It's looks emo, haha
Death Note Anime Discussion
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It's looks emo, haha
There's a difference between emo and darker theme.
Or would you like Death Note to be animated bright with prettyful colors?
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@yokaiforte:
There's a difference between emo and darker theme.
Or would you like Death Note to be animated bright with prettyful colors?
wait, do you mean emo, like in emo-punk, the musical movement? or do you mean emo, like in "sasuke is one hell of an emo-boring character"?
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I think he was talking about the Sasuke one. Though I could be wrong.
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wait, do you mean emo, like in emo-punk, the musical movement? or do you mean emo, like in "sasuke is one hell of an emo-boring character"?
I meant like, since it's all dark and like with a depressing theme it makes it look emo. But it's good how it is. I'm not complaining cuz of how it looks.
and Yokaiforte, no I wouldn't want it to be with bright colours :blink:
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don't need, just read the manga, and you already can get depress with the storyline….
and Episode 1 really stay true to the manga.......
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@Cyringohn:
The fact that Death Note's editors purposefully directed the series in a direction that highlighted Light's failure, in an attempt to demonstrate an "Evil Never Triumphs, Kids." theme, ruins the ending completely.
That's not exactly right. You can't blame the editors for the way the series ends. This is Jump's policy for every series that runs in it, and if Ohba had been interested in a different ending, she would have taken the series somewhere else. It's not like the they sprang this on her later, the way the series ended was more or less intended from the beginning.
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! I thought the ending as very effective, because it showed Light as pitiful and weak, as opposed to the mighty god he thought he was/would become.
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That's not exactly right. You can't blame the editors for the way the series ends. This is Jump's policy for every series that runs in it, and if Ohba had been interested in a different ending, she would have taken the series somewhere else. It's not like the they sprang this on her later, the way the series ended was more or less intended from the beginning.
No, I agree with Cyringohn in full; Ohba/Obata went to Jump with the full intention of getting as much exposure as possible; DN is highly unconventional for a Jump title, such that it shouldn't even be associated with Jump, so this sort of "alternate shounen" was in an excellent place to attract viewers (by contrast and through Jump's popularity and proliferation).
Most authors, especially not ones named J.K. Rowling, are willing to sacrifice a preferred storyline when salary is involved; while I do believe Ohba intended to finish the series in its serialized way (to an extent), I do not think the "time skip" arc was originally intended and was only the product of Jump pressures.
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if I was Ohba/Obata, I would have stay true to my original storyline…if that was the case.....if I was her/he(?) I would have jump from Jump if I wasn't given the leeway to end my series in the proper way/intended way.
what if Light dying was the intended ending?
or did the author express dissatisfaction against Jump (interviews/magazines/tabloids?) after the author ended it in May 2006?
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@Cap'n:
! I thought the ending as very effective, because it showed Light as pitiful and weak, as opposed to the mighty god he thought he was/would become.
That pretty much sums up what I thought.
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No, I agree with Cyringohn in full; Ohba/Obata went to Jump with the full intention of getting as much exposure as possible; DN is highly unconventional for a Jump title, such that it shouldn't even be associated with Jump, so this sort of "alternate shounen" was in an excellent place to attract viewers (by contrast and through Jump's popularity and proliferation).
Most authors, especially not ones named J.K. Rowling, are willing to sacrifice a preferred storyline when salary is involved; while I do believe Ohba intended to finish the series in its serialized way (to an extent), I do not think the "time skip" arc was originally intended and was only the product of Jump pressures.
If Ohba chose to sacrifice an idea for the plot for higher exposure and bigger bucks, it doesn't really change the fact that her plans for the ending, in a general sense, still had to be the same from the beginning of the series. It's not right to say that the editors railroaded Ohba into their own idea of a specific ending. Since Ohba knew specifically what she was getting into when she started, for whatever reason, then it must also be assumed that she was satisfied with the deal she got.
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But is there any proof that they were pressured into changing the way they wanted it to end?
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@yokaiforte:
But is there any proof that they were pressured into changing the way they wanted it to end?
Not that I know of. My argument is more that there couldn't have been (as some people seem to claim), because they knew what they were getting into, regardless of the motivation for getting into it.
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Mainly, I believe that Jump Editors only interfere with the writing of the story such as in cases like Naruto in which they wish to extend it further than intended so to make more money. Death Note had a rather short run imo, so I don't think they really interfered with the story that much. I personally think it was meant to have 108 chapters, as said by Wikipedia (note possible inaccuracies…)
There are 108 chapters in the Death Note manga series. In Japan, at the end of the year, a bell is chimed 108 times to finish the old year and welcome the new one. Each ring represents one of 108 earthly temptations a person must overcome to achieve nirvana.
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I watched it. Man it was so nicely played. I love light's voice. It's so evil, especially the laugh! Oh man this is gonna be great. I thought the "How to use" at intermission was cleaver.
