OdaUniverse Physics… [w/ regards to fighting]

[lpzie]

I've been looking into the fighting styles in this manga. We know in most mangas, there's only 1 thing that everyone in the planet is susceptible/required to learn to be strong/above-and-beyond (chakra, nen, ki, innocences, alchemy, plant/angel, notebook, etc..), but One Piece is different.

Oda has Devil Fruits, but that's not everything. You have blades/swords, which at high levels can do some pretty crazy things. Hyponotisism which hasn't been used too much is also something else. Then there's CP9's 6forms. You have dials too. Also guns and projectiles. Oh ya, and mer-men got some pretty crazy stuff too. But even that doesn't outmatch normal people who just strengthen their bodies via kicking/punching.

But I was curious about one more, that I thought was pretty new but didn't get built on too much. And that is Kumadori's technique. Does anyone else thing his Life Restore tech is a build towards something bigger, a one time thing, or I just read it wrong?

[Virgilijus]

I think Oda was just sitting there thinking, "You know, Kumadori's incredibly fat now. What the hell am I going to do? How about, he can control everything about his body to get rid of the weight. Does that mean he can control his hair? Guess so, maybe he can shigan Chopper with it…Brilliant!" He then starts drawing really fast.
Basically, I think it was a one time deal to add a little bit of humor and craziness to a fight to make it stand out.

[paptschik]

Some things you say just aren't true…yeah, there is a big variety in OP...but ehre also is in other manga. Like in Naruto for example...yeah, everybody uses chakra...that doesn't change the fact, that they also use fans, big-ass-swords, sand, water, fire, puppets, dogs, shadows, their own body's fat, eyes, snakes, snails, frogs, bugs, paintings, bones, monsters, illusions, plants, monkeys, explosives, spiders, web, stones, doors (or whatever Sakons Rashoumon happens to be), needles, poison etc...so really, just because there is one main theme, doesn't change the fact, that other mangas also have different styles of fighting.
So although One Piece does many things much better...it is not "different" in that way.

As for Kumadoris technique...I think we will see it again one day. Maybe Oda doesn't intend to do it now, but at some point he might think "hey...that was cool, someone else could also use that!".

[joekido the Second]

In One Piece we get

Staff
Guns
Pistols
Rocks
Swords
Devil Fruits
Chistels
Chakam
Bombs
Hammer
Ax
Buzzsaw
Spears
Whip
Cannons

I hope Oda insert
Rocket
Missles
Chamical Gas
Atom Bomb
Puppets
Magic
Lasers
Beam
Machine Gun
Broomering

[Geese]

@Virgilijus:

I think Oda was just sitting there thinking, "You know, Kumadori's incredibly fat now. What the hell am I going to do? How about, he can control everything about his body to get rid of the weight. Does that mean he can control his hair? Guess so, maybe he can shigan Chopper with it…Brilliant!" He then starts drawing really fast.
Basically, I think it was a one time deal to add a little bit of humor and craziness to a fight to make it stand out.

There is now way in hell Oda writes One Piece chapter by chapter.

[CC ann]

This is what makes Oda cool!
He uses those that arent so common…
those chakra/nen things that increases energy is kind of common...
...well oda may have the "GEAR" thing but that is just one out of those many unique fighting stuff in One Piece :D

[ybmc]

Kumadori's been using his hair like that since they beat up Franky about 10 chapters ago. And Paptschik, about 95% of all that you mentioned was chakra related, so it's kind of a moot point. It's all the same style of fighting, just a slightly different theme for each character.

Back on topic, I love the idea that One Piece is unique with every step it takes. Each villain used a fighting style that was cool, and most of them were pretty one-of-a-kind styles that you'd only see in One Piece or a drug-inhanced dream. This has made me and a friend of mine come to the conclusion that Oda is, in reality, a superhero robot on about 10 different drugs and coffee.

[Virgilijus]

@Geese:

There is now way in hell Oda writes One Piece chapter by chapter.

I know he doesn't, it's just what his thought process may be when he is planning it all out and making sketches:biggrin: .

[aznxxmonkeyxx]

What's so great about One Piece and Oda are
even though this is undoubtly fiction, he somehow makes these crazy whacked uncanny things come together like a puzzle that actually makes sense and keeps the reader interested. It really is the stuff that makes you wonder what the heck will happen next in this manga.

So everything Oda draws or makes up is part of something bigger and theres always some reason behind it

[Ubiq]

@joekido:

Chamical Gas

Chemical warfare was introduced into the Odaverse way back in the Krieg Arc with MH-5.

[lpzie]

@paptschik:

Some things you say just aren't true…

I'll grant you the sword one under weaponry, but most of the other things you mentioned involve chakra to use. But I'll admit, Naruto does have a lot of 'other' things [shadows, dogs, bugs, etc] that make it above and beyond. Which is why I said most, […but left out "usually only 1"]. So my mistake. Thanks for correcting me in public, lest anyone else reads my error.

[Tokoro Ataru]

I think the thing differentiating between Oda and Kishimoto is the matter of "styles needed to know something". While both mangaka have many, many different styles for attack, the "how" is where they seperate. With Oda, it all depends on the mind and the imagination of the character using them, thus differentiating not only the manner you fight (DF, swords, weaponry, hand-to-hand, etc.) but also how you use what you have such as, say, two different swordsmen or two different Rokushiki users. The characters are only limited by their own limitations and, of course, by Oda's imagination. On the other hand, practically every single attack style within Kishimoto's works are based around chakra. If you have a mastery of knowledge behind chakra and can use to manipulate it, you're fine. But if you are an average person and want to fight without it…well you're pretty much screwed.

