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      I'd love there to be another Jamie/Turlough. But the Doctor's never had a single male companion. Which is probably for the best, we don't need the show to be a complete sausage fest. Unless we get a female doctor with a male companion…now that would be a twist. 😛

      Jamie/Turlough.

      never had a single male companion.

      Way to contradict yourself. And with Jamie that even happened in the actual show.

      we don't need the show to be a complete sausage fest

      And with great Doctor and well-written companion that would be bad because…?

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        As for the whole Moffat stuff, I'm ok if he stays on for a few more years, perhaps even more. And I understand the complaint about his "ego" showing up through the series, but… he is showrunner, after all. I reeeeaaally don't want to go down another Moffat/Davis debate, but I'd say it's not all too different from what Davies did when he made most of his companions super important to the series.

        haha funny thing about that barn scene in Listen. I talked to my friends about it today and I was surprised how none of them made the connection as to what that barn was, or at least, whose it was. Must've missed that bit of the monologue or something, but still, there was a pretty glaring visual to go along with it.

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        Way to contradict yourself. And with Jamie that even happened in the actual show.

        She didn't mean it that way. I think she was thinking more along the lines of having a man in the TARDIS as the only companion, which hasn't happened (as far as my knowledge goes). Obviously there was men as companions throughout the history, but they were always with ladies as well. Rory was always with Amy, Harry was always with Sarah, Ian with Barbara, Cpt. Jack w/ Rose, etc.

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          She didn't mean it that way. I think she was thinking more along the lines of having a man in the TARDIS as the only companion, which hasn't happened (as far as my knowledge goes). Obviously there was men as companions throughout the history, but they were always with ladies as well. Rory was always with Amy, Harry was always with Sarah, Ian with Barbara, Cpt. Jack w/ Rose, etc.

          But it did happen, that is the point. Jamie was the only companion of 2nd in the Two Doctors and there are stories in expanded universe with him and Turlough being sole companions.

          And Craig in "Closing Time"

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            But it did happen, that is the point. Jamie was the only companion of 2nd in the Two Doctors and there are stories in expanded universe with him and Turlough being sole companions.

            Fair enough, didn't know about that. Although I see nothing wrong with an all male tardis team, if it were to happen again I can definitely see a huge portion of tumblr blowing up with "Moffat is sexist because he's excluded women from Who!"

            Also, on the thought about the complaint of Clara becoming too important, I think the complainers are missing the point. Yeah, she's interfered in his life way more than any of the previous companions, but the purpose of it in this episode was

            ! for her to discover what his true fear is, and that despite 12's rough and tough edge, he's just as afraid as he's ever been… plus he's afraid of the dark.

            I get that it's kind of annoying that it had to be Clara to be a part of that, but I don't see Moffat waiting until the next companion to do that story, since it fits really well with the season.

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              Fair enough, didn't know about that. Although I see nothing wrong with an all male tardis team, if it were to happen again I can definitely see a huge portion of tumblr blowing up with "Moffat is sexist because he's excluded women from Who!"

              But they would be wrong, wouldn't they? Not talking about Moffat here, he has his share of fucks up. I don't want him to be anywhere near female Doctor, because she will be River 5.0.
              I just think that as long as it's well written, engaging and interesting tardis team may be all female, male, alien, anything.

              Also, on the thought about the complaint of Clara becoming too important

              She is not that important, if you think about it.

              ! She only fixed damage made by GI, stalled three Doctors enough for them to think up the saving Gallifrey plan, and gave him vague memory about ankle-grabbing ghosts which he completely forgot about till now.

              I just prefer to think people can't let it go because she is not that lovable.

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                Yeah, I didn't think that comment would go down well here XD
                I stand by it though. Just because I don't like some things doesn't mean I hate the show - I'd not watch were that the case. And I did say it was a good episode…

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                  ! [qimg]http://i.imgur.com/w6JnUIS.gif[/qimg]
                  ! MOFFAT!
                  ! Actually I thought that one was quite good - especially the 'was there even a monster' twist. So props. Though I am bugged my the Doctor's random misogyny (where he's not being alien but just being nasty for the sake of it), and Clara's increasingly important role in the canon. Moffat's ego is going to be the true villain of this season.

                  Mysogyny ? She insulted him just as much as he insulted her. Even slapped him once. It's fair game between the two.

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                    Lol. Clara does not bother me like at all. Is this how people felt when they weren't bothered by Rose but I hated her?

                    HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?

                    ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.

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                      Lol. Clara does not bother me like at all. Is this how people felt when they weren't bothered by Rose but I hated her?

                      Could be man. Could be.

