I believe there are actually some elements of truth to this. Woud make sense and would make for actual interesting twists.
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Thing of The Kingdome Divided into 3 parts that Represent the 3 Types of DF is similar to BlackBEard Pirates Falg having a 3 headed Skull, And its Possible that BB have a Zoan Type which allowed him to gain the 2 other Powers which are Logia And Paramecia.
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It's worth reading, because it doesn't not make sense, but it's very likely to be wrong. Ancientbeard lol.
I don't know why, but I've never thought of there being a story about one person of the ancient kingdom. Oda probably does have a story about an individual in that era who was a iconic figure such as the king, or a survivor who had kids to carry down the will of D.
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Well up until ancientbeard gets into blackbeard I was right with you or at least willing to accept it as legit.
BUT there is just no reason in hell why blackbeard would have outright told either whitebeard, marco or Ace about his ancientbeardyness.
So neither marco nor ace nor whitebeard could have known about it.Even so Ancientbeard is a great idea.
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The Number Twenty-three!!!!!!
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I though the first 5 or so paragraphs were really quite good, however after that it got abit silly, lol.
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Yeah, it does sound like a complete fanfic but it's simple enough that Oda could do it. I think I've read the format of that story in a different manga already though.
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Ancientbeard will have an eye-patch. You heard it here first!!!
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After coming back her at the end of the day, I'm glad OP is cool with me saying it's all speculation and not being a stupid fanboy/girl and defending his/her theory to the death (some people in some corners of the internets will do this… we once had such a fellow in the Next Crewmate Thread before it reached its current incarnation). Like I said earlier, some parts of this sound good, and it's kept simple enough the couple bad points I feel are there (aside from lack of explaining why WG doesn't know where weapon is, random haki knocking DFs out of ancientbeard, and why Dragon isn't carrying the ancient rebel's Will of D.) could conceivably be worked right by Oda into something not as bad as they sound.
Basically I think Oda could have some way of making the three kingdoms with DF type powers not sound like something I've read somewhere else (I don't know where, but I realize that's what felt off about it) and make Ancientbeard powerful (having all DFs) without overdoing that power (like haxxeyes in Naruto or Aizen in Bleach yawn). In the end though, I don't really have any expectations or theories on the Void Century atm. I'm waiting for Oda to show us so I can be happy w/ it w/o worrying if my theory or expectations were right.
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I posted this on another forum but I thought I'd register here and see what you guys here at AP think. So this'll be my first post.
Ok, let's get this straight. People with 'D' in their name are special in some way. Roger told Whitebeard what it was, and the one big clue is this tiny panel…
So from THIS we know that 'D' is related to something long, long ago
Whitebeard's final words, translated by CNet.
Whitebeard: You are not the one…...... / pant // pant
Whitebeard: The man who Roger was waiting for... / ...was not you, Teach, at the very least...
Whitebeard: Just as there are those who have inherited Roger's will... // ...Ace's will too will someday be inherited by others... / pant / You may eradicate his bloodline, but "their" flames will never die... // ...For many ages, they have been passed down through the generations without fail.........!! / pant / And someday... bearing the weight of all those centuries upon his back... / ...a man will come forth to challenge this world.........!!! Whitebeard's final words, translated by CNet.Marco talking about Blackbeard, by CNet.
Marco: For an "ordinary human", it most certainly is. / But as you all know, Teach isn't like most people…!! // There's something different about him... about his body!! Is that how he managed to achieve this.........?!! Marco talking about Blackbeard, by CNet.
Things we can take from this:
1. Teach is not the one who is carrying "Roger's Will"
2. Ace's bloodline has been eradicated, yet his 'flame' will never die. It will continue in another 'generation'
3. Teach is not an ordinary human. Not because of his devil fruit, but because he is a D. Nowhere is it mentioned that his devil fruit has anything to do with it. Perhaps his Devil Fruit simply allows him to absorb the powers out of a body, but it is not the cause of him being able to use two devil fruits.So who is carrying Roger's Will? Well, this is really obvious by now, isn't it?
