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Are we supposed to think of Blackbeard as an evil pirate?
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That was a fucking awesome scene. I just wish Blackbeard or Luffy owned those other Bellamy crewmates.
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I just thought of something funny. It's pretty obvious that when the blackbeards and the strawhats finally face off that it will be captain on captain, brawler on brawler ect. I was just re-reading the jaya arc when I saw the part where the evil doctor gave luffy the bomb apples, this shows how the bb doctor is quite sneaky with dirty tricks. Well if the fights are correct that means the strawhat docter (Chopper) will be the one to fight the bad docter. It's going to be so funny when the ever so gullibe chopper will continually fall for dirty tricks, and his expressions will be hilarious.
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I want to see Usopp vs. Van Auger and Sanji vs. Jesus Burgess.
My favourite member of Blackbeard's crew is Burgess. Gotta love a guy who gets up on houses and challenges random people to fights. :biggrin: -
Actually, I'd like to see Robin challenge Burgess. He looks like one of those lucha Pr-Wrestlers, so I'd imagine his fighting style would make some use of submission holds, Robin's area of expertise.
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Touche. It'll be interesting to see if BB picks up any more crewmates between Jaya and wherever they meet Luffy again
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I doubt they will expand their numbers as they look as a nice close knit group anyways. Plus, I like their 'ship' as is and if they expand they will need another one, which would make me :sad:
I have a feeling that for the BB crew fight, Nami MIGHT be excluded as it might be out of her league. Blackbeard and his bunch don't seem to be the arrogent CP9 type, they will try and pummel whoever they face. Extremely remote possiblity though. Another reason I don't see Oda increasing numbers.
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Meby blackbeard and crew will attack in conjunction with another group, to make up the numbers….hmm. How many people does buggy have with him now?
That said, I think Doctor whatsit's fighting style is pill-based.
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don't forget about Laffite
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Laffite is pretty suspicous. Maybe Blackbeard is just trying to be a good man, but Laffite just keeps influencing evil into him? Remember how HE was the one who nominated Teach (Correct me if I'm wrong)? However, the fact he is pursuing a sichibukai career might let him show his true colors.
Don't forget that the sichibukai are (in general) evil since they work for the World Govt. And don't forget about how corupt and notorious people like Sir Croc and Donquixote and Arlong were, all of the above were sichibukai (Arlong being the direct subordinate of Jimbei who is undoubtadly just as treacherous and evil). Anyway, thats my 1 1/2 cents.
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We aren't sure yet the government is corrupt through and through yet just certain sections of it
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We aren't sure yet the government is corrupt through and through yet just certain sections of it
Yes–the ones in Charge. Come on man, when the head is evil so is the organization.
Now of course, T-Bone could hardly be called evil. I think when it comes down to it he'll split with the WG.
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Evil? No, I wouldn't really call them that actually, they are just doing things that makes it better for them.
Luffy and the gang could also be seen as evil, so.T-Bone is pure goodness, hah. :D It would be cool if he helped the SH at sometime later, when he realises what the WG is up to. ^^
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Evil? No, I wouldn't really call them that actually, they are just doing things that makes it better for them.
Luffy and the gang could also be seen as evil, so.T-Bone is pure goodness, hah. :D It would be cool if he helped the SH at sometime later, when he realises what the WG is up to. ^^
The Straw Hats don't do things that are better for themselves when it would hurt people who aren't their enemy. Once, they stole some gold a bunch of people didn't know was there.
The WG wiped out an entire islandfull of people to make things better for themselves.
Yes obviously, I see how this is comparable…
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Uhm, how didn't the Skypiean people know it was there?
Yes, sure, the Strawhats isn't doing things like that often or in the same league as the WG. And the WG don't hurt people they don't see as their enemy, it's just that they see everybody and everything that stands in their way as enemies. :D But if we should count the WG as evil, then almost every goverment in the real world would be evil too. ^^
But anyway, I agree with what you mean, it's most likely the five older stars that is the most corrupt, seeing that they control the most things in the WG.