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                        Lol. Clara does not bother me like at all. Is this how people felt when they weren't bothered by Rose but I hated her?

                        No, because Rose is a truly fucking awful unlikeable bitch queen who should have been blown up, eaten by something with sharp teeth, killed, then brought back to be blown up and killed again. Painfully.

                        Clara in contrast… happens to be important to the current plot. No different than Amy or Donna or any other companion that wasn't monster charisma hole unlikable wench Rose who singlehandedly makes the first two seasons unwatchable, and stains the entirety of Tennant's run.

                        There's really no comparison.

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                          But they would be wrong, wouldn't they?

                          Yeah. If anything, I was just saying how no matter what Moffat does, there'll always be a group of people that'll hate his work for ridiculous reasons.

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                            LoL can the regeneration actually turn him into a girl ?! :blink:

                            Anyway I got used to Capaldi in 2 episodes. This guy is born for this role 😄

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                              Way to contradict yourself. And with Jamie that even happened in the actual show.

                              If you're talking about "The Two Doctors", I don't think that counts since Peri is also in it.

                              (I happen to really love the Doctor/Turlough Big Finish adventures, but I don't think you'll ever see something like that in the show.)

                              It can happen in a a one-off, once in a while type of thing (like Craig, I did forget about him), but I mean as a long term, main companion, I don't see them ever breaking that pattern.

                              And with great Doctor and well-written companion that would be bad because…?

                              Because there should be a female presence on the main cast of show. You think people complain about sexism now?

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                              No, because Rose is a truly fucking awful unlikeable bitch queen who should have been blown up, eaten by something with sharp teeth, killed, then brought back to be blown up and killed again. Painfully.

                              But Robby…like it or not, Rose is still loved by many. People still consistently vote her as their favorite companion in large polls. I don't like her much either, but just like anything, subject to personal opinion.

                              I do wonder if Clara will eventually overtake in public opinion by the time she's done, though.

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                              Yeah, I didn't think that comment would go down well here XD
                              I stand by it though. Just because I don't like some things doesn't mean I hate the show - I'd not watch were that the case. And I did say it was a good episode…

                              It's cool, I don't think anyone got on your case for it…I just said I don't see it personally. I feel like he'd do basically the same thing regardless of gender, and Clara just sort of smiles knowing he seems to be trying hard to be at a distance when he really thinks the world of her.

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                              LoL can the regeneration actually turn him into a girl ?! :blink:

                              It's been made into a thing since "The Doctor's Wife", furthered by "The Night of the Doctor", though my impression is that it isn't exactly something that happens randomly, it probably does require a little extra technology. So I don't know if the Doctor can just end up female as a surprise (or maybe from a glitch he can, but cross-gender regeneration doesn't appear to be something that happens all the time)

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                                Rose is a truly fucking awful unlikeable bitch

                                And she is still better than smug Miss Sunshine we have now - "My mom is most important mom in the universe, here is her leaf!" "I totally fancy old men as well, fuk u lizard woman!" "Fucking children, how dare they not listen to my threats!" "Lol Danny you kill women!" etc.

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                                Because there should be a female presence on the main cast of show. You think people complain about sexism now?

                                To quote

                                there'll always be a group of people that'll complain

                                For the rest everything solved by guest and recurring characters. Same for people who would complain if there female Doctor/companion.

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                                  And she is still better than smug Miss Sunshine we have now - "My mom is most important mom in the universe, here is her leaf!" "I totally fancy old men as well, fuk u lizard woman!" "Fucking children, how dare they not listen to my threats!" "Lol Danny you kill women!" etc.

                                  I think you've missed the point of every one of those scenes.

                                  And I'm not even sure which scene the children bit refers to.

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                                    I think you've missed the point of every one of those scenes.

                                    And I'm not even sure which scene the children bit refers to.

                                    And you missed the point of character development Rose went through in her time?

                                    Scene where she learned how to survive enemy interrogation by talking with children.

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                                      And you missed the point of character development Rose went through in her time?

                                      Rose started as a horrible bitch that ignored her friends for her own selfish needs and desires (including ignoring her mother, letting Mickey be blamed for kidnapping her for a year and never even apologizing, leading him on, and being a wench to anything else female within ten feet of the doctor…) and ended... full of her own selfish needs and desires who, upon getting a doctor of her very own, immediately ignored the original and made out with the copy right in front of him.

                                      No growth, no change, no apologies for being a complete ass to her friends and family, but she gets what she wanted on a silver platter while say, Donna, gets her memory wiped of all her actual growth and experiences.

