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    Will the Strawhat's ever do something "evil"

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    • Darkariel
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      @_Meh_:

      I know what you meant, and I'm not criticizing your spelling, but MAN! What a mental image that left me with!:wacko:

      Good one I guess I was sleepy when I wrote that but have already edited it

      Well my point is that it all depends on the point of view

      The strawhats point of view the W.G. is evil and up to no good

      The W.G. point of view the strawhats are evil and up to no good

      The people the strawhats helped their good friends

      And finally the reader point of view they good and are fighting an injust W.G. (this is at least my point of view, maybe some others think diferently)

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        I think we all know the Merry's hold was actually filled with childrens corpses.
        hint hint

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          Also, cows and pigs everywhere think Luffy is pure evil for eating so many of their kindred.

          I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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            Yes they did- they stole gold from Skypiea, I mean THE CAPTAIN SAID IT DAMNIT!
            Though if you come to think about it…..non of the Skypiea residents might've known about the gold Luffy & co. stole from there ^_^;;;.

            Umm OK how about taking the Foxy Pirates' flag? I mean isn't that 'evil'?

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              SH's are the defination of evil!!!! Everyone who likes them is equally evil!! You're all evil!!

              I only read OP to see the WG win in the end 😃

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                I'll accept your sarcasm.
                The Straw Hats aren't evil. That's like saying Obi-wan Kenobi was evil. Or Harry S Truman. They just did what needed to be done.
                CP9 is far more evil than the SHs.

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                  And what needed to be done can be called evil by whoever thinks it such.

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                    Maybe Luffy will actually kill someone for once. coughLuccicough

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                      @IT'S:

                      The Straw Hats aren't evil. That's like saying Obi-wan Kenobi was evil. Or Harry S Truman. They just did what needed to be done.
                      CP9 is far more evil than the SHs.

                      first of i never ever expected anyone to compare Obi-wan kenobi with the guy who dropped the A-bomb:blink:

                      And secondly since you think dropping the A-bomb wasnt evil cause it was what needed to be done couldnt one also say that CP9 arent evil either cause they were just doing what they had to to insure the survival of their world….

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                          I'm sure whoever had to unclog the toilet Luffy used at whiskey peak considers the Strawhats pure evil.

                          Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                          Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                            War is often referred to as a 'necessary evil';indeed, the phrase is used so often as to soften the sense of two seperate words into a single phrase, one whose meaning is glossed over by political diatribe in favor of following their own course of action with justification from those who must pay the most for it. Necessary has the meaning of being vital to a thing's existance; evil refers to a complete abandonment of morality and restraint in favor of personal gratification, especially at the cost of others. 'Necessary Evil', then, can be understood as something done for one's own survival, but at the cost of the survival of another, often without prior aggression on the part of the deceased.

                            Much has been said by people arguing in favor of as well as against the use of the atomic bomb in Japan.Much less is said about the Bat-Bomb. Perhaps because the notion of the Bat-Bomb is so repellant.

                            Essentially, a few dozen bats would have incindiary devices attatched to them and then be placed inside tubes in a large metal container. The container would then be dropped off of a B-29 or similar bomber over targets during daytime bombing runs. A small explosive would break open the container, setting the bats free. Instinctively, the bats would flee the sunlight and seek shelter in the nearest dark crevices. Since the bombers' targets were in areas of moderate population density, these crevices were typically the eaves of houses. Most Japanese homes at this time were still constructed in the traditional fashion: Rice paper made up both doors and walls, and ceilings were usually of thatch. All highly combustible. When the timers went off, the bats exploded in a fiery death along with the roof of whatever unfortunate house they had sheltered in. In this way, large settlement for the purposes of training or housing factory workers could be dissuaded.

                            Some military tacticians would argue that the Bat-Bomb was a 'necessary evil', as they argue that all war is. I wholeheartedly agree. It is evil by the sheer brutality of the act. It is necessary because human beings are fundamentally stupid creatures that cannot behave civilly in large groups. That online forums have yet to produce a string of gruesome, retaliatory murders is a wonder to me, and perhaps a testament that humans are beginning to mature socially as well as technologically. It is encouraging to think so.

