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    • MagiciteKefka
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      Just curious, are you all watching the DVDs? The reason I'm asking is that I really wanna get started on watching most, if not all, of the classic episodes. The ones that still exist anyway. I was just curious where the best way of doing that is.

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        @MagiciteKefka:

        Just curious, are you all watching the DVDs? The reason I'm asking is that I really wanna get started on watching most, if not all, of the classic episodes. The ones that still exist anyway. I was just curious where the best way of doing that is.

        I found most of the episodes I have on torrents. The only ones I wasn't able to find were the Patrick Troughton ones, which I have on DVD.

        Rappin' Chopper:

        "Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"

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          @MagiciteKefka:

          Just curious, are you all watching the DVDs? The reason I'm asking is that I really wanna get started on watching most, if not all, of the classic episodes. The ones that still exist anyway. I was just curious where the best way of doing that is.

          You can find a few on Netflix, but I think pretty much all of them are on Dailymotion, which is how I've been watching it.

          As for the DVDs, I'd love to buy them and support the creators, but an average of $30 per serial is just ridiculous.

          [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
          I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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            I usually buy the dvds at around $20. I'll hardly purchase anything above that range.

            Also, if anyone is buying audios, I recommend buying them from their official site rather than amazon. Amazon will have them around $15 each, while on the Big Finish website it's about $7. Or $3 if you're just downloading.

            And, of course, there's always the other free alternative.

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              The dvd's are the best experience, but then it's easy for me to buy them since I'm in the uk. They generally start at the equivalent of $22 and go down after a few months have passed.

              Pretty sad to think that the line's probably ending in Jan when Moonbase is released(excepting the eventual underwater menace release). Hopefully Tenth Planet, Ice Warriors & Moonbase do well enough sales wise that we get at least Crusade with animation.

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                I've finished the 6th Doctor's run…

                ! …and, yeah, it's just not a very good run. Not that it's Colin Baker's fault. No, in fact I think he did a great job as The Doctor. The problem is, of course, the writing. I don't know what the writers were on, but pretty much the entirety of Season 22 was a complete dud. Season 23 was definitely an improvement, and it had an interesting season-long arc, but I suppose it was too little too late to save Baker's run on the show. Now, as for Baker, as I said before, I think he actually did a great job as The Doctor; that is, when he wasn't acting like a douchebag, which, thankfully, was a good minority of the time. Yes, he certainly got off to a shaky start, but he soon proved that he had a lively, eccentric charm and wit that made him quite endearing. In fact, I think he might be one of my favorite Doctors, tacky outfit notwithstanding. It's just such a shame he had to be confined to such tripe. Well, there's always the audio books.
                ! Episodes:
                ! The Twin Dilemma - Just awful. The worst characterization The Doctor has ever been given, and a plot containing two bratty kids, Jabba the Slug, space police, and none of it is at all interesting.
                ! Attack of the Cybermen - Not very good. A plot that seems done before, the return of an unmemorable and uninteresting character, and the Crions; a race to creepy that I wish they really had all been wiped out.
                ! Vengeance on Varos - Probably the best of Baker's run. Interesting plot, interesting scenarios, and some really tense moments.
                ! The Mark of the Rani - Eh, just decent I guess. I didn't think the plot or the Rani was that interesting, though it may have been a bad move to have her share the spotlight with The Master.
                ! The Two Doctors - At first, I thought the first two episodes were okay, but the third was awful. In retrospect, though, the villain's plan and motivation was confusing, the Sontarans were unnecessary and incompetent, there was a really dumb and tasteless death scene, and did this serial really need to be three episodes (2 hours and 15 minutes) long? Sorry, but even Patrick Troughton returning couldn't save it.
                ! Timelash - As I said before, this episode, I thought, was actually kinda decent. That is, until the last 15 minutes, which had some of the most atrocious padding I've ever seen.
                ! Revelation of the Daleks - Pretty ridiculous, and there were way too many subplots running around. But, I dunno, this serial was too goofy and lively for me to really hate.
                ! The Mysterious Planet - Definitely a solid episode. Set up an interesting premise for the season to come and the story itself was fine. Maybe not the most memorable of episodes, but still darn good.
                ! Mindwarp - A bit of a step down from Mysterious Planet, but I'd say it was still good. Not sure why they decided to bring back Sil, who was definitely the weak link of Varos, but the serial also had Brian Blessed, so it gets bonus points for that.
                ! Terror of the Vervoids - Story-wise, I didn't think it was that bad, but…yeah, those aliens with the genital faces are really hard to get past.
                ! The Ultimate Foe - And now we finally get the Valeyard who, honestly, I didn't think was too terribly interesting as a villain, but the story was still interesting and it had some tense moments. And Glitz is actually a pretty fun character.
                ! Favorite Episodes:
                -Vengeance on Varos
                -The Mysterious Planet
                -Mindwarp
                -The Ultimate Foe