Everyone who knew Gol. D Roger mentions how much Luffy seems to remind them of Roger. Smiling at Loguetown like Roger. Gan Fall talks of Luffy making the same impression that Gol D. Roger did on him… There are so many examples and references so I'm not going to go into them. Shanks says how much Luffy reminds him of Roger... etc.
Luffy has Roger's Will. This is undeniable.
Ok Eustass, Luffy has Roger's Will. That's not really big news. What are you getting at?
Do you not see?
Teach doesn't have "Roger's Will"
"Ace's Will" will be reborn in another generation, in the future.
Luffy has "Roger's Will"The concept of souls is present in One Piece. Brook is proof of this. And in our real-world concept of souls, what is the one thing that comes up for us mortals who believe in the concept of souls?
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Past lives.
What the fuck are you talking about Eustass?
Let's study some OP world timeline fellow Ohara Library scholars.
22 Years ago = Roger Dies
17 Years ago = Luffy is born.You must be shitting me. Are you telling us that Luffy is Roger's fucking reincarnation?!
Ace also seemed to have said to Blackbeard during their meeting something like "TWICE the life", whatever that may mean, when talking to Teach.
Wait, so basically when Whitebeard says that 'Ace's Will' will be reborn in another generation…
Just like our buddhist friends believed, he will reincarnate in the future, he will forget his past lives, and he will live another life, as a D.
Luffy is Roger's reincarnation?! This is too unreal.
Dr Kureha: “ So it still lives… The will of D. ”
It's basically like the story of the fall of Atlantis. A great civilisation dominates the planet from one corner to the next, great weapons of mass destruction are built. In the same century, they also disappear under mysterious circumstances, leaving indestructible poneglyphs…
Somehow, someway, these D's are the reincarnation of the people of the old Ancient Kingdom, who have come into the current timeline to set things right.
Can you not see? NOTICE how the World Government hunts down anyone related to Roger. They know the great danger these people pose to the status quo.
Whitebeard: Sengoku… You people of the World Government... / ...are living in fear... of that great battle that will someday engulf the entire world!!!
Somehow, someway, the D's appear again and again in the OP timeline to set things right. It will take the form of a great war, and the World Government desperately slaughters anyone who can read the poneglyphs.
Clover: If we assume those people were wiped out by some "enemy," it means those enemies should have survived later in history. Coincidentally enough… 800 years ago, at the end of the Lost 100 Years, was the precise birth of today's "World Government." If the enemy of those eradicated peoples is our World Government, then the "Lost 100 Years" could easily be a piece of INCONVENIENT HISTORY that the World Government needed to stamp out...!!! From the ancient writings of the few Poneglyphs we HAVE found, we have learned of the existence of a nation... One which no longer exists in any form, but still appears in those messages. An ENORMOUS KINGDOM...!!
They seem to have held great power once, but the information about this kingdom has been carefully erased. As they knew of their imminent defeat by the alliance that would later be called the World Government, they carved the truth into stone, to give to the future. Those are the Poneglyphs that still exist today...!!!The World Government basically did a number of unphantomable, nastly, evil things in the past to break the Ancient Kingdom, which was a good Kingdom. The World Government's ancestors wanted to control the world, and they suceeded(Hence why they are called the 'World' Government). But even though the World Government annihilated the Ancient Kingdom, somehow, someway, these people keep being reborn into the future as D's.
Whitebeard: And someday… bearing the weight of all those centuries upon his back... / ...a man will come forth to challenge this world.........!!!
And that man is Luffy of course! Roger's reincarnation, in person.
And this is a war that has been going on for nearly a thousand years, across many, many generations.
And the same characters show up again and again.
And they will not ever give up until the World Government is overthrown and things are set right. Generation after generation they are reborn.
D's are people of the Ancient Kingdom, reborn into the future over and over.
This is all very closely related to buddhism and the concept of souls, but it is what it is.
And lastly… what about Teach?
Indeed... he is a D. He is the only evil D we know. He is an enigma of a man... and I theorize that he is the person who caused the fall of the Ancient Kingdom, 800 years ago. The great traitor. But this is only a theory.
