Until now the Strawhat's have always done something "good", something that was beneficial for island's(defeated Morgan, Buggy, Arlong), country's(Drum, Alabasta) and saved hundred's of people from tyrants, dictators and megalomaniacs(Wapol, Sir Crocodile and Enel).
But will they ever do something that will have a negative impact on people, what I want to say, will their actions lead to war, death and sorrow, something that will make people hate them. Until now people love them(those they saved) or fear them(Marines), but i don't think somebody actualy hate's them. Will something like that happen?
You could say attacking the World Guvernment is something "evil", but the WG is corrupt and something short of a fascist state, so it's not such a evil act.
Will the Strawhat's ever do something "evil"
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If you look at it from the WG's point of view, the Strawhats already ARE evil.
So the Strawhats have already done an evil thing: Being brazen enough to invade the Symbol of justice of the World Government, Enies Lobby.
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It sounds like you sorta answered your own question towards the end. Anyhow I think there might be something sinister about luffy's family that he is yet to reveal but hides everything behind a mask of smiles. Nah seriously I dont think the have any evil intentions so therefore wouldn't do anything evil…why would they?.
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Well, all those marines and WG agents that got beat up may not have been corrupt. It isn't so far-fetched to believe that some of them want to fight for justice, instead of achieving their own means like Morgan, Nezumi, or Spandam. So, I'm going to agree with Master O.
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Didn't they steal a crapload of gold in skypea?
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i thought they took the gold and bolted, and left thinking they stole it, even though the people of skypia were going to offer it to them, but i dont remember them being aware of it.
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']i thought they took the gold and bolted, and left thinking they stole it, even though the people of skypia were going to offer it to them, but i dont remember them being aware of it.
Yeah. I believe it was Luffy, Chopper, and Usopp that didn't know. Zoro and Robin told Nami to let them have their fun, even though they knew the truth.
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I thought the gold thing would come up. But that did not have a negative effect on the people, they even wanted to give them more gold, just as paptschik says.
Ok from the point of view of the WG they are doing an evil thing, but as i sayed they are attacking a fascist like state. That way you could say that the resistence movement's who where fighting the soldiers of Nazi Germany are also evil. Because as the Strawhat's they attacked soldiers, and not the guvernment officials(who were actualy the evil people and not the soldiers who were doing what they were order to do) directly.
But let's forget the world guvernment will Luffy and his crew ever do something bad and horrible to civillians, normal, innocent people, not necessary because they wanted to, by accident or something similar.
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I thought the gold thing would come up. But that did not have a negative effect on the people, they even wanted to give them more gold, just as paptschik says.
Ok from the point of view of the WG they are doing an evil thing, but as i sayed they are attacking a fascist like state. That way you could say that the resistence movement's who where fighting the soldiers of Nazi Germany are also evil. Because as the Strawhat's they attacked soldiers, and not the guvernment officials(who were actualy the evil people and not the soldiers who were doing what they were order to do) directly.
But let's forget the world guvernment will Luffy and his crew ever do something bad and horrible to civillians, normal, innocent people, not necessary because they wanted to, by accident or something similar.I'm sure it will come up soon. The Straw-Hats will be blamed for an upcoming incident, most likely a buster call, but will have no idea about it. It'll be sort of like the Drum Arc, because it will be important but not the main part of the current arc in place. The Straw-Hats will be shunned and hated, beaten up and such, but won't "return fire" so to speak. Then Luffy will have to fight somebody over it, but won't fight back saying things like, "They deserve to be mad." Then Franky will butt in (considering he joins obviously) and tell Luffy something dramatic and it will own, but then Luffy will still refuse to fight.
You know what I mean?
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Well, from the point of view of someone who never met the SH and reads about them in the newspaper (the one those birds send to everyone), they're pretty much evil :
- invaded Enies Lobby to free a criminal
- destroyed the Galey-La Company, Dock 1, Puffing Tom and Rocket Man on Water Seven
- stole gold on Skypiea (though no one will know)
- made a mess in Jaya
- destroyed Rain Dinners and some marine ships in Alabasta
- overthrew Drum's king (not seen as evil outside of Drum)
- killed bounty hunters on Whiskey Peak (bounty hunters are on the side of law after all)
- created a spectacular scene and fought marines in Logue Town
The SH's good deeds are only known by those who benefited from these deeds.
