Would you rather he immediately got brave and lost all of his ability for comic releif in most instances or that the humour aspect of his character was faded out slowly while he's bravery came up slowly?
this is an either/or, there is no third option
I guess I'd go with the second option, his bravery improving slowly as his humour slowly faded out.
However, I don't see why Usopp can't become brave while still retaining the comic relief aspect of his character. I mean, without his humourous aspects, is Usopp even Usopp anymore?
Same here. It would be stupid to kill off his humor immediately just because he wants to become brave. Luffy, Zoro, even Shanks are the biggest goof-balls in the series, yet they are also also some of the bravest. However, I would like for Usopp to be more serious once he meets his father (If that happens).
I choose the non-existing third option.
Usopp without humour is not usopp. When he fought Chuu he still had some humorous tricks up his sleeve when he went brave. Such as the rubberband. Usopp can become brave without losing humor.
Personally, I'd like to see Usopp's bravery.
After 400 chapters of a scaredy cat comedy, it got old. Maybe the brave Usopp would be a different kind of comic relief, since we know him as the wimp of the gang. Besides, it could be VERY cool seeing Usopp battle it out fearlessly, like Luffy or Zoro.
Non-comical Usopp brimming with self-confidence isn't Usopp, sorry.
He doesn't have to have the comic relief faded out, nor does he have to not be scared in order to be brave
Here's a quotation I know and love, and it fits Ussopp well:
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain
Even if Ussopp is scared to death, as long as he can bring himself to move forward and fight for his friends, he is acting in a heroic manner. He can keep every bit of the comic relief and still become increasingly brave simply because he continues to face down greater and greater threats without giving ground. Doesn't mean he won't be scared out of his mind while doing it though.
^ Agrees.
I never believed Usopp was comic relief any more than Luffy anyway. They both make me laugh all the time…One Piece is just that kind of story. Even Zoro cracks me up sometimes. You don't have to be lose humor in place of bravery. So my answer would be the non existent third option as well. XD Which is Usopp will always continue to be Usopp - brave and funny. Because your two options are impossible.
ussop w/o humor is just plain pinnochio boy..
he could be brave and funny.. but in this point of the chapter.. I coould say he is turning into a brave person.. by fighting jyabura.. but he just doesn't get the right start with.. I mean.. he was tricked dirtily by jyabura… I think.. if he could pick up the pace.. he could do a thing or 2 to jyabura..
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Second option (EDIT: but just because there's no third option)
I mean, I would like him to have some "snaps" where he goes all brave (like in the end of Mr 4 fight) sometimes, but overall he would still be afraid of things, have "I die if I step on the island diseases" and tries to avoid battles until there's no other options.
Also, even when, over time, he becomes all brave, I hope he is still a lier, telling big farfetched tales of bravery and talking about impossible adventures. Like when he intimidated Mrs. Merry Christmas with his big false hammer.
EDIT: In other words, I want to see Usopp being all Usopp-y when he's with his friends, but when he sees there's no other option but fight, he fights in his own style, using tricks, lies, dirty attacks and ranged shots.
You still think he's going to fight Jyabura? I guess anything is possible with the way things have flipped flopped so much, but I think Sanji will be handling Jabs from here on out. (if he did go back and fight Jyabura I'd just laugh with the way everyone has been flipping out of this whole thing).
We can't predict Oda. We can pretend we can predict him, however.
If Oda wishes it, it will happen. Usopp could very well rise up, claim the fight, and kick Jabura's ass. But I am not counting on it anymore, like CosmicDebris. Once Sanji "tagged" Jabura, it seems like it is Sanji's fight now, or else it will be the turn for Sanji fans to complain…
(But I really wanted to see Usopp defeat Jabura... oh, well...)
But I am certain Usopp will have his moment. I just wish it comes soon.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Well, on that issue, I've been thinking a lot. People wanted Usopp to beat Jyabura, or someone like that, because he needs the confidence to rejoin the crew, right?
Well, the truth of the matter is that nobody ever looked down on him before. They were all happy with Usopp. He just wasn't happy with himself. It's his pride that was wounded.
IF Usopp just defeats someone like Jyabura, then what? would everyone say "hey, you beat a strong guy like us, we know you fough the captain and everything, but why not come back?" The issue runs deeper than that.
In fact, I would say that if he were to defeat someone as Sogeking now, his character wouldn't grow any.
