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      the only thing meant here is that tying a logia is completely useless.
      two interpretations:
      mine: because the user would escape once he regained consciousness.
      yours: because he can't be touched when he is unconscious. The user can't be tied unless he wants to.

      Don't take your interpretation as a fact when there is another perfectly reasonable one.

      Your interpretation is based on events that will happen after they have captured him.
      My interpretation is based on what they are currently involved in at the exact moment.

      Your interpretation is further and unnecessarily speculating something that is a issue which luffy Will have in the future.
      My interpretation is that he is speaking about the issue based on the exact moment of Caesar capture, which is exactly what is given to us.

      Hence why we get the barrel reference from Franky.
      If Ropes did Work on him at the moment than there would be no point in Franky commenting about finding a barrel.
      Same thing with Smokers heart.
      Get something that will completely inclose the Substance and their is no escape for the logia.

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        Wait, wait…When exactly is/was he unconscious?? He was shown up and boasting like 2 seconds later.

        Saying he couldn't be tied up while unconscious is stupid though, Akagami7 is right.

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          Wait, wait…When exactly is/was he unconscious?? He was shown up and boasting like 2 seconds later.

          Although Akagami7 is right, if he WAS unconscious he could be tied, but again pointless because he'd wake up.

          We received all the info about Logia's can't be tied before Caesar wakes up.
          That is more than enough that Oda needs to give us, even if Caesar wakes up 2 seconds later.

          and No, Logia's cannot be touched even when unconscious.
          Enel being attacked while Sleeping.

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            Fixed it for you

            thanks, that was a typo, sorry.

            Your interpretation is based on events that will happen after they have captured him.
            My interpretation is based on what they are currently involved in at the exact moment.

            Your interpretation is further and unnecessarily speculating something that is a issue which luffy Will have in the future.
            My interpretation is that he is speaking about the issue based on the exact moment of Caesar capture, which is exactly what is given to us.

            Would the meaning of what luffy said change if it was said when caesar wasn't unconscious? (besides the fact that luffy would be behaving in a arrogant way).
            If your answer is yes then we'll have to disagree.

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              Would the meaning of what luffy said change if it was said when caesar wasn't unconscious? (besides the fact that luffy would be behaving in a arrogant way).
              If your answer is yes then we'll have to disagree.

              No, It wouldn't change. Conscious or unconscious there is no way to make contact with a Logia except with 5 cases; Haki, Seastone, Weakness, Blackbeard, and IF the Ability user allows it. (Kuzan, Caribou)

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                No, It wouldn't change. Conscious or unconscious there is no way to make contact with a Logia except with 5 cases; Haki, Seastone, Weakness, Blackbeard, and IF the Ability user allows it. (Kuzan, Caribou)

                Oh not this discussion again. You're still wrong man.

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                  -What happened=Luffy says it when caesar is unconscious
                  Interpretations, the ones we've already talked some posts above

                  -What could've happened=Luffy says it when caesar isn't unconscious
                  my interpreations still make sense while yours doesn't because the issue about him being unconscious isn't brought up.

                  In my opinion the state of caesar doesn't matter, Luffy simply meant that it's useless to tie a logia. There is no meaning beyond that. No explanation about wether logia's are in his elemental form while unconscious. I'm not saying you're wrong or right about it, but I can't see that what luffy said support your theory.

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                    With the amount of Clarification we've received today how can I be?
                    You can Interpret Luffy's comment about binding a Unconscious Caesar with ropes being useless because it will be useless when he wakes up like how Akagami Suggested.

                    But Like i said that would be unnecessarily speculating something that is a issue which Luffy will have in the future when Luffy is actually talking about that exact moment.

                    Enel Receiving attacks while sleeping should further strengthen my line of thinking.

                    Again I don't want to go into a debate about this topic again cause it's a Cycle.
                    I just wanted to comment on this new information we've received this chapter which adds more clarification to this topic.

                    and you are entitled to your opinion but Evidence shows that my line of thought is closer to truth than many others who doubt it. Since your beliefs are based on assumptions while I have shown my opinions with evidence from the manga.
                    Oppositions would bring in Comedy scenes often to discredit me but I would just ignore that.
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                    -What could've happened=Luffy says it when caesar isn't unconscious
                    my interpreations still make sense while yours doesn't because the issue about him being unconscious isn't brought up.