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Ok from the point of view of the WG they are doing an evil thing, but as i sayed they are attacking a fascist like state. That way you could say that the resistence movement's who where fighting the soldiers of Nazi Germany are also evil.
The World Government in One Piece can't be compared to the Nazis. Racism and Mass-Murder aren't part of the WG's ideology and I have significant doubts that Oda wanted to depict it that way! The vast majority of people is safe in the OP-World: They live happy lives and the WG assures their safety without any major restrictions, without ever experiencing something evil from their government. That's not very Nazi-like.
Ao Kiji already stated the problem: "Justice depends on the personal point of view"! From Luffy's point of view it's okay to severly injure several thousand innocent Marines just to save one (!) person. But if you look at it from the marine's or even from the normal citizen's point of view, then the strawhats will clearly become "terrorists".
Rather than comparing the WG to the Nazis the comparism with the current, western civilization is much more accurate: We all safely live in prosperity, protected by our states - Ignoring the fact, that our governments wage wars in other parts of the world just to assure this safety and prosperity.
Invading foreign countries preemtively to assure one's safety, arresting people because of their "danger" for our society, transfering them into military prisons to pressure information out of them and last but not least prison directors beating their inmates to pulp, just for the fun of it - What was I talking about? One Piece or our role in the Middle East? XD
And what are people who fight against this? Heroes or Terrorists? Are they good or are they evil? Who can possibly decide that? XD
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so duce of trans think about it cause I think Oda also wants us to think a little about it even if he only sends us small subliminal signs
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true.
And just adding to the "justice" point of view, what would a normal citizen do if he saw Usopp burning the world government flag?
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The World Government in One Piece can't be compared to the Nazis. Racism and Mass-Murder aren't part of the WG's ideology and I have significant doubts that Oda wanted to depict it that way! The vast majority of people is safe in the OP-World: They live happy lives and the WG assures their safety without any major restrictions, without ever experiencing something evil from their government. That's not very Nazi-like.
Ao Kiji already stated the problem: "Justice depends on the personal point of view"! From Luffy's point of view it's okay to severly injure several thousand innocent Marines just to save one (!) person. But if you look at it from the marine's or even from the normal citizen's point of view, then the strawhats will clearly become "terrorists".
Rather than comparing the WG to the Nazis the comparism with the current, western civilization is much more accurate: We all safely live in prosperity, protected by our states - Ignoring the fact, that our governments wage wars in other parts of the world just to assure this safety and prosperity.
Invading foreign countries preemtively to assure one's safety, arresting people because of their "danger" for our society, transfering them into military prisons to pressure information out of them and last but not least prison directors beating their inmates to pulp, just for the fun of it - What was I talking about? One Piece or our role in the Middle East? XD
And what are people who fight against this? Heroes or Terrorists? Are they good or are they evil? Who can possibly decide that? XD
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I strongly disagree as to the WG not beeing a fascist state, you say mass-murder is not part of their agenda, i can say only one thing Ohara. OK the scholars "broke the law", because they were studying forbidden history, but that part is also a nother reason why the WG is fascist, they determine want history you learn, what you can know. It's preaty 'BIG Brother is watching' if a guvernment dosn't want you and kill's you for wanting to learn something which will undermine their authority.
Also do you think a fascist state is like hell, well it's not. People in Germany, France, Austria and in all the occupied Nations lived happy lives, not all of them, of course, but most of them were not experiencing living hell everyday. -
research means nothing, 2 two people can research the same subject and come up with two totally different things. It depends who you talk to and perspective. Plain and Simple.
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It should be obvious by now that Oda has a somewhat idealized view on
piracy in general. It matches the views depicted in the common pirate movies
of the 60s and 70s:Pirates: Small hoodlums or noble freethoughts
Government: Big, evil, corrupt. A few straight people in the lower ranks
who will eventually switch sides.It's just the same with naruto:
Ninjas: Faceless, emotionless killers
Kishimoto Ninjas: Idealistic individuals with strong common senseOda will always find a way for Luffy to piss off the government but
show him as hero anyway."You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.
