Zoro's Evil-Looks

[sgamer82]

I just had a random thought just now. At least three times this story arc Zoro has been seen with a rather evil expression on his face.

First when the drawbridge was lowering (as pointed out by Nami)
When he first confronted Kaku ("It just won't stop howling about how much it needs blood.")

! Upon being freed from Soge King ("You missed your only chance to kill me easily, World Government!")

In the second and third instance, Zoro had out, or was in the process of drawing, Sandai Kitetsu. Also, he displayed an unusual connection with the Kitetsu sword, knowing Chopper had it when he was head-first in a chimney.

This made me wonder, is it at all possible that Sandai Kitetsu's supposed curse is beginning to have an effect on Zoro? Possessing or controlling his actions in some (currently) small way? If so, is this something that will come up now, or later on?

[Mr. Death]

Good theory, but I don't think that Zoro Is such a waek swordsman to be controled by a sword.

[sgamer82]

True, but if he's not completely aware its happening, it could get him off guard.

[Mr. Death]

@sgamer82:

True, but if he's not completely aware its happening, it could get him off guard.

Yeah, like when he is sleeping most of the time. But that whole thing with him knowing which sword chopper has, was just his swordsman instinct every good swordsman know which swords he has on him and can pick it out in any situation.

[Deicide]

Remember that he was able to "Sense" wadou ittimonji (sp?) buried bellow the rocks on Alabasta, during his fight with Mr. 1. I think he can just "sense" things, since his instincts are as sharp as his swords.

[CosmicDebris]

I don't think a sword would make Zoro act in a way that is entirely contrary to his own nature, but it could be that the sword brings out a darker side that already exists within Zoro. Even the greatest swordsman in the world is subject to various temptations and has to keep concentration to not be swayed by emotion.

Anyway, I think that's an interesting point to bring up. It may not be true, but I think it would be kind of cool to see Zoro struggle a little with "the dark side". Just as long as it doesn't remind me too much of Star Wars. XD

[sgamer82]

DARTH KUINA: Come to the Dark Side, Zoro!
ZORO: Okay (walks toward the Light Side)
DARTH KUINA: How can you get it wrong when it's not even a matter of direction!!

[CosmicDebris]

:laugh:
Nice to know that Zoro is safe from the Dark Side, since he could never find it.

[joekido the Second]

I'll love to hear people making positive comment on my short story:

(Actually, didn't we tell you NOT to do this?…)

! Darth Zoro: Come to the dark side Luffy…. Come to the dark side
! Luffy: You killed Zoro!
! Darth Zoro: No Luffy. I'AM ZORO!!
! Luffy: NNNNOOOOOO!!! SHIT! I frist lost Usopp and now Zoro!
! "Flashback: Usopp lays on the operating table
! Usopp: Wha... Where's the Going Marry?
! Sith Kaku: Luffy killed her, Darth Usopp
! Darth Usopp: NNOOOOO!!!! I'm going to kill that son of bitch!
! Sith Kaku: (Thinking: he does not remamber I sank the ship)
! Luffy: No Usopp! I did not kill the ship!
! Darth Usopp: Don't lie! Face my anger!
! "Luffy does a gomu gomu no jet bazooka to knock Darth Usopp into space"
! Darth Usopp: DDDDAAAMMMMMIITTT!!!
! Sith Kaku: Dang, now Sith Spandam is recruiting a new appearince.
! Flashback ends"
! Darth Zoro: Follow me to darkness, open your heart and search your feelings.
! Luffy: "sniff" nah, I'm going to eat meat to waste myself away. "Jumps down the duct into the land of meat"

[Buccaneer]

Yeah, I think it's more of his facial structure and the kill or be killed attitude he was introduced with than a curse.

[Cap'n Carter]

@joekido:

I'll love to hear people making positive comment on my short story

I think you're out of luck.

[Ivotas]

@Cap'n:

I think you're out of luck.

LOL, that one killed me.

[lpzie]

Come on now…. it gets an A... for effort.

[blacky]

I'd like to see Zoro growing horns or something like that x_x;;

[UPRC]

I wouldn't necessarily like to see Zoro "turn evil" from his sword (I forget the name of the damn thing), but it would be really in, at least in my opinion, if it really does ahve some sort of hold on him and eventually plays with his head sometime. Say at one point Zoro gets too carried away with a threat with his sword or some garbage, and Luffy must reason him out of the situation.