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                I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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                  Holy crap this is awesome!

                  http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/10/bbc-america-to-simulcast-doctor-who-50th-anniversary-special/

                  I hope this means NO COMMERCIALS!

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                    Watched Time and the Rani. Not great but better then Paradise Towers in my book. Granted the Rani dressing up as Mel makes her look far more pathetic then even the Master during his debut series where he gets his asked kicked in every story of season 8 and then still comes back for more next week. At least he never dressed up to pretend he was a companion (to my knowledge). The Rani herself is kind of a meh villain in this one, and it's the first time I've seen her to boot so not great first impression.

                    I will say that the bat things she has as lackeys look farily good, it's nice to get some henchemen that don't just have a weird skin colour for once.

                    ! Genesis of the Daleks
                    Pyramids of Mars
                    City of Death
                    The Pilot
                    The Three Doctors
                    Robots of Death
                    The Brain of Morbius
                    The Face of Evil
                    Spearhead from Space
                    Day of the Daleks
                    The Curse of Peladon
                    The Mutants
                    The Daemons
                    The Silurians
                    Inferno
                    Colony in Space
                    The Green Death
                    ​The Ambassadors of Death
                    Revenge of the Cybermen
                    Terror of the Zygons
                    The Sea Devils
                    Ghost Light
                    The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
                    Dragonfire
                    The Curse of Fenric
                    The Sontaran Experiment
                    Planet of Evil
                    The Time Warrior
                    The Time Monster
                    The Claws of Axos
                    The Mind of Evil
                    Terror of the Autons
                    Meglos
                    Vengeance on Varos
                    Carnival of Monsters
                    The Creature from the Pit
                    Happiness Patrol
                    Time and the Rani
                    Silver Nemesis
                    Delta and the Bannermen
                    Paradise Towers
                    Nightmare of Eden
                    Image of the Fendahl

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                      So, supposedly 106 lost 1st and 2nd Doctor episodes where found in Ethiopia, including: The Crusade, The Enemy of the World and The Ice Warriors series. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/106-doctor-who-episodes-uncovered-2343474 I'll believe it when I see it. >_>

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                        So, supposedly 106 lost 1st and 2nd Doctor episodes where found in Ethiopia, including: The Crusade, The Enemy of the World and The Ice Warriors series. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/106-doctor-who-episodes-uncovered-2343474 I'll believe it when I see it. >_>

                        Yeah, not even gonna pay attention to this. If it was like 2, maybe 3 then I'd believe it, but like this ? I'll consider it if actual proof comes along.

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                          @Nex:

                          So, supposedly 106 lost 1st and 2nd Doctor episodes where found in Ethiopia, including: The Crusade, The Enemy of the World and The Ice Warriors series. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/106-doctor-who-episodes-uncovered-2343474 I'll believe it when I see it. >_>

                          106? So… Just about all of them?

                          Yeah, I totally believe that.

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                            106? So… Just about all of them?

                            Yeah, I totally believe that.