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Adding on to the discussion, its all a matter of perspective. In our point of view, the SH are noble, caring pirates that do what they believe is right and unknowingly do much more to change the world. But to some of the people around them, especially the government and the marines, they are an up-and-coming evil that is threatening the peace and security and, in a way, may be getting closer and closer to the greatest sin that they have ever done. (as suggested in the recent Ohara flashback and Clover's speech) A couple examples regarding their path:
-The fall of Captain Morgan: There are some who would see Luffy defeating him as that of another pirate taking down their limited scope of justice, not to mention mock them for taking with notorious bounty hunter Rololona Zoro. But as we know, Zoro was captured unjustly in the first place, none of the local Marines even liked taking orders from Morgan, and his fall was in actuality a good thing.
-Nezumi: The marine who ends up giving Luffy his first bounty. To him, and to subsequent marines that go after him, he once again is attacking persuers of justice, and use his defeat of three Bountied pirates (Buggy, Kreig, Arlong) as proof that he is a dangerous man. But as we know, Nezumi deserved it: he was taking bribes from one of the most horrible monsters of the area (Arlong) and pretty much guaranteed the fishmen's domination as long as he got his share. (even if it meant Nami's savings to save her own town)
-The fall of Crocodile: The means of Luffy's second bounty and perhaps an even greater lightbulb in the heads of the WG. To them, Crocodile was a respected member of the Shichibukai and a means to get their hands on Pluton. But they really didn't know or care of the means he did to get the information: destroying the country of sand, manipulating means to cause war between the government and the rebels, and continuing to rule over his own bounty hunter organization Baroque Works to make sure of Alabasta's fall and gain access to one of the Ancient Weapons. So while we see the saving of Alabasta by Luffy and his crew as a good thing and a respectable means regarding saving Vivi's home, the WG saw the fall of a Shichibukai by this pirate's means as a dent against their own view of justice.
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The World Government in One Piece can't be compared to the Nazis. Racism and Mass-Murder aren't part of the WG's ideology and I have significant doubts that Oda wanted to depict it that way!
Did you read Nico's backstory?
The World Government committed genocide! They not only killed the archaelogists, but also all of the normal townspeople. If that is not genocide, then I don't know WHAT is.
Someone in the upper echelons of the World Government didn't seem to have a problem with comitting genocide since Ohara found out the hard way.
Also, have you noticed throughout One Piece, the marines have been inept, ineffectual, corrupt, and worst of all, pricks? As this series has progressed, that impression of Marines and the WG as corrupt has only solidified itself more. Do I even need to mention Nami's arc (Pre-robin) and that self-serving Marine, Nezumi?
Oda most definitely implied during Nico's arc that the World Government will resort to such tactics if it has to and will make mass-murder work to their own benefit when someone threatens them.
Can you even begin to imagine what they'll resort to after Enies Lobby!?!?
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Oda will always find a way for Luffy to piss off the government but
show him as hero anyway.yeah, so true. i think that sums it up pretty good.
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The golds that they stole…it's the golds that giant snake ate..so I think that's not "evil".
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Adding to a point made in the speculation thread. According to the chapter titles only Nami, Zoro, and Sanji got a "The __________ person" chapter title when they joined, while Ussop, Robin, Chopper and Vivi didn't. Nami got her chapter after Arlong Park, so you can assume that a person gets a "__ person" chapter after they've officially joined and will never leave the crew.
Keeping that in mind, I think when Chopper leaves the Strawhats temporarily it will be because the Strawhats did something evil, and Chopper being the young and naive one of the crew just couldn't grasp it. What that will be I have no idea, but that's my guess.
On a side note: Melody of Oblivion is a good anime to watch if you want a "Good guy that does bad things-esque" story. The main character defeats all these monsters, but the normal people have embraced these monster's rules so their defeat hurts them in one way or another. (I'm trying to say it without spoiling too much…) Anyways, something like that is what I expect the Strawhats to go through.
