Since Luffy knows sori, woulden't it be cool of Sanji lears rankyaku? But all his atacks have food-names, so maby he should rename it.
Rankyaku for sanji
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There was always a possibility of him learning it, I'm not gonna lie. But he doesn't really have an oppurtunity to learn and apply it, and renaming it is a little weird.
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I think he could begin to learn how to do it after Enies LObby, and then his opponent in the next arc he'd finally master it.
I still say Robin should learn Shigan.
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Have you guys ever seen the SHs pick up any other villains' tricks??
What's next: Zoro learns tekkai?
Chopper learns geppou?
Usopp learns kami-e?
And Luffy didn't actually learn how to DO soru, he learned how to keep up with it in his own way.
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I always thought Usopp could learn Kami-e. He's got the perfect body build for it. If anyone's gonna learn a Rokushiki attack it'll be Sanji. I find it unlikely, but it would get him closer to Zoro.
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Lol, Usopp learning Kami-e would be fun as hell. But I doubt it would ever happen.
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Usopp should learn how to shigan with his nose.
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@IT'S:
Have you guys ever seen the SHs pick up any other villains' tricks??
What's next: Zoro learns tekkai?
Chopper learns geppou?
Usopp learns kami-e?
And Luffy didn't actually learn how to DO soru, he learned how to keep up with it in his own way.No, that was Soru. Re-read Blueno's lines.
Sanji's far from the strongest, but he's an amazing martial artist. I dunno how likely or cool it'd be, but it's possible.
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We've seen that Sanji has his own Soru already just like Luffy, with his mentor being the best foot specialist martial artist the grandline has ever seen, i'll bet my bottom dollar that Sanji has his own version of the Rankakyu, it will even promote some dialogue.
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Lol, Usopp learning Kami-e would be fun as hell. But I doubt it would ever happen.
Dials on the feet would be a fun way to scare CP9 into thinking he learned it
And I'm digging through French websites looking for an attack combination that sounds like 'rankyaku'
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very unlikely… not to many "k"s and "ya" in french...
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Dials on the feet would be a fun way to scare CP9 into thinking he learned it
And I'm digging through French websites looking for an attack combination that sounds like 'rankyaku'
There's no french word, especially related to food and cuisine, that sounds like rankyaku, sorry.
The closest I could think of is "en-cas", which means snack, but that's still far from rankyaku.
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If we are talking about the SHs learning Rokushiki skills, don't you think that Luffy's gomu gomu no buhaaa (when he shutted down his mind so that Enel won't know what he's doing, but he couldn't attack in that state) looks an awafuly lot like kami-e?
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If we are talking about the SHs learning Rokushiki skills, don't you think that Luffy's gomu gomu no buhaaa (when he shutted down his mind so that Enel won't know what he's doing, but he couldn't attack in that state) looks an awafuly lot like kami-e?
It serves the same basic purpose.Thank you for reminding us of that. Yeah, it's basically the same as kami-e, with a few minor differences. Luffy achieved the same result (a completely limp body that evades all attacks) with his rubber body and shutting down his mind, while CP9 had to train their completely human bodies to do the same thing and they stay fully conscious while using the technique.
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whatever discussion is going on here…
i vote for Sanji to learn rankyaku!!
i mean... its ridiculous how they can watch and overcome their enemies' moves and not LEARN A DAM THING =/
its not like they cant understand the mechanics behind the moves
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It supposedly takes a life time to learn Rokushiki, so only one skill would take months if not years to master. Sure there's Luffy, but he used a bastardized version of soru more than the real deal, and he was helped by the fact he was in Gear 2.
I'm not sure I'd like the Strawhats learning rankyaku, kami-e or whatever. Would feel DBZish, again.
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I'm actaully going for the possibility that Sanji and Zoro will use moves that beat and surpass the roushiki. Plus, learning an enemies move has been done in many shounen anime before, and One Piece is no different. It has often used used and improved on the cliches.
Robin learning shigan? Sounds cool, but I don't know where she'd have the time to learn it. Unless she's studied it while learning her "assassin" trade.