                            Also, they got the full version of Shada as well.

                            Cause at this point that's about as likely. :ninja:

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                            Just finished Timelash. The bad guy's taken a rather long time to properly show up, plus I found his plan a bit convoluted, and the way he got taken down was a bit underwhelming, hoped for the Doctor to at least show him into that vortex thing with a bit of grace not just kinda bump into him and run off.

                            The Timelash itself actually didn't have much to do with the story, to be honest and I do feel the setup was similar to Varos in some respects but not explored as well. Still, all ties in to the Third Doctor, which is always good.

                            ! Genesis of the Daleks
                            Pyramids of Mars
                            City of Death
                            The Pilot
                            The Three Doctors
                            Robots of Death
                            The Brain of Morbius
                            The Face of Evil
                            Spearhead from Space
                            Day of the Daleks
                            The Curse of Peladon
                            The Mutants
                            The Daemons
                            The Silurians
                            Inferno
                            Colony in Space
                            The Green Death
                            ​The Ambassadors of Death
                            Revenge of the Cybermen
                            Terror of the Zygons
                            The Sea Devils
                            Ghost Light
                            The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
                            Dragonfire
                            The Curse of Fenric
                            The Sontaran Experiment
                            Planet of Evil
                            The Time Warrior
                            The Time Monster
                            The Claws of Axos
                            The Mind of Evil
                            Terror of the Autons
                            Meglos
                            Vengeance on Varos
                            Carnival of Monsters
                            Timelash
                            The Creature from the Pit
                            Happiness Patrol
                            Time and the Rani
                            Silver Nemesis
                            Delta and the Bannermen
                            Paradise Towers
                            Nightmare of Eden
                            Image of the Fendahl

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                              Oh god, has that stupid rumor cropped up AGAIN? That was debunked months ago.

                              Its not that the episodes are missing, its that they were erased, and we have records on all of them. Obviously things get shuffled and mislabeled and moved around so a chance of one or two randomly popping up (as happened with underwater menace a couple years ago) is there, but… the big great hope of lost footage in Africa, at BEST, amounts to about 20 episodes that were sent that direction... and none of it the Troughton stuff.

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                                This does have a bit more weight to it, as the radio times is covering part of the story (106 is patently absurd as some of the DMP eps were never sent overseas), and the mirror has an invite to an DW event on tuesday, so we'll know then one way or t'other.

                                fingers crossed for power #1

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                                  So am I the only one who thinks Timelash wasn't terrible, or anywhere near the levels of Paradise Towers ? Same with Time and the Rani, it's not really good and the villain herself sucks but it has some good points.

                                  Because I find it odd how the people on Shadowlocked will find things to praise on PT and reason enough to give it an overall positive review, but badmouth T&TR completely ?

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                                    I'd agree with whoever shadowlocked is. Hated timelash, liked PT to an extent - mccoy is always fun to watch and the script was good.

                                    When I watch PT I always see things that could have been done better.
                                    When I watch timela…I don't watch timelash.

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                                      Welp, I just got done watching The Happiness Patrol for the first time since I was a child, and had a surprising amount of fun watching it, that said, McCoy's still my favourite Doctor, followed closely by Troughton, and Sabalom Glitz is still a strangely likeable character, ship over tons of dead people mourning aside, ha.

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                                        Gilbert & Kandyman's bickering cracks me up every time.

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                                          @Darkstorm:

                                          I'd agree with whoever shadowlocked is. Hated timelash, liked PT to an extent - mccoy is always fun to watch and the script was good.

                                          When I watch PT I always see things that could have been done better.
                                          When I watch timela…I don't watch timelash.

                                          What's so bad about TL ? I mean it's retreading ground the series passed many times before, but beyond how annoying Wells is, which sort of justifies the Doctor treating him the way he does, I don't see much that was too bad. The villain design looked nice and the system of goverment on whatever that planet was called is at least not as suicidally counterproductive as on Varos 😛 (Varos is still a better story though).