                    In my opinion the state of caesar doesn't matter, Luffy simply meant that it's useless to tie a logia. There is no meaning beyond that. No explanation about wether logia's are in his elemental form while unconscious. I'm not saying you're wrong or right about it, but I can't see that what luffy said support your theory.

                    The fact that Caesar is down and look's knocked out is enough for Luffy to assume his unconscious, which than bring us to his comment.

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                      Okay, This lastest Chapter of Luffy vs. Caesar should prove that Logia's are ability mode 24/7. They have become their element and do not need any sort of activateing.

                      Pipio, I did say I'll hold off my reply to you concerning Logia's ability about being their element or Human and activating their powers until we've received enough info.

                      Well, this chapter proves what I said a while back in the Haki thread.
                      So I'll just copy and paste my comment from that thread.
                      See the bold part.
                      Even when Caesar was Presumed to be unconscious we were told that he cannot be touched because his a logia, Meaning his body is his element regardless if his conscious or not.
                      Now before we start discussing the whole repeated debate all over again lets just try to reread a few pages of this thread and see what we had previously discussed.
                      So the Thing that I was wrong about is when i said that there is only one true body. But now we can be sure that every single devil fruit user does have a True body(Human body) + ability body which is damageable with Haki, weakness, Seastone, and Blackbeard. Such methods which allows you to contact or damage such ability users vary differently and have very different effects on the Ability users. Such as Haki which does not prevent activation of the ability which Seastone does, and Blackbeard whom removes your ability.

                      I'll post the Cycle that this debate goes into once again.
                      If others would want to take a look at this discussion we had previously visit the pages around 140 of this thread.

                      This chapter does support the two body theory (Human body + Abilities body) or you could look at it as one body, but the user must activate the logia ability, similar to a human twitching/flexing his muscles at will. Once unconscious the user loses all functions of the logia ability and would be in his default human form, however I can imagine most Logia users train their bodies to react while sleeping, similar to an assassin or marine subconsciously going on high alert when someone approaches them.

                      I don't exactly know where you got the idea that no Haki users could touch CC once he's unconscious, If you got that information from when Law was talking to Luffy; I read that as, to fight CC, you must have Haki other wise you'll be killed.

                      We did discuss weaknesses, but since we both know the causes and effects of being submerged, Seastone, Haki and Black beard, we can put it to rest.

                      One thing we've haven't talked about was, can you associate a body part of the logia user while they're in some sort of stretched out or blob form? I think this is possible, as we've seen how Luffy manhandled Tashi in Smoker's body, Luffy bent Smoker's arm in cloud form behind his back.

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                        Logia users control their powers which is why they have to be awake to do it however people who master their logia power like Crocodile are able to use their logia element ability to avoid attacks so they're better at avoiding attacks but even people who master their logia power cannot use it while asleep.

                        Anime video below it happened in the manga as well but i am to lazy to go find it there because its easier finding it on youtube back when Luffy did this he did not have haki at the time but he got Smoker twice because he was not expecting it first with his rocket attack then by spitting the food on Smoker also Ace might have not let the attack pass threw him because he would have burnt the place down because he is a fire logia and he got a free meal from the place so he owed the place lol

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                          Lol one of my favorite comedy scenes in OP.

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                            Logia users control their powers which is why they have to be awake to do it however people who master their logia power like Crocodile are able to use their logia element ability to avoid attacks so they're better at avoiding attacks but even people who master their logia power cannot use it while asleep.
                            Anime video below it happened in the manga as well but i am to lazy to go find it there because its easier finding it on youtube back when Luffy did this he did not have haki at the time but he got Smoker twice because he was not expecting it first with his rocket attack then by spitting the food on Smoker also Ace might have not let the attack pass threw him because he would have burnt the place down because he is a fire logia and he got a free meal from the place so he owed the place lol

                            Enel could but this could be due to Mantra.

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                              Fairly stupid question..

                              Since Sengoku is a Zoan user, and Zoan users have the ability to take 3 forms..Would his second form be an actual statue where he couldn't move and he was simply just a staue of a Buddha?
                              And if that were the case, when he first ate the fruit do you think he got stuck in that form the first time?…Maybe being in that form he gained the "Awakened" state of the Zoan..I can picture Garp walking in and laughing at him and teasing him with crackers though..

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                                @nodensuke:

                                Fairly stupid question..