                            Would Luffy and Crew ever engage in any 'necessary evil'? I like to think not. Maybe a little necessary mischief, now and then.

                            And don't even get me started on the root of the word testament and its close relative, testify.:laugh:

                            I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                              No one is perfect, One Piece avoids judging people in one big picture and this manga puts realism in it.

                              Currently writing a book

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                                I think that it's a fairly safe bet that the Strawhats won't do something evil because they intended to. It's more like unforseen consequences. That's what I think Smokers reason for chasing Luffy is. He doesn't see Luffy becoming a pirate who stains the sea red with the blood of the innocent. But he does see Luffy as simeler to Roger, the last pirate king. Since the loss of the prevous pirate king destabilized the world, he may worry about the upheavel the crowning of a new Pirate king would have on the world.
                                As for overthrowing the world goverment, that also isn't really something the Strawhats would think of doing, but be more of an effect. The would'nt try to overthrow the goverment to cause chaos, or take over the world. In fact I can see the smarter strawhats worrying about their actions. If the strawhats do overthrow the Gerosai it'll be becase the threated Luffie's Nakama and Luffy decided to send them flying.
                                Now another question to ask is would the world govt be compleatly destroyed or would it just be the Gerosai? If the corrupt leaders are elimenated, then someone else could come to power, but still use the organization for good or ill.

                                Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                                  Yes they did- they stole gold from Skypiea, I mean THE CAPTAIN SAID IT DAMNIT!
                                  Though if you come to think about it…..non of the Skypiea residents might've known about the gold Luffy & co. stole from there ^_^;;;.

                                  Umm OK how about taking the Foxy Pirates' flag? I mean isn't that 'evil'?

                                  Well if you think about it, since Luffy thought of it as stealing, that makes it evil in intent.

                                  @_Meh_:

                                  War is often referred to as a 'necessary evil';indeed, the phrase is used so often as to soften the sense of two seperate words into a single phrase, one whose meaning is glossed over by political diatribe in favor of following their own course of action with justification from those who must pay the most for it. Necessary has the meaning of being vital to a thing's existance; evil refers to a complete abandonment of morality and restraint in favor of personal gratification, especially at the cost of others. 'Necessary Evil', then, can be understood as something done for one's own survival, but at the cost of the survival of another, often without prior aggression on the part of the deceased.

                                  Much has been said by people arguing in favor of as well as against the use of the atomic bomb in Japan.Much less is said about the Bat-Bomb. Perhaps because the notion of the Bat-Bomb is so repellant.

                                  Essentially, a few dozen bats would have incindiary devices attatched to them and then be placed inside tubes in a large metal container. The container would then be dropped off of a B-29 or similar bomber over targets during daytime bombing runs. A small explosive would break open the container, setting the bats free. Instinctively, the bats would flee the sunlight and seek shelter in the nearest dark crevices. Since the bombers' targets were in areas of moderate population density, these crevices were typically the eaves of houses. Most Japanese homes at this time were still constructed in the traditional fashion: Rice paper made up both doors and walls, and ceilings were usually of thatch. All highly combustible. When the timers went off, the bats exploded in a fiery death along with the roof of whatever unfortunate house they had sheltered in. In this way, large settlement for the purposes of training or housing factory workers could be dissuaded.

                                  The bat bomb was also a massive failure; no test actually worked. The bats were put in frozen hibernation before they were released, and they woke too slowly to be used as a weapon.

                                  @_Meh_:

                                  Some military tacticians would argue that the Bat-Bomb was a 'necessary evil', as they argue that all war is. I wholeheartedly agree. It is evil by the sheer brutality of the act. It is necessary because human beings are fundamentally stupid creatures that cannot behave civilly in large groups. That online forums have yet to produce a string of gruesome, retaliatory murders is a wonder to me, and perhaps a testament that humans are beginning to mature socially as well as technologically. It is encouraging to think so.

                                  No, it's a testament that countries advanced enough to produce electricity by and large have matured socially.

