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Based on the apparent existance of nuns and the discussion of God in the whole Skypiea arc, are we to assume Catholicism exists in the One Piece world? And does this mean that Jesus existed as well in some form, seeing as she has a crucifix?
theres a distinct possibility since Bartholmew(sp), was holding a book like a Bible I believe
there could be some heavy religous Blue Sea Islands
We've seen more religious symbolism: Mihawk's knife-in-the-crucifix, Zoro on a cross (if it didn't have meaning, why not use a stockade?)
I just thought of something. O.O Since Bartholomew is one of the Shikibukai, do you think that he might soon become a dictator later in the series? Who might kill anyone who's against his religion? Is there enough about him that might fall under this statement? I can't remember…
That's rather wild speculation, Nicole, I doubt it. He seems more like a quiet type that keeps to himself.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
The Shichabuchai is very much a dead-end job.
You're still too much of a pirate that people would be keen to trust you with public trust, and too much of a government dog to be a great pirate.
Crocodile's public status was only from his wealth and heroic past.
I'd wonder, though, if the Void Century has an affect on religion. Religious groups are generally very good about recording history, and very concerned with finding accurate history to ensure the accuracy of their divine texts.
Crocodile's public status was only from his wealth and heroic past.
I will bet you anything that Croc was the one paying the pirates who were attacking the country
Weel if One Piece is drawing alot of its feel and world from the Pirate world then of course Oda's going to bring in Christian symbolism here and there.
Though personally I'm more fond of Enerism myself.
I'm not so sure about the nun at Whiskey Peak. But I do believe that Ol' Barty and his bible could be important.
The religion could be based on findings based on the 100 years or other lost civilations mysteriously wiped out. It could be that Bartolomew is where he is know because he was the main speaker of the religion, aswel as a pirate and by offering him a position as a Shikibukai they could keep track of him..
I think Sanji's a Christian/Catholic.
He did ask Zoro if he "believed in God", in chapter 100.
I think Sanji's a Christian/Catholic.
He did ask Zoro if he "believed in God", in chapter 100.
I think what happened back then would make anyone think about higher powers.
As for what religion, I don't think it's important.
Yeah…I really don't think religion matters all that much in One Piece. It exists in the world, just like it does in ours, but beyond that it's not important in the context of the story.
That's rather wild speculation, Nicole, I doubt it. He seems more like a quiet type that keeps to himself.
I notice Bartholomew's quiet, so you have a pretty good point.
hes quiet when at meetings and for the half of an episode where we see him
remember Mozgus from Holy Tower in Berserk he was quiet and calm as heck until buisness need to be done
I hope Oda would put a FF10 like religion stuff where the world is ruled by a fake detiy and the lifestyles was force to follow one teaching of that detiy. Maybe the whole world ruled by a relgious government and temples to follow. Why would'ent Oda do that?
if this discussion starts to go in the wrong direction, i'm closing it. just a fore-warning.
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if this discussion starts to go in the wrong direction, i'm closing it. just a fore-warning.
What direction would that be? Just so we know…
ya really your making it seem like having different opinions about organized reliogn is a bad thing
I think OP has religions, but Jesus did not necessarily exist in their world. It could be that they believe in some type of alteration of real life religions.
Well Spandain screamed "Jesus!" while the Buster Call was attacking Ohara so how did he know?
If there was a religion orgenatzion, that would be cool. Oda better not fail this.
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Well, IMO, using 'Jesus!' as an exclamation in this culture has little to no religious significance anymore.
Also, it's sort of a comprehension thing. If someone shouts like that in a panic, it's understood, but we don't have enough of the backstory to correctly understand why someone's shouting "Bartholemew Bear's Dad!" or whatever.
Well, IMO, using 'Jesus!' as an exclamation in this culture has little to no religious significance anymore.
Also, it's sort of a comprehension thing. If someone shouts like that in a panic, it's understood, but we don't have enough of the backstory to correctly understand why someone's shouting "Bartholemew Bear's Dad!" or whatever.
Totally agreed, it's a bit like Falco calling you "Einstein" if you shot him in Star Fox 64. It's understood as a general isult by the reader, so it's alright to use instead of bringing in completely unexplained excamations. Oddly secific, I know, but it came to me right off the bat.
Anyway, religion in OP would be… Interesting, to say the least. I wonder what Bartholemew Kuma's reaction would be if he met Enel? Someone calling themselves God. I guess Oda could bring this up, but if it became too integral to the plot it could get annoying fast. It would seem a bit too much like real life for me, and I've always taken pride in Oda staying in fantasy world and making you care about what happens without being a political speaker.
That said, I would be fine if Skypeia and the battle with God were as far as we get into religion - once you've owned God, you've really done it all, eh?
We've had Enel the all might thunder god (at least he was convinced he was a real god)
Gun Fall was Skypiea previous god (althought god in Skypiea was a sort of Chief)
And Bartholomeu Kuma was a bible (althought this might be just a weapon)
And Zoro believes in certain Buddhist beliefs, or at least his sensei taught them to him.
Hmm based off this-
! Could One Piece be a religous item that speaks of the past?
well…what religion is christmas...mrs.merrychristmas (thats her name right?)
and have crosses...
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Here's another thing I noticed about One Piece and real life. The humans in OP look just LIKE US!!, and have 2 feet, 2 eyes, 2 arms… As for whether or not this was what influenced Oda to put that into the manga is up for debate.
Wow. Two pages and no one, I mean, no one even mentions 'The Holy Land of Marejoa', semi-official seat of the World Government, the country whose permission Norland entreatied just to enter the Grand Line.
Church and State, fellas. Church and State. And in this case, the WG owns both.
Here's another thing I noticed about One Piece and real life. The humans in OP look just LIKE US!!, and have 2 feet, 2 eyes, 2 arms… As for whether or not this was what influenced Oda to put that into the manga is up for debate.
It's true, it's true…
That one was too much :laugh:
And also nice remembering Meh
The Holy Land of Marejoa the home of the W.G.(probably because they have a god complex like Enel but who knowns)
Made me remember the God of the Giants of Elbaf the god of warriors
Friendly reminder: a crucifix is a representation of Jesus on the cross, not just the cross itself!
Personally, I think all the referances to Christianity are like nearly every other referance in manga/anime – just for show, with no truly deep meaning.
like the explosion crosses in Eva
the Black sword may have a cross on it but thats just because it looks supremely badass