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@Master:
The World Government committed genocide! They not only killed the archaelogists, but also all of the normal townspeople. If that is not genocide, then I don't know WHAT is.
The problem with using Ohara as an example is that the archaeologists were committing a capital offense and were well aware of the risks involved. From what we've seen of the Judiciary, if they had been arrested, then they would have either been executed or shipped off to Impel Down, where they would have been tortured and probably executed anyway in the long run.
The destruction of the refugee ship by Sakazuki's battleship was a war crime and should not be considered the same as the elimination of the archaeologists.
Someone in the upper echelons of the World Government didn't seem to have a problem with comitting genocide since Ohara found out the hard way.
This has apparently been a major part of the World Government since its inception. It's not a just law by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not like the Oharan archaeologists were not aware of the risk that they posed not only to themselves, but to everybody else in Ohara.
Also, have you noticed throughout One Piece, the marines have been inept, ineffectual, corrupt, and worst of all, pricks? As this series has progressed, that impression of Marines and the WG as corrupt has only solidified itself more. Do I even need to mention Nami's arc (Pre-robin) and that self-serving Marine, Nezumi?
Hina is ineffectual?
Purin-Purin was a pretty nice guy who genuinely seemed to care about justice. Too bad his sense of honor came back to bit him in the ass.
T-Bone certainly isn't corrupt.
Smoker isn't inept.
Sauro wasn't a prick and neither is Aokiji when it comes down to it.
Garp seems like a nice enough guy and Comil seems decent enough.Akainu is ruthless, but we don't know that that attribute makes him corrupt. It might make him a prick, but so what? Same for Sengoku and Bogard. They do what they think they have to do, which more or less means that they act like military personnel and which means that corrupt is the last thing that you can call them.
We can't really say much of anything about Crane, Brandnew, or the various other Naval Officers that we have seen.
The most notable of the corrupt Marines that we have seen so far were out in East Blue, where they were far from the influence and control of the Naval Headquarters.
Oda most definitely implied during Nico's arc that the World Government will resort to such tactics if it has to and will make mass-murder work to their own benefit when someone threatens them.
The problem that the people of the Odaverse face is that the World Government is often cruel and sometimes downright capricious in nature when it comes to meting out justice, but the alternatives are:
- Dragon's Revolution, which is an unknown and might not be better in the long run.
- Mocktown from horizon to horizon.
Piracy is bad enough as it is, but there seem to be a few locations where people are relatively safe and secure. Without the World Government and the Navy, even those wouldn't exist.
The World Government is draconian in its methods, but as it currently stands, there's not necessarily anything better out there.
Can you even begin to imagine what they'll resort to after Enies Lobby!?!?
Nothing is below them.It depends on how much power Spandam retains after this is said and done. The home city of the Pirate King himself is well known, but the World Government apparently never retaliated against it just because of that.
Such an action would be hard for them to justify to their member nations anyway, unlike Ohara.
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If you are looking at it technically, the WG was just carry out the law by destroying Ohara. Studying of the poneyglyphs was strictly prohibited.
Do not EVER compare any sort of killing to the genocide the Nazi's and Soviets did during WWII. Almost 20 million jews and russians died.
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They declared war on the World Government.
That is evil. Because although the World Government does show signs of being evil or corrupt…
They still protect the people, and stand for justice. There are plenty more pirates, who are very evil, who are stopped by the World Government.
They may do some underhanded things. Like Trying to get the blueprints, and destroying Robin's home... But on the other hand, the simply can't risk such powerful weapons being brought to existance. It could destroy the world.
Would you want Terrorists, even if they never terrorized anyone, but claim themselves to be terrorists. Having a weapon capable of destroying the world?
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It's pretty obvious the WG is corrupt; they do what they do to stay in power. They stop research so that people won't find the atrocities commited in the past. They protect the people, but only as long as it keeps them in power. The government cares only for itself, and this is shown on a smaller scale in its corrupt officers; Nezumi, etc.
People like Smoker and Aokiji are shown as trying to uphold justice from within the government, but can't uphold TRUE justice as long as they follow the government. That's hwy their greatest showings of "justice" have been in DEFYING the government; in Smoker and Tashigi's allowing the Straw Hats to leave unhindered, and in Aokiji's helping Robin escape, both of which are acts of defiance against the government in interest of true justice.