                                  If you want to gety down to it, in Saudi Arabia (for example) it probably would result in retaliatory killings. Then again tribal killing is so common in a country like that, who'd notice?

                                  Society has not matured evenly; it even occasionally regresses. Arabia was once the central focus of mathematics, art, culture, peace, and religious tolerance. Then the Shi'ites came. But that's a story for another time.

                                  The point I'm trying to make is that you can't unilaterally say we're all maturing. America, the UK, japan, and China are all maturing. Most of the middle east is still very immature, and large portions of Europe seem to be going backwards (France)

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                                      @Voodzik:

                                      The point I'm trying to make is that you can't unilaterally say we're all maturing. America, the UK, japan, and China are all maturing. Most of the middle east is still very immature, and large portions of Europe seem to be going backwards (France)

                                      and in what way do you think that the US and the UK have matured that France and other Europan countries hasnt ?
                                      give some concrete evidence on why you are so much better and more evolved than us please…..

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                                          and in what way do you think that the US and the UK have matured that France and other Europan countries hasnt ?
                                          give some concrete evidence on why you are so much better and more evolved than us please…..

                                          My problms with france start with their actions just after the revolutionary war and go till present day. And I don't think the US and UK are more advanced than other european countries: I think France may be backsliding.

                                          Europe invented freedom of speach and press. The articles of Magna Carta were the first step towards modern democracy, and Europ has always been (despite even incidents like the Inquistion) the place where religion could most freely be practiced. I have great respect for European countries.

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                                            My problms with france start with their actions just after the revolutionary war and go till present day. And I don't think the US and UK are more advanced than other european countries: I think France may be backsliding.

                                            That's not explaining anything. Be more precise please. Why exactly do you think France is "backsliding", that's really interesting for me as a frenchman.

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                                              @Aldrich:

                                              That's not explaining anything. Be more precise please. Why exactly do you think France is "backsliding", that's really interesting for me as a frenchman.

                                              Ok, you pushed me.

                                              Caucasian french people are below replacemen tlevel. Do you know what that means? it means you're going extinct. More people are dying than being born.

                                              That's just the first part. You're sheer refusal to make any attempt to naturalize your citizens-to the point where in many cases Arabs are not even prosecuted for killings amongst themselves-has given France a huge and still growing muslum population that is more radical than any other in the world. These are the people you're handing france off to.

                                              Finally, you just had practically a solid month of riots. First the muslum race riots, then the "labor" riots. I seem to remember the "riots" started because France was considering going over to the same laws about hiring and firing every other country on earth has; that didn't do so well for your national image, you just came over as whiners, but that's another story.

                                              The point is that when your country goes through a series of riots that last that long, something is very very wrong. And while we're at it, for all you make fun of our lax gun control laws, we've never had rioters carrying M16's in our capitol city. Plus the jews are leaving. Whenever the jews leave a european country, things are about to get bad. Don't just take my word for it, look at the history.

                                              I have nothing against france. In fact I find it depressing that the nation acting as custodian to so much of the great artworks created by western culture seems so determined to leap bass ackwards down the society scale. But you're rioting every five minutes, you've got racial tensions coming out the roof, and you're literally dying out.

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                                                Ok, you pushed me.

                                                Caucasian french people are below replacemen tlevel. Do you know what that means? it means you're going extinct. More people are dying than being born.

                                                Awesome, starting strongly aren't you? Sorry if I may sound rude, hey I'm french after all, but I don't see any other way to put it: you pulled that straight out of your ass. France has the best birthrate in Europe with Ireland, and there's simply no way to determine if it's due to immigrants from Africa or "caucasian french people" as these kind of statistics are simply not published. Maybe you can provide me a link to such data, and not from Stormfront.com please.

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                                                That's just the first part. You're sheer refusal to make any attempt to naturalize your citizens-to the point where in many cases Arabs are not even prosecuted for killings amongst themselves-has given France a huge and still growing muslum population that is more radical than any other in the world. These are the people you're handing france off to.

