I read skypea and it occurred to me recently: Roger's dream probably wasn't to become the pirate king. Stuff like the note he left in Skypea hint that he had a muich grander purpose…AND that he seems to have been planning for failure. I have no conclusions, it just occurs to me that knowing Roger's true intent on his voyage would probably clear up a lot of mysteries.
Roger's Dream
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Reaching Skypeia is a huge oddity. It might have some "I was here" value to record his presence. It might also have been from the Norland story theme– if you told the world your story, they'd never believe you, so leave proof in case anyone tries to recreate your tale.
I will also agree with your point-- it could be in part anticipating failure, if the failure is defined as his execution-starting the pirate age. What better way to ensure your legend survives than by leaving tantalizing evidence. Although I'd pick somewhere more convinent to say "Raftel -->"
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IMO he said what he said on the excecution block because he knew it would get everyone moving towards something, and that was his true goal to get everyone going against the government
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I have been thinking about a thing. What if a Marine soldier found Raftel?
Wouldn't Kiji be able to go there pretty easily, hmm?! =/ -
You know how when Spandam was explaining about the World Government Flag, he was saying the Four Blue Seas and the Grandline, isnt he saying The whole Grandline when all of it hasnt even been discovered yet??? im just Confuzed…. Someone Fill me in here
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There probably wasn't even a "Pirate King" position to fill in, so I doubt he was aimming for it. He sounds like a guy that was looking for the truth behind the missing History, World Gov., and probably other things. I don't think he pillaged villages, just hunted down those stones to read them. He was a wanted man because of that.
And I think this conversation merges nicely with the subject of bounties. The missing history is a BIG secret to the WG. If any pirate group was after it (or anyone for that matter)… their bounty gets raised tremendously... Many people wonder how high the bounties will go. I think the highest ones all are looking for the missing history, not nessecarily just the ancient weapons. Roger's bounty must of been super high because he was the first. A kind of "stop him now before he starts a trend" bounty number.
EDIT: And Luffy Jr, fix your sig.
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Pirate King was his nickname for himself, wasn't it? I mean, he was supposed to be the best pirate and all and the title Pirate King was just what he became known by.
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By the way, Roger's ship, can't remember it's name. But is that the same ship as the ancient weapon; Pluton? Or do i have it all mixed up here.
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No, his ship was not Pluton. Tom built Rogers ship - Oro Jacksson.
786110, do you think so? That can be right, if not, either he had a hell lot of confidence or he was in Skypiea after he had reached Raftel or what ever for someone to call him pirate king.
Old school lurker.
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786110, do you think so? That can be right, if not, either he had a hell lot of confidence or he was in Skypiea after he had reached Raftel or what ever for someone to call him pirate king.
I'm not sure where I heard it from, probably wikipedia or something. You know, I assume Roger did alot, so much that he was able to call himself the pirate king, became a problem for the WG, Left "One Piece" in Raftel or wherever, got caught, and got killed. With him being such a massive figure in his life, his death must of romanticized him, OP, and the title of Pirate King hence his death being the dawn of romance (Romance Dawn). But then again it's mostly guesswork.
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That is actually a point to speculate a lot about. It does not have a lot of meaning, but a interesting point still.
Yeah, I assume so too, he was probably like Luffy, causing a hell of problems for the WG and Marines but at the same time making a lot of friends and so on. He most probably could make his friends become friends with his others friends, just like Luffy. If that would be the case, he maybe took a load of pirates and so on he knew and organised a attack against the WG or someting like that?
Just a quick thought, but that would be pretty cool to see. 
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Even Luffy didn't attack the WG with no reason.. he wanted to save Robin, otherwise I doubt that he would have seen in the Puffing Tom station list "Enies Lobby" and would have said, "Hey, a WG jail-island! let's wreck the place!"
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I think Robins dream may be more interlaced with Rogers dream than Luffys is. Luffy is like a young kid (the show is aimed at) dreams of growing up to become a famous J-pop singer or Actor, only it's much more serious in Luffys case, more like a young pianist that wants to get into Juliard. I think Robin's search for the true history may be the true tie into Rogers dream.
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What about pure adventure? To go there where no one has never been.
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Well that's not so much a dream since everyone seems to want to do that, it's more of a way of life IMO.
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Kurigiri, who said that Luffy or Roger attacked the WG for no reason?
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Kurigiri, who said that Luffy or Roger attacked the WG for no reason?
Actually, it was you XD
"Yeah, I assume so too, he was probably like Luffy, causing a hell of problems for the WG and Marines but at the same time making a lot of friends and so on. He most probably could make his friends become friends with his others friends, just like Luffy. If that would be the case, he maybe took a load of pirates and so on he knew and organised a attack against the WG or someting like that?
Just a quick thought, but that would be pretty cool to see. :P" -
Ow, hahah.
But, I didn't mean it was for no reasons actually. I meant, that Roger probably knew what the hell the WG was doing (and in his point of view, it was evil), and therefor decided to crush them. Then, there was a reason. 
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Ow, hahah.
But, I didn't mean it was for no reasons actually. I meant, that Roger probably knew what the hell the WG was doing (and in his point of view, it was evil), and therefor decided to crush them. Then, there was a reason. If that's what you meant, it is quite posssible, since we do know that Luffy remindes alot of pepole of Roger.
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Exactly, and that's why I think Luffy is gonna revolt against the WG soon. The attack on EL was just the beginning, soon they will destroy the most powerful force the marine have (BC), (with the help of other people, or maybe a little later in the serie, but it will happen, that I'm sure of) and make the WG and Marines look like idiots. Soon after I think someone will release the prisoners at Impel Down, just becuase of something Luffy has done (making the influence of the WG lose it's effect maybe?), and there you have it, a total chaos. And I'm pretty sure Luffy will be the only one in this chaos to be able to controll anything, and everything at the same time. Luffy will be the hand that pokes the first domino-brick to the ground. And I think he is following more or less the exact footsteps as Roger did, the diffrence is just that Luffy will be able to put the WG down, for good.
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I thought Spandaman and Kokoro said this is the first time in history anyone has ever done/accomplished something like what Luffy did..
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Yes, they did, but I did say "more or less". Roger may not have invaded one of the WGs strongest bases directly, but maybe he wrecked one from the inside (becoming friends with alot of marines/WG soldiers) and making them see that the WG is corrupt. Or maybe he took down some Admirals/Vice-admirals/strong soldiers/Shichi Bukais (if there were any at that time). There is alot he could have done that would have more or less the same effect.
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I thought Spandaman and Kokoro said this is the first time in history anyone has ever done/accomplished something like what Luffy did..
If I'm not mistaken she only was talking about aneis Lobby. And Roger would have to have had done something on a higher magnitude than anything Luffy has ever done to be called the Pirate king.
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Minor Quibble: I don't think Roger ever called himself the Pirate King. on the Skypeia Poneglyph, he called himself "Gol D Roger - Pirate" but not Pirate King.