                                Since Sengoku is a Zoan user, and Zoan users have the ability to take 3 forms..Would his second form be an actual statue where he couldn't move and he was simply just a staue of a Buddha?
                                And if that were the case, when he first ate the fruit do you think he got stuck in that form the first time?…Maybe being in that form he gained the "Awakened" state of the Zoan..I can picture Garp walking in and laughing at him and teasing him with crackers though..

                                Um, what makes you think that the form he used at MF wasn't his full form?

                                Supporter of the "Fire-Cutting Style" theory. Sympathizer of the "Cerberus" theory.

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                                  Logia users control their powers which is why they have to be awake to do it however people who master their logia power like Crocodile are able to use their logia element ability to avoid attacks so they're better at avoiding attacks but even people who master their logia power cannot use it while asleep.

                                  Anime video below it happened in the manga as well but i am to lazy to go find it there because its easier finding it on youtube back when Luffy did this he did not have haki at the time but he got Smoker twice because he was not expecting it first with his rocket attack then by spitting the food on Smoker also Ace might have not let the attack pass threw him because he would have burnt the place down because he is a fire logia and he got a free meal from the place so he owed the place lol

                                  I stiil seriously don't understand why this comedic scene keeps of getting bought up when people try to justify the 'not always active logia powers' argument. Do people really think that during a confrontation niether of these characters would have activated their powers? I think it would be pretty idiotic if either of them wasn't expecting an attack from the other. Take this as a comedic scene and nothing else.

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                                    I wandered in here to say a few things but then I noticed everyone was in majorly heated debates so I quickly walked back out before I mentioned anything about how epic Capone's DF really is and the whole thing about Apoo's fruit being a lot more useful/powerful than people first think :ninja:

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                                      @zachri:

                                      I wandered in here to say a few things but then I noticed everyone was in majorly heated debates so I quickly walked back out before I mentioned anything about how epic Capone's DF really is and the whole thing about Apoo's fruit being a lot more useful/powerful than people first think :ninja:

                                      They really have the potential to be super powerful, but then again, I so does Buggy and he sucks at everything. I mean finger bullets, BUGGY Y U NO FINGER BULLETS YET.

                                      Canadians are like the hipsters of One Piece. They've known about Haki for years, and most of them know two types (Ice and Roller), some even know Field.

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                                        @nodensuke:

                                        Fairly stupid question..

                                        Since Sengoku is a Zoan user, and Zoan users have the ability to take 3 forms..Would his second form be an actual statue where he couldn't move and he was simply just a staue of a Buddha?
                                        And if that were the case, when he first ate the fruit do you think he got stuck in that form the first time?…Maybe being in that form he gained the "Awakened" state of the Zoan..I can picture Garp walking in and laughing at him and teasing him with crackers though..

                                        I doubt it, the actual Buddha isn't a statue so I doubt that a form of his Zoan would be him in statue form.

                                        Reading : Homunculus, Blade of the Immortal

                                        Watching : Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze

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                                          I doubt it, the actual Buddha isn't a statue so I doubt that a form of his Zoan would be him in statue form.

                                          It's Hito Hito no Mi: Model Daibutsu. 😛

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                                            It's Hito Hito no Mi: Model Daibutsu. 😛

                                            FML.
                                            Once again, you lead me to ultimate shame with your extensive knowledge of everything 😊.

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                                              Capone's Devil Fruit is incredibly epic. Cannon fire is a powerful weapon in One Piece,* and the guy can surprise you with a half dozen shots as his opening move. Also I don't know if anyone else EVER notices this, but he's made of stone! The man is a walking weapons platform that would, presumably, require a giant to defeat. Consider this: His field makes small things big, but must also make big things small, since his men 'enter' his body. That means that any attack against him will be equally minimalized. Heck, his crew might even be able to make repairs to him if he DOES get injured.

                                              And Apoo's is the closest we've gotten in the series to magic before Kinemon showed up. He can make onomatopoeia attacks, with the apparent range being whoever can hear him. Hook him up to a broadcasting system and he's the equivalent of a sniper who can shoot around corners and cut you in half by beatboxing.

                                              Who else has a fruit that gets a bum wrap…?

                                              *To the point that Marine commanders are taught how to repel it, and it's viewed as a vital skill.

                                              Huh, someone over in the Supernova thread had almost the exact same post as me, regarding Bege.

                                              May you live in interesting times.

                                              May you attract the attention of those above you.

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                                                I was having an argument with some people on here awhile back about Kinemon being a Zoan and I just wanted to share want I think about Zoan users.