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                                        Right, so Robby hates Rose, Warp Predator hates Clara, Most people love them both, welcome to Doctor Who fandom, let's move along. 😛

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                                          Rose started as a horrible bitch that ignored her friends for her own selfish needs and desires (including ignoring her mother, letting Mickey be blamed for kidnapping her for a year and never even apologizing, leading him on, and being a wench to anything else female within ten feet of the doctor…) and ended... full of her own selfish needs and desires who, upon getting a doctor of her very own, immediately ignored the original and made out with the copy right in front of him.

                                          No growth, no change, no apologies for being a complete ass to her friends and family, but she gets what she wanted on a silver platter while say, Donna, gets her memory wiped of all her actual growth and experiences.

                                          Clara started as blank state, overshadowed by two her prior more interesting incarnations. Then started to solve plot of the week by power of love, showed actual cowardice on the submarine (which was praised, because "unlike that bitch Amy, she knows where to stop"), decided that doctor is her magic boyfriend and should act on her every whim and cook turkeys in his time machine, complained when he tried to save her by dropping her home, became actual tumblr incarnation unable to accept older Doctor even after long drawn out talk with Vastra (in which she acted all superior, claiming that she is not actually that shallow, while being that shallow, since only call from Eleventh made her stay), slapped Doctor because he doesn't believe in nice daleks (what a bigot) and doesn't save everyone ever, actually triggers Danny war-memories and feel insulted when he calls her on that (really, anyone with half a brain would already understand that this is a delicate theme for him), is a horrible teacher because thinks children need to be coerced and outsmarted (just like those enemy robots) and not understood and impressed.

                                          Giant leap from everyman nice girl to poor man Barbara, negative growth, no apologies for being complete ass to the Doctor, boyfriend and children. We are yet to see how all of this will end, but that also means she has "infinite potential" â„¢ to be even more insufferable.

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                                            Short version Warp. I disagree with almost all your points mostly and can refute them, and will continue to hate the fact that Rose was a complete bitch to her friends.

                                            I had a much longer bit written up, but Cosmic pretty much summed it up, so leave it at that.

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                                              It's weirdly reassuring to know it's not just Brits who do this with Doctor Who

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                                                @Robby:

                                                Short version Warp. I disagree with almost all your points mostly and can refute them, and will continue to hate the fact that Rose was a complete bitch to her friends.

                                                I had a much longer bit written up, but Cosmic pretty much summed it up, so leave it at that.

                                                I've read your longer version and disagree with your points as well, and Clara is no less bitch to everyone.
                                                But yeah, there is no point to argue who is worse, let's just agree that Donna was the best.

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                                                  Amy >>>> Donna > Rory > Martha > Clara >>>> Rose

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                                                    @Kaiolino:

                                                    Amy >>>> Donna > Rory > Martha > Clara >>>> Rose

                                                    Swap Clara and Donna and I'm ok with this.

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                                                      I think my list is;

                                                      Wilfred > Rory > Jack Hartness > Later Mickey > Donna = Martha > Amy = Rose > Early Mickey > Clara

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                                                        Most old series companions > nuwho companions

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                                                          Classic Companions > Lucie Miller >rest of Big Finish companions >NuWho companions>>>>>>>EastEnders characters from Dimensions in Time = Rose = Adric >> Clara

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                                                            Rory (the Roman) >>>> Amy > Donna > Clara >>> Martha >>>>>>>> Rose.

                                                            I haven't seen enough of Classic Who to rank them.

                                                            But Rose tainted the rest of Tennant's run. Robby really nailed my problems with her.

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                                                              Jamie>Romana>Donna>Barbara>Amy&Rory>Turlough>Sarah Jane>Ace>Ian

                                                              Eff this ranking, it's too hard. I'll just throw Mel, Adric and Rose at the bottom. Apparently Mel is much better in audio, though, I haven't got to those yet.

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                                                                My companion rating:

                                                                Handles

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                                                                  My companion rating:

                                                                  Handles

                                                                  But, but K-9 is better!

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                                                                    The lack of any mention of Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart is disgusting here. The man gave the Doctor a purpose while he was in exile.

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                                                                      I love the Brigadier, but I have always considerd him not to be a companion in the traditional sense, since he wasn't asked to travel with him. He probably wouldn't want to go. Yeah he did travel in the TARDIS once, but out if necessity… And that was written to be Ian Chesterson originally anyway but he dropped out.

                                                                      But yeah he rocks, as does Sergeant Benton and Captain Yates.

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                                                                        I liked Rose, she is not my favorite but I really liked her because of the points Robby summed up. She was pretty normal and human if you ask me.