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The easiest thing for Sanji to do is tie two of Zoro's katanas into his feet and start kickin around.
TADA! Riankyaku!
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Cutting wind… that's what a Rankyaku is, isn't it? Zoro do something like this with his "36 pound cannon". I think in some way his sword techniques work like Rankyakus...
Franky uses Tekkai in a special way. His front body is made of steel. ^^
So, I think the Strawhats have their own variations of the CP9 techniques... they won't copy Rokushiki itself, but they'll achieve new attacks which work in a similar way, like Zoro's distance cutting, Franky's steelbody and Luffy's Gear.
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I think I'd nearly prefer to see him learn Geppou if he was to learn anything from them. It'd really make his fights so much more cooler in my opinion
Plus, I don't know if it was just the anime only, but when he's kicking out at Blueno on the sea train just as Blueno is disappearing through his air door for the final time, it nearly looks and sounds like he's close to doing a ryankyaku like move on his own.
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I'd rather Sanji learn geppou.
Just my opinion.
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I think Sanji do not need to learn anything from Rokushiki.
When I first read about Red Leg Zeff, I got images of Zeff climb walls by running over them, leaving footprints, or just kicking air to release a powerful shockwave at short distances (not cutting power like Rankyaku, but bludgeoning power that strikes a large area and throws people around like an explosion).
I wanna see Sanji do things like those, not copy CP9's techniques.
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Use wall climbing for stealth and evasion? Sounds nifty. As I recall, Zeff put out Pearl's Flaming Pearl attack with a gust of wind genereated by kicking with his peg leg. It didn't even look like he was trying hard. I could imagine a concussive blast wave-at close to mid-range, but not more than three feet away. Pretty cool ideas, Deicide.
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Thanks!
I've had these concepts since Sanji and Zeff were introduced. I was actually expecting that Sanji was going to defeat Calipha by using the "air wave" to throw her alway and dissipate her attacks, so that he would not need to even touch her. Of course I was wrong, but I still want to see Sanji pull some of these tricks.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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**When you become super-strong those skills naturally appear. Lets use Mihawk for example. We know he is much more powerful than zoro is right now. Naturally his normal speed can easily surpass a soru from CP9. I am certain that his muscles are harder than steel. I'm pretty sure he has an attack where he cuts the air, even T-Bone had one.
Someone of his caliber (physiccaly) can do any of them with out training specificilly for them.
and in my opinion Zeff right now can take on CP9 by himself. /I seriously doubt losing a leg weakned him soo much. By the looks of it he could defeat Krieg and his entire crew while cooking dinner.**
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Zoro having Tekkai would loose part of his character (the copious blood loss part)
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If Sanji learned the move Zeff used to put Pearl attack out then Sanji will have a stronger attack then a Rankyaku
This because the attack Zeff use didn't seem to be a 100% strenght more like a 5% strenght
A new "menu" might be in the way of Jabura
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If Sanji learned the move Zeff used to put Pearl attack out then Sanji will have a stronger attack then a Rankyaku
This because the attack Zeff use didn't seem to be a 100% strenght more like a 5% strenght
A new "menu" might be in the way of Jabura
It wasn't a move. It was just him kicking, it was a noormal kick. All the physical strawhats can easily generate that kind of wind.
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It wasn't a move. It was just him kicking, it was a noormal kick. All the physical strawhats can easily generate that kind of wind.
A normal Kick is a move just not a Special move
Probably Luffy and zoro could replicate that kinda of wind
But still as I refered in my last post I think Zeff only used a small amount of strenght so a full strenght could propbably break a huge hole in a wall or even put a enemy out of order
But since CP9 have Tekkai that might be the key of Sanji breaking it by creating a new "dish" that evolves the full strenght of Kick
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A normal Kick is a move just not a Special move
Probably Luffy and zoro could replicate that kinda of wind
But still as I refered in my last post I think Zeff only used a small amount of strenght so a full strenght could propbably break a huge hole in a wall or even put a enemy out of order
But since CP9 have Tekkai that might be the key of Sanji breaking it by creating a new "dish" that evolves the full strenght of Kick
**I get what your saying, but I'm saying that luffy and the others can easily generate that kind of wind. I also agree on what your saying.