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But if we should count the WG as evil, then almost every goverment in the real world would be evil too. ^^
And they aren't?
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And they aren't?
Only if you're bad and hence you hate good… so you call good bad, and bad good.... then yes, all governments are evil.
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On the global subject of geovernment, I have a test I always use to see whether or not a government is evil. I simply ask myself: Do they have to make laws to keep people from leaving their country?
If the answer is yes, chances are whatever's going on in there is something rleatively evil.
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A lot of countries sometimes impose those rules simply because emigration to another country hurts the home country real bad. For example, if half the educated people leave, then the country is going suffer. They leave because of a lack of oppurtunity/whatever reason, which in turns hurts the country's economy, which in turn creates less oppurtunity/aggrevates the problem and so on. A government's priority is a country as a whole, not certain individual peoples concept of personal success and prosperity. So if too many people are leaving, then they have to impose stricter emigration laws.
My personal test for an evil government is censorship. If the only published/available material is in line with or not too radically different from the ruling government's policies, something has to be wrong. Unless of course said material is put out in an effort to incite a mass-scale riot or something.
As for the WG, we consider them evil because their behavior seems to be contradictory to the heroes. We know they are supressing history, but we still don't know what the missing history is about. If it is something that could destablize the world as a whole, then it's a good thing that the WG is supressing it, no? I'm still going to hold out on deciding whether the Old Men are evil evil, or if they are just good but zealous.
And Blackbeard is probably evil (almost forgot to stay on topic XD)!!
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Hmm. Interesting point. THe fun part is that you censorship system actually coincides mostly with my system. Frnakly though, I think uif you're making laws about who gets to leave for any reason (other than a wanted criminal, duh) you're in serious violation of human rights, whatever your purpose.
And I disagree, blackbeard is probably good.
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Mwahahaha!! We are disagreeing!! I shall flame you till you beg for mercy!! So BEG!! Start begging now!! Else I shall devour your soul with my awsome n00bness and only-my-opnion-counts-for-and-and-everything point of view (which is the only point of view)!! The opening volley:- ur so stpuid!!11oneeleventyoneplusoneexclamationmarktimesfive
But anyways, this I guess boils down to personal taste, and I don't think I have a right to challenge something that's bound to be rather personal, so I'll side-step it enitrely.
And Blackbeard is as evil as this smiley –> :evil:!! And that's plenty evil. See those fangs? They are used to eat people. And Blackbeard has those fangs. So he eats people. People who eat people are evil. So Blackbeard=evil. Seriously though, I just see him as the evil opposite of Luffy. You know, Luffy's anti-thesis. Their minds work the same way, but see things differently (I couldn't think of a better way to say that, hope it made sense). I think that's Blackbeard's purpose in the story, a dark mirror for Luffy to see.
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that makes sense (more when you go back to their conversation with the barkeep in Jaya)
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I want to see Usopp vs. Van Auger and Sanji vs. Jesus Burgess.
My favourite member of Blackbeard's crew is Burgess. Gotta love a guy who gets up on houses and challenges random people to fights. :biggrin:Usopp vs Auge is a given, but I think Sanji will most likely be pitted against Laffite.
In what little is shown we can already see he does tap-dancing and thus probably hits heavy with his feet. Sanji seems destined for rivalries with flashy dancers.
On the World Government and Corsairs/Shichibukai(sp?): What exactly are their duties? They're definitely not pawns of the government, but might give some level of cooperation in exchange for legal protection.
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Hes got a goal and hes aiming for the top.Though he doesnt seem to be as evil as other characters weve seen,hes got a much more complicated personality then any other seen One Piece character to date.
His crewmates all act on fate,so I think he holds his own actions as doing the will of fate and as an act of "piousness" if I may use the term.