Also the shinigami snoring in the beginning was kappei yamuguchi I think.
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@yokaiforte:
But is there any proof that they were pressured into changing the way they wanted it to end?
maybe later when she draws for another publication, we will know that some of it is true…...
but it's still pure assumption....... maybe those Light fanboys didn't expect Light to die, after he did the world a insanely HUGE favor that no one else can or will do......
I know I will be glad that thousands of criminals are dead........ Light should be call a hero...... (if not for him killing innocent people).alas, I don't think there was another ending....... unless of course the author comes out with a press conference or come up with Death Note (remake) with her intended ending, then we know Jump screw Death Note ending up.
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Anyone else think the best part of the episode was a combination of the Epic Name Writing (complete with Dynaty Warriors Effect) and the one guy who had a heart attack fell off the side of a bulding and through a plate glass window
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I do remember reading in one of the How to Read Death Note, either Ohba or Obata mentioned that the ending is already planned. And How to Read Death Note was out in the end of first arc, so I don't think Jump editors interfered the ending. I mean, if Jump editors interfered the ending, it'd run a lot longer than 108…
Most likely 108 is the planned chapter number to end Death Note chapters, and v13 is also the planned number to end the volumes, and being released on Friday the 13th... O_O!
As for why Ohba/Obata is with Jump...:
@cryogenia:Q: How did “Death Note” get its start?
A: Well, I suppose it started when I first started thinking about trying my hand at writing a manga. I thought maybe one of these stories I’d been kicking around for the past couple of years would work, so I submitted two sample scripts [to Shounen Jump magazine]. Of those, the one titled “Death Note” caught the editors’ eye. After refining it multiple times, it finally went on to become a proper pilot.
As far as the illustration went, I wanted the art to be high-contrast with delicate linework, so it would really stand out. That was right about the time Obata Takeshi-sensei was finishing up Hikaru no Go, and the editors were kind enough to ask him if he’d give this a try. I didn’t actually expect him to say yes! Thanks to his talent, the pilot was very well received, and we started talking about serialization. Looking back, the whole thing really was kind of a Cinderella Story. -
Anyone else think the best part of the episode was a combination of the Epic Name Writing (complete with Dynaty Warriors Effect) and the one guy who had a heart attack fell off the side of a bulding and through a plate glass window
I totally agree with you…...... I also like that part........
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I totally agree with you…...... I also like that part........
Same.
That was the scene which made me want to keep watching it.
I'm not saying that everything sucked, which it didn't, everything was amazing, but it's just that scene really caught my attention. ^^ -
but it's still pure assumption….... maybe those Light fanboys didn't expect Light to die, after he did the world a insanely HUGE favor that no one else can or will do......
I know I will be glad that thousands of criminals are dead........ Light should be call a hero...... (if not for him killing innocent people).That was until he decided to turn the world into his ideal image, like killing lazy people just because they were lazy.
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http://www.stoptazmo.com/showthread.php?t=12703
The posted article within the Tazmo thread is no longer active, unfortunately, but coolerimmortal posted the most glaring statement. More was said, and it was stated in a way that would appeal to the media [politically correct and whatnot], but it basically stated the same thing: Death Note's script was fiddled with.
But yeah, there is your proof.
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fast forward through the posts!
@person:
What part of that did you not understand? The ending was ddecided from the start. The editor told him from the very start how he wanted it to end. So all of your "OMG WHY DID LIGHT DIE", is silly since the whole damn thing was written so that it would end in his death. All of the parts that you liked was supposed to build up to the end.
The writer wrote the whole thing with the end in mind. So if you hate how it ended, then you can blame how he brought the ending out.
Geez. Light fanboys.
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I've never read the manga, but was Light originally his name?
And in the subs it says "Raito". I was told that was his name in Hong Kong or something?
clear it up for me pls :l
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Light in Japanese is pronounced Laito or Raito. For some reason, people prefer Raito, maybe because they think it makes them sound more Japanese.
Similarly, I believe Kira also means Light.
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It's not right to say that the editors railroaded Ohba into their own idea of a specific ending.
Who said anything about the ending? I knew a certain person was going to die because that death was forshadowed in one of the earliest chapters; what I'm talking about is the length of DN, which had "filler" in a manga sense during the Corporate Crisis and the "Time Skip" situation, with mirror characters to boot.
! Basically put, the DN ending should have come shortly after L died when the series was peaking; after L bit the dust, the rest of the manga was considerably inferior to what was posted before; this indicates (to me anyway) that Ohba didn't think out the latter part as much as the former, which is an indication of time restraint imposed by pressure from Shueisha. Even the "Corporate Crisis" arc was amazing well-thought out, if trying, especially in comparison to what followed after L died.