What if instead, Usopp overcomes the enemy that caused all his problems in the first place, FIRST, that his, his pride over the issue and makes amends with Luffy FIRST and THEN he does something awesome? To me that would be a lot more profound…that he would become accepted back just for who he is and then Usopp, as himself, without "earning" it, and then really does something to make himself and everyone else proud. What would make that really good is if Lucci ends up ditching Luffy again for a while before he can finally defeat him.
I think that would be pretty grand. But maybe I'm just too shrouded in philosophical ramblings. XD I just wanted to offer another alternative because I think people are just too caught up in this "Usopp has to do something to get back into the crew" mindset.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
No, I don't think Ussop has to lose his comedic value when he becomes brave at all. Not all of his laughs come from Ussops cowardly nature, there's also his interations with crew, bragging and boasting, coming up with stories, and his lies.
Cosmic, though I often say something like "I want to see Usopp defeat Jabura", this is not just a matter of they fighting and Usopp winning. That would suck.
"If I were going to make it", I would actually make Usopp fall, almost dead, in the middle of the fight. Then while Jabura walks alway, reading towards the next crewmember (maybe a unconscious Chopper or Nami) for the kill, Usopp, in a near-death state, would see the Klabbauterman, who would say that it was Usopp's fear and innaction that allowed the Merry to be destroyed by Kaku, and that, if he his friends need him. Maybe toss some one-pannel flashbacks with powerful quotes that Usopp heard from his crews in the past (like "You are already one of us" by Luffy, or "And then the little liar died, without ever becoming a brave warrior of the sea" by Nami [remember when she was reading Norland's book?]). His spirit boasted, Usopp would rise up, seeing Jabura in the distance, would prepare his traps, and then call the dawn wolf to the fight by sniping him with a Flamebird star. And THEN the true battle would begin, with Usopp winning in the end, and reaffirming to himself that the crew needs him and he is not useless afterall.
Actually, current events would be very good to make such a stories, since Usopp WAS beaten and Nami WAS there (last week I even mentioned that I though "Nami was going to be the reason for Usopp to not run and fight" because of this). Sanji's appearance however, changed everything from what I was kind of expecting to see.
Reading this thread, Usopp fans don't know what they want from him. they want him to fulfill his dream and become a brave warrior of the sea but without the bravery. it seems you all just want to see a strong Usopp which while that's good and dandy that's not what i'm asking.
Whether fearless or having the ability to overcome one's fears, i'm asking if you'd all like to see him act in the face of danger as Luffy, Zoro and Sanji do? it seems to me you don't want that. And then you're saying that unless you can laugh at Usopp, he's not Usopp which is an incredibly crass piece of logic.
Someone up the page said that after 400 chapters, it get a tad tiresome seeing Usopp saying arghhh i can't do that and then for some reason or another he ends up doing it, growth within his character is the ability to put that behind him. To not have to waste a chapter with thought bubbles around his head battling his inner fears.
Of course Usopp can still be humerous after he's conquered his fears, but it's a bit of a character rewrite and the thing that makes him funny is in most cases his interaction with the rest of the crew. Whether it be him and nami trying to fight with Galley-La or him Screaming with Chopper at something or him running away from something. He is the official funny character, when Oda doesn't know what to do he has good old reliable Usopp for us all to laugh at.
I do feel that he'll evolve with this chapter and thus some of his comic releif factor will be distributed by way of Franky. But he's still the major comic releif factor in this series amongst the crew, i.e. he's funny-funny where as Luffy is stupid-funny.
So it comes back to, what Usopp do you want, the one you saw fighting luffy, serious angry face, no desire to make anyone laugh or the fun loving Usopp, everyone's best friend who is enduring his own hardships, going from overgrown kid to a man?
Do you want someone you laugh at or someone you think "omfg that's so fucking cool" i.e. Sanji's hunter moment?
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WHat's your problem, sabret00the?
To me it is you the one who can't understand any concept beyond the "silly Usopp" and the "angry Usopp".
What we Usopp fans want to see is the happy medium of both the funny Usopp and the warrior (see Mr. 4 fight) Usopp. We want to laugh when he is with the crew, and also in his fights, but we also want to have some memorable "DON" scenes that we can just say "that was pretty cool".
And mind you, this is not something we have never seen before. Just re-read Mr. 4 fight. All the essential Usopp that we want to see is there: he has his fears, tries to run alway, gets over his fears, makes a both funny and cool scene with his new Usopp Hammer, then is beaten, and then rise fearless and finish his foes in a pretty cool and memorable scene. Is it to ask so much to have that Usopp back?