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the nations of the world does not need the world goverment. alabasta can defend it self and i'm sure many nations can. look at nami's island that got overtaken by arlong. the world goverment didn't give a damn that they overtaken by a ruthless pirate but i'm sure if they were reading up on ponyglyphs they would of immidiately taken action. the world goverment only act's when it's in their best interest to do so. the only reason marines came to alabasta was because smoker was after luffy and caught wind of what was going to go down there.
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Oda is trying to make general point of view and not just a one point of view. Human nature itself have sin, but they have choice and the WG has sins of it's own; careless and selfish.
If we read any other story, we always have a hero fighting evil and we olny see thing through a hero's eyes. Oda broke the rule by having a bad guy protagonist (Luffy) who was good in our point of view, showing that human nature cannot be pointed out as "absloute evil" through one big picture.
For example, Osama bin Laden was a terrorist, we see him bad but in his POV we are bad. This shows that no one is perfect, but we have choice and we have natural conquance so in the Odaverse, we have realism there and we see things through many picture.
We live in a dark sinful world, our minds are not clear and we can't understand things. I can tell you what can be done but if I talk religion here; people would just put it down as "worthless" topic, so if the WG collapse, evil will continue, that is what Oda was trying to say here.
We can't judge other people, we can't think the same as other people, we have choice, we decide what is bad or good.
The WG choose to do what they want, they think they can do everything rigth through their personal POV. If Oda has the WG be absloute wicked and evil with faceless indevidible personalless people.
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the nations of the world does not need the world goverment.
If they didn't, then does it exist?
The most likely reason is that the World Government and only the World Government can draw together enough resources to maintain the Navy.
Without the World Government, individual nations would have to bear the burden of creating and maintaining their own navies while still having to deal with piracy.
alabasta can defend it self and i'm sure many nations can.
Like Drum?
Also, Alabasta can defend itself from a massive invasion, but a nation that large is vulnerable to raids against its coastal cities. I doubt that Crocodile would be reknowned as a national hero if Alabasta wasn't attacked enough for him to get a reputation as a defender of the people.
the world goverment didn't give a damn that they overtaken by a ruthless pirate but i'm sure if they were reading up on ponyglyphs they would of immidiately taken action.
Probably so; a pirate cobbling together a small empire in one of the Blues doesn't pose the same level of threat that a reawakened Ancient Weapon does.
Of course, it's questionable about how much they knew about the situation. Nezumi probably didn't go out of his way when it came to filing reports on Arlong's activities.
the only reason marines came to alabasta was because smoker was after luffy and caught wind of what was going to go down there.
Well, as you said, Alabasta should be able to take care of itself; as a result, there is little need to send Marines to such an area. The Navy is stretched incredibly thin and has no reason to position valuable resources in a country that can protect itself without them.
Of course, that's not to say that there wasn't a Naval presence near Alabasta; Hina's squadron was in the area and would have helped protect Alabasta's coasts as much as possible. She may have had a large patrol area, so her ships may not have been near Alabasta very often, but that's some degree of additional protection that wouldn't exist if not for the World Government.
Complicating things since 2009.
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If they didn't, then does it exist?
I think the reason it exists is the entire POINT of the controversy over the 100 year gap in history. It exists because of what the WG did back then. Which, of course, will no doubt be many nefarious acts.
It exists because it banded together BACK THEN by no-doubt underhanded and downright villainous acts.
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As often as not, what is done for the benefit of the few at the expense of many is considered 'evil';but this doesn't mean that sins of convenience constitute the whole of 'evil'. Human societies established guidelines for behavior millennia ago, and they share common traits across the board.
As has been pointed out by other members, the harsh measures taken by the World Government in order to assure relative safety of commerce and domestic tranquility are made necessary due to the large number of pirates roaming the seas. Gol D. Roger may have meant to inspire free-willed men and women to seek out the truth, but the cost to the innocent has been high. Do you really think the people of Cocoyashi and Port Town are thankful for the Golden Age of Piracy? More than likely, they wish Roger had been executed before he'd said anything. So the WG is encouraged to take drastic action by its member states, in addition to whatever the agenda of the Five Old Stars requires.