Teach, the one evil D, but also somehow very aware of his own uniqueness. Notice how he doesn't have a care in the world, how he "leaves things to fate". He KNOWS. He knows he is unique. He knows he has lived this many times before, perhaps subconsciously, but he KNOWS.
This does not at all make Luffy a clone of Roger or anything like that. But it means that he does have traits that were associated with Roger (Because he WAS Roger, he just doesn't know it.) It's tough to explain this as this is a more metaphysical concept which many of you may not have studied in any depth, but it is related very, very closely to buddhism.
Incidently, Oda directly mentions buddha a few times throughout the manga. Iva. Sengoku's name. Sengoku's giant form. And no wonder he does. Buddhism is the most popular religion in Japan.
I am reminded of a previous discussion where people were wondering what exactly Haki is, but for the japanese, it's a pretty obvious thing. Same here.
It follows that if you have a mission in one life and you do not complete it, then you try again in the next life, and so on, and so on. This is reincarnation as the buddhists know it.
And lifetime upon lifetime they attempt to fulfill their mission. It's brilliant. If this really is Oda's plan that the man is a fucking genius beyond imagination.
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Somehow. Your theory is pretty good to read.
Its looks like many people forgot about Buddhism thing that Oda bring in OP.But i still uncertain if that was as simple like that.
Cheers.!
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Just a little addition in your theory.
If you were right.
Looks like many Buddhism related story have Monkey themed main protagonist. -
One thing I find wrong in your theory…. if I read it correctly which I prolly didn't cuz I'm half asleep. You imply that all the D's pose a threat to the world government. But remember Jaguar D. Saul? Why would he be allowed to roam freely as a vice admiral if he is a threat simply for being a D' take him out from the get go should be the solution. So basically I disagree with the fact that all the D's are a threat to the government because they somehow know something from the ancient kingdom.
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Well your post is unique from the thousands of others like this because of the reincarnation thing. Really I hope your wrong, but not in any bad way. It'd just sorta feel like cheating if Luffy has already been the PK.
Welcome to the forums though!
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One thing I find wrong in your theory…. if I read it correctly which I prolly didn't cuz I'm half asleep. You imply that all the D's pose a threat to the world government. But remember Jaguar D. Saul? Why would he be allowed to roam freely as a vice admiral if he is a threat simply for being a D' take him out from the get go should be the solution. So basically I disagree with the fact that all the D's are a threat to the government because they somehow know something from the ancient kingdom.
You should not forget with Garp.
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Nice theory. Very thought-out (although I too have a problem with Saul, then).
So would you suggest that when Luffy and Zoro referred to BB as "they" on Jaya, they could somehow tell that within him lay experiences accumulated over multiple lives?
And you're also implying that if Luffy got his hands on another devil fruit that he could eat it without any negative effect?You should not forget with Garp.
Maybe Garp and Roger's spirits were old rivals in the ancient kingdom? And… the WG knew this so they forgave Garp's "D-ness" in exchange for his services in hunting down Roger.
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I think the Ds are just descendants of the fallen civilization not reincarnations.
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I think the Ds are just descendants of the fallen civilization not reincarnations.
That would make sense, they'd be like reverse Celestial Dragons (Tenryuubito).
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@Zach:
That would make sense, they'd be like reverse Celestial Dragons (Tenryuubito).
If the Ds were reincarnating over and over then no way would the marines let them in their ranks (Saul, Garp), they do so now because with the real history buried it doesn't matter anyway. They don't get their memories it's just the bloodline so they're like innocent people. If it was always the Ds that kept fighting the Tenryuubito throughout history then they'd have been hunted down and killed already so I think we have to assume that Dragon and Luffy (following Roger) is a novel development.
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Interesting theory.
You got me thinking, but at the same time, I'd have to agree with Uzumaki_D_Kenichi.
But, who knows.
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I wouldn't put it past Oda to do something like that when it's least expected, but the explanation is very convenient and easy. I could see that happening in some manga with a much less developed plotline.
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yup, I could see it now.. Monkey D luffy an heir of ancient kingdom.