(Hell, look at the scene where he shows his Hammer, after pounding Mr. 4's head! That is just a bad-ass scene, even if Usopp is just fooling everyone around trying to appear Bad-ass!)
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Reading this thread, Usopp fans don't know what they want from him. they want him to fulfill his dream and become a brave warrior of the sea but without the bravery. it seems you all just want to see a strong Usopp which while that's good and dandy that's not what i'm asking.
Do you want someone you laugh at or someone you think "omfg that's so fucking cool" i.e. Sanji's hunter moment?
Um…in One Piece we can have both. Sanji is often goofy and humourous when confronted by women, but when he starts fighting he gets serious like that. I say that we can have something like that with Ussop, a lot of his jokes come to think of it don't even spawn from his lack of bravery.
Let's see...the "I-can't-walk-on-the-next-island" disease, his running away in fear, and his asking to have the stronger fighters fight for him. That's all I remember right now.
Edit: Shoot, Deicide sumed it up pretty well.
Personnaly, I want him to be a more balanced character. I don't see where you saw that the Strawhats were all comic relief or all badassery. As of now, there's only two members who don't seem "balanced"; Usopp is all comic relief and Robin is all seriousness. And even a part of Robin's personality can be considered as comic relief, when she's saying stuff about crew members possible gruesome deaths while looking like she couldn't care less.
Now, when you say "would you like him to be like Sanji always fucking cool?" I'm sorry, but Sanji isn't always cool. He looks like a buffoon a lot of the time. It doesn't stop him from kicking ass when he has to though, and that's something like that I'd like Usopp to approach.
That's the point I think, more balance. It's what's character development is all about after all. But the thruth of the matter is, after 400 chapters Usopp hasn't changed much. He's still trying hard when he has too, but he can't make it. Next step for me at least, is him making it. That's all I have to say on the subject.
WHat's your problem, sabret00the?
To me it is you the one who can't understand any concept beyond the "silly Usopp" and the "angry Usopp".
What we Usopp fans want to see is the happy medium of both the funny Usopp and the warrior (see Mr. 4 fight) Usopp. We want to laugh when he is with the crew, and also in his fights, but we also want to have some memorable "DON" scenes that we can just say "that was pretty cool".
And mind you, this is not something we have never seen before. Just re-read Mr. 4 fight. All the essential Usopp that we want to see is there: he has his fears, tries to run alway, gets over his fears, makes a both funny and cool scene with his new Usopp Hammer, then is beaten, and then rise fearless and finish his foes in a pretty cool and memorable scene. Is it to ask so much to have that Usopp back?
(Hell, look at the scene where he shows his Hammer, after pounding Mr. 4's head! That is just a bad-ass scene, even if Usopp is just fooling everyone around trying to appear Bad-ass!)
While what you're saying and is great and all, i truly understand where you're coming from. however it's irrelevant to the thread, a question was asked without the option of a happy medium for all of those who wished they lived in an ideal world and how longs Usopp been a member of the crew? and for all of that, you have one moment which runs against the grain of his MO in which you want him to conform too? Problem, i have none, i'm merely confirming the question in which i asked.
Um…in One Piece we can have both. Sanji is often goofy and humourous when confronted by women, but when he starts fighting he gets serious like that. I say that we can have something like that with Ussop, a lot of his jokes come to think of it don't even spawn from his lack of bravery.
Let's see...the "I-can't-walk-on-the-next-island" disease, his running away in fear, and his asking to have the stronger fighters fight for him. That's all I remember right now.
Edit: Shoot, Deicide sumed it up pretty well.
You're right sanji can be goofy, however it's all circumstancial. Where as Usopp is the comic releif no matter what, it's like trying the "Usopp-spell" on Enel, a brave Usopp would never try that, any brave fighter would actually just fight instead of trying ploys, there's little to be said, a warrior knows a picture of victory paints a 1000 words.
Personnaly, I want him to be a more balanced character. I don't see where you saw that the Strawhats were all comic relief or all badassery. As of now, there's only two members who don't seem "balanced"; Usopp is all comic relief and Robin is all seriousness. And even a part of Robin's personality can be considered as comic relief, when she's saying stuff about crew members possible gruesome deaths while looking like she couldn't care less.