                                                Sorry mate, but what the fuck are you talking about? Refusal to naturalize citizens? Our muslim population has the french nationality in vast majority. Huge muslim population? Still a minority (4 millions out of 62 millions), over dramatisation, much? The french Muslim population is the more radical one in the world? More radical than the dutch one, where people get their throat cut open fro criticizing islam? More radical than the muslim population of the UK, that country you find so advanced compared to us, what about the London subway bombings and the Londonistan? Are you fucking retarded?

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                                                Finally, you just had practically a solid month of riots. First the muslum race riots, then the "labor" riots. I seem to remember the "riots" started because France was considering going over to the same laws about hiring and firing every other country on earth has; that didn't do so well for your national image, you just came over as whiners, but that's another story.

                                                The point is that when your country goes through a series of riots that last that long, something is very very wrong. And while we're at it, for all you make fun of our lax gun control laws, we've never had rioters carrying M16's in our capitol city. Plus the jews are leaving. Whenever the jews leave a european country, things are about to get bad. Don't just take my word for it, look at the history.

                                                I take it you're american? And you're lecturing us on riots and racial tension? Oh the irony. Hurricane Katrina anyone?

                                                I have nothing against france. In fact I find it depressing that the nation acting as custodian to so much of the great artworks created by western culture seems so determined to leap bass ackwards down the society scale. But you're rioting every five minutes, you've got racial tensions coming out the roof, and you're literally dying out.

                                                Yeah yeah, the usual french bashing bullshit. Thanks for confirming what I though anyway. And sorry for the off topic, I understand this is not the place for such debates but I'm sick and tired of morons taking cheap shots at my country every time they can.

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                                                  And while we're at it, for all you make fun of our lax gun control laws, we've never had rioters carrying M16's in our capitol city.

                                                  maybe not but youve gotta admit that people have a right to criticize your gun control laws i mean the rate of firearms related deaths in the US is seriously disturbing every day more than 80 americans die from being shot and what bothers me even more is that among children it is almost 12 times higher chance of being killed by gun violence in the US than in 25 other industrialized countries combined:blink:,

                                                  i really think a change in Gun control laws would lead to a better america😉

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                                                    So me the place with no problems and I'll show you utopia. And Utopia is anceint greek for no-where. We can but try to improve things as best we can, guided by our conceiences.

                                                    Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                                    Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                                                      maybe not but youve gotta admit that people have a right to criticize your gun control laws i mean the rate of firearms related deaths in the US is seriously disturbing every day more than 80 americans die from being shot and what bothers me even more is that among children it is almost 12 times higher chance of being killed by gun violence in the US than in 25 other industrialized countries combined:blink:,

                                                      i really think a change in Gun control laws would lead to a better america😉

                                                      I think it's monstroulsy impractical, but the point is worth debating.
                                                      Aldrich, suggest we either drop this, continue it in PM, or open up a topic in general discussion. Agreed?

                                                      And finally, to round us back to topic, the SH's so did evil when they stole the skypean gold.

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                                                        And I counter by calling the theft of the Skypiean gold 'mischief'. The loss of what Luffy and his crew stole in no way harmed the Skypiean or Shandian people. Indeed, they took less than was being offered to them. Another point was when Nami rejoined the crew at the end of the Arlong Arc. She stole the wallets from everyone on Cocoyashi, but left the ninety-three million she'd collected behind to help rebuild. They actually try to leave a bad taste in people's mouths when they leave, but they do so by commiting misdemeanors and petty thefts. They want people to think badly of them because they're pirates; they just don't want them them to think too badly of them.

                                                        I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                                                          Come to think of it the Strawhats have been chased out of a lot of places.
                                                          Sort of from the island that Luffy rescued Zoro from by marines.
                                                          Chased by the townspeople at the end of the Buggy arc.
                                                          The wallet incedent at cocoyashi.
                                                          Chased by Smokers marines in Lougetown.
                                                          Chased by Kureha at drum.
                                                          Chased by Navy at Albastia.
                                                          Chased by Natives at Skypia.