                                          Another thing I wanted to point out, people criticise the Sixth Doctor for being too antagonistic towards other people but both times I've seen so far he was either nearly killed by mental hallucinations and threw the guy into an acid pit by accident (and the guy wanted to throw him in there), and he also had no idea what it even was, and in this episode you have Herbert being well and truly useless and irritating in the face of imminent death, which I think also sort of warrants the Doctor snapping at him.

                                          Still a much better (sort of) adaption of The Time Machine then the 2002 movie.

                                          And another note: it's pretty sad that the blue cyborg guys in this story, even with the voices they have, look much less stupid then the Andorians from Enterprise.

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                                          Welp, I just got done watching The Happiness Patrol for the first time since I was a child, and had a surprising amount of fun watching it, that said, McCoy's still my favourite Doctor, followed closely by Troughton, and Sabalom Glitz is still a strangely likeable character, ship over tons of dead people mourning aside, ha.

                                          May I be bold enough to ask where Jon Pertwee sits on your list ?

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                                            Also, I'm confusing my stories, I watched Dragonfire immediately before, gah. Hence the reference to Glitz.
                                            But yeah, the Kandyman, for its appearance, is quite the fun villain, along with Gilbert.

                                            As for Pertwee, for all the flak he gets for being overly authoritarian, his quirks more than make up for it, karate chopping random UNIT mooks included, ha.

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                                              @CalMc123:

                                              Also, I'm confusing my stories, I watched Dragonfire immediately before, gah. Hence the reference to Glitz.
                                              But yeah, the Kandyman, for its appearance, is quite the fun villain, along with Gilbert.

                                              As for Pertwee, for all the flak he gets for being overly authoritarian, his quirks more than make up for it, karate chopping random UNIT mooks included, ha.

                                              I wouldn't say authoritarian but when he does get a bit high and mighty the script immediately has him get back to earth, hard. Remember the end of Inferno ?

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                                                I wouldn't say authoritarian but when he does get a bit high and mighty the script immediately has him get back to earth, hard. Remember the end of Inferno ?

                                                Hah, quite, watching that serial's always a pleasure. But yeah, perhaps it wasn't quite the word I was looking for. Still, overall I rate Pertwee's Doctor quite highly. On top of that, he's seen with my favourite Master, Delgado, and their dynamic is just great to watch.

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                                                  What's so bad about TL ?

                                                  The plot, the direction & the sets. 😕
                                                  The script especially was lazy, felt like saward put it together when he was asleep. Peri suddenly knew stuff that had happened before she joined.
                                                  Tekker was good though

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                                                  Another thing I wanted to point out, people criticise the Sixth Doctor for being too antagonistic towards other people but both times I've seen so far he was either nearly killed by mental hallucinations and threw the guy into an acid pit by accident (and the guy wanted to throw him in there), and he also had no idea what it even was, and in this episode you have Herbert being well and truly useless and irritating in the face of imminent death, which I think also sort of warrants the Doctor snapping at him.

                                                  It doesn't make it fun to watch though.

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                                                    So am I the only one who thinks Timelash wasn't terrible, or anywhere near the levels of Paradise Towers ? Same with Time and the Rani, it's not really good and the villain herself sucks but it has some good points.

                                                    As I said before, I didn't think Timelash was that bad until the last 15 minutes.

                                                    Paradise Towers was awful. Time and the Rani was bad, but not as bad as PT.

                                                    Also, I watched Happiness Patrol for the first time yesterday, and while I wouldn't say it's all together good, it did have some bits that I liked. And is it just me or did the Candyman costume look like it was taped together?

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                                                      I assumed it was sewn together with liquorice.

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                                                        The plot, the direction & the sets. 😕
                                                        The script especially was lazy, felt like saward put it together when he was asleep. Peri suddenly knew stuff that had happened before she joined.
                                                        Tekker was good though

                                                        It doesn't make it fun to watch though.

