I was watching the raw, and i noticed for some reason the beginning was drawn in an artstyle akin to the 6th movie, then for some reason it reverted back to normal afterwards. I didn't really like the artstyle so i was glad that it wasn't permanent.
Here are some pics
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162zoro6iy.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weirdzoro7qr.jpg
I was watching the raw, and i noticed for some reason the beginning was drawn in an artstyle akin to the 6th movie, then for some reason it reverted back to normal afterwards. I didn't really like the artstyle so i was glad that it wasn't permanent.
Here are some pics
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162zoro6iy.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weirdzoro7qr.jpg
Well… Can't really tell by the shots... Was the animation more... Fluid than usual?
Not only in this episode, but in Episode 257. (or 258) when Rocketman leaped out of Water 7. The character were in this style.
To be honest, I hope they use this style of animation in some of the fights of Enies Lobby.
I was watching the raw, and i noticed for some reason the beginning was drawn in an artstyle akin to the 6th movie, then for some reason it reverted back to normal afterwards. I didn't really like the artstyle so i was glad that it wasn't permanent.
Here are some pics
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162zoro6iy.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weirdzoro7qr.jpg
i think you wanted to say that at some moments the art was plainly bad then it returned to normal. that's all there is to see. nothing comparable with movie 6 which is a completely different way of drawing one piece.
@Steel:
Not only in this episode, but in Episode 257. (or 258) when Rocketman leaped out of Water 7. The character were in this style.
To be honest, I hope they use this style of animation in some of the fights of Enies Lobby.
I really hope that happens now, Luffy vs Lucci with the style and animation of the Naruto vs Sasuke fight would amazing.
Heh, that fight had such awsome animation.
Naruto is animated by a different Studio, but I know what you are trying to say.
Art Style should NEVER have to be sacrificed for more fluid animation!
I loathe the look of Movie 6 and that Naruto vs. Sasuke fight, I was so removed from how cool the fight was becuase of how grotesque the characters looked.
Well, that's you speaking. I adored everything about the art… Much more, in fact, than I was infatuated with the fluidness of the animation, though I loved that too. One Piece Movie 6 still ranks as the best animated One Piece has ever been to me.
Um, try looking at it as a separate piece instead of clinging to much what you know? I dunno, I'm guessing that's the reason people complain all the time. They don't like the style deviating too much from what they're familiar with? 
Well, personally I liked movie 6 animation also, but 262 looked nothing like it at all. It was just the same crappy division that did episode 254. It just strikes me odd that somehow people don't notice that the style and quality has been changing back in forth in the series all throughout the last 40 episodes and all of a sudden it just hits them "omg this episode looks different". 
And as for style being sacrificed, style DID have to be sacrificed in order to bring One Piece to the TV screen. They redesigned the characters so that they were more condusive to animating. In more recent times they've redesigned them again to look more like Oda's artwork. They're more complex and thus harder to animate. It shouldn't be a problem if they animators were more competant, but apparently at least PART of the time and part of the animation crew isn't very much…
@Mog:
Um, try looking at it as a separate piece instead of clinging to much what you know? I dunno, I'm guessing that's the reason people complain all the time. They don't like the style deviating too much from what they're familiar with?
For me it's not so much the style changing, I just REALLY dislike that particular style. The line quality is terrible (thin little outlines that look someone ith palsy made them) faded colors, little to no shading, "over-animating" (droopy arms that just kinda flail about etc.). There's so many glaring "ICK"s that I have trouble focusing on how fluidly everything is moving.
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I don't know about you , but when I look at this picture I see many glaring errors
First of all, Sanji's face looks like it's been crumpled up and then uncrumpled. Usopp's legs are waay to thin. Zoro's hip looks disjointed. Nami's missing some face and is in general off model. The lack of detail is not what I expect when I hear "movie animation". I mean, look art Robin, or rather I should say "the splotches of color that sort of resemble Robin". Luffy looks alright I guess, aside from that whole "lack of detail, faded/washed out colors and no shading" thing.
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@CosmicDebris:
And as for style being sacrificed, style DID have to be sacrificed in order to bring One Piece to the TV screen. They redesigned the characters so that they were more condusive to animating. In more recent times they've redesigned them again to look more like Oda's artwork. They're more complex and thus harder to animate. It shouldn't be a problem if they animators were more competant, but apparently at least PART of the time and part of the animation crew isn't very much…
i'm aware of this, as I said I'm not bothered by style change, I just don't like THAT…vomit up there
I think luffy has the most detail because he is closest.
"These are a kinder gentler Nazi," -McGuckin
There's "on" and "off" moments. It seems to me that they just didn't budget it very well and it looks rushed and unfinished. The style is good IMO, just not the execution.
You want me to start posting screenshots from the TV series when the characters look disproportioned and deformed? We'd be here for a long time. :laugh:
However, there are examples of Movie 6 that I think are really quite lovely.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3467/namimuchi9wd.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2532/zs1qt.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1373/image3319979lv.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6782/sc25mr.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3864/usoppnami18ob.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4775/usopppound0xc.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4960/scook6hx.jpg
Y'see, those may be more on model, but the washed out colors and thin lines remove me from the image (the only image the colors worked well was the first one of Nami in, I assume a fancy restaurant).
Furthermore, I merely expect more from a movie than TV animation. I know the kind of strain those poor animators are under to give us the OP love we so crave, but movies have higher budgets, better production values and more employees. For a movie to look like it's unfinished is unnacceptable to me.
but hey, that's just me ^__^
hey… that wasn't nearly as bad as the quality in the first one piece movie...
i actually prefer strange fluid animation to the same traditional cookie-cutter animation.... i am in love with the look of movie 6, i can't wait till someone fansubs it!
yeah, ep 262 does look different... ah well. no matter what, the manga beats the anime on so many levels as far as style.
