trying to predict what how he will use his powers. Will he control his power on a logia like level? I think so.
And on topic, I'm really eager to see what Zoro is going to pull out in this fight, and see how far he is from Sanji and Luffy. BUt based on pre-Enies Lobby stuff, I think Zoro fell behind by quite some distance compared to Luffy.
All your flatlines are belong to me!!
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^ I agree. You don't have to say buggy can own luffy or is even with him. But to say buggy hasn't been inproving at a good rate is just…wrong.
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@Octogon:
^ I agree. You don't have to say buggy can own luffy or is even with him. But to say buggy hasn't been inproving at a good rate is just…wrong.
actually it isn't so wrong if you think about it. one might argue that buggy having his DF for twenty years now should have developed his abilities nearly to their limit. If he wasn't able to make it in twenty years he won't be able to in the month or so since he met Luffy for the first time. You might say neither should Luffy be able to improve so quickly in this case since he had his DF for ten years ,too. However the difference between the two of them for Luffy each fight is a huge new experience. The first time he fought ever was against Alvida and from then on all the enemies he fought had their unique abilities which caused his growth. Buggy on the other hand has been at sea for twenty years and should have been in a lot more fights than Luffy. His way of fighting is much closer to its completion so their won't be great changes.
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Even if he isn't that much stronger, a well set-up scheme could give him advantages in many other ways. I know Luffy wasn't half the man is now back in Loguetown, but if it weren't for Luffy's luck (or Dragon, so you please) Buggy would have executed Luffy there… Who's to say Buggy can't totally surprise Luffy like that again?
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But Buggy doesn't necessarly need to be a completely different fighter to give troubles to Luffy and his crew. You're making it sound like we've seen everything he was capable of during his first fight and that it was his limit of competences.
How many attacks did he use during that fight? Bara Bara punch, that slashed Luffy's cheek, Bara Bara Senbei and Bara Bara Festival. Do you honestly think that's all there's to see from him?
Apparently he was about to use another powerful technique just before he figured out Nami tied up his body parts, and he could perfectly have killed Luffy if he had targeted his body instead of his hat.
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WoW!! :wassat: Alot of "serious"
Buggy supporters. IMO, Buggy is nothing more than comic relief. I believe he will be kept in the story, and I believe he'll confront Luffy again, and probably again. However, I don't think there'll be a serious showdown between the SHs and Buggy crew. I expect that it'll just be another entertaining confrontation.Yes, Buggy has been to the GrandLine and he knows about Whitebeard, and he knows about Shanks, yet he isn't considered as Dangerous as either of them. He's afraid of Whitebeard, and this shows that he doesn't have the same courage as Luffy. He looked down on Luffy b/c he saw him as this snotty kid who didn't know his place. This in comparison to Luffy who isn't afraid to challenge anyone (even the WG
). From what we've seen of Buggy so far, I don't see how he could pose a serious threat to Luffy/SH, he's simple a comic relief character IMHO.WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
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WoW!! :wassat: Alot of "serious"
Buggy supporters. IMO, Buggy is nothing more than comic relief. I believe he will be kept in the story, and I believe he'll confront Luffy again, and probably again. However, I don't think there'll be a serious showdown between the SHs and Buggy crew. I expect that it'll just be another entertaining confrontation.Yes, Buggy has been to the GrandLine and he knows about Whitebeard, and he knows about Shanks, yet he isn't considered as Dangerous as either of them. He's afraid of Whitebeard, and this shows that he doesn't have the same courage as Luffy. He looked down on Luffy b/c he saw him as this snotty kid who didn't know his place. This in comparison to Luffy who isn't afraid to challenge anyone (even the WG
). From what we've seen of Buggy so far, I don't see how he could pose a serious threat to Luffy/SH, he's simple a comic relief character IMHO.I wouldn't go so far since he might have some interaction with Shanks and / or Whitebeard in the future, but in principle I think you are right Buggy becoming a serious threat, unless due to his scheming ways, would make their whole progress somewhat ridiculous
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the fact that he is in the new opening makes me suspicious about his future but look how strong the strawhats have become and buggy has alvida cabaji and that beast tamer guy so i can't think how would the crew last one second against either luffy,zoro and sanji,i think it would have been cool if buggy fought the straw hats the same time with black beard,it could be black beard vs luffy,laffite vs zoro,champion vs sanji,doctor q vs chopper, van auge with usopp,franky vs buggy,nami vs alvida,robin vs beast tamer and zoro finishing quick in the beginning cabaji
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Buggy has some nasty tricks in his hands.
