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    • captain usopp
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      I think Gaiman's cybermen episode was screwed at least a little by the budget/directing, since we've heard of bits and pieces that would have been in the episode that sound really interesting that totally didnt make it to the screen (such as the cybermen moving silently) but whatya gonna do, budgets always a part of the show/

      Also, apparently the first draft of this episode was written before Capaldi was cast, and while Mofatt had a general direction for the character, it took a little while to gel… so the writer just used House as inpiration. I can sort of see the Hugh Laurie in this episode. Obviously that woulda tweaked some in rewrites, but I can see the base.

      EDIT: Whoops, this is Robby, accidentally still signed in on CU's laptap. That'll happen.

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        There we go, that's a bit more like me.

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          Whoa, did Captain Usopp just regenerate into Robby?

          And Capaldi definitely made his own mark on this episode. The Jelly Baby cigarette case was his idea, for example, as was the Tom Baker impression during his golluming.

          moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

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            I'd say "more please" but we have the same writer next week, so that's essentially what we'll get. If he does as well the second time (something Gaiman didn't manage) , I may have a new favourite show writer.

            This is technically his second script. Next week is his first one and the one that convinced the production to make him write another episode this season.

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              I finally caught up watching all the episode of season 8 and I got to say Capaldi is a great addition to the doctor family tree. Has much as I adore Matt Smith it's nice to see the next doctor isn't anything like the 11th. Also I believe watching the episode back to back helps give Capaldi the doctor feeling than waiting every week. Too bad now I have to wait like everyone else.

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                Glad that everyone is positive about this episode, that might be a first. 🙂 I noticed quite a few people who were unhappy with Capaldi in other places say this episode helped them out a lot. It felt a lot like an old school doctor who episode except with a lovely set and sharp production values. Loved the music too (though I couldn't care less about Foxes appearing).

                I actually got teary eyed a couple of times.

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                  Yeah I have no idea who Foxes is, and if it wasn't for a couple of publicity articles I would never have known otherwise. Neat cover, though!

                  That being said, this episode was awesome. Nothing arc related and a perfect standalone (even with the ties it has to Kill the Moon), and probably a good jumping point for new fans. Never thought Capaldi would adopt some (Tom) Baker traits, but he does it well enough to be his own Doctor and not a mere mimic.

                  The quality of these episodes are starting to scare me, I keep thinking we're going to get a dud by the end of the season and ruin Capaldi's "good" streak haha.

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                    @Mr.:

                    I keep thinking we're going to get a dud

                    We already did. It's called Kill the Moon.

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                      Eh, I'd still place it above most of Season 7.

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                        Hmm… yes, that.
                        But talking about series 8, it was absolute low point.
                        And since worst already happened...future is bright again.

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                          Excellent, excellent episode.

                          A cool and original new villain, great setting, good supporting characters (Frank Skinner was particularly endearing) and Capaldi just being Capaldi.

                          The only downside was Clara's change of heart at the end of the episode.

                          I cannot wait for her to leave the show.

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                            Too late, she is main character.

                            It's officially Clara Who now.

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                              The only episode that was more about Clara than the Doctor was Kill the Moon and she was secondary in Robots of Sherwood and MOTOM, but now it's Clara Who I guess.
                              It didn't become Donna Who when they made Turn Left. (or Rose Who, since she was the one acting as the Doctor replacement in that episode)

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                                Snowmen, Bells of Saint John, Rings of Akhaten, Name of the Doctor, 60% of Deep Breath, half of Into the Dalek, Listen, Caretaker, Kill the Moon.
                                Glue of the Universe, Fear from under the bed, Clara Whooooooo…

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                                  I already disliked her character as it was, but Kill the Moon broke the camel's back for me.

                                  I'm hoping for the first real companion death since Adric.

                                  _"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron

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                                    I'm fairly happy with Season 8 so far.