But really I'm sure that Rokushiki are just basic skills for people on league with the great pirates.
Soru - It's certain they move that fast
Tekkai - There muscles and skin are no doubt tat hard.
Kamie e - Simply dodgong.
Rankyaku - I'm certain they can all do it, but not neccarily with feet.
shigan - most probaley don't do exactly the same, but most likley could
geppou - I'm sure t's been used, just not to run on the air completley.** -
We've seen that Sanji has his own Soru already just like Luffy, with his mentor being the best foot specialist martial artist the grandline has ever seen, i'll bet my bottom dollar that Sanji has his own version of the Rankakyu, it will even promote some dialogue.
Was Zeff actually that strong? He survived the Grandline for about one year which isn't necessarily a great thing. And he wasn't even known well enough to be hunted down after he returned to the East Blue.
Imagine Luffy leaving grandline: With the trouble he caused, the WG definitely won't allow him build a restaurant-ship where he can live in peace x_x; Instead, they will follow him everywhere, hunt him down and decapitate him O_O;
Zeff was definitely strong. Maybe even the strongest pirate of the East Blue. But Luffy was already "east blues strongest" with a bounty of 30 million berry.
I really doubt that Zeff was the best foot specialist the grandline has ever seen. Most likely he even was only mediocre, compared to more advanced enemies like Kaku or others.
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to stick to a certain group of people, principle, ideal, etc. for an extended period of time just to jump off due to an ulterior motif at the very last, frickin moment.
1\. I left my wife for you! Now don't pull a Vivi on me!
2\. I've got to pull a Vivi: No more beer for me…
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Was Zeff actually that strong? He survived the Grandline for about one year which isn't necessarily a great thing. And he wasn't even known well enough to be hunted down after he returned to the East Blue.
We know he was strong enoughf to make Krieg say he was strong. I believe Krieg even admitted he would lose if Zeff had both legs. And I don't believe the leg loss weakned him at all.
Imagine Luffy leaving grandline: With the trouble he caused, the WG definitely won't allow him build a restaurant-ship where he can live in peace x_x; Instead, they will follow him everywhere, hunt him down and decapitate him O_O;
I doubt luffy is so great a pirate that everyone would reconize him by his face. I'm sure they would be happy to let someone of luffys caliber "retire". and besides I doubt many knew he was THE zeff in the first place. And why would the WG spend so many resources in order to get a seemingly reformed pirate?
Zeff was definitely strong. Maybe even the strongest pirate of the East Blue. But Luffy was already "east blues strongest" with a bounty of 30 million berry.
Exept Zeff wasn't exactly a pirate then. I'm sure he could hve had owned Krieg and arlong for supper. And sanji seemed pretty confident ion his ablities.
I really doubt that Zeff was the best foot specialist the grandline has ever seen. Most likely he even was only mediocre, compared to more advanced enemies like Kaku or others.
Why? I'm sure he can defeat Kaku right now. And yes being in the grand line for a year is a great accomplisment i indeed a great feat. Luffy has been there for under 6 months for sure and look how much stronger he has gotten.
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Zeff seemed to be a very powerful character in his age. From the little we saw of him, he seemed to be more in control, be more calm and self-controlled than Sanji is. I may just be over-analyzing it, but he was said to "leave footprints on steel". Sanji seems to be able to break steel, but if Zeff could put his footprints, it seems to be a much more precise and powerful technique than Sanji's.
I don't think Sanji surpassed Zeff yet. I think sooner or later Sanji will have some memory or small flashback during a very hard fight and try to really surpass his master.
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Was Zeff actually that strong? He survived the Grandline for about one year which isn't necessarily a great thing. And he wasn't even known well enough to be hunted down after he returned to the East Blue.
Imagine Luffy leaving grandline: With the trouble he caused, the WG definitely won't allow him build a restaurant-ship where he can live in peace x_x; Instead, they will follow him everywhere, hunt him down and decapitate him O_O;
I really doubt that Zeff was the best foot specialist the grandline has ever seen. Most likely he even was only mediocre, compared to more advanced enemies like Kaku or others.