                                                        I find it relateable to have a Doctor who lets off some steam under pressure, I don't think it's a change entirely for the worse.

                                                        Speaking of Peri, her accent is starting to annoy me.

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                                                        As I said before, I didn't think Timelash was that bad until the last 15 minutes.

                                                        Paradise Towers was awful. Time and the Rani was bad, but not as bad as PT.

                                                        Also, I watched Happiness Patrol for the first time yesterday, and while I wouldn't say it's all together good, it did have some bits that I liked. And is it just me or did the Candyman costume look like it was taped together?

                                                        Do you know the Kandyman design was apparently based off of an actual mascot which resulted in owner of said copyright sueing/attempting to sue the BBC from what I read ?

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                                                          Yeah, the Kandyman bears a resemblance to Bertie Bassett, a mascot for a bunch of sweets I was never quite fond of, Liqourice Allsorts I believe.

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                                                            Okay, so the overblown rumor FINALLY has some weight. STILL COMPLETELY UNCONFIRMED THOUGH.

                                                            As I was writing this piece, The Radio Times made it official. Missing Doctor Who episodes, originating from the Patrick Troughton era have been discovered, and will be made available digitally this week. I have been told to expect they are from Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear.

                                                            They are believed to originate from a haul discovered in Africa and have been digitally remastered for sale, although exact details remain sketchy.

                                                            A BBC Worldwide spokesman refused to officially confirm the discovery or the “speculation” around further missing episodes.

                                                            It is understood that other episodes have also been found, although it is not yet known whether these will be made available.

                                                            So. A handful of episodes. Which was always sort of possible.

                                                            But nowhere near 100. (Crazy hopes for the Ethiopia haul and all, only 77 went out there. While that number would obviously be crazy amazing find, its just… not going to be that high. I suppose its possible they actually did find a big stockpile of footage, but not all of it "lost" episodes... would help explain the high number of the perpetual rumors.)

                                                            There'll be an official announcement from BBC Tuesday.

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                                                              While it would've been awesome to see 100 episodes uncovered, it seemed too perfect to be true, considering the 50th and all.

                                                              @No:

                                                              Also, they got the full version of Shada as well.

                                                              Cause at this point that's about as likely. :ninja:

                                                              Although I know this is just a joke, I just want to throw it out there for everyone and say that the novelization is the best way to enjoy Shada, as far as I'm aware (I haven't seen the flash audio version with McGann yet). The DVD version is (understandably) awkward, with Tom narrating the missing sequences, and a few minor details are left with no explanation within the episode at all. While it keeps the main story intact, it's a killer on the flow and suspense, such as the big reveal being narrated over some still images.

                                                              That being said, I really liked the story and I loved the book, even if you can tell the writing changes every so often, since Gareth Roberts is essentially stitching and filling in the blanks.

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                                                                Hopefully when they mention Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear, they don't just mean that, like, part 2 and 5 have been found or something. It would be rather nice to get a few more actual complete stories from that era of the show…

                                                                ...said the guy who has not seen a single complete Patrick Troughton serial and who isn't all that big a fan of Classic Who anyway.

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                                                                  Enemy of the World would be fantastic! It is my second favorite serial of the show.

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                                                                    ahahahaha, apparently the conference is now friday.

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                                                                    I find it relateable to have a Doctor who lets off some steam under pressure, I don't think it's a change entirely for the worse.

                                                                    Speaking of Peri, her accent is starting to annoy me.

                                                                    Heh, given her audial issues you may appreciate the way she departs

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                                                                      So I just read something from possibly the least reliable source ever, aka a Youtube-comment, and then I went and Googled it to see if there was any validity at all to what this Youtuber claimed…
                                                                      Steven Moffat on how the Eleventh Doctor will face his regeneration.
                                                                      …That description is sounding an awful lot like End of Time all over again. I am not particularly thrilled at that idea. Which is to say, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. SERIOUSLY.

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                                                                        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063

                                                                        Also, current rumours still reckon 9 eps from Enemy & Web.