                                    Deep Breath was rubbish, but every ep since then has at least been watchable to me.
                                    Into the Dalek & Time Heist were watchable, Listen & Kill the Moon were good, Robot of Sherwood & The Caretaker were great and Mummy on the Orient Express was fantastic.
                                    I agree this series has perhaps been a bit too much about Clara, but it feels like we're reaching the point where this will come to a head anyway, and we wouldn't have had the hilarious "The Caretaker" without it. In any event, it's already the best series moff's put out for me.

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                                    I'm hoping for the first real companion death since Adric.

                                    broken leaf ending

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                                      @Darkstorm:

                                      broken leaf ending

                                      fingers crossed

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                                        Nah. She should just go home and do her bad teaching.
                                        If she dies, it will be series 3 all over again… "Poor Clara...she was my only friend...and now she is dead... I was wrong...so wrong...I'm so sorry regenerates back into Tennant"

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                                          Nah. She should just go home and do her bad teaching.
                                          If she dies, it will be series 3 all over again… "Poor Clara...she was my only friend...and now she is dead... I was wrong...so wrong...I'm so sorry regenerates back into Tennant"

                                          Clara dying could phase quite nicely into Danny as the next companion though.

                                          Tbh, as long as she just leaves the show in any way, shaper or form then that'd be great.

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                                            Clara dying could phase quite nicely into Danny as the next companion though.

                                            Tbh, as long as she just leaves the show in any way, shaper or form then that'd be great.

                                            Frankly, I would say the same before last three episodes. But after them, I'd rather have Danny stay where he is.
                                            I don't want next companions to be in any way related to Clara, and her impossible splinters in the backside of reality should be forgotten too.

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                                              Frankly, I would say the same before last three episodes. But after them, I'd rather have Danny stay where he is.
                                              I don't want next companions to be in any way related to Clara, and her impossible splinters in the backside of reality should be forgotten too.

                                              He's got quite a good in with The Doctor though, having already impressed with his actions in The Caretaker.

                                              The character development from turning down Journey Blue as a soldier, to accepting Danny would be cool too.

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                                                He's got quite a good in with The Doctor though, having already impressed with his actions in The Caretaker.

                                                The character development from turning down Journey Blue as a soldier, to accepting Danny would be cool too.

                                                But then Clara will stay too, unless she dies. And if she dies, Danny will be sad boyfriend trying to cope with loss in the big uncaring universe.
                                                That sounds like awesome companion for 11, but I'm not sure it would work with 12. Unless they both die, and Orson becomes companion instead.

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                                                  But then Clara will stay too, unless she dies. And if she dies, Danny will be sad boyfriend trying to cope with loss in the big uncaring universe.
                                                  That sounds like awesome companion for 11, but I'm not sure it would work with 12. Unless they both die, and Orson becomes companion instead.

                                                  I could see Clara dying, it not being The Doctor's fault and Danny realising that he'd like to honour her by trying to help the universe like she had done or some shit.

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                                                    I could see Clara dying, it not being The Doctor's fault and Danny realising that he'd like to honour her by trying to help the universe like she had done or some shit.

                                                    Possibly, but there will still be shadow of Clara in the show, and possibility for her to came back.
                                                    (They go somewhere, meet splinter Danny goes all "She should stay with us").

                                                    Rose plagued the show for years, and as much as I love Ponds, there was always a chance of River with them.
                                                    It's better not to carry that burden.

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                                                      Possibly, but there will still be shadow of Clara in the show, and possibility for her to came back.
                                                      (They go somewhere, meet splinter Danny goes all "She should stay with us").

                                                      Rose plagued the show for years, and as much as I love Ponds, there was always a chance of River with them.
                                                      It's better not to carry that burden.

                                                      Did Clara actually splinter herself anymore though?

                                                      The Doctor no longer died on Trenzalore, hence no time stream left behind for Clara to jump into.

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                                                        Did Clara actually splinter herself anymore though?

                                                        The Doctor no longer died on Trenzalore, hence no time stream left behind for Clara to jump into.

                                                        Moffat loves her, if he will want to bring up a splinter he will think of something, like River somehow being able to travel into tea induced dreams from a computer.