For a look at draconian politics, I highly recommend reading Machiavelli's The Prince. It not only sounds cruel to the average reader, its also shows how every government in recorded history has taken care of its 'dirty work'.
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Adding to a point made in the speculation thread. According to the chapter titles only Nami, Zoro, and Sanji got a "The __________ person" chapter title when they joined, while Ussop, Robin, Chopper and Vivi didn't. Nami got her chapter after Arlong Park, so you can assume that a person gets a "__ person" chapter after they've officially joined and will never leave the crew.
Keeping that in mind, I think when Chopper leaves the Strawhats temporarily it will be because the Strawhats did something evil, and Chopper being the young and naive one of the crew just couldn't grasp it. What that will be I have no idea, but that's my guess.
On a side note: Melody of Oblivion is a good anime to watch if you want a "Good guy that does bad things-esque" story. The main character defeats all these monsters, but the normal people have embraced these monster's rules so their defeat hurts them in one way or another. (I'm trying to say it without spoiling too much…) Anyways, something like that is what I expect the Strawhats to go through.
slightly OT, but didnt Chopper leave the strawhats already? For… 1 hour?
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If they didn't, then does it exist?
The most likely reason is that the World Government and only the World Government can draw together enough resources to maintain the Navy.
Without the World Government, individual nations would have to bear the burden of creating and maintaining their own navies while still having to deal with piracy.
where do you think the world goverment get's it's resources to put together the navy? they most likely get all that money from all the nations under the world goverment. it's not like all the nations could not combine and create a military force to take care of the pirates.
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If the world-at-large doesn't derive some benefit from the continued existence of the World Government, then it wouldn't continue to exist. It's that simple.
It sounds like you are defending the WG.
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where do you think the world goverment get's it's resources to put together the navy?
Taxation of its members. It probably also has tariffs and fees for shipping passing through the channels at Mariejoa as well.
it's not like all the nations could not combine and create a military force to take care of the pirates.
Considering that the World Government probably has a monopoly on training facilities for officers and the bulk of the best shipyards/foundries in the world either in its possession or working for it, it probably wouldn't be as easy as you think.
Navies are ridiculously expensive to maintain and one of the hardest branches of any service to build from the ground up because of the sheer cost involved in building the ships, let alone training the personnel.
@joekido:
It sounds like you are defending the WG.
I'm saying that the current alternatives to the World Government consist of a revolution forming a state that we know nothing about the ideals of and anarchy. Of course, there's another option, which would have been Crocodile finding Pluton and using it to crush the World Government and the Golden Age of Piracy, but his methods suggest that he would hardly be an improvement over the World Government and would probably be far worse. At least the World Government allows some degree of autonomy when it comes to the internal politics of an individual nation, I doubt Crocodile would be so lenient.
The system sucks (they kill people for being historians for God's sake), but there's not necessarily anything better out there. Luffy will change that in the long run, but, as is, the World Government may or may not be better than whatever Dragon is planning, but it's certainly better than a world completely overrun by piracy.
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In my eyes, the World Government isn't so much comprised of 'asses' as it is compromised of extremists. And it's perfectly understandable that they are.
The vast majority of pirates are complete and utter A-holes. People have to realize that even in One Piece's idealized world, 'noble' pirates like Ace, Shanks, and Luffy are the exception, not the rule. It's a lot easier (and more efficient) to lump all pirates as evil, conniving SOBs than to bother keeping up to date on which pirates are really 'good guys'.
(And objectively speaking, trashing thousands of marines for the sake of two people is a pretty bad move.)
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slightly OT, but didnt Chopper leave the strawhats already? For… 1 hour?
I'm referring to the Davy Back Fight here.Yup he did. The prob is even when he "rejoined" the crew after Zoro and Sanji won the 2nd event, he did not get "The 5th person" chapter title. That's why people are speculating.