I think the point remains in which i'm asking what Usopp fans see as the lesser of two evils. I'm not Oda, i'm sure Oda don't read these boards and isn't about to adapt to the users desires, i'm merely asking the question.
Now, when you say "would you like him to be like Sanji always fucking cool?" I'm sorry, but Sanji isn't always cool. He looks like a buffoon a lot of the time. It doesn't stop him from kicking ass when he has to though, and that's something like that I'd like Usopp to approach.
Huh? i said that? not sure about that.
That's the point I think, more balance. It's what's character development is all about after all. But the thruth of the matter is, after 400 chapters Usopp hasn't changed much. He's still trying hard when he has too, but he can't make it. Next step for me at least, is him making it. That's all I have to say on the subject.
against wanting balance isn't ever a bad idea, i would like more balance in Sanji's liason with women, however i'm not about to hold my breath and balance was never a part of the question or the offered answers.
Think of it like a Ballot.
While what you're saying and is great and all, i truly understand where you're coming from. however it's irrelevant to the thread, a question was asked without the option of a happy medium for all of those who wished they lived in an ideal world and how longs Usopp been a member of the crew? and for all of that, you have one moment which runs against the grain of his MO in which you want him to conform too? Problem, i have none, i'm merely confirming the question in which i asked.
Then you really have a problem, because you not only have a very strict view of what Usopp is, but also tries to force others into your view by forcing their choices and saying: "what do you choose, my way of viewing things or this other, rather uncool way that is totally against what the character is?"
I'm sorry, but I think almost no one here will agree to you, and if you wanna force people to agree, than you are going to be very disappointed.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
You're right sanji can be goofy, however it's all circumstancial. Where as Usopp is the comic releif no matter what, it's like trying the "Usopp-spell" on Enel, a brave Usopp would never try that, any brave fighter would actually just fight instead of trying ploys, there's little to be said, a warrior knows a picture of victory paints a 1000 words.
I hate how arguing never gets anywhere on this board. Look at Ussop's fights against Mr. 4, the end part. That is Ussop being serious and cool, yet eariler he still had his comedy fighting bits. That, I think, is the balance between serious and funny Ussop.
Plus, some of his funny moves work pretty well, like Ussop rubberband and Ussop Pounder.
I hate how arguing never gets anywhere on this board.
Dude, welcome to the internet. I've been browsing various message boards for a little bit more than two years now, I've yet to see someone concede defeat in an online debate. It's like people are playing their lives over "WHO WOUD WIN INA FIGHT BRUCE LEE OR MIKE TYSON LOL".
While what you're saying and is great and all, i truly understand where you're coming from. however it's irrelevant to the thread, a question was asked without the option of a happy medium for all of those who wished they lived in an ideal world and how longs Usopp been a member of the crew? and for all of that, you have one moment which runs against the grain of his MO in which you want him to conform too? Problem, i have none, i'm merely confirming the question in which i asked.
Not one moment. He's always been brave when the situation needed it. He fought Chuu, didn't he? He went up with Sanji against Enel, to save Nami, even though he knew he didn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell, didn't he? Don't say unfounded things, please.
You're right sanji can be goofy, however it's all circumstancial. Where as Usopp is the comic releif no matter what, it's like trying the "Usopp-spell" on Enel, a brave Usopp would never try that, any brave fighter would actually just fight instead of trying ploys, there's little to be said, a warrior knows a picture of victory paints a 1000 words.
Umm… what? No, bravery is not like that. Bravery is not all manly-brawn and combat. Bravery is standing up to something you fear. Usopp knew anything he would do couldn't hurt Enel, so he tried tricks to stall for time until Sanji finished his job and they could escape with Nami. How was that not brave?
I think the point remains in which i'm asking what Usopp fans see as the lesser of two evils. I'm not Oda, i'm sure Oda don't read these boards and isn't about to adapt to the users desires, i'm merely asking the question.
And that didn't even make sense. Sure, Oda doesn't view these boards, but neither does he listen to you, therefore you can't say that the options you've given are the only ones he can do.
Huh? i said that? not sure about that.
No, you didn't.
against wanting balance isn't ever a bad idea, i would like more balance in Sanji's liason with women, however i'm not about to hold my breath and balance was never a part of the question or the offered answers.
Think of it like a Ballot.
And ballots are stupid anyway, so I have no idea why you would be trying to emulate them.
