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After all, Ace is hunting after Blackbeard for killing his fellow crewmates.
But when we meet Blackbeard, he seems to be a good natured guy (or at least morals that don't show some sadistic killer). I wonder what his story is.
I also think most people with the special D hold some type of "good-pirate" quality, if you know what I mean.
Yes, he's a good pirate. Whose sniper kills for sport and whose doctor poisons random townspeople.
he does come across as a good person, he just seems to lack focus/guidance/etc. i do think he's inteneded to be evil, however i don't feel that Oda's excelled in evil characters up till now. Ever since Eneru he's really just come into his own with that, with Lucci being the best to date.
where is this doctor poisoning people info? I think I overlooked it.
the exploding apples he gave to people
When he gave Luffy some apples. (Can't remember if they were poisoned or if they were bombs.)
Edit: captian sogeking beat me to it. ><
You're supposed to think of him however you like. Most authors, at least I think so, don't make a character so you have a certain opinion of them. He's done some things most people consider wrong, based on what we've seen and what we've heard of him. If those things are evil in your eyes, then there's your answer. If you think his personality trumps that, that again is your answer.
I don't think he's evil, I think he's just another of one of the many people in OP who just does what he wants to get what he wants. Though, he doesn't have much of a moral system compared to most people.
Who knows? I might just be wrong, and he's intended to be evil. I may just have missed it entirely.
We know blackbeard killed 2 of his fellow nakama. We don't know why, I believe the reasons behind these killings are the deciding factor in whether he is a good or bad pirate.
It could be that he is a good natured person while the rest of whitebeard's crew are bad. Without knowing more about whitebeard and his crews' intentions, it is hard to say. Oda most likely while bring this up as a major plot point in the future, I believe this because if it is important to the story, Oda will hint at it but still leave a major part out.
e.g. Shanks, people believe he is strong beause he is world famous and there are people in his crew close to 100 mill. bounty, but without knowing Shanks' bounty we can't determine his strength.
That is a common thing Oda likes to do with his story telling within One Piece.
As for the fellows in BB's crew doing bad things, it could be that they are just mischievous and like to muck around a bit.
I guess we'll all just have to watch this space. 
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okay, maybe ive read too much one piece, so i ferget easily, but….
WHEN? exactly, did we see blackbeard?
n000b questions are unfortunate, yet natural. ^^;
the Jaya Arc, when they went to Mocktown, he was at the bar, and then he spoke to luffy after he and zoro got pummelled and mocked for their request for skypiea info.
When they went to Jaya, we saw them doing various things. They were pretty much being mischievious. Before the Strawhats went to Skypiea, we found out they were the pirate crew Ace was looking for. They found out Luffy and Zoro's bounties and left to catch them. They confronted the Strawhats during the knock-up stream only to come up short, and haven't been seen since.
I've never thought of him as evil so much as he's amoral.
The way I see it, Teach is what Luffy would become if he abandoned his morals in pursuit of his dreams while Shanks is more what Luffy will be like if he stays the way he is.
His crew is the mirror image of Luffy's, so their methods are the exact opposite of each other.
Though, to be fair, we don't really know enough about Blackbeard to say one way or the other; there may well be more to the story than simply what Ace told us for instance.
I see Blackbeard as more of the "anti-hero" pirate. He says things very heroic: "A MAN'S DREAM….NEVER ENDS!"
But seems to want to topple anyone who gets in the way of what he wants. He killed two of his comades for unknown reasons. And he's gunning for Luffy in order to get into the Shichibukai or whatever he's planning.
We'll have to see more of personality develop once we see him again.
Either way, good or bad, I believe he'll make up an interesting character, once Oda chooses to delve into it.
Like people have pointed out, some of the things shown have made him look 'bad' - Nakama-killer, and attacking Drum Island - but the way he was potrayed in Jaya, he comes off as a 'good' guy, just chasing his deams.
But I like what steel guardian said, about the whole 'anti-hero' pirate.