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                                                          It's funny to see how different the opinions are in the fandom. I like Clara much more since season 8 and I think Danny one of the worst recurring character we've had in a long time.

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                                                            Clara dying could phase quite nicely into Danny as the next companion though.

                                                            Yeah, I imagine the best way to mourn a dead girlfriend is by travelling across time and space.

                                                            Can only imagine what a depressing season that would be.

                                                            It'd just be like Martha's one season but with two people moping around the TARDIS.

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                                                              Yeah, I imagine the best way to mourn a dead girlfriend is by travelling across time and space.

                                                              Can only imagine what a depressing season that would be.

                                                              It'd just be like Martha's one season but with two people moping around the TARDIS.

                                                              Taking her place and effectively living as she would have liked to wouldn't really be that wildly out there imo.

                                                              Just have to see I suppose.

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                                                              It's funny to see how different the opinions are in the fandom. I like Clara much more since season 8 and I think Danny one of the worst recurring character we've had in a long time.

                                                              I think Danny has the potential to be a good character when he's not just a Clara expansion pack.

                                                              I've just found Clara's self righteousness to have grown consistently since TDotD tbh.

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                                                                I was under the impression that the entire shard splintering thing no longer actually happened… the doctor just retains his memories of it because he's a timetraveler... much like older Amy in the GIrl Who Waited or the Winston CHurchill riding a wooly mammoth bizarro fractured universe..

                                                                It hasn't been referenced or talked about at all since it happened. Her no longer died on Trenzalore so the entire thing is an overwritten paradox now.

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                                                                  There really isn't more attention to Clara than there is of Rose, Martha, Donna or Amy. And remember when Donna had a whole episode that was all about her and didn't hardly feature the Doctor? 😛 Even after Rose wasn't the companion anymore, it was still the damn Rose show!

                                                                  But that's fandom, there's always too much of the thing you don't like.

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                                                                    To date, Rose is still the only companion I downright dislike, and that mostly stems from how she treated other people, from Mickey to Sarah Jane. Adric at least was balanced out by a whole slew of people on the Tardis and didnt get sole companion focus.

                                                                    I have my complaints from time to time, (and I had a rough transition this regeneraation) but in general I enjoy the show in most of its forms and usually don't have massive problems with the doctor or his companions. So the Amy and Rory hate always boggled my mind, as does the crazy ammount of bile thrown at Clara… when all the things she's doing are what ANY companion would be doing if they happened to be slotted in at this point in the show's history.... and when all of NuWho has had its companions ultimately end up being special and universe altering in some way.

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                                                                      The Doctor flat out said that Donna was "The most important woman in all of creation".

                                                                      But I think people are more sensitive about Clara having impact on the Doctor personally, rather than the entirety of time and space. It's nothing to worry about, in the end, like every other new show runner, they can decide to gloss over/change/erase whatever anyone did before. 😉

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                                                                        I really do not get the hate for Clara. I think Jenna has done a fantastic job as an actress and was sold on her in the Ring of Akhaten. Especially towards the end of the episode where the Doctor gives her back the ring and explains how the people wanted her to have it. Her body language, redness in the eyes, etc said so much more than dialogue could and it was acted really well to where you can tell what it meant to, how she felt, etc. without needing words.

                                                                        Also, Rose is by far the most annoying. Hell, during series 3 the Doctor moped about her half the time. Then again I was never a fan of the RTD era.

                                                                        People are going to like who they like. If you say I can't wait for this person to leave, blah blah blah…. well no shit that you aren't going to like it.

                                                                        As far as this season goes, ever since Listen, I think the season has picked up a lot and look forward to next week. I still picture in my head how Matt would portray the Doctor in the episodes, especially during the figuring out part and realization this past Saturday. I think what it is, Matt was able to have a large range. By this I mean he would be zany one minute and downright harsh another. That transition in tone and voice was great and welcomed. I do like Capaldi a lot and his approach for the Doctor, but I just think that the tone between the goofy parts and the serious parts isn't as large for an impact. Does that make sense?