Back to topic, could the SH who actually does sth evil is Chopper? Is the monster Chopper we see now a foreshadow for sth bigger in future arcs (for eg a failed experiment)? Just a tot…
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Back to topic, could the SH who actually does sth evil is Chopper? Is the monster Chopper we see now a foreshadow for sth bigger in future arcs (for eg a failed experiment)? Just a tot…
So you think that the Strawhat's will go berserk and trash some realy important place.
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I'm saying that the current alternatives to the World Government consist of a revolution forming a state that we know nothing about the ideals of and anarchy. Of course, there's another option, which would have been Crocodile finding Pluton and using it to crush the World Government and the Golden Age of Piracy, but his methods suggest that he would hardly be an improvement over the World Government and would probably be far worse. At least the World Government allows some degree of autonomy when it comes to the internal politics of an individual nation, I doubt Crocodile would be so lenient.
The system sucks (they kill people for being historians for God's sake), but there's not necessarily anything better out there. Luffy will change that in the long run, but, as is, the World Government may or may not be better than whatever Dragon is planning, but it's certainly better than a world completely overrun by piracy.
Good point. I also think for the people it's better to live with a system where your life is following certain rules, even when the system system sucks. If you can live a peaceful life as long you stick to some rules is better than living without rules and the possibility that every moment something worse can happen. Of course there is no guarantee for the people that nothing will happen, but the WG means safty to some degree for the people. Without the WG, which i think is necessary to run the "Marine", there would be no protection against pirates. This would result in total chaos for the people. What Dragon is up to, we can not know at the moment.
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Nothing's ever just black and white
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Well, the WG was around long before the great age of piracy
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The Straw Hats, being pirates, will always be commiting "evil" acts as far as the WG is concerned. But as for us, no, I don't think the SHs will ever do something wrong from our perspective, knowingly or unknowingly (at least, I don't think Oda will permit it).
Something like that would be out of character for them. The group would probably shatter if something like that happened simply because none of them would be able to expect what they did. They are a bit green in these matters, really.
And I agree, the WG isn't evil in a pure sense. They are extremeists. They are the opposite to what the SHs are. Luffy and gang seem to believe that you don't need to follow a set of laws to be 'right' or that anybody can fight for/take care of themselves. The WG, however, seems to believe in a stricter, controlled (lawful) justice, that is, the avergage person can't protect his/herself and needs something like the WG.
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@Duce:
So you think that the Strawhat's will go berserk and trash some realy important place.
Or are you saying that there will be some creature similar to Monster Chopper(something like Frankenstein's Monster) that will be a great threat in some future arc.The first one. And I am referring to Chopper in particular. It may have been an accident. Because there had been speculations that Chopper may have some conflicts with the SH in future. I am not too sure about that but if Robin does get "The 6th person" chapter later, there's a high chance that there would be an arc where Chopper left the crew, for whatever reason…
My youtube video, one-sided sanjixusopp. Listen closely to the lyrics
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Knocking out the mayor in the Buggy arc was considered evil by the townspeople.
Sanji serving food to Krieg was considered evil by the other chefs.
Zoro killing bounty hunters at Whiskey Peak was considered evil by the government.
Usopp shooting down the World Government flag was considered evil by the WG.
Invading Enies Lobby to free criminals was considered evil by the WG also.
Escaping from Loguetown was considered evil by Smoker.
The Buster Call at Ohara was covered up and blamed on Robin, so she's considered evil by most people who know her.
Nami changing clothes in full view of the men on Rocketman was considered evil.
Fighting CP9, a government-controlled group, was considered evil by the WG.
The Mugiwaras have done plenty of "evil" things so far, but not in their eyes. Do you think they'll feel guilty for all those things? Hell no, they're pirates. They're not supposed to be World Government saints.
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@Robot:
Nami changing clothes in full view of the men on Rocketman was considered evil.
I think only Paulie thought of that was evil the others seemed to have liked watching
But like many said from the W.G. point of the strawhats are doing evil deeds one after another
Althought for the readers that have the full picture they are understandably doing good deads and helping people
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the strawhats are doing evil deads one after another
I know what you meant, and I'm not criticizing your spelling, but MAN! What a mental image that left me with!:wacko:
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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