Since Ohba knew specifically what she was getting into when she started, for whatever reason, then it must also be assumed that she was satisfied with the deal she got.
Frankly, for a "first time blockbuster" writer, all that really matters is that dollars were made, with creativity coming second. If it just so happens the author likes the product that made him/her a lot of money, that's just icing on the stocky cake; if not, well, the cake's still there in full.
Just take a look at Nobuhiro Watsuki and Akira Toriyama; they made a huge amount of money on their cash-cow manga, such that there's no need for them to continue drawing, but they still came out with (in the opinion of their fans) "less than stellar" post-blockbuster productions. The point is, though, that they wanted to continue drawing and they must have enjoyed the freedom from the burden of earning Shueisha money as a top-selling manga.
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Honestly, I don't see how the second half was "considerably inferior". It was clear to me that Light had the upper hand on L merely because L hadn't the information on the Death Note, which could have taken down Light much easier, hence why Light was desperate at getting Raye Penber's fiancee name to kill her because she knew of the methods of the killer. And as Near had this information from Mello, knew of Light and did not expose himself to Light until the last second, he truly had the upperhand, creating scenarios of things that might happen. On that note, Light was being outmatched, and his stamina was drawing down when in battle between two geniuses. The only thing that really bugged me was his thinking that Mikami is the perfect next Kira thing. and some other stuff that I won't bother mentioning until later
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@yokaiforte:
Honestly, I don't see how the second half was "considerably inferior". It was clear to me that Light had the upper hand on L merely because L hadn't the information on the Death Note, which could have taken down Light much easier, hence why Light was desperate at getting Raye Penber's fiancee name to kill her because she knew of the methods of the killer. And as Near had this information from Mello, knew of Light and did not expose himself to Light until the last second, he truly had the upperhand, creating scenarios of things that might happen. On that note, Light was being outmatched, and his stamina was drawing down when in battle between two geniuses. The only thing that really bugged me was his thinking that Mikami is the perfect next Kira thing.
That's why I liked L so much, though; he was operating on a logical level and automatically discounted supernatural hypothesis until he had no other alternatives. In that, he came remarkably close to defeating Light, who, I might add, gained the "upper hand" by virtue of his own competitive genius, not because he had the Death Note.
Mello came off to me as brackish, impulsive, and lucky; L and Light's conflict never took in luck as a factor, for the contingent results of both of those demigods' intellects were the result of a thorough thought process exploring all possibilities, both obvious and unforseen. Near was an inferior version of L who won the game only because he benefited from Mello's sacrifice.
Granted, Light getting defeated when he held "all the cards" would have been a spectacular arc (and it had a glorious end), but I saw the "Time Skip" as relying too much on general hypothesis and chance rather than through sheer raw brainpower like when Light and L were at their peaks.
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Don't get me wrong. L is my favorite character of all time. However, it is because of his logical thinking that he does not account Shinigami into his accounting until right before he dies. In that, Light and L were very much on par with each other in genius, with L probably of a higher intelligence than L, but because he had the help of Shinigami like ryuk and Rem, of whom was the one to help Light deliver the finishing blow to L, Light was the one to come off on top.
Granted, I don't like Near or Mello nearly as much as the genius L, but he did manage to get his hands on a Death Note, and because of that, he managed to make his next moves in trying to delay Light by capturing whatsherface. I believe the emphasis on Mello is that he is the exact opposite of L, but it wasn't nearly by Luck that he managed his ground.
Near I do believe inferior to L. However, he won because he had all the cards. Getting what he had from Mello, the fact that Light got like no ground on Kira ever since L died, etc.
I don't think that the time skip was nearly as good as before then, but it still has its merits.
Hey, that's exactly how I feel about FMA anime vs. manga.
btw, here's the link to the article: http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/specials/archive/news/2006/06/20060618p2g00m0dm002000c.html
and while the publisher may have asked for such an ending, it does not mean that Ohba didn't decide on it herself.
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@yokaiforte:
fast forward through the posts!
How thoughtful of you to skip most of the discussion and only post the 'anti-Kira' [for the lack of better, less-idiotic terms] response.
Firstly, it was never specifically stated that the interference occurred at the beginning of the series. The editor simply commented that he interfered. Quote: " "I asked that the story develop so that Raito was punished in some way…"
Secondly, 'development' can occur at many points in the production of a manga. The sentence can be read as 'I asked that the story be developed, from the beginning, so that Light was punished in some way…" or as 'I asked that the story develop, from a certain point where I began to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, so that Light was punished in some way..." The article, in general, swayed towards the latter, as the person who interviewed the editor used a tone of surprise and confusion [in regards to why somebody would manipulate the manga in such a way].