First of all, he knows Luffy's weakness: the hat. No other villain so far has figured Luffy's true weakness, but Buggy may use it to his advantage.
Also, unlike all other main villains so far, Buggy will not underestimate Luffy when they begin fighting again.
And no one can be sure how much Buggy has improved since his last appearance.Also, finally, the Buggy vs. Luffy fight never ended. Nami interrupted the fight, and Luffy used it to his advantage. Then Nami prevented Buggy from using his body so that Luffy could finish it. I don't think this is just coincidence: Oda is telling us that we have not seen everything of Buggy yet.
Now for Cabaji, Alvida and Mooji:
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Cabaji fought Zoro and lost, now wants revenge. He seems the kind of guy that won't just try to attack Zoro from behind. I do think he is improving his skills. Will he be able to give Zoro some trouble? Maybe not a lot, but I do feel he will cheat once again to gain an advantage (like in their past fight)
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Alvida is a mystery. We know very little of her ability, and she seems to be pretty strong with that huge iron club of her. Her ability makes her immune to all blunt trauma, much like Luffy's own ability. I think she may be the perfect foe for Robin, since Robin would be unable to hold her.
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Mooji does seem weak. But I remember seeing him destroying an entire house when he kicked Luffy. Mooji may be a good fight for Chopper, but I would like to see Ritchie eating a Devil Fruit so that Mooji would have a pet devil-powered lion. Also, we have seem very little of Mooji's abilities to "train" animals. He could very well have other pets in his service.
I don't know when or how, but Buggy crew will sooner or later appear and give a lot of trouble to the Strawhats. Maybe they won't stand for long in a fight, but they may cause trouble and cripple the Strawhats in other ways, using treachery or attracting greater foes to "soften" the SH's while waiting their time to strike.
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Sorry for my english, but I'm Italian… Anyway, I must say it: Luffy and Zoro are equal...
Well... We don't know if they still are now with the new power ups Gears and Ashura...
But at least they are equal in base form...The battle with Lucci and Kaku (the first is double the Doriki the second is) doesn't mean too much... Kaku is a swordsman and his true power is with swords... Also Doriki doesn't measure the power boost due to Devil Friuts...
And added to this, we must say that Zoro defeated Kaku with half the effort asked to Luffy against Lucci... So neither this can be a proof that Luffy is stronger than Zoro...
We have the proof they are equal, at least until the early arcs.
The fight at Wiskey Peak is an even match... And they were fighting seriously since Zoro put his bandana on and Luffy got rid of the food...
Equal power is what we see... No doubt...So it means that for example that Zoro would have been able to handle Arlong if not badly hurt... Just like Luffy did...
I'm agree with people saying that they always have been equal and always will be...
Just like Roger and Newgate... But I find that the best example is Shanks and Mihawk... The first is a possible Pirate King, the second is the world best swordsman and their fights were even... The same will be for Luffy and Zoro...
This is because they have the will to be the best at all and the will to never be beaten, so they get stronger and stronger at the same way...
Sanji is strong but lacks the same dream to be the strongest... -
Lol if the same old players come back, this thread is gonna be another one thats about to be closed.
I'll agree that Sanji, without that dream to be the strongest, will probably be behind, even if only less than slightly, Luffy's and Zoro's fighting ability.
However, Luffy with his dream of being Pirate King, will always be one step ahead of Zoro, who aims to be the Greatest Swordsman.
I was convinced when I saw the contented look on Zoro's face when he saw his bounty of 120,000,000 despite Luffy's 300mil. It surely wasn't that of "shoot, why am i still so much lower than Luffy's?".And don't say that "Zoro doesn't care about the number, but care only about the fact that he does have a bounty", because obviously the number does matter to his pride. (you're not a man if you don't understand this)
I don't mean any animosity, i'm just stating what i feel.
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But It's obvious that bounties doesn't mean strength, but they mean "supposed dangerousness" by World Gov.Crocodile for example… His bounty is lower that it should be... And, on the opposite, Robin's bounty is too high if it would mean only power... Her bounty is high because she is considered dangerous due to her translator skills...
And what about Chopper? Don't tell me that his 50 Berry bounty is an expression of his power...
The truth is that World Gov. has an idea on how dangerous a person is, but it doesn't always reflect mere battle power...
Zoro's bounty is a lot lower than Luffy's (and always will be) because, as you said, the role of the Pirate King is a lot more important than the role of the best swordsman... Mihawk himself said it... I't probably that Shanks bounty is a lot higher than Mihawk past bounty even if they fought at equal level in the past...
Luffy is Straw Hats Capitan and this makes him a lot dangeros than any other crew mate... But bounty isn't some sort of power level measure...