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Originally Posted by Kokolores
You can't compare Franky with someone who destroyed a country in passing
It was Wapol's country. Kuro could probably do that.
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Originally Posted by WarcoW
Well compared to Zoro who was basically just parrying blows with Kaku and hasn't been hit yet, Sanji has been Rankyakued, kicked in the nuts, shiganed, Rankyakued in the nuts, turned into a bubble, crashed through a few floors and had a giant bathtub fall on his head.....yea thats pretty bad.
Kitty cat… Let me say one thing.
You say that Sanji being goofy is circumstantial, but so is Usopp being as such. Chuu, Merrychristmas, LUFFY -- Usopp has fought some foes he wouldn't want to fight under any circumstances. Just because Sanji seems to have more of a "cultured" air about him does not make his speeches any less awesome than Usopp's, I believe.
I think part of Usopp's challenge is the difficulty of quantifying his goal. When Zoro impales Mihawk, his goal is met. When Robin reads the Poneglyph and it says "Sengoku ate our babies and his goat ate our women", her goal is met. Usopp's success as a warrior can only be defined by personal standards, which we haven't gotten much insight onto.
In a way, comical cowardice is somewhat of an ace up his sleeve. Early rounds of the fights tend to go poorly, so why not skip them out as Coward!Usopp then come in as Badass!Usopp or Sogeking and mop up?
Finally, I don't want to lose Usopp's comical cowardice at all. It would be too much of a loss, like post-Arlong Nami becoming charitable.
Choices. What poor choices. It's kinda amusing how you're playing God and suddenly these are the only two ways for Usopp to develop (OMG NO THIRD OPTION don't even begin to think that there might be an alternative!! or you will explode!! :ninja: ).
So it comes back to, what Usopp do you want, the one you saw fighting luffy, serious angry face, no desire to make anyone laugh or the fun loving Usopp, everyone's best friend who is enduring his own hardships, going from overgrown kid to a man?
Again, poor choices.
Do you want someone you laugh at or someone you think "omfg that's so fucking cool" i.e. Sanji's hunter moment?
Ok, Sanji is a poor choice of an example here, considering his downfall is women. His last two 'fights' involved him refusing to fight girls, and even him making cat calls to what he knew was an shape-shifting okama.
And for the record, I would rather Usopp become brave. I don't recall ever laughing my ass off when he running away in shame.
 
Reading this thread, Usopp fans don't know what they want from him.
No, the only problem here is that you just do not like Usopp and you want him to be a different character, and therefore assume in your egotism that all other people must think the same way and want what you want. But fact is most of us Usopp fans have been Usopp fans for a long time and don't really want anything out of him other than what we already expect.
Whether fearless or having the ability to overcome one's fears, i'm asking if you'd all like to see him act in the face of danger as Luffy, Zoro and Sanji do? it seems to me you don't want that. And then you're saying that unless you can laugh at Usopp, he's not Usopp which is an incredibly crass piece of logic.
How is that crass logic? I wouldn't be happy if I couldn't laugh at Luffy anymore either. That would require a complete change in the character and the writing style of One Piece. And I like One Piece and the characters for what they are. Usopp has grown quite a bit as a character since the beginning, especially compared to the other characters who have remained mostly static. Which is why I wonder why you keep bringing this up about Usopp when the other characters still fall into the same silly antics since the beginning.
I think after this arc we're going to see a lot of the stale jokes disappear (haven't seen any since Skypiea honestly) and a newer side to his character, but I don't think Usopp as we know it is going to vanish and replaced by a new character. That just doesn't happen in One Piece. It usually doesn't happen in any ongoing story because it's just a bad idea to do that to your audience and it usually has a bad effect.
So it comes back to, what Usopp do you want, the one you saw fighting luffy, serious angry face, no desire to make anyone laugh or the fun loving Usopp, everyone's best friend who is enduring his own hardships, going from overgrown kid to a man?
This is puzzling question because the first one is incidental and the second one is permenant. 
And the latter was already true.
Do you want someone you laugh at or someone you think "omfg that's so fucking cool" i.e. Sanji's hunter moment?
You can't seperate the two in One Piece. I laugh at Sanji all the time because of his goofball women antics. I laugh at Luffy all the time because he's a simple, impulsive fool. I laugh at Chopper for his cute innocence. I laugh at Zoro for bad sense of direction, tendency to sleep through anything, and his frequent lashing out of annoyance. I laugh at Nami for her money grubbing and prima donna attitude. The only character who I don't laugh at is Robin, actually. Probably why she is my least favorite character.