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                                                                          So I just read something from possibly the least reliable source ever, aka a Youtube-comment, and then I went and Googled it to see if there was any validity at all to what this Youtuber claimed…
                                                                          Steven Moffat on how the Eleventh Doctor will face his regeneration.
                                                                          …That description is sounding an awful lot like End of Time all over again. I am not particularly thrilled at that idea. Which is to say, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. SERIOUSLY.

                                                                          Given that Smith's doctor has not only had a 200 year run, (As opposed to 10's… three or four years... most of his time was trackable by companion ) but has been completely comfortable with the idea of regeneration at least twice, AND been ready to face his actual death (not just regeneration) makes me think it would have to be much more situation sensitive to make this Doctor worried about it than Tennant's was.

                                                                          The phrasing Moffatt uses, like "horrors" and "rewritten" give it a particular slant. Given that he's now dealing with the 8.5 doctor (the one so awful he had to be hidden from memory, records, and not talked about)... he could have problems with his impending regeneration for a lot of reasons.

                                                                          It will be his last for one... (barring bonus regens that we as an audience know he's going to get eventually cause its a tv show) and he KNOWS other bad things are coming that he hasn't set off yet, like the silence, the neverending war and the Valeyard.

                                                                          He has legitimate reason to be worried this time, other than just "this form is going to die" because he KNOWS that that his next and final body is probably going to be a nasty, not so good person that does bad things that his first 12 wouldn't really agree with.

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                                                                            Also, hasn't the Doctor been in this very incarnation for like 2000 years or something? I'm sure Moffat has mentioned that after he left Amy and Rory behind he just roamed the universe for a very long time. That probably makes him a bit hesitant to leave that form behind.

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                                                                              @Darkstorm:

                                                                              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063

                                                                              Also, current rumours still reckon 9 eps from Enemy & Web.

                                                                              If it's nine episodes, then that means they're just one short of completing both serials. Darn.

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                                                                                @MagiciteKefka:

                                                                                Also, hasn't the Doctor been in this very incarnation for like 2000 years or something? I'm sure Moffat has mentioned that after he left Amy and Rory behind he just roamed the universe for a very long time. That probably makes him a bit hesitant to leave that form behind.

                                                                                It was 200 years during the "the doctor will die at lake silencio" season, and he had a long grand tour there until he checked up on the brigadier.

                                                                                He might have spent more time roaming after leaving Amy and Rory before the christmas special, but I don't think a time was ever specified… and I don't think he could brood more than a few months. It definitely wasn't 2000 years, that would have stuck out, and even the Doctor ages, and that would be more than all his other lives combined.

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                                                                                  @Nobodyman:

                                                                                  If it's nine episodes, then that means they're just one short of completing both serials. Darn.

                                                                                  Yeah, the talk is there's still one missing web ep.

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                                                                                    It was 200 years during the "the doctor will die at lake silencio" season, and he had a long grand tour there until he checked up on the brigadier.

                                                                                    He might have spent more time roaming after leaving Amy and Rory before the christmas special, but I don't think a time was ever specified… and I don't think he could brood more than a few months. It definitely wasn't 2000 years, that would have stuck out, and even the Doctor ages, and that would be more than all his other lives combined.

                                                                                    I could just be thinking of the 200 year gap there, yeah. Anyway, my point is, this incarnation is probably one of the ones he's been in the longest, hence I can understand if he's gonna be a bit hesitant to leave it behind.

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                                                                                      Just finished the rest of the first serial, usually reffered to collectively as "An Unearthly Child". I however will rank the first episode and episodes 2-4 seperately, as the pilot had nothing to do with the plot of the caveman storyline, outside of getting to said location at the end of said pilot. So I'm gonna file the latter as "100,000 BC" in my ranking that no ones gives a damn about except me.