Blackbeard might be one of those people who get their own flashback - I said MIGHT, not really basing this on anything - and turn out to be a multi-layered character who can't really be judged simply by his actions and what he says. But yeah, can't wait till the Blackbeard Arc :biggrin: . . .whenever that will be…
I think Blackbeard has potential, but honestly, One Piece is pretty much black-and-white, and Blackbeard doesnt seem to be definelely good or evil. hes very ambiguous - i mean sure, a lot of the villians have had some good traits(heck, im pretty sure we all consider aokiji and smoker good guys), but Blackbeard is different. He's quite possibly the most unpredictable character in One Piece. Oda could do anything he wants with him. Is this a good thing? only time will tell.
So far I would have to say that Blackbeard is not evil, but he is not good either. People that have dreams don't necasserily have to be good because Eneru, Crocodile and Spandam have dreams, but they were doing anything to achieve them and this might be the case with Blackbeard. I hope that its not the same case with Blackbeard because I would like him to be a good guy.
One thing that I thought was wierd was that while Blackbeard was talking to Luffy about dreams, Luffy just starred at him absolutely silent. I think that Luffy knew that he was a bad guy, but still had respect for a man with a dream.
Also remember that for some reason he is trying to become one of Shichibukai. In order to do that he has to get the attention of the World Government so he has to do "evil" things and get famous. Along with that he has to get a high bounty so thats why hes going after Luffy.
Heres the part with the apples.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter223.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4311
@Mortimer:
Nakama-killer, and attacking Drum Island - but the way he was potrayed in Jaya, he comes off as a 'good' guy, just chasing his deams.
Blackbeard killing a crewmate is something that we don't anything about other than the fact that Ace said he did it, so there's no way to tell what really happened.
On the other hand, there's a pretty good chance that what happened to Drum was the direct result of Wapol being a horse's ass and pissing off Teach. Attacking Drum seems contrary to his goal of becoming a Shichibukai.
No way to tell though, Teach might always be working for Dragon and decided to pick off a weak member of the World Government while he had a chance.
e.g. Shanks, people believe he is strong beause he is world famous and there are people in his crew close to 100 mill. bounty, but without knowing Shanks' bounty we can't determine his strength.
We know Shanks is strong because he was Mihawk's sparring partner at one time. We don't know how strong for certain, of how he fights, but if he could spar with Mihawk that makes him quite strong.
You guys seem pretty spot-on. Blackbeard may be a person who just does evil things, not a truly evil person. I don't know if he has evil intentions at all; if wanting to become a Shichibukai indicates anything, his intentions may purely be selfish.
I don't have a doubt his crew will come into conflict with Luffy's (mirror image wasted? Never!), but I don't think he's a truly evil to the core pirate. Plus, there HAS to be more to this nakama killing business than Ace is letting onto, perhaps than Ace even knows.
I don´t see him as an evil person. But he´s definitely a bad guy.
Blackbeard is a pirate in both the traditional sense (ruthless and lawless) and in the sense that Oda tries to portray-that of someone who lives by their own rules, seeks out their dreams, and doesn't give a rat's ass what people think of them. Luffy and his crew are only pirates in the Oda sense of the word. Is Blackbeard evil? He's a pirate, ain't he?
i don't necessarily think black beard is evil in the crocodile way. he is a man of ambition and does whatever he need's to get his dream accomplished. he is very dream oriented like luffy and he's a bit more rough with how he get's things done. if somebody stood in the way of luffy's dream don't you think luffy would beat the hell out of him? it's the same with blackbeard. he is going to destroy anything in his path in order to achieve his dream. we still haven't seen him do anything truly evil. maybe teach was going to leave whitebeard's crew and those two crewmates tried to stop him and he had to fight them and ended up killing them. we don't really know what was the cause of those deaths. hell zorro even told luffy if he ever stood in the way of his dream he would kill him. hopefully oda give's him a real good back story because he can be a really great character. i wonder if he is looking for one piece. if he became a schichibukai then he would have an easier time finding it since he would not have the marines after him and could do anything he wanted. i wonder if he is going to pick up a swordsman and a female just to match up with luffy's crew much more than it is now.
There is a lot to Blackbeard that Oda just hasn't told us. All we've really seen is this little bit of him in Jaya.
Blackbeard doesn't seem like that bad of guy. Personally, I luv Blackbeard. He's one of my favorite side characters so far and Whitebeard seems to be the villian between the two. Though, like I said, we know very little about both of these characters. And, if Blackbeard's personality is anything like his crew, he's not going to be a good guy.