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Actually Buddhism isn't the most popular religion Japan. (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong Greg or someone else) It is very influential (as seen in the culture, temples, etc.) But, I think Christianity is the most popular religion in Japan. Edit: Oh, and nice theory I like it! Very well thought out. Claps
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after the pirate Blackbeard (Edward Thatch/Edward Teach) died they examined his body and found no less than 5 shots and numerous slashes
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Yesterday some onesaid that in chapter 225 (i think) where luffy refers to him as THEY i
my own copy a few times, in the viz translation nami says to talk to that man as he may
no somthing about sky island, luffy simply says theer was more than one person with
him, zoro then says "u think" after reading it luffys conclusion has something do do with
there ODD conversation as luffy was able to pick up something by the way BB spoke,
assuming it is the suddern CHANGE is BBs tone how he says "mans dreams will always
exist" so any arguments(somthing i miss)
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@Zach:
That would make sense, they'd be like reverse Celestial Dragons (Tenryuubito).
So if the celestial dragons were discriminated against, would they be really strong?
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Actually Buddhism isn't the most popular religion Japan. (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong Greg or someone else) It is very influential (as seen in the culture, temples, etc.) But, I think Christianity is the most popular religion in Japan. Edit: Oh, and nice theory I like it! Very well thought out. Claps
uhh I love correcting people
The most popular religion in japan is neither buddhism nor christianity, it is shintoism (51%) followed by buddhism (~30). Christiantiy has about 3 %.
But that is to say, that only 30% of all japanese people would describe themselves as being religious. -
well shintoism is similar to buddhism no?
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If the Ds were reincarnating over and over then no way would the marines let them in their ranks (Saul, Garp), they do so now because with the real history buried it doesn't matter anyway. They don't get their memories it's just the bloodline so they're like innocent people. If it was always the Ds that kept fighting the Tenryuubito throughout history then they'd have been hunted down and killed already
You realize the exact same applies to Gol D. Roger's unborn son, which they hunted down with all their available forces, right?
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Actually Buddhism isn't the most popular religion Japan. (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong Greg or someone else) It is very influential (as seen in the culture, temples, etc.) But, I think Christianity is the most popular religion in Japan. Edit: Oh, and nice theory I like it! Very well thought out. Claps
lollllll, literally never talk about the world again.
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Actually, I really like this theory.
But what truth could shatter the World Government and blow the minds of the people around them?
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The World Government's foundations being shady and evil.
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well shintoism is similar to buddhism no?
ehhh…. not really. One is all about nature spirits and "gods" being present in all things, living or not (linked to traditional animism). The other follows the teachings of Buddha and his extensive writings. Although many Japanese consider themselves followers of both, the practices and locations associated with each are distinct and separated.
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Water just so happens to make them useless..?? There's gotta be more to it than that. Some ironic curse by Davey Jones perhaps. I dunno, I'm just talking outta my ass like most of you others. :happy:
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@CCC:
Nice theory. Very thought-out (although I too have a problem with Saul, then).
So would you suggest that when Luffy and Zoro referred to BB as "they" on Jaya, they could somehow tell that within him lay experiences accumulated over multiple lives?
And you're also implying that if Luffy got his hands on another devil fruit that he could eat it without any negative effect?Maybe Garp and Roger's spirits were old rivals in the ancient kingdom? And… the WG knew this so they forgave Garp's "D-ness" in exchange for his services in hunting down Roger.
That would make Ace and Luffy spiritual enemies too.
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That would make Ace and Luffy spiritual enemies too.
i think that luffys last enemy would be his dad.. monkey d. dragon cause he is the most powerful aff all … and i believe that dragon is not so pure spirited as luffy is thats why they might become enemies... after they both help each other... as we have seen luffy and his crew have freed many islands as alubarna from evil actions... i think that dragon is searching for one piece too but for other reasons? and D. propably mean decision... cause every time luffy throws the line:"'its decided" there is noone that can stop him from achiving his goals...
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The One Piece is..
The Rio Poneglyph.