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                                                                          Best male companions : Ian, Jamie, Harry, Wilf
                                                                          Best female companions : Ace, Romana 1, Zoe, Leela
                                                                          And of course K9

                                                                          I wouldn't count any of the main Unit chaps as companions. Doctor wouldn't have taken them as he couldn't trust them to do what he'd do. Pretty telling the only ones he took with him from unit were civilians and a doctor.

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                                                                            Speaking of the Brigadier, I love how they handled his passing at the end of Series 6. Wasn't just a random off-shot conversation, it actually moved the plot since it made the Doctor come to the realization that he can't run from his death forever (even if, in the end, he did exactly that…). A touching moment, none the less.

                                                                            Finally got my copy of The Light At the End today. Originally they forgot to pack it in with my previous orders, and I had totally forgotten that I had even bought it until I looked at the sales receipt and inquired as to where the copy was.

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                                                                            But, but K-9 is better!

                                                                            For me, Handles takes the prize for a short and sweet tenure. Can't say I can judge K-9 off of the very few episodes I've seen him in, but he was pretty kickin' during Shada.

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                                                                              I also loved handles. Wish we'd seen more of him or even just how they met.

                                                                              HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?

                                                                              ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.

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                                                                                Had Matt Smith stayed on one more season, he would have had some proper adventures with Handles on Trenzalore.

                                                                                Maybe some day we'll get Tales of Trenzalore on Big Finish.

                                                                                btw, I found really good analysis of Listen from someone else on another forum.

                                                                                I initially didn't like this episode at all. I found it pretentious and nonsensical. But then I listened to others ideas and watched it again and I think this is it.

                                                                                The Doctor has been scared ever since he was a little boy (as Clara grabbed his ankles) and it's become such a default thing with him that he's actually scared of nothing. At the beginning of the episode, The Doctor feels scared - after all, besides the ankles thing, he has reason to be what with all he has encountered down the years - and he tries to rationalize it. He WANTS there to be something which has discovered 'perfect hiding' because then he has a reason to be scared. That way, he isn't scared of nothing, which is even more terrifying. The thing under the bedsheet was a manifestation of his subconscious. He's a Time Lord, after all, and he can summon that sort of thing while you or I or Clara wouldn't be able to. He needed something to be there - something to prove himself right, that there IS something to be scared about, something which could justify his fear.

                                                                                Meanwhile, Clara and Danny are scared on their date - and that's why they each tried to sabotage it, they're scared of having a relationship. Clara realises through meeting young Danny that it's okay to be scared. Therefore, she finally acknowledges she is scared and is able to move past it, instead of it being a stumbling block between her and Danny on their date.

                                                                                Now, the space thing, that's another example of the Doctor's subconscious. The whole thing is a subversion: It plays on what we already expect. If there's ever a program you expect to find one, it's Doctor Who. But this one didn't have any. We've been told for decades that monsters exist, and we expect to be shown one again. But this time we are shown something else: fear itself. So, after 700 years of living, he realises - or, at least, we see for him - that he is permanently scared. As he tells young Danny, you're aren't safe anywhere. We're presented with the psychological fallback of a guy who walks around believing aliens exist, and that they could be hiding in plain sight. He starts to believe they're there when they aren't.

                                                                                Subconsciously, he's just afraid, but he has to justify it in some way, so he tries to convince himself that such things are hiding in plain sight. After all, this is a universe which has the Weeping Angels and the Silence. It sounds like there could be invisible monsters. He believes it. We - knowing what kind of show this is - believe it too. And that's the mistake both we and the Doctor make. We are aware of certain conventions.

                                                                                I do think it should have been addressed explicitly in the episode, though. Instead of just leaving us saying, "Oh yeah, what was all that with the bedsheet?" Some people have said it will be addressed later in the series, and that's not fair, because it won't be. It should have been stated definitely that it was the power of his paranoia. Saying it was just 'nothing' is misleading, as the bedsheet DID move, but it did so with the power of an ancient Time Lord's subconscious. Some other people simply believe it was another kid - one of young Danny's friends - which means that the whole thing is misinterpreted. Of the 4.08 million who saw the episode, not everyone would have understood it, simply because it wasn't explained enough.

                                                                                Thing is with some 'it doesn't matter' type loose ends is: like the spin top scene at the end of inception. we're told constantly that it matters - it's hammered into us until, finally, we're convinced it is - and then they say, "actually, it doesn't matter". It's a slap in the face to the viewer, because we've suspended our disbelief and bought into something, and then we're basically told we were fools to do that. Mofatt just about got away with it - but only because message boards were able to explain it and basically save his bacon.

                                                                                Not sure I agree with him about the last part though, I'm perfectly alright with something not being directly explained, it makes it more interesting.