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@pirateneko:
i actually prefer strange fluid animation to the same traditional cookie-cutter animation…. i am in love with the look of movie 6, i can't wait till someone fansubs it!
I also dig the style of movie 6. It grows on me more each time I watch it.
But the main reason I'm posting - Balkongo-Fansubs subbed movie 6. The torrent seems to be alive (barely) if you want it.
The colors don't look washed out on the pics I posted. I thought the colors of the backgrounds are significantly more rich and detailed, and that causes the figures to pale in comparison. I just wished they were properly shaded so that they didn't float over the backgrounds so much. I felt like I was watching a Ralph Bakshi movie. But then maybe that's also part of the reason that I took a liking to it. XD
I also dig the style of movie 6. It grows on me more each time I watch it.
But the main reason I'm posting - Balkongo-Fansubs subbed movie 6. The torrent seems to be alive (barely) if you want it.
ah, thanks! i just hope it will download then ^^
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I look at the artwork for the movie, and it makes me think of the Digimon movies. The style, the line quality, the colouring.
I'm nerver comfy with change, but I try not to complain, unless it's a bad change. some of the art for the anime episodes recently look like barf. I can draw more proportionate than that.
There's a fine line between art and animation, however people get them mixed up.
The animation became fluid and vivid.
But the art was lacking in a few areas.
Still, it's able to pull off some movements other studios can't do.
That style reminded Christy a little bit of Final Fantasy Unlimited, whose scenes were more or less beautiful if the characters weren't far away so they looked smudgy. Also, she thinks during most points the people just ran out of time. Did anyone else notice there was NO special thing to go with the credits? It was all black! There was either a time crunch that made the ending and some other stuff less than par, or it was a HUGE budget cut for one reason or another.
However, overall the movie's story speaks to everyone. The story, in many cases, made Christy shout aloud in anguish, although then her mom said, "It can't be THAT sad!" Oh yes, mother it was that sad…
just for reference, I WAS talking about the artwork, and not the animation.
I really loved what they did in movie 6 (especially how Ussopp and Zoro turned out) and the final fight in that film was awesome-o.
Anyway, I like how the series is slowly looking more like Oda's work, but if they took the route of move 6 I think it would give a while new fresh feel…although it may be a bit hard getting used to.
while I personally would love to see the t.v. animation look more like movie 6, it would be too much of a change. i like where its going right now though. it is looking so much like Oda's work, which I really love. its so nice to have anime series be true to the manga.
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i haven't seen much of the OP manga, but in general, I like the art of the anime over the art of the manga. (50 people jump on my opposing opinion)
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Yeah, there's a pretty big difference between the first few volumes and the way it looks later on. The manga improved a lot but the anime has not very much. Occasionally it gets worse. XD
yeah it does. its cuz they can't always keep up to the awesome quality of Oda's style XD
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the 6th movie has that digimon style to it like how they do there movies
Just the two Digimon movies that were directed by Mamoru Hosoda (who also directed OP M6)
Could someone find me a torrent of it? That other link died and I haven't seen this yet.
the movie 6 style kinda reminded me of the champloo- art style though…especially with their really thin legs!
http://www.worldspace.nu/onepiece/
You can get the torrent here. I just saw it yesterday, and MAN I would personally love it the animation was SOMETIMES like that, for some fights. I like how some shows like Naruto can use good drawings for some episodes, and for fights, they use the super cool smooth animation. I just wish that One Piece followed that example.
i love movies 6's style! i thought it was a cool new way for one piece to be presented.
sometimes things look wierd, but most of the times it looks really cool!
If they changed the animation to be more "fluid" and like "Naruto" it wouldn't be Oda anymore. The reason I was attracted by OP is because it dared to be original and artistic. OP has a wonderful artistic quality I have never seen in another anime. "Fluid cool fight scenes" mean nothing if the show is reduced to fillers followed by cool fights every other episode.
Oda has a unique art style and in my opinion (take a look at Conekiller's signature) the quality is better than anything out now except maybe Ghost in the Shell. One Piece isn't about realism and making the characters look realistic, it's about losing yourself in the fantasy, and I think the art has been consistently been getting better without the need to change into some "fluid" animation style. 2 cents
What movie 6 and Naruto/Sasuke have in common is that they're both impressionism rather than cartoon realism. Details are left out in favor of producing a particular impression. I think it's lovely that this painting style has found its analogue in animation: the characters are deformed not out of laziness, but to a purpose. Background characters are forcably de-emphasized to mimic perception (the visual field only has one focus point where we can actually see detail); characters are deliberately blurred during fights because that is the way we see during a fight: motion, not person. It's not a sacrifice in the name of fluidity, but a portrayal of our perception of motion. In a way, this style is more realistic and true-to-life than traditional animation, because it mimics the effect of visual perception.
This is not to say you have to like impressionism. It's a style like any other, and style is a matter of taste. But to call it cheap or lazy is to misunderstand what it is.
As for Zoro's fight in 262, I think it had some concessions to impressionistic concerns, but not nearly so much as the movie. I wouldn't take it to be a change in the overall style but rather a choice to portray the motion in that particular scene in an impressionistic way.
However: we are seeing a change in the animation to reflect Oda's changing character designs in the manga. You may be catching on to this factor as well.
If they changed the animation to be more "fluid" and like "Naruto" it wouldn't be Oda anymore.
The fluidity of the animation has very little to do with style. It just takes time and money which cheap companies like Toei aren't willing to pay. You can't look at the way characters move and say it's not Oda when Oda only works with still images.