I've seen this claim sometimes, and it became more popular since the Ohara flashback. What none of the theories have explained is WHY a stone block is One Piece. It has some history written on it – So did the Skypiea block. What exactly is it that makes this particular piece of history so important? Civilizations are born and lost all the time. Whatever this Lombax culture invented back in the lost history is all mere speculation at the current point in the timeline. They could have been a culture of banana farmers with no military power whatsoever, just as easily. If we take Clover's explanation at face value, we also have to accept that the Gorousei knows everything that Clover did and more. Doesn't your theory imply that Gorousei is aware what the One Piece is and means? Though with everything WB said before dying, there is a certain degree of merit in this line of thought.
In the OP world, the One Piece has been painted as a treasure beyond imagination. Chances are it's something highly symbolic, which doesn't make sense on its own. Like if it was an item, the One Piece could be a copper fork, or a fossilized parrot, or a ripped off page from a book, providing there's enough explanation why it's so important. Even if we could use ESP to figure out what the One Piece is, that doesn't necessarily tell us anything useful right now.
Same goes with One Piece being a piece of history or some other abstract treasure, it means nothing without the correct context.
(Though I have to note that this is basically what Rayleigh said to the Strawhats.)
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I thought the same way years ago
One piece must be something about a truth, or a tool that reveals truth
like gathered information of poneglyphs in one piece of paper
or a map that reveals where the tool/arm to beat world government lies
or a map of the book that reveals hidden history of WG by bloody methods maybe nukes
so possibly the early country WG took over was either something like Atlantis, or has natural resources, technology or somethingon the other hand will of D. is either depicts a name so a bloodline, or a place like a town or kingdom, or an army of man of a king
but they all do has some natural willpower and arm power that exceed others
but you can tell all D. are black haired white type guys, luffy, dragon, garp, BBand don't remember the main theme of one piece:
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Anyways, putting together Clover's speech, the information contained in this page
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… and what we know about Raftel, the Rio Poneglyph and the Grand Line, I think it's safe to assume, and I'm calling it now, that the name of the Ancient Kingdom WAS Raftel, which is why Clover said it's name cointained the key to everything, and that the Rio Poneglyph is the Poneglyph in Raftel itself. -
well the one piece may never be shown lol oda couldmake it anything or it could be somthing luffy sees and then desides to leave it
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Anyways, putting together Clover's speech, the information contained in this page
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… and what we know about Raftel, the Rio Poneglyph and the Grand Line, I think it's safe to assume, and I'm calling it now, that the name of the Ancient Kingdom WAS Raftel, which is why Clover said it's name cointained the key to everything, and that the Rio Poneglyph is the Poneglyph in Raftel itself.I actually really like this theory. Obviously, if Oda cut off Clover (who clearly could still talk and was not dead after being shot) it was because the name of the kingdom was something we would recognize or will recognize. Raftel fits the bill there, and your reasoning isn't half bad either.
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Ok, but what if Raftel no longer exists, because it was sunk or raised into the sky or some random crazy thing (this is one piece).
What if OP is a book Roger/crewmate wrote about the complete history.Maybe knowing that the history could not be revealed to those that could not read the poneglyphs and that the government would destroy them somehow, he decided to write down the lost years and that is what OP is. A priceless book of the missing years before the WG came into power.
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Just want to add that we havent seen any powerfull pirate that wants to go to Raftel for its tresure.So i think all the pirates after they get matured enough they understant that One Piece doesnt stand for money or tresure but information.
We saw that Shanks has an understanding with Sengoku and we saw both Leo and Roger drinking with Whitebeard.The More powerfull a pirate gets the more clear he sees the sea and the politics imo.
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I think what Gol D. Roger left behind was not money, but maybe a picture of him and Edward newgate or him holding ace as a child, idk, but I dont hink its money, but something that had no value which he adored.
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Thanks for sharing.
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Can you guys say what YOU think one piece really is?
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Maybe a picture of Oda's dick (If he has one).
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Maybe a picture of Oda's dick (If he has one).
Just imagine if he had written the intire One Piece storie, only too troll all kids with that!
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@Sir:
Just imagine if he had written the intire One Piece storie, only too troll all kids with that!
That'd be epic!Then Oda would be THE man!