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                                                                          I Find it funny that the reasons people cite for there dislike of a certain companion. are usually traits common among the companions in new Who. but guys really, the amount of vile that comes out of some of you, calm down its a television show.

                                                                          i like brook he gives me a bone-er haha skull joke

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                                                                            Certain companion is our new Joffrey.
                                                                            All this hate is actually a compliment to certain actress for playing such rage-inducing character so immersively and believably.
                                                                            It only means that we care.
                                                                            but she has to go

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                                                                              Hate is a strong of an emotion to waste on someone you don't even like? 😉

                                                                              Actually I like this one better:

                                                                              Hate is such a luxurious emotion, it can only be spent on someone we love. - Bob Udkoff

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                                                                                I was under the impression that the entire shard splintering thing no longer actually happened… the doctor just retains his memories of it because he's a timetraveler... much like older Amy in the GIrl Who Waited or the Winston CHurchill riding a wooly mammoth bizarro fractured universe..

                                                                                It hasn't been referenced or talked about at all since it happened. Her no longer died on Trenzalore so the entire thing is an overwritten paradox now.

                                                                                The only theory I had regarding this was that the timestream left behind on Trenzalore was a by-product of The Doctor having used up his old regeneration cycle or something along those lines, since it perfectly covers the regenerations in that cycle, from The First Doctor to The Eleventh Doctor.

                                                                                Then again, as you pointed out, they just haven't mentioned it again so yeah, it's most likely just been overwritten.

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                                                                                  I also don't get the Clara dislike. I love Coleman and think she has some fantastic chemistry with Capaldi. I'll at least miss her when she's gone.

                                                                                  That said, the 180 from her (absolutely justified) rant at the end of last week's episode, to this one irked the hell out of me.

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                                                                                    …her (absolutely justified) rant...

                                                                                    …was it though?

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                                                                                      …was it though?

                                                                                      In my eyes, yes. What he did to her was ridiculous. That's not the kind of thing you just saddle a person with. And that he could just nonchalantly throw out the idea that he doesn't have to bother with it because Earth isn't his home? It's ridiculous. But it's not even that. The Doctor doesn't treat his companions the best. 12 has been particularly mean to Clara throughout the season: Insulting her and, now twice, having left her in situations where she could only hope he would come back. He needed someone to tell him that he's a fucking prick, lest we suffer another stupid Timelord triumphant moment.

                                                                                      The Doctor is far from infallible, especially on a character level, so it was very cathartic to see Clara just tear into him.

                                                                                      I only wish it had been Rory there, because he would have torn him an even bigger one.

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                                                                                        In my eyes, yes. What he did to her was ridiculous. That's not the kind of thing you just saddle a person with. And that he could just nonchalantly throw out the idea that he doesn't have to bother with it because Earth isn't his home? It's ridiculous. But it's not even that. The Doctor doesn't treat his companions the best. 12 has been particularly mean to Clara throughout the season: Insulting her and, now twice, having left her in situations where she could only hope he would come back. He needed someone to tell him that he's a fucking prick, lest we suffer another stupid Timelord triumphant moment.

                                                                                        It wasn't that he didn't have to bother with it though, it just wasn't his decision to make.

                                                                                        It would have been far more arrogant and "time-lord victorious" to simply make that decision himself.

                                                                                        Instead of mollycoddlng the "pudding-brains" he let them make their own decision as to what to do with their moon and the consequences that could possibly follow.

                                                                                        If he'd simply gone ahead and made the decision for them then Clara would probably have been upset at The Doctor looking down on the human race and not letting them have a say in an event that would effect them all.

                                                                                        Also, Clara overriding the decision of the rest of the human race just because it's what she though was the right thing to do has to be one of the most arrogant actions of any character I've seen in any series.

                                                                                        Add this to her to self righteous little rants in Kill The Moon and Into The Dalek and you've got a profoundly unlikeable character, at least to me.

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                                                                                        The Doctor is far from infallible, especially on a character level, so it was very cathartic to see Clara just tear into him.