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reason that Blackbeard is an evil pirate 1. real Blackbeard is an evil pirate 2. Darkness fruit = sound really evil 3. "black" = evil 4. blackbeard face just look like a rapist :p 5. good pirate rules number 1 "never kill my nakama" he killed his nakama. 6. good pirate won't kill innocent town folks. 7. he is luffy's big time rival. and last i don't want him to be a good guy….
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But Oda doesnt make his characters to be THAT predictable,I mean,what did you guys think about Robin when she was first "onscreen"?
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But Oda doesnt make his characters to be THAT predictable,I mean,what did you guys think about Robin when she was first "onscreen"?
I thought, "Damn that chick is hot"
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…........And anyone else, besides VL7 and the Asylum boys?
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He's not evil. Neither he's a good guy. He's a pirate. Everyone for himself and God against ev'rybody.
…........And anyone else, besides VL7 and the Asylum boys?
I'm sorry but: "Damn that chick is hot!"
Maybe Oda wanted us to think that about her …? Face it, she really IS hot, with her dark skin and that beautiful Brigitte Helm nose - and that's the first thing you notice when you first meet a person called "Miss Bloody Sunday" right after she blew Igaram to smithereens. -
Hes got a goal and hes aiming for the top.Though he doesnt seem to be as evil as other characters weve seen,hes got a much more complicated personality then any other seen One Piece character to date.
His crewmates all act on fate,so I think he holds his own actions as doing the will of fate and as an act of "piousness" if I may use the term.
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Anyone who has caught up with the manga knows hes evil... why did you bump this...? :getlost: -
I wasnt around when it was new and I had my own two cents to throw in.
And I got replies from :whaleblue ,VL7 and Mantisk and they didnt complain that I brought it up.
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Congratulations, you just bumped a thread thats over a year old…
Why?
Anyone who has caught up with the manga knows hes evil... why did you bump this...? :getlost:Would you define "evil" for me please?
I dont think we can say he is evil just because he wanted that Devil Fruit Power so badly. If you define evil as in "Wanting to become a shichibukai/government dog" than you might ask yourself, aren't the government people the good people?
They try to protect the civilians from pirates, who did the hell of a lot more bad than good. -
Like anihilating Ohara and its entiere population,all unarmed,including women and litle children by a fleet of ten masive batleships.
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Lets be fair, All pirates are evil, what with the stealing and looting. But blackbeard is a murdering git. Seems like a fine guy, but you know…murder. ...yeah, not particularity nice is it?
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I think you"re all getting it wrong with Blackbeard, he"s a pure hearted pirate and has his own dreams that are bad in the way we loock at it, his intentions are only bad if we loock at him with Ace"s eyes. But pirates are so that they want to acomplish their own dreams and Blackbeard"s dreams are just something unnfamiliar in the OP world. His character is pure and honest but his intentions and dreams are just slightly on the oposite of Whitebeard"s and Ace"s and that makes him evil to many people.
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no so much evil as he is determind to achieve his goals and uncaring of those he hurtst to achieve his goals. So not essentially evil but more of a black knight type character. Black knights are those who trade there sould for power in order to achieve a good deed but without there soul they become corrupt.
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another 4 replies to a topic that I "bumped" by bringing it back up.I am so evil.
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I think you"re all getting it wrong with Blackbeard, he"s a pure hearted pirate and has his own dreams that are bad in the way we look at it, his intentions are only bad if we look at him with Ace"s eyes. But pirates are so that they want to acomplish their own dreams and Blackbeard"s dreams are just something unnfamiliar in the OP world. His character is pure and honest but his intentions and dreams are just slightly on the oposite of Whitebeard"s and Ace"s and that makes him evil to many people.
Thats a fair point, but I'd Still say hes evil no matter hows hes viewed. He killed his Namaka for his own gain and although he has his own dream, from what we've seen, its for power for powers sake. He's more of an ambiguous evil as he's so far been presented as a dark foil of Luffy and shares many of the qualities the main hero of the story has.
another 4 replies to a topic that I "bumped" by bringing it back up.I am so evil.