I don't think Zeff is originally from East Blue
Zeff was in the GrandLine for more then a year (this only was Pirate Captain maybe he had been there before was chef in a pirate ship)
About Luffy your right but Luffy already caused bigger troubles that most pirates even WhiteBeard didn't make the amount of damage Luffy is making
Even Krieg knew about the legendary Blood Foot Zeff
I think Zeff wasn't hunted down because he retired from the Pirate business after losing his leg so the Marine or W.G. might not even know that he's alive or think that he's not really a threat now
Also remember Zeff main is cooking the fighting is a plus
But I think he might be one of the Best Kicking specialist only to be surpassed by Sanji :biggrin:
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I'd still like to see Sanji pull a "knee to the groin" attack on an enemy that he doesn't feel like wasting time on. Spandam comes to mind immediately. En-cas, or 'snack', would be a good name for it, too. Thanks Aldrich.
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Sanji learn rankyaku? Puh…he doesn't need that! Rankyaku is just a technique CP9-ers seem to shoot out when they want to keep some distance. Plus IMO, Sanji's normal kicks are a lot more powerful than rankyaku. Luffy already deflected Blueno's rankyaku with his own foot before he went gear 2. And I think Sanji is a lot better at kicking than Luffy. I've always felt roukshiki moves are rather pointless in a one on one fight against a high caliber opponent. They are assassin techniques, and are most effective when catching someone by surprise.
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Remember, Ryankyaku is just kicking fast enough so that you make air cuts (like Zoro or T-bone), and Sanji already likely to have been fast enough already to perform such a manuver, but probably already knows an inherant weakness about it. Or already has something awesome that encorperates it.
As far as Soru is concerned, he's already fast enough to have surprised Kalifa (remember, she was all like "So Fast!" when they were fighting), so it's already very, very possible he already has that kind of capability.
For Geppou, I wouldn't count on it, Sanji doesn't look like the type to have that level of finese since most of his current combat skills involve violently kicking someone somewhere. His current jump height is, well, ridiculously high already anyway.
And yeah, I still think there's more to the "Red Leg" nickname that just bloodying up his opponents. There has to be some kind of special move that earned Zeff that name. "Akai Ashi no Shiken Ougi" anyone?
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For Geppou, I wouldn't count on it, Sanji doesn't look like the type to have that level of finese since most of his current combat skills involve violently kicking someone somewhere. His current jump height is, well, ridiculously high already anyway.
Sanji has plenty of finesse. Most of his fights shows that, with some nice dodges and blocks… and heck, he's generally all around skillful with his stuff. Party Table Kick Course, anybody?
Not that it matters for geppou anyway. All geppou is is a powerful jump, with such power in the leg that you jump off the air. Not much finesse there, just power.
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Zeff was in the GrandLine for more then a year (this only was Pirate Captain maybe he had been there before was chef in a pirate ship)
About Luffy your right but Luffy already caused bigger troubles that most pirates even WhiteBeard didn't make the amount of damage Luffy is making
Even Krieg knew about the legendary Blood Foot Zeff
I think Zeff wasn't hunted down because he retired from the Pirate business after losing his leg so the Marine or W.G. might not even know that he's alive or think that he's not really a threat now
Also remember Zeff main is cooking the fighting is a plus
But I think he might be one of the Best Kicking specialist only to be surpassed by Sanji :biggrin:
Zeff was the captain of the cooking pirates or something like that. His jolly roger had a knife & fork.
Do you know what damage have Whitebeard done, so that you could compare his damage report to Luffy's?
And I they did say that Sanji couldn't beat Zeff, so Sanji, as far as we know, had not surpassed Zeff. Yet.
Otaku-isticly simple.
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Was Zeff actually that strong? He survived the Grandline for about one year which isn't necessarily a great thing. And he wasn't even known well enough to be hunted down after he returned to the East Blue.