                                                                                        I only wish it had been Rory there, because he would have torn him an even bigger one.

                                                                                        Clara herself is also far from infallible. Glass houses and all that.

                                                                                        The Doctor has earned the right to some arrogance after centuries served and billions of lives saved, in my opinion.

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                                                                                          That said, the 180 from her (absolutely justified) rant at the end of last week's episode, to this one irked the hell out of me.

                                                                                          Weeks had passed at that point. She had a lot of time to think about it, but more importantly, she realized that while this Doctor isn't the same as the last one, he still strives to do the same things for the same reasons, just in a different way. Also, apparently, she is addicted to the traveling. 😉

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                                                                                          It wasn't that he didn't have to bother with it though, it just wasn't his decision to make.

                                                                                          It would have been far more arrogant and "time-lord victorious" to simply make that decision himself.

                                                                                          Instead of mollycoddlng the "pudding-brains" he let them make their own decision as to what to do with their moon and the consequences that could possibly follow.

                                                                                          If he'd simply gone ahead and made the decision for them then Clara would probably have been upset at The Doctor looking down on the human race and not letting them have a say in an event that would effect them all.

                                                                                          He also left it to the humans and silurians to make a decision for themselves - only that time, he did not act like he couldn't care less and then vanish, leaving them with time ticking down to probably death.
                                                                                          Nobody is suggesting that he should have made the decision for them, but he didn't have to be an ass about it. I don't get why people want to ignore that part.

                                                                                          Remember in Day of the Doctor when he asked Clara what he should do about the future of his planet? Did she just say "well, not my world, guess I'll go hide in the TARDIS."

                                                                                          Also, Clara overriding the decision of the rest of the human race just because it's what she though was the right thing to do has to be one of the most arrogant actions of any character I've seen in any series.

                                                                                          The majority isn't always right, in that case, the ends justified the means. It happened to be the right thing to do, and the Doctor trusted her to make it more than the rest of the human race, and she trusted the Doctor's opinion. Because basically, that's what she did, even though she made it, the idea came from him. So in all honesty, he really did cause that to happen indirectly.

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                                                                                            The Doctor picks his companions because he trusts their judgement and for them to make the right call when he can't or won't.

                                                                                            When it comes to those that go against it, like that twat that got the device planted into his skull, or soldiers in general, the Doctor just won't keep them around.

                                                                                            But trusting in Clara to represent all of Humanity in an important choice, even if it goes against the wishes of many, isn't any different than Amy and the space whale, or humanity with the SIlurians (which he's done twice now! The first time only to be let down by the Brigadier) or any of a number of other times where he depends on one or two particular people to do the right thing rather than what the majority wants.

                                                                                            An interesting counterpoint is when he needs humanity to be devil's advocate for him ,like when it comes down to something like the genocide of the Daleks… and Sarah Jane urged him to do it... and he still had to take the stance that it wasn't his right alone to decide something THAT big, that important, to kill that many, even if it was the right thing for the majority and could spare countless lives. So it really is a situation he himself has been in before (and on more ocassions than just that) where it helps to hear a second opinion, but the choice really has to be left to those responsible for it.

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                                                                                              He also left it to the humans and silurians to make a decision for themselves - only that time, he did not act like he couldn't care less and then vanish, leaving them with time ticking down to probably death.
                                                                                              Nobody is suggesting that he should have made the decision for them, but he didn't have to be an ass about it. I don't get why people want to ignore that part.

                                                                                              I didn't really think he was an ass about it to be honest.

                                                                                              He let the human race stand up and be counted, taking the "stabilizers off their bike" as The Doctor put it, then left for the duration of the decision making process.

                                                                                              He didn't act like the human race were "stupid apes" or "pudding brains", he acted like they were perfectly capable of making a decision that only they had the right to make.

                                                                                              He wasn't particularly gentle about it, but then again that just seems to be The Twelfth's particular way of doing things.