I don't know. I'm tired..

[Kazu-kun]

oh god no…

That's not going to be true, because that right there... is an anime cliche, and I will lose faith in Oda as a great mangaka, if he uses that "masamura" cliche.

[joekido the Second]

Zoro always attempt to use his swords we in arguement or when he has to deal with someone

I watched an Alabasta filler when Luffy was getting to hyper and started to run around everywhere, Zoro almost drew a sword but decline. While that's just filler, has Zoro done this in canon story?

Sanji: Hey Marimo!
Zoro: who are you calling a Marimo?
(Puts his hand on the sword handle)

I sure hope Zoro don't have any "kill" fetish with any crew.

[CosmicDebris]

As if One Piece didn't already have manga cliches. XD

[dlo62282]

ummm. I think it has something to do with the sword. When Zoro was about to first fight Kaku, He was talking about how his sword was crying out because it was thirsty for blood. I think the sword craves blood.

The curse is that the swordsman keep trying to satisfy the sword until someone stronger actually kills that swordsman.

[joekido the Second]

@CosmicDebris:

As if One Piece didn't already have manga cliches. XD

Their is cliches everywhere. Oda never actully broken all cliches. Zoro already has a dark side, he alway attempt to draw out to sword to kill one of his crews.

"No ultimate attacks!"
Uh, gomu gomu no bazooka everyone?

"No pointless animal mascot!"
I see a Hiking Bear.

"No finishing moves!"
Gomu gomu no storm on Crocodile through a bedrock everybody?

"No characters stuck in their past! Sakura gloomy for 10 years? Ugh!"
Nico Robin stuffered a 20 years old nightmare

Oda broken some cliches, most are use for his twist and was done right. It'll be wrong to call him a "Cliche-breaker" we should call him a "Cliche-twister"

[Doraki]

sgamer, I remember Sandai Kitetsu cutting the bounty hunters against his will on whiskey peak when Zoro wanted to try the sword. At least in the anime.
I think the sword has been affecting Zoro since he had it, turning him more evil in some way, I have no idea how it'll end eventually. I hope he doesn't turn insane, and he could always get a better sword though he seemed to like it when he found it.

[Cap'n Carter]

@Buccaneer:

Yeah, I think it's more of his facial structure and the kill or be killed attitude he was introduced with than a curse.

No, that makes too much sense.

Because Zoro attended the same-sex marriage of Dragon and Gol D. Roger, he became cursed by the original forger of the sword, the Devil King Adaxar. The Demon King used his own blood, the fang of Baal and Jesus Christ's Crown of Thorns to create the sword. Roronoa Zoro is the descendant of a cursed people who worshipped Adaxar, but were decimated by Adaxar's infernal flame, and is thus the most susceptible to Adaxar's mind control. Zoro learned to resist by wearing the Jade Emerald Waistband of Cytorrak, which he found while serving in Vietnam with his half-brother, Charles Xavier.

The next arc will most likely center around the Strawhats building the ancient weapon, and using it to sail into space to find the 7 jewel shards so they can free Zoro from the curse. The ministory will be the heartwarming tale of Wiper, and how he forms a chain of fast food restuarants with his Shandian and Skypiea breathren, despite having his throat operated on due to his tobacco overuse, forcing him to use an electronic voicebox to talk.

[Faaip de Oiad]

^ You sir are the best storyteller ever

[Refii]

The Demon King used his own blood, the fang of Baal and Jesus Christ's Crown of Thorns to create the sword. Roronoa Zoro is the descendant of a cursed people who worshipped Adaxar, but were decimated by Adaxar's infernal flame, and is thus the most susceptible to Adaxar's mind control.

God.. how many times do I have to say this? Adaxar doesn't have mind control, he has soul minions that possess his enemies.

The only way to exorcise them is with jello and the blood of a shichibukai

[Paulie]

It might be good, if done right, for Zoro's sword to affect him. But instead of getting rid of it or curing some curse, Zoro's development for the arc will be to finally master the sword and not let it affect him any more.

However, while possible to be pulled off, it's probably better to just have the sword not do anything and just have Zoro be one evil mofo.