Thirdly, even if Ohba had an ending written during the beginning of the publication process, that doesn't mean anything. Eiichiro Oda had the ending to One Piece written during One Piece's creation, yet many things were changed and added along the way. Manga are hardly set in stone, especially with publication editors changing and editing material to suite the wants of the audience.
Oh, and the reason Light conquered L is because Light was not tied down by morals, laws, and other philosophical restrictions. L's position within a system of law prevented him from testing the Death Note in an execution [as he had planned]; Light had no such obligations. Light will use anything, or anyone, to further his goal.
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oh and on the subject of Death note the fan made ending >>>>>> real ending
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Sorry, Light won't jump out of the the comic and let you sodomize him no matter how much you complain.
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@Cyringohn:
Light will use anything, or anyone, to further his goal.
Which was one of his weaknesses. Here's a riddle; you are on a pirate ship, and you believe your crew will mutiny at any time. You speak to one of your trusted crewmen, and he says, "there is no talk of overthrowin' ye, Cap'n". You then speak to a hired privateer who you know to be totally untrustworthy, and ask the same; he replies in the same fashion as the trusted crewmate.
Who do you believe? The latter; no matter how trustworthy your friend may be, you can always count on someone else who has predictable interests (in this case, money for the privateer) to be untrustworthy. If Light took every best opportunity he could to defeat L (in the short OR long term), he would have been defeated much earlier.
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got to see the 1st episode…really interesting!!!
I like the way raito thinks!!!
he has a point though..hope he wont end up crazy with his so called "god" idea... -
he already is quite crazy
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i don't see how the fan made ending is better than the original ending….
granted, maybe I was mocking Light for his "stupidity" in trying to prove that he is "God" in the end.........
but I think the ending was fitting for him..... because if you consider that his mental health..... he was crazy beyond repair..........
Shueisha's Yoshida says the end of "Death Note" was always a foregone conclusion.
"I asked that the story develop so that Raito was punished in some way," Yoshida said.writer Tsugumi Oba should have just leave Jump…..if that was the case..... I know I would......
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Which was one of his weaknesses. Here's a riddle; you are on a pirate ship, and you believe your crew will mutiny at any time. You speak to one of your trusted crewmen, and he says, "there is no talk of overthrowin' ye, Cap'n". You then speak to a hired privateer who you know to be totally untrustworthy, and ask the same; he replies in the same fashion as the trusted crewmate.
Who do you believe? The latter; no matter how trustworthy your friend may be, you can always count on someone else who has predictable interests (in this case, money for the privateer) to be untrustworthy. If Light took every best opportunity he could to defeat L (in the short OR long term), he would have been defeated much earlier.
His true weakness was relying on Mikami. Mikami is intelligent, in an academic sense, but he's far too inane and obsessive to perform the tasks given to him.
No person can truly predict and react to every given opportunity in the best fashion possible. Human error and judgement must be taken into account. Light was hasty and killed the fake L on television, and L failed to realize that significance of 'Notebook at Aoyama' until Higuchi was apprehended.
Gohn isn't saying that L was inferior to Light. Even as a full Kira supporter, it cannot be denied that L was, at the very minimum, on par with Light's abilities to reason. However, Light simply had an edge by not working under a position of law. If L had been able to test the '13 Days' rule, then Light would have been captured, most likely. Doubtful that L would have lived long enough, by that point, but you get le idea.
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! at the end of the day, L died, Light lives. (not talking about the ending).
it doesn't matter how smart and how whatever L is. He lost and died and that's the bare facts.Edit - PLEASE remember spoiler tags. Thank you.
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what about spoiler tags when you're talking in a thread about the anime?
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! @kljs:
! > at the end of the day, L died, Light lives. (not talking about the ending).
it doesn't matter how smart and how whatever L is. He lost and died and that's the bare facts.Yeah, pretty much.
what about spoiler tags when you're talking in a thread about the anime?
Same way that it's pointless to litter the Manga section with "Spoilers!". You shouldn't be posting in a section if you aren't caught up in the series. "Talk about any other manga or anime here!" becomes pointless if every post needs a spoiler tag.
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Folks - this is a thread for the ANIME. The anime has had ONE episode. If someone is following the anime, YES THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE MANGA ARE SPOILERS. Please remember to use tags. If you don't, warnings will be issued.
Further more…this is a discussion for the anime, if you want to talk in depth about manga only events, please go to the manga thread.
And I am currently on the hunt for the raw of episode 2.
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sorry, I forgot that this is the anime…..
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L's name has finnaly been revealed.
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You people probably already know, but RAW's out on Saiyaman.
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@yokaiforte:
You people probably already know, but RAW's out on Saiyaman.
Thanks. Didn't know
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That episode was really sweet. It mostly covered chapter 2, although it did deal with other events in volume 1. Yamaguchi is doing an awesome job as L so far. He reminds me nothing of InuYasha or Usopp.