                                                          Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                                          Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                                                            Come to think of it the Strawhats have been chased out of a lot of places.
                                                            Sort of from the island that Luffy rescued Zoro from by marines.
                                                            Chased by the townspeople at the end of the Buggy arc.
                                                            The wallet incedent at cocoyashi.
                                                            Chased by Smokers marines in Lougetown.
                                                            Chased by Kureha at drum.
                                                            Chased by Navy at Albastia.
                                                            Chased by Natives at Skypia.

                                                            Most of those occasions don't count.

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                                                              Come to think of it the Strawhats have been chased out of a lot of places.
                                                              Sort of from the island that Luffy rescued Zoro from by marines.
                                                              Chased by the townspeople at the end of the Buggy arc.
                                                              The wallet incedent at cocoyashi.
                                                              Chased by Smokers marines in Lougetown.
                                                              Chased by Kureha at drum.
                                                              Chased by Navy at Albastia.
                                                              Chased by Natives at Skypia.

                                                              The wallet incident was Nami way of saying goodbye to Cocoyashi Village people

                                                              Smoker was because they are pirates

                                                              Kureha because she wanted Chopper to go with them

                                                              The Marines in Alabasta is Smoker reason again

                                                              The Skypieans they wanted to give them the giant gold pole

                                                              Althought the Strawhats are Pirates so they have to do some evil deeds just for the fun of it

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                                                                uhhhhh they are Pirates fighting against the government…....but other than that (its not proven wether or not the world needs a Revolution or not)

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                                                                  Wow, some nice debating going on here. Off topic, but interesting none-the-less.

                                                                  As for the Strawhats and WG and being evil, ultimately it is more about what each person considers acceptable justice, and not good or evil. For example, the Strawhats took down Crocodile in Alabasta. No one can deny that being a good thing. However, the reason the Gorousei are upset is because the Strawhats do not represent the law of the OP world. They really don't have the authority to go around taking down criminals. That is what vigilantes do. Sure this is a manga, and all American comic book superheroes are vigilantes as well and they seem good, but in reality this will most likely backfire. Firstly, the WGs credibility with the Alabasta crown is probably severley damaged. Why? Because the WG failed to do it's duty, much the same way the Alabasta people viewed Crocodile as a hero and frowned upon the Royal Army. When the rulers of a country loose a certain degree of respect for you in a body that is comprised of global rulers, it is going to hurt you bad. Look at the UN. One permanent member of the security council can effectively shutdown any effort if they want to. It will hurt the WG in a similar way here. After all, I'm sure Alabasta does put some money into the World Government. This might be reduced or given only with stringent conditions. This leads to another problem for the WG…Public Relations or PR. They already said they cannot let the world know a pirate was responsible for taking down Crocodile. Yes, it came of as an evil act, but really, if you were a citizen of the OP world, how safe would you feel if you heard pirates, by default consideration a group of people who are murderers and pillagers, beating up a government sanctioned person? You won't see the Strawhats in a heroic light, oh no. The first thought that will cross your mind will be, "What the hell is the WG doing? Am I safe?"

                                                                  Furthermore, look at it this way. If the Strawhat crew are going to involve themselves in such things, why not just join the Marines? That's what the Marines are for. Whether the Marines do this or not is a different story, but failure of the Marines doesn't allow another person to do what their job. In India, corruption is a MAJOR problem. The mindset is if your a politician, you are corrupt. To prove otherwise is a hard task. But that does not give me the right to go and take down corrupt officials. That's the law enforcement's job. If I want, I can always join the police force, or the CBI (India's FBI) and try to met out justice. Try to work within the system, no matter how hard it is. Working outside it would make the average person think that I'm a militant, someone who is trying to promote his own ideology in any way I can. I have no right to do that, unless it is an extreme situation such as under a dictaorship. Then, my ideology is conflicting with someone who is forcing his ideology on others. No one wil complain then.