[igalsfy]

i think zoro's brother will soon appear and tell him that he lacks hatred. :ninja:

[MushroomBoy]

that's a cool theory, but i dunno…..

[Voodzik]

Actually guys, Oda has NOT been avoiding cliche. In fact, he's been wallowing in them. This is a good thing.

All great authors are cliche. Storytelling has been around too long not to be. The essence of genius is that you take those cliche's and MAKE them interesting again.

I have faith in Oda. If Kietsu takes over Zoro, it will be cool. If Luffy sprouts monkey tail, it will be cool. If there's another TOURNAMENT even, like the one that ruined Yu Yu Hakusho, it will be cool.

[Taleran]

@igalsfy:

i think zoro's brother will soon appear and tell him that he lacks hatred. :ninja:

stop comparing One Piece to your inferior Ninja crap

[KizoFieva]

Uh.

Learn jokes.

[sgamer82]

@Voodzik:

All great authors are cliche. Storytelling has been around too long not to be. The essence of genius is that you take those cliche's and MAKE them interesting again.

That's pretty much my general philosphy when i tcomes to entertainment. An idea doesn't necessarily have to be original (though it helps) it just has to be interesting.

[Aethos]

You know I just thought of something do you think the Sandai Kitetsu could be like the Akujiki sword from the shinobi games?

[*Meh*]

the 'possessed by an evil sword' idea has been done before in other stories, but personally, I think it could work out well in OP. Especially if Kuina's spirit has to intervene at a critical moment to save Zoro's soul from the demonic influence of Kitetsu. Either that, or the whole thing's an act to cover the fact that Zoro is cranky from sleep deprivation.

[KamenRiderNeko]

I never put much thought about his Sandai Kitetsu making him… a little more evil. But it does make sense, and who cares if its been done? Its still awesome.

I'm thinking one day it will play a bigger part in the story... like he comes closer to death (yet again...) only in a bit more serious manner... meh i dunno, I'm just enjoying the story so much right now.

[Robin Stjernberg]

Exactly. There is ALOT of things in OP that has been before, and is very cliché. But it's been done so much freaking better than in a hell load of other series.

[seawind923]

well this makes one thing for sure that zoro and robin are related or something….

----the devil user---roronoa zoro
----the devil woman---nico robin

[Ivotas]

Someone please kill me for being so stupid to check out this thread again!

[anothrnobdy]

I could see this happening. The shop owner at Loguetown did say the sword was cursed and it had killed its previous owners. The curse might be that it makes its wielder more bloodthirsty and he seeks more fights, only to eventually be killed by a stronger opponent. The way Zoro is acting lately, from both Nami's and Kaku's comments, plus his new, demonic variations on his old moves could suggest that Kitetsu is starting to affect him.

This could come into play as a weakness for Zoro. He is letting himself become servant to his sword in order to become stronger, not realizing the harmful effects it has on him. He will never become close to beating Mihawk as long as the sword is commanding him. Only by overcoming his own desires will he be able to become the master to the Kitetsu and get closer to fulfilling his dream.

[Polygon]

@Ivotas:

Someone please kill me for being so stupid to check out this thread again!

**It is now done. :ninja:

But seriously this is Zoro being Zoro. Yes the sword is cursed. And it might be influencing him a little. but not enoughf to have any signifigance. You might as well suspect that Usopps sling is what makes him lie.

Zoro being evil is simply Zoro being zoro. And he does like to fight.**

[JoJo Dogboy]

I don't mind the idea of Kitetsu slowly shaping Zoro's personality, but as for full blown possession, we already saw that in the 5th movie, and that whole movie was, well….....dissappointing.

[d.Lughie]

you could count the movie as a filler though.. but yeah… that movie 5 was really crappy.. i think its the worst One Piece movie..

[crossbowgurl]

Though it did have prettyful forests. but yeah ….crappy.

Zoro's sword turning him evil...? :laugh: Zoro's always acted like he was some bad guy :P wasn't the reason Coby was afraid of him is because every one knew Zoro was like a "demon". It wasn't his fault :3 he's badass by default. But we all know he's just a sweepy widdle puppy who's just grumpy cuz he missed his nap

I think Zoro's threatend to kill each of the SH at one point… ne... i forget when/to who but imagine if he keeps his word and offs them all one night out of frustration XD