Again, really the issue here is that you have a black and white, either or mentality that is irrelevent.
The thing is…
1. Usopp is already brave >=|
2. Throughout the entire adventure, Usopp has already grown to become a very courageous person. Has he lost any of his comic personality? I dont think so. Being dynamic doesnt mean you have to sacrifice attributes you already have. That's just completely ridiculous. No effing way would Oda be crazy enough to do that. No matter how much Usopp will change throughout the course of One Piece, he will always stay Usopp.
EDIT: PS, nicely said Cosmic =p
The problem with your reasoning, sabret00the, is that you think Ussop isn't brave. He is as brave as the rest of the crew, and more brave than most people realize. In fact, he has been the closest to achieving his dream than the rest of the Strawhats - the only problem is that he doesn't realize it.
Ussop has a set belief on what bravery means. He sees it as being totally fearless, the same ideal to which you subscribe. He looks up to his father and how he was able to set sail and take on his opponents without any hesistation. He doesn't realize that his ideal is not suited for him, and try as he might, he will never reach that type of bravery. Much like the Lion in the Wizard of Oz, he has the courage inside him all along, but fails to see it because it doesn't match with what he has in mind.
Which brings me to the answer to your question - neither. No matter what he does, even by defeating stronger opponents, Ussop will never see himself as getting braver. He is too hard on himself. He set up such a high target that even he cannot hit. Even if he fought Jyabura and won, he wouldn't consider himself any more brave than before because he knew how frightened he was when he first saw him, and that initial fear will prevent him from thinking otherwise. Ussop is still uncomfortable with who he is because he wants to be something he will never become, and no matter who he faces and what obstacles he overcomes, he will always think that way.
The point of Ussop's conflict is not to become braver, but to realize that his opinion on bravery is incorrect. He has to realize that he can be both afraid and brave at the same time. His past fights have shown this to the readers, but not to himself. His ideal is preventing him from seeing that, which is why it's such a challenge for him. He IS the brave warrior of the sea that he wants to be, but until he can see the true meaning of bravery he will never know it.
That's what makes his character so interesting. He doesn't need to change his personality like he thinks he does. Doing that would ruin what makes him both comedic and heroic. Unlike the other Strawhats, his conflict is the most internal. The only thing he needs to change is his mentality, and even when he does, he will still be the same scared and brave Ussop that we all know, but this time he will know it as well.
I've always thought Usopp will end up like the Cowardly Lion from the Wizard of Oz. He can realize that he's been brave the whole time, that it is more brave to do something you're afraid of than to not be afraid of anything at all. In truth, I would rather that Usopp never changed at all - and I'm an Usopp fan.
Yeah, he is kind of like the cowardly lion. XD
I don't expect any huge shift in Usopp's personality at least until the very end.
I was thinking today, if I was talking to someone who didn't know One Piece and they asked me why Usopp is my favorite character, the simple answer would be that he's the weakest and most flawed one. Kids don't understand that, but people my age and beyond, particularly those a lot older understand that immediately. It's the same reason why most people like the apostle Peter in the gospels so much. Because he is us.
I hope he finishes the fight with his cowardice still in tact but not to the point where he'll run away or beg Zoro or Sanji to fight for him (mind you, I'm not saying that that's what happened the last chapter). I want him to be a confident coward who is ultimately reliable in a fight, no matter how scared he gets in the process (think Chopper). I don't want him to ever reach the top-tier of the Strawhats but he should at least have the fighting spirit of Enies Lobby Nami. And by the way, winning a fight would never come at the expense of his comical personality. Franky's just as goofy and we all know how strong he is.
Reading this thread, Usopp fans don't know what they want from him. they want him to fulfill his dream and become a brave warrior of the sea but without the bravery. it seems you all just want to see a strong Usopp which while that's good and dandy that's not what i'm asking.
To not be such a bitch. Now he can act likea bitch all he wants, but when push comes to shove, even if he loses, don't be a bitch about it.
Seems that Sanji is one of the "badass" chars for you.
Wasn't the Sanji fight with Mr2 humorous at times? Hell yes. Even made Sanji look like a retard at specific moments.