                                                                                      I found the story alright even if the cavemen were huge dicks. Not only did the Doctor and his group save Za's life, but they also gave them fire, and yet Za still wants to keep them prisoner permanently, for absolutely no reason. Makes me think the Doctor was fully justified when he considered caving the douchebag's skull in, and yes that's mostly a joke 😛

                                                                                      I only found one part dragged out too much, and that was, except the first episode (read: Cave of Skulls) where there were like five minutes of Za going "Kal can't make fire, I am leader, I can make fire, Kal can't make fire" etc. Awfully talkative for a literal caveman isn't he ?

                                                                                      Ranking this one highly, above Face of Evil, mainly because the narrative has a simplicity to it that means the characters are the focus for quite a big chunk of the stor.

                                                                                      ! Genesis of the Daleks
                                                                                      Pyramids of Mars
                                                                                      City of Death
                                                                                      The Pilot
                                                                                      The Three Doctors
                                                                                      Robots of Death
                                                                                      The Brain of Morbius
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                                                                                      The Face of Evil
                                                                                      Spearhead from Space
                                                                                      Day of the Daleks
                                                                                      The Curse of Peladon
                                                                                      The Mutants
                                                                                      The Daemons
                                                                                      The Silurians
                                                                                      Inferno
                                                                                      Colony in Space
                                                                                      The Green Death
                                                                                      ​The Ambassadors of Death
                                                                                      Revenge of the Cybermen
                                                                                      Terror of the Zygons
                                                                                      The Sea Devils
                                                                                      Ghost Light
                                                                                      The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
                                                                                      Dragonfire
                                                                                      The Curse of Fenric
                                                                                      The Sontaran Experiment
                                                                                      Planet of Evil
                                                                                      The Time Warrior
                                                                                      The Time Monster
                                                                                      The Claws of Axos
                                                                                      The Mind of Evil
                                                                                      Terror of the Autons
                                                                                      Meglos
                                                                                      Vengeance on Varos
                                                                                      Carnival of Monsters
                                                                                      Timelash
                                                                                      The Creature from the Pit
                                                                                      Happiness Patrol
                                                                                      Time and the Rani
                                                                                      Silver Nemesis
                                                                                      Delta and the Bannermen
                                                                                      Paradise Towers
                                                                                      Nightmare of Eden
                                                                                      Image of the Fendahl

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                                                                                        I'll always stick by Ten's regeneration. I thought it was beautiful and quite emotionally moving. And an interesting spin compared to the typical facing death like it doesn't mean anything because the character is cool and badass and whatnot.

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                                                                                          I'll always stick by Ten's regeneration. I thought it was beautiful and quite emotionally moving. And an interesting spin compared to the typical facing death like it doesn't mean anything because the character is cool and badass and whatnot.

                                                                                          Except

                                                                                          1. he wasn't dying
                                                                                          2. It was the tenth time he'd done it
                                                                                          3. It was a waaay more slow and peaceful regen than most of the previous times
                                                                                          4. Other timelords treat it like nothing at all

                                                                                          Yes, he knows he'll be changing some of what he was currently, but it was off for him to to be the first one after 9 others to whine about it.

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                                                                                            I always liked Ten's interpretation that what was happening to him was actual death, something the other Doctors could never appreciate. Because, let's be fair, the whole regeneration thing is a bit of a cheat, a plot device to a) insert drama and b)lets the production team replace actors when needed. I like to think that all the other doctors were idiots on that point and that ten was the only one smart enough to realize that they were actually dying. Either way, I appreciate it gives some sort of impact and gravitas to what should be a more serious situation and not just a plot device. Besides, he wasn't just losing his sense of self, he was losing the emotional connections he had made up to that point (which is going to be admittedly undermined in the 50th anniversary).

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                                                                                              Except

                                                                                              1. he wasn't dying
                                                                                              2. It was the tenth time he'd done it
                                                                                              3. It was a waaay more slow and peaceful regen than most of the previous times
                                                                                              4. Other timelords treat it like nothing at all

                                                                                              Yes, he knows he'll be changing some of what he was currently, but it was off for him to to be the first one after 9 others to whine about it.