Imagine Luffy leaving grandline: With the trouble he caused, the WG definitely won't allow him build a restaurant-ship where he can live in peace x_x; Instead, they will follow him everywhere, hunt him down and decapitate him O_O;
Zeff was definitely strong. Maybe even the strongest pirate of the East Blue. But Luffy was already "east blues strongest" with a bounty of 30 million berry.
I really doubt that Zeff was the best foot specialist the grandline has ever seen. Most likely he even was only mediocre, compared to more advanced enemies like Kaku or others.
Zeff and his crew was measured akin to the strength of the great pirates i.e. Shanks's crew (can someone confirm this, it was a long time ago). i think you're doing his an incredible disservice by underestimating him. besides he was no longer a pirate and hadn't been for an incredibly long time by the time Luffy get his stripes.
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Once pirates settle down and stop causing trouble, the Marines are willing to make deals with them like the Shichibukai to leave them alone if they'll provide some kind of service (community service most likely) like Tom did. I really believe Zeff probably has that kind of a deal with the Marines, maybe feed them for free or something.
Anyway you really are underestimating Zeff, the man was crazy strong, at least as strong as Luffy defeating Shichibukai mode, if not Shanks strong.
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Zeff survived the Grand Line for one year. It is more than the time the Strawhats have currently spent there, if you think about it.
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I have a feeling sometime in the future, when Sanji feels he has surpassed Zeff, an enemy will ask for his name and Sanji will respond "The Red Leg" (Much like Mr. Prince)…
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Zeff was the captain of the cooking pirates or something like that. His jolly roger had a knife & fork.
Do you know what damage have Whitebeard done, so that you could compare his damage report to Luffy's?
And I they did say that Sanji couldn't beat Zeff, so Sanji, as far as we know, had not surpassed Zeff. Yet.
Yes I know about Zeff being the Captain of a pirate ship but there no reference to them being all cooks as far as I know (Zeff as a cook could have served before in another ship, just like Buggy or Shanks did when they're younger)
The fact that it was said that no one ever attacked a W.G. structure like Enies Lobby before, points to the fact that Luffy is doing more damage that WhiteBeard
As Sanji surpassing Zeff I was talking about the future
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Yes I know about Zeff being the Captain of a pirate ship but there no reference to them being all cooks as far as I know (Zeff as a cook could have served before in another ship, just like Buggy or Shanks did when they're younger)
The fact that it was said that no one ever attacked a W.G. structure like Enies Lobby before, points to the fact that Luffy is doing more damage that WhiteBeard
As Sanji surpassing Zeff I was talking about the future
Given the fact that everyone laughed at Sanji's dream, i have a feeling that they weren't all chef's upon Zeff's ship, but then again, Sanji's own head chef laughed at the idea of All Blue.
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Not sure if I want Sanji to learn Rankyaku, but I can see something like this happening. Sanji sees either Jabura (more likely) or Kaku do a rankyaku and cause some damage, and then he gets to thinking mid-battle about a new set of kick techniques that can break or surpass tekkai, and voila, he comes up with some new kicks that totally rock and are better than rankyaku
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Not sure if I want Sanji to learn Rankyaku, but I can see something like this happening. Sanji sees either Jabura (more likely) or Kaku do a rankyaku and cause some damage, and then he gets to thinking mid-battle about a new set of kick techniques that can break or surpass tekkai, and voila, he comes up with some new kicks that totally rock and are better than rankyaku
he's already seen the techniques so he's had time to think, and let's be honest, his downfall with Aokiji was down to the fact that he needed to make contact, if he can someone remove the nessessity for contact he can protect his nakama. that must've been going through his head till now, after all, he seems to be the only one who foresaw Robin's actions (so to speak), i beleive just like Luffy, he took the loss's of this arc, right from Long Ridge Island to heart and will improve in a bit to secure a future, together!
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OH!!!! :ohmy: my bad!!!
I didn't realize he already saw Rankyaku, but like you said, he's probably been thinking of some new techniques, especially since his concasse (sp) didn't work on Blueno, i'm sure he's ready to try something beyond that caliber attack… can't wait!!!
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Rember that attacks that use the air to attack like 35 pound cannon is ALWAYS goinng to be weaker than a full contact attack.