                                                                  So again, this really doesn't fit into a good or evil thing. It's more of a lawful/chaos arguement. Centralized gorvernment vs. anarchy. Centralized government means you are opting for someone else to make your laws and keep you safe, and you will most likely not be part of the decision making process. Anarchy doesn't mean chaos, it just means there is no governing body which in turns ideally should lead to everyone in a society being involved in a decision making process with no one person having more authority than the other...also there are no centralized laws, everyone works on morals; if something is morally wrong you yourself try and stop it or vice versa. Pick which side you choose, and when you do, you will have answered whether you think the Strawhats will do something/are doing bad things or not.

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                                                                    Your forgetting that the Goverment sanctioned Crocodile was prevously a pirate himself. The only major difference is that he happened to cut a deal with the goverment, and was good at fooling people. It looks like to the people of Albastia it mattered far less that the Strawhats were pirates and not goverment officails than that they saved the country. If Aokiji had gotten to the country much earlier than he had been planning, uncovered Crocodiles plan and saved the day, I think he would have gotten much the same treatment.

                                                                    Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                                                    Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                                                                      Of course, my ideas aren't ironclad, and I myself could exceptions to what I said. It was more of a this-is-more-likely-to-happen thing. But don't forget, the only people who know of the Strawhat pirates involement in Alabasta are the Strawhats themselves, the Royal Family and their confidants, and the higher ups in the World Government. The average Alabasta citizen thinks it's Smoker who saved the day (judging by the fact they didn't know who Vivi was talking to during the broadcast).

                                                                      Also, Aokiji's treatment would have been significantly different if he saved the day. For example, the Royal Family wouldn't have had to hide him in the palace. He probably would have received a parade, had some public dinners in his honor etc. Even Cobra could not allow people to know he was harboring pirates. One reason was the WG. The other reason could also be his people wouldn't have liked the notion their king was consorting with pirates, given all that had happened. There was a chance, and a good one since the king had already been accused of a massacre, that the people would look on him negatively.

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                                                                        Good points.

                                                                        Now here's something I've been wondering. Just how corrupt is the world goverment? The Gerosai are, or at least are willing to kill to keep their secret.
                                                                        Then theirs Spandam and CP9, and at the lower levels you run into unrelated corruption like Nezumi and Morgan. On the other hand you also have a lot of people like Smoker, and T-bone. Aokiji seems like he's fairly uncorrupt too.

                                                                        Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                                                        Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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                                                                          Well I wouldn't call the Gorosei corrupt, they just belive that what they are doing is good, even if that means killing people. We don't know much about them, we dont know how long they have been in power. We know that they are extremely harsh on pirates(who wouldn't be) people studying forbidden history, but we don't know how harsh they punish people for other crimes. It could be that they are actualy trying to protect the world.
                                                                          Who knows maybe their predecessors were "weak" and that lead to great suffering.

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                                                                            I always thought the Gorousei were just a bunch of power hungry bastards.

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                                                                              We need more info on the Gorousei to judge them. (for example) It could be that someone drugged Gol. D Roger, he started going crazy/attacking people, and they decided to band together to control him. Any number of things could be the truth when it comes to them, only Oda knows. However what I think is either one of two things.

                                                                              1. They are truly evil
                                                                              2. They are good, but don't realize someone in a lower rank is controling/shifting things into his design and not allowing them to find out about him/her.
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                                                                                I agree that more info about the Gerosai is needed. I'm really coruous about what is so terrible that they have been willing to cover it up for hundreds of years. I mean the Catholic Church admits to the Inquististion and the horrors that it caused, but it's not like anyone really considers it too relevent nowdays. Kingdoms get overthrown, even if it's for the worse. That's part of history. So what is it that has them so worried that they are still hiding it?
                                                                                One thing I honestly belive is that the whole of the world goverment does not need to be dismantled. Their definetly needs to be some housecleaning to deal with elements like CP9 and Nezumi. And if they are corrupt the Gerosai need to be replaced. But the actual structere should be salvagable and with a new manegment could do well. Of course this being the great age of piracy would make govermental transistions very tricky. But I theorize that the advent of a new pirate king could end the current age of piracy…

                                                                                Let us hope Luffy does not copy one of Frankeys moves.

                                                                                Just imagine Gomu Gomu Coup de Poo…

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