I guess we gotta see the back story.
His whole crew is basically "you die, that is fate. You live, that is fate. Follow one's dreams, and you'll die happy whenever that happens." A little extremist about it, but then again, that's the point of a cult.
When it comes to the topic if Blackbeard is bad, I think a very important scene is the one at the bar, where Luffy and Blackbeard order cake and juice. That scene shows how similar they are, but still they are quite the opposite.
What Luffy likes Blackbeard dislikes, and what Luffy dislikes Blackbeard likes, but tothey have a similar way to reach the things they like. I think they are the perfekt rivals, and I hope Blackbeard will play a bigger role than most expect him to play, maybe he will even be the final enemy of the strawhats.
The next time Blackbeard is mentioned in the series will probably result in more information on his character, so is he evil? I don't think so, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Granted, I do think that Blackbeard might be innocent just because we only heard that story from Ace; however, I do not think that it should automatically be dismissed because he gave Luffy a rousing speech.
The light does not negate the dark.
Just because someone does something good, or cool, does not mean that they are less likely to do something horrible. Just because Blackbeard gave Luffy a rousing speech, does not make the story that he killed two of his nakama for no good reason less believable.
I mean, he hangs out with people who kill people and creatures randomly; this speaks to Blackbeard's character. Yes, they might do this for some lofty ideal, or what not, but the important thing is that they are willing to kill innocents for no good reason. That makes the story that Blackbeard killed his nalama, and that he is a bad person more believable.
i think the best way to look at blackbeard is to look at him as a rival to luffy's ambition. for instance when the two met in the bar Luffy thought the chilli pies Blackbeard liked tasted like crap where as Blackbeard thought the drink served tasted like mess unlike luffy who liked it. The two are probably on two seperate ends of the spectrum but all in all have the same drive which would make them excellent rivals
wow… the jaya arc was pretty interesting. i seem to have completely ignored it when i was reading it before. a lot of interesting things happened in there.. lol @ the blackbeard crew. they're everywhere, doing all kinds of silly things!
A bit off-topic, but this just occurred to me: Ace is pursuing Blackbeard alone, thus Ace is capable of (or believes he is capable of) defeating Blackbeard & co. alone. This either means that Blackbeard is isn't that strong, or more probable since he's hunting 100 million beli bounties, Ace is incredibly strong or counters Blackbeard's abilities. While a lot of Blackbeard's characteristics are opposite mirrors of Luffy & co., I don't think he'll be a "final enemy" because the Strawhats will have to surpass them on their way up.
I can't remember a lot about blackbeard, but Ace is part of white beard's crew, right? Maybe white beard is evil, and Ace just doesn't know. Maybe WB made up a story about how bad BB is and why Ace should go off and kick their butts. Maybe BB is really good, he just got his name dragged in the mud? I remind you, I forget the details surounding BB.
i don't think whitebeard framed blackbeard because there is no reason for him to do that. shanks and buggy left the ship they were on to pursue their dream and i think blackbeard did the same but something else happened and it resulted in the deaths of two nakama. i don't think ace knows much about blackbeard's crew since i don't think they were on whitebeard's ship. ace is going to have to fight all of blackbeard's crew if he ever catches up to him. which is why i think ace might end up getting defeated if he ever catches up to blackbeard.
Um, didn't Luffy say that he never beat Ace in a fight? Even with Gomu powers?
Well, yeah, but we have no idea how strong Ace or the Blackbeard pirates really are. So Ace getting beaten by Blackbeard or one of his crew is still possible. I mean, the guy killed people who were part of Whitebeard's crew and left. You've gotta be pretty confident about yourself to do something like that and not (seemingly) care about retribution.
I think he is a neutral.
And he will pursue Luffy for popularity. But no evil intentions. Hell he wants to be a Shichibuki, and most likely a legit one.
He's one of my favorite side characters so far and Whitebeard seems to be the villian between the two.