                                                                                              yeah but he mentioned before, he liked this current version of himself, and even if he did regen, it'd be some new person walkin off etc

                                                                                              I liked the regen as well…albeit it was technically my first one

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                                                                                                Of all of them, Eccleston's is the only one I particularly "like".

                                                                                                Although the story leading up to Troughton's (The War Games) is the best regen serial.

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                                                                                                  Besides, he wasn't just losing his sense of self, he was losing the emotional connections he had made up to that point (which is going to be admittedly undermined in the 50th anniversary).

                                                                                                  Was never an issue with Brigadier, Sarah Jane, or even… ugh... Rose.

                                                                                                  He's carried over interaction and bond with plenty of companions. Hell, often regeneration leads to him getting along better with people. Especially Romana.

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                                                                                                    As far as the regeneration serials go, Id rank the ones I've seen from best to worst:

                                                                                                    The War Games
                                                                                                    Planet of the Spiders
                                                                                                    The Caves of Androzani
                                                                                                    Parting of the Ways
                                                                                                    The Tenth Planet

                                                                                                    Rappin' Chopper:

                                                                                                    "Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"

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                                                                                                      Story leaking out of the still-embargoed press conference is indeed 5 from enemy & 4 from web (web missing one ep)

                                                                                                      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?safe=off&biw=1152&bih=588&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenorthernecho.co.uk%2Fnews%2F10732000._Lost__Dr_Who_serial_found_gathering_dust_abroad%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenorthernecho.co.uk%2Fnews%2F10732000._Lost__Dr_Who_serial_found_gathering_dust_abroad%2F&gs_l=hp.3…13670.15872.1.16309.6.6.0.0.0.2.173.472.0j3.3.0....2...1c.1.27.psy-ab..7.0.0.ZAWEn20sZEw&pbx=1

                                                                                                      Article's been taken down now, and it confusingly talks about web both being complete and having one ep missing. I'd go with the later since that gels with what has been floating around for a while

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                                                                                                        Just finished The Daleks. Was spoiled on some of the plot by Nash's review of the movie adaption with Peter Cushing, but still overal enjoyable.

                                                                                                        ! Genesis of the Daleks
                                                                                                        Pyramids of Mars
                                                                                                        City of Death
                                                                                                        The Pilot
                                                                                                        The Three Doctors
                                                                                                        Robots of Death
                                                                                                        The Daleks
                                                                                                        The Brain of Morbius
                                                                                                        100 000 BC
                                                                                                        The Face of Evil
                                                                                                        Spearhead from Space
                                                                                                        Day of the Daleks
                                                                                                        The Curse of Peladon
                                                                                                        The Mutants
                                                                                                        The Daemons
                                                                                                        The Silurians
                                                                                                        Inferno
                                                                                                        Colony in Space
                                                                                                        The Green Death
                                                                                                        ​The Ambassadors of Death
                                                                                                        Revenge of the Cybermen
                                                                                                        Terror of the Zygons
                                                                                                        The Sea Devils
                                                                                                        Ghost Light
                                                                                                        The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
                                                                                                        Dragonfire
                                                                                                        The Curse of Fenric
                                                                                                        The Sontaran Experiment
                                                                                                        Planet of Evil
                                                                                                        The Time Warrior
                                                                                                        The Time Monster
                                                                                                        The Claws of Axos
                                                                                                        The Mind of Evil
                                                                                                        Terror of the Autons
                                                                                                        Meglos
                                                                                                        Vengeance on Varos
                                                                                                        Carnival of Monsters
                                                                                                        Timelash
                                                                                                        The Creature from the Pit
                                                                                                        Happiness Patrol
                                                                                                        Time and the Rani
                                                                                                        Silver Nemesis
                                                                                                        Delta and the Bannermen
                                                                                                        Paradise Towers
                                                                                                        Nightmare of Eden
                                                                                                        Image of the Fendahl

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