BTW: I definately second "puppets" for an Oda style...even though something about DonFlamingo DonQuixote may involve some sort of DF puppetry. But what I want to see is some sort of superpowerful...hand puppet!

[Voodzik]

I think Life Return is probably the start of something big. It'll let him give non DF-users incredibly fighting styles in the future.

[shellbullet]

i thought it was a giant waste that the strawhats didn't take the time to learn a little bit about mantra while up in skypiea =P

you never know who might have the talent for it on the ship!

[COWMAKAZE]

Shellbullet made me think: Life Return and Mantra are probably along the same lines. They are just one-time deals that really just spice up a fight, yet Oda still explains the hell out of them. Which is what I love about him. It seemed like a very Kabuki thing to me, or even like samurai movies, the whole mind-over-matter thing. I doubt anyone else would learn it, and if they did they would probably be related to Kumadori in some way, because that's a very strange ability to just throw out to people. And any of the Strawhats learning it is impossible, methinks, because according to Kumadori it took a long time to master and they probably aren't going to sit in one spot too long to master it.

@Tokoro:

I think the thing differentiating between Oda and Kishimoto is the matter of "styles needed to know something". While both mangaka have many, many different styles for attack, the "how" is where they seperate. With Oda, it all depends on the mind and the imagination of the character using them, thus differentiating not only the manner you fight (DF, swords, weaponry, hand-to-hand, etc.) but also how you use what you have such as, say, two different swordsmen or two different Rokushiki users. The characters are only limited by their own limitations and, of course, by Oda's imagination.

QFT. What I love is also how their own minds and strategies make their way into each fight, along with their personalities, as opposed to in most other manga how the second a fight starts the fighter is suddenly super corageous or cocky. Plus, it's awesome how Usopp, known for his "intelligence" (well, he isn't smart, but he knows stuff, so this is the best word that came to mind) always gets an awesome strategy into a fight; Zoro, known more for brute strength and a "let's get down to buisness attitude" but is not particulalrly intelligent, gets an awesome singular final attack; Sanji, known for his cunning, flair, and agility, but still not quite as smart as Usopp, comes up with awesome combos and usually has to solve a problem to win; and Luffy, who is dumb as a sack of rocks, just keeps trying things until he finds something that works. And that goes for everyone in the series, too, these are just the ones that come to mind.

[ITSALION]

I think Life Return was just more of Oda's random crap.
He uses everything from "finger-gun" to detachable hands to…hands sprouting off stuff. There's always a surprise. That's why I like it.

[lpzie]

Ahh.. it's Life Return, I said Restore, haha. Whoops =P

But ya, now that someone brought up Mantra, I'm starting to lose hope for Kumiaori's technique. It's very weird indeed.

And I know what you guys mean about personal styles being brought into fights and stuff. Like Jerry's fighting style. Haha… Boxing gloves... but does a KICK! haha, that still has me rolling.

[Refii]

One Piece IS more original in terms of fighting than other mangas.. I don't see how you can compare the way Luffy uses his rubber body to having a fire element power rather than a butterfly element power (or whatever you're trying to compare it to).

Also a mini nuke was introduced at the end of Alabasta, when Pell saved the world, and somehow survived :/

[ITSALION]

That was retarded (Pell surviving).
I guess that's one thing all One Piece fightings have in common: NOBODY DIES.

[joekido the Second]

Like Zephos said about people dying; it was the biggest weakness of One Piece:

1. Is Morgen and Helmeppo dead?

Oda: LOL! No they are still alive!

It's okay, not a bad idea to introduce them in a side-story. **** out of *****

2. Is Buggy's dead?

Buggy: What the hell are you talking about!? Did you read my side-story? Did you read Louge Town and Jaya arcs?

Well I guess it's okay

3. Is Kuro's dead?

Kuro: LOL! No I survived! But Bunchi and Shaim's body disappeared so they'er dead!

I'll like to see him again.

4. Is Jango's dead

Jango: LOL! Stupid fanbase keeps saying I was "presumed" dead! I'm still alive! I appeared in my own side-story, in the end of the Alabasta arc and in the Goldenweek side-story!

5. Is Krieg's dead?

Krieg: Hell no!

6. Did Caure eat Goldenweek?

Goldenweek: LOL! No I'm still alive and kicking! That duck did'nt eat me! Oh if you ask me, Miss Valetine and Mr. 5 are alive with me! Oh and Bon Clay is still alive and saw Mr. 3 alive to!

7. Was Crocodile excuted?

Crocodile: LOL! No, don't listen to these so-called "interviews". I was thrown in prison. Smoker said that Daz Bones was defeated and many fans think he's dead..

Daz Bones: I'M NOT DEAD!! I'M SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO CROCODILE BREATHING!!

Crocodile: Calm down, idiot

Mr. 4: Me still alive, my gun-dog is alive…

Miss Doublefinger: I'm still alive

Miss Merry Christmas: Same as me, DUH!

8. Is Arlong dead

Arlong: LOL! No, I was alive at the anime, I may get a side-story soon.

9. Is Eneru's dead?

Eneru: LOL! No, did you see me in Maxim flying to the moon?

10. Is Payaga dead?

Payaga: LOL! No, I survived

Conis: I cried for nothing...

Readers: Chessy and lame....

11. Is Pell Dead

Pell: LOL! No, but I got a huge scar on my arm! LOL!

[lpzie]

LOL!! those "LOL"s made it hiarious.