I think its because with some of bumps that you have been making, you've had slightly pointless points (Oxymoron win!), but I'd say this thread revivals quite valid
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he killed his crew member to steal the devil fruit, darkness….
yea, hes evil. hahaaha
if you think thats "ok" well.. then i guessto you hes not evil, but so far, all his actions have been pretty selfish and none selfless.good speaches but nothing more.
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Bellamy didnt EVEN put up a speach,he was completely worthless compared to BB in that arc,even when we didnt know who he is.
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Yea if we compare him to Bellamy he has more pride but if you supose that Blackbeard has a dream and that he is convinced in the fact that the so called new pirate era is deep shit then you cann asume that he trully is a real pirate wich is equal to Luffy in his dediction to his dream but they are tottaly different characters coz they have unsimilair metods to achive their dreams.
Blacbeard is not truly evil he just has a oposite method of achieving his dream than Luffy. And what if Whitebeard is the one true main bad guy, ever thought of that? -
I don't reckon Whitebeard would be set up as a main bad guy, mabey a major opponent, but hes been shown to a be a Luffy-esq pirate in the same kind of way as shanks. Plus I think white beard will 'retire' for the race for pirate king when he meets Luffy and have a whole 'inherited will' moment, see a him as a young roger and pull a shanks (investing in the future kind of thing). But I digress.
Because he has pride and dreams, it may make him likable as a character to us, but they don't give him immunity from being evil. He'd be better described as passionate then plain evil, like all D's, or driven. They all have a dream they pursue, its just he's taken a road less travel and much darker.
There's not going to be a definitive answer anytime soon, as the snippets of what we've seen of him has as a much more 3-dimensional nemesis then anyone else thats really been or is against the strawhats, and i think that really is a testament to Oda's writing.
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Okay, let's do it like that.
Luffy = good, Enel = bad.
Luffy saves countries.
Enels destroyed his homeland.
BB raided fucking desperate for freedom Drum./thread
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Lets review the BB Pirates shall we?
Teach-Killed his own Nakama. Ransacked Drum to the point that people were extremely distrustful of the SH's to the point that one of them shot Vivi without provocation (and I doubt Teach cared about what Wapol was doing to his people since I don't see why Teach couldn't have just killed Wapol and not sacked Drum). Rampaged through Barano.
Lafitte:Was banned from a entire Ocean.
Burgess:Walked around Jaya and beat and maybe even killed random people.
Van Auger:Shoots at birds simply to see if they would suffer or not.
Doc Q.:Hands Explosive apples to random civilians which pretty much causes to have a gruesome death.
Yeah sounds pretty evil to me.
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Lets review the BB Pirates shall we?
Teach-Killed his own Nakama. Ransacked Drum to the point that people were extremely distrustful of the SH's to the point that one of them shot Vivi without provocation (and I doubt Teach cared about what Wapol was doing to his people since I don't see why Teach couldn't have just killed Wapol and not sacked Drum). Rampaged through Barano.
Lafitte:Was banned from a entire Ocean.
Burgess:Walked around Jaya and beat and maybe even killed random people.
Van Auger:Shoots at birds simply to see if they would suffer or not.
Doc Q.:Hands Explosive apples to random civilians which pretty much causes to have a gruesome death.
Yeah sounds pretty evil to me.
But this is what all pirates do… to be banned, to have fights, to shoot at birds (c'on)... Rampaged through Barano: what's that? Would you say Luffy is even eviler because everywhere he goes rampage?
The only thing evil here is killing a nakama.
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But the question is:DOES Oda make OBVIOUS characters?
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Most of the people in this thread seem to be confusing "good" and "likable."
He's evil and likable. I don't know how there's any room for debate there.