Uh? I don't see how Whitebeard could be seen as a villain from the very few we know of him. He's a man who can't stand someone hurting his nakamas, exactly like Luffy. I don't think he lied and accused Blackbeard of a crime he didn't commit either because Buggy seems to know Whitebeard well enough and according to the description he gave of WB it's not something he'd do. Also Shanks seems to have a respectful relationship with him, and Shanks is certainly not the type of man to befriend evil bastards.
To me Blackbeard is evil, but on a different level than the truely evil sychos like Crocodile or Enel. At least he has some redeeming qualities, like the fact he believes in dreams, he seems to be on the Buggy or Mihawk level of evilness to me.
wait, were shanks and buggy a part of WHITEBEARD'S crew? Man I hate HK subs.
wait, were shanks and buggy a part of WHITEBEARD'S crew? Man I hate HK subs.
Yeah, I said that awhile back on either these forums or the [adult swim] forums. But I'm not placing any bets on that in particularly.
^^^You have it all wrong.
Buggy and Shanks used to be on the same crew, as to under who, we don't know.
Currently, Shanks has is own crew, Buggy has his own, and Whitebeard has his own.
Didn't it show their captain in Buggy's flashback? He most certainly was not Whitebeard, he was regular human size.
Didn't it show their captain in Buggy's flashback? He most certainly was not Whitebeard, he was regular human size.
There is no evidence that that man was their captain. He's obviously a superior officer, but he could have been somebody's lieutenant.
I tend to subscribe to the idea that Whitebeard's more of a villain than Blackbeard, despite Ace's perception. Blackbeard did sack Drum, but the island was under Wapol's corrupt rule. In this repsect he could be mirroring a sense of "honour among thieves" that Luffy's crew is known for. If he was really evil and ruthless he'd probably have gotten wanted posters by now.
The circumstances of the two crewmates' deaths are still unknown and I'm betting a more surprising backstory will be revealed than the naturally assumed "Blackbeard did it out of greed/self-gain" belief.
His pirate flag has three skulls. One of my theories is that his crewmates might have been killed out of mercy, and that the two extra skulls are symbolic tributes to them.
You might have something there, Taz.
The first time I saw Blackbeard's flag, I thought "Whoa! This guy worships Baphomet?!"
I don't see him as bad he just lives life for the moment and doesn't take shit from people and his crew heavily believe in the concept of fate
First and foremost, Shanks and Buggy were on the same crew as kids. The captain of that ship is shown in the anime and not the manga. I do not think that their captain was meant to be Whitebeard one way or another though.
Secondly, Ace is the commander of Whitebeard's second fleet (Whitebeard, I assume, handles the first fleet). Blackbeard was a member of that fleet and, while there, killed some other crewmembers. Ace has taken it upon himself to deal with Blackbeard and is now searching for him. I am not sure if he could take out the posse that Blackbeard has with him. Ace may know they exist, but whether he can take them all on at once remains to be seen.
The information on Ace's and Blackbeard's connection is noted here (http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter159.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3131)).
I personally think that Oda meant Blackbeard to be a real pirate as a number of other people have mentioned. I believe that is why he gave Blackbeard, a "villain", an actual pirate's name and not Luffy. Blackbeard is merely a "real" pirate following his dreams. He could have the same dreams as Luffy (gather a crew of ten people and get One Piece, which would definitely see him confront Luffy and Whitebeard's crew later) or a polar opposite one (destroy One Piece to ensure a never-ending quest for dreams and piracy). Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Ace, Shanks, and Buggy are defintely the pirates I want to see after the current arc is finished.
i really hope the next arc involves blackbeard because i really want to see more of him and his crew. i also want to see the meeting between shanks and whitebeard.
Ok, having read Jaya now: I actually think Blackbeard may be a good guy. He looks like my dad and acts like luffy.
Well, my dad had better hair and didn't wear a hat, but whatever.
anyone else think that Blackbeard Face Smashing Sarquiss was the best Panel in mangas EVER
anyone else think that Blackbeard Face Smashing Sarquiss was the best Panel in mangas EVER
Yeah, he needed shutting up.
anyone else think that Blackbeard Face Smashing Sarquiss was the best Panel in mangas EVER
that's one of the reasons that made me like him as a character. i think blackbeard heard sarquiss laughing at luffy about dreams and then after sarquiss bumped into him he took him out for acting like an ass.