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                                                                                              Remember in Day of the Doctor when he asked Clara what he should do about the future of his planet? Did she just say "well, not my world, guess I'll go hide in the TARDIS."

                                                                                              Yep, and she had as much right to pass judgement on the future of Gallifrey as he had a right to pass judgement on the future of the moon. I seem to remember all 3 Doctors being ready to activate The Moment and then Smith's Doctor being swayed by the way Clara was looking at him, rather than him actively consulting her first.

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                                                                                              The majority isn't always right, in that case, the ends justified the means. It happened to be the right thing to do, and the Doctor trusted her to make it more than the rest of the human race, and she trusted the Doctor's opinion. Because basically, that's what she did, even though she made it, the idea came from him. So in all honesty, he really did cause that to happen indirectly.

                                                                                              It wasn't the right decision though.

                                                                                              Also, The Doctor left Clara, Courtney and the female astronaut to make the decision, not just Clara. Left them with enough time to decide what to do, which included consulting the rest of the human race. Clara then decided off her own back to risk hundreds, perhaps thousands of lives because she thought it was the right thing to do, and basically gave a big middle finger up to the opinion of the rest of her species.

                                                                                              The possible calamities that could have resulted in letting the moon hatch way outweighed the one certain death cause by bombing the creature inside it. With the information she had at hand, Clara risked a hell of a lot based on a possible perfect scenario that against all odds happened to transpire.

                                                                                              If anything it's quite an interesting turnaround, as it's the centuries old and demi-god like timelord who allowed the mere mortals to make their own decision , while a regular earthling decided to play god and put lives at risk based on her own blindly idealistic view.

                                                                                              Pretty ironic that she then has a rant at The Doctor for seemingly disassociating himself with a major day in the history of humanity, considering she had just decided that her opinion was more valid than all of humanity put together.

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                                                                                                "Don't you dare to lump me in with the rest of all the little humans" ©

                                                                                                Sounds justifed allright. Not arrogant at all.:ninja:

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                                                                                                  "Don't you dare to lump me in with the rest of all the little humans" ©

                                                                                                  Sounds justifed allright. Not arrogant at all.:ninja:

                                                                                                  Yep, poor poor Clara.

                                                                                                  Getting to traverse all of time and space at a whim, while being treated as an equal, who's race can be allowed to make their own decisions.

                                                                                                  Poor poor girl.

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                                                                                                    Yep, poor poor Clara.

                                                                                                    Getting to traverse all of time and space at a whim, while being treated as an equal, who's race can be allowed to make their own decisions.

                                                                                                    Poor poor girl.

                                                                                                    To be fair some other girls just had to walk through radioactive wasteland for a year, or die, or sacrifice everything that made their life worthwile.
                                                                                                    That is nothing, compared to being actually in charge and make actual decisions, instead of just standing there looking bossy and claiming you want to be in charge and make decisions.
                                                                                                    How dares he put poor Clara through such unspeakable abuse.

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                                                                                                      To be fair some other girls just had to walk through radioactive wasteland for a year, or die, or sacrifice everything that made their life worthwile.
                                                                                                      That is nothing, compared to being actually in charge and make actual decisions, instead of just standing there looking bossy and claiming you want to be in charge and make decisions.
                                                                                                      How dares he put poor Clara through such unspeakable abuse.

                                                                                                      I genuinely thought after Martha left the Tardis it could only be upward from there in terms of companion quality, and downward in terms of unlike-ability and annoyance.

                                                                                                      I never anticipated Martha having this close a rival.

                                                                                                      It's keeping me up at night.

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                                                                                                        I genuinely thought after Martha left the Tardis it could only be upward from there in terms of companion quality, and downward in terms of unlike-ability and annoyance.

                                                                                                        I never anticipated Martha having this close a rival.

                                                                                                        It's keeping me up at night.

                                                                                                        That's what happened. Donna - awesome. Amy - great. Rory - 10/10.
                                                                                                        And then it went downhill from River, then S7 Clara, then current Clara.
                                                                                                        Next should be better if only by comparison.

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