All the points have been kinda brought tho, nothin new to add (And I don't care to do so 
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I've always thought Usopp will end up like the Cowardly Lion from the Wizard of Oz. He can realize that he's been brave the whole time, that it is more brave to do something you're afraid of than to not be afraid of anything at all. In truth, I would rather that Usopp never changed at all - and I'm an Usopp fan.
Mmm.. wow, you are so right! I've never realized this but Usopp HAS always been a very brave person. He has stood back up after being beaten to a pulp millions of times already. Unlike Chopper, who has been very dependant of others up til Skypiea, Usopp never really hesitated to take on the biggest of enemies. When I realize that, wow, Usopp just becomes a truely brave and heroic character.
I love how COWMAKAZE's post is the sparknotes of my long-winded post above his.
I love how COWMAKAZE's post is the sparknotes of my long-winded post above his.
lol, tough luck. Ever wonder why so many kids use sparknotes? =p I really liked COWMAKAZE's analogy tho.
Usopp never really hesitated to take on the biggest of enemies. When I realize that, wow, Usopp just becomes a truely brave and heroic character.
Actually, he hesitates all the time.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
I really liked COWMAKAZE's analogy tho
You didn't read my post at all, did you? :sad:
Actually, he hesitates all the time.
I have to disagree with you here. In Water 7, he did not show any fear in challenging the Franky Family or Luffy. It's more of 'what's on the line' rather than how big the enemy is. That goes all the way back to the Kuro arc.
 
@Cap'n:
Actually, he hesitates all the time.
You're right in some ways, he does hesitate. I guess i was just forgot that after seeing the way he confronted Jyabura in the latest chapter.
anothrnobdy, I did read your post =p dont take things personally.
I have to disagree with you here. In Water 7, he did not show any fear in challenging the Franky Family or Luffy. It's more of 'what's on the line' rather than how big the enemy is. That goes all the way back to the Kuro arc.
Chuu, Mr. 4/Miss Merrychristmas, etc. Sure he eventually fights, but he has to be pushed into it.
Chuu, Mr. 4/Miss Merrychristmas, etc. Sure he eventually fights, but he has to be pushed into it.
Those fights sure, but when Kaya was in immediate danger/his father's honor was discraced by Kuro/Luffy's honor was discraced by Xmas/the money was stolen/the Going Merry was at stake, did he not seek out his opponents? Like I mentioned earlier, it's not the size of the opponent, but what is immediately at stake in the fight.
I love how COWMAKAZE's post is the sparknotes of my long-winded post above his.
I'm sorry, I honestly didn't realize. I only read the first page of this when I decided to post what I had always thought. Once again, very sorry if it seemed like I copied you.
Oh please, I'm not mad. I just thought it was funny that what took me a good 10 minutes to type up and explain, you easily summed it up in three sentences. Of course, we both had the Cowardly Lion references as well. You know what they say - great minds think alike. :happy:
Usopp's development in this arc has been tremendous.
I mean, he had the courage to stand up to his friends and braved out the fight even if he lost.
Imagine the Usopp in the beginning who's ideal was "to hide." He's definately changed.
A lot of us wants to see more of that change by seeing Usopp fight a magnificently strong character. That would be the author-pleasing-fans point of view, but he has to account other things.
Usopp needs to get rid of the mask somehow and accept who he is that is more meaningful than "OMG I BEAT THIS GUY, IN YOUR FACE, I OWN". Maybe strive to be better.
However, Sanji needs improvement. Even though I don't like him too much, I believe it's time for him to show some development. He's a cook, his dream is to find some holy land for cooks. We have seen no development of that. We watch his fights, but since he left the baratie, he has not improved.
Luffy figured out how to go from Gomu Gomu Pistol to Gomu Gomu Gattling Gun (Alliteration ftw) to the gears.
Zoro has figured out how to cut stronger things.
Usopp is clear, he went from a couple shots to a highly strategized fighting plans, clearly shown in the Luffy vs Usopp battle.
Nami went from staff wielder to like, weather master/elemental attacks.
Chopper, he's brave enough to fight and help out. He has a 3rd Rumble ball mode and in this arc, it is shown he does have room for improvement.
Robin and Sanji hasn't done much. Robin has had no major battle (less you count the one in the Skypiea arc).
Sanji has shown no new skills since leaving the Baratie. His Mr. 2 fight showed absolutely nothing but a little more of his skill range, all he did was kick down a disabled person in Skypiea. Sanji needs a battle to show that he improves, if not, at the very least, a fight to reassure he has not fallen behind the rest of the Strawhats.