                                                                                Makes me think of Pan's Labyrinth and the idea that all of the fantasy elements are in the girl's head, but there is never any logical explanation of how she got out of the room at the end.

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                                                                                  btw, I found really good analysis of Listen from someone else on another forum.

                                                                                  Since when can The Doctor manifest things into existence?

                                                                                  Nice analysis otherwise.

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                                                                                    Starting now, maybe? The Doctor is always getting random powers. We do know that the Doctor can read and transfer thoughts into other people's minds. It might be an aspect of Time Lord psychosis. Hallucinations being projected into other's minds, since Time Lords are slightly telepathic. It's not any crazier than anything else in the show.

                                                                                    I have to watch that scene again, though….I can't remember if Clara and Rupert saw the figure on the bed at all or if it was just the Doctor. I just remember he kept telling them not to look at it.

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                                                                                      Starting now, maybe? The Doctor is always getting random powers. We do know that the Doctor can read and transfer thoughts into other people's minds. It might be an aspect of Time Lord psychosis. Hallucinations being projected into other's minds, since Time Lords are slightly telepathic. It's not any crazier than anything else in the show.

                                                                                      I have to watch that scene again, though….I can't remember if Clara and Rupert saw the figure on the bed at all or if it was just the Doctor. I just remember he kept telling them not to look at it.

                                                                                      They both definitely saw it. They saw the bed sag above them, then they definitely saw the thing under the blanket when they crawled out and stood up. Clara even talked to it for a little before we were surprised by the Doctor sitting in the chair saying that he couldn't find Wally. At the window, Rupert kept looking back at it, even though the Doc was warning him not to, and I think that Clara was even watching the reflection, too.

                                                                                      I won't say it's an impossibility, but it'd be hard for me to take if that whole thing was just a projected image from the Doctor's subconscious.

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                                                                                        There was definitely something in that scene, and ultimately, knowing what is inconsequential if it wasn't hurting anyone.

                                                                                        All the others incidents however? THOSE might have just been the Doctor's imagination playing tricks.

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                                                                                          One way you can logically explain that scene is that either that was the Doctor sitting on the bed while they were under it, or else there really was a kid in the room playing a prank. The only thing going against that idea is the way it vanishes, but that could have been a hallucinated.

                                                                                          They did say weird stuff tended to happen in that orphanage, though…so maybe there was something going on there. In any case it was very creepy!

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                                                                                            Soooo, the books. Specifically Twelfth books, which I read in the span of three days.

                                                                                            I'll try to be spoiler-free

                                                                                            ! Silhouette - easily the best one from the three. Plot that makes sense, great resolution, some amusing banter. Best part are Paternosters, who are for once real characters and not caricatures from some Sci-Fi sitcom. Vastra and Jenny never mention that they are married, and Strax is a simple-minded warrior (and not retarded potato-man he usually is). One great moment where villain tries to distract Doctor, using his past selves. - 9/10 book, only minus being Victorian England which is boring as hell.
                                                                                            ! The Blood Cell - decent one. Interesting, that it's written from first person POV. First 60% of book are very good, but then Clara Osritch stops being side character, and it kind of goes downhill from there (although, to be fair, it's not her fault). - 8/10 because main character is kinda unlikeable, and for rushed ending.
                                                                                            ! The Crawling Terror - worst one from three. Weirdly written, and kind of boring. Some good ideas, but they are underdeveloped. In the middle, Clara becomes the Doctor of sorts, and even gets her own companion, but then that goes nowhere too. Half of the book is about military personnel, which does UNIT things while specifically mentioned to not be UNIT (why is that is beyond me). - 6/10, weird decisions and smug Ostrich.

                                                                                            Also there is a suspicious line in two books from three.

                                                                                            ! It's about Clara meeting tall, dark stranger and going on long journey.
                                                                                            I can't help thinking, it's some kind of hint.

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                                                                                              I actually dislike Clara so much that it's starting to rival my love for Capaldi as The Doctor.

                                                                                              _"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron

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                                                                                                Christmas special casting announcement:

                                                                                                | Shaun of the Dead star Nick Frost, Natalie Gumede, Faye Marsay, Nathan McMullen and Michael Troughton will join Peter Capaldi and his companion Jenna Coleman in the 2014 Doctor Who Christmas Special. |

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                                                                                                    Great work…Capaldi is like, don't touch me you bowtie wearing jerk....

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                                                                                                      No War Doctor?

                                                                                                      That's going to be a bit of minutia that's going to bother me in a lot of future group shots, I think.

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                                                                                                        He made that picture in 2012…he was able to add Capaldi, but it was too difficult for him to stick the War Doctor in between the others.

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