                                                1. All Zoans with extra abilities such as Marco, Sandersonia, Marigold, and Sengoku can only use said abilities while in a transformed state.
                                                2. All intellectual buffs grated by a fruit are transcend the user's form examples: Lasso, Funkfreed, Sengoku (possibly) and Chopper.
                                                3. Partial transformations are used by those who have trained their Devil fruit transformations, examples: Onigumo, Marco, Chopper, and possibly Sengoku.

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                                                  Capone's Devil Fruit is incredibly epic. Cannon fire is a powerful weapon in One Piece,* and the guy can surprise you with a half dozen shots as his opening move. Also I don't know if anyone else EVER notices this, but he's made of stone! The man is a walking weapons platform that would, presumably, require a giant to defeat. Consider this: His field makes small things big, but must also make big things small, since his men 'enter' his body. That means that any attack against him will be equally minimalized. Heck, his crew might even be able to make repairs to him if he DOES get injured.

                                                  And Apoo's is the closest we've gotten in the series to magic before Kinemon showed up. He can make onomatopoeia attacks, with the apparent range being whoever can hear him. Hook him up to a broadcasting system and he's the equivalent of a sniper who can shoot around corners and cut you in half by beatboxing.

                                                  Who else has a fruit that gets a bum wrap…?

                                                  *To the point that Marine commanders are taught how to repel it, and it's viewed as a vital skill.

                                                  Huh, someone over in the Supernova thread had almost the exact same post as me, regarding Bege.

                                                  Going through some ones that seem not so wonderful at first glance (not that I don't think they're wonderful though). Buggy, Blamenco, Miss Valentine, Bellamy, Kalifa, Very Good, Sharinguru, Tsuru, Pierre, Apis (anime filler).

                                                  Canadians are like the hipsters of One Piece. They've known about Haki for years, and most of them know two types (Ice and Roller), some even know Field.

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                                                    Um, what makes you think that the form he used at MF wasn't his full form?

                                                    I didn't say it wasn't his full form, we saw his human form and one of his ability forms, whether or not that was his full form or not, it still leaves one more.. I don't really understand your argueing.

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                                                    I doubt it, the actual Buddha isn't a statue so I doubt that a form of his Zoan would be him in statue form.

                                                    @TheCrystalShip:

                                                    It's Hito Hito no Mi: Model Daibutsu. 😛

                                                    Thank you, Daibutsu is a giant Buddha statue so even if it is a Hito Hito no Mi, it's still considered a statue, it just takes the form of a human…

                                                    My question still remains..:happy:

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                                                      I didn't say it wasn't his full form, we saw his human form and one of his ability forms, whether or not that was his full form or not, it still leaves one more.. I don't really understand your argueing.

                                                      Thank you, Daibutsu is a giant Buddha statue so even if it is a Hito Hito no Mi, it's still considered a statue, it just takes the form of a human…

                                                      My question still remains..:happy:

                                                      As we all know, Zoans have 3 transformations/forms: Original, Hybrid and Full. In the original form the user is perfectly normal, no changes. In the Hybrid form the user is a mix between the animal in question and himself (see Marco with wings as arms, Jabra wolf-like, Kaku giraffe-like). And lastly the full form where the user completely transforms into the animal in question (see Kaku at first try when he crashed through the roof).

                                                      In your post you ask if Sengokus full form could possibly be a Daibutsu that can't move, in my reply I asked what made you think that the form we saw wasn't his full form. I meant that what if the form we saw actually was his full form? And the form we have yet to see (if we ever do) is the hybrid. I really wasn't arguing about it. It's a good question tbh.

                                                      Do I get my point across? I try to read my own post and it's kinda confusing so yeah I hope you get the meaning.

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                                                        @Waboshi:

                                                        As we all know, Zoans have 3 transformations/forms: Original, Hybrid and Full. In the original form the user is perfectly normal, no changes. In the Hybrid form the user is a mix between the animal in question and himself (see Marco with wings as arms, Jabra wolf-like, Kaku giraffe-like). And lastly the full form where the user completely transforms into the animal in question (see Kaku at first try when he crashed through the roof).

                                                        In your post you ask if Sengokus full form could possibly be a Daibutsu that can't move, in my reply I asked what made you think that the form we saw wasn't his full form. I meant that what if the form we saw actually was his full form? And the form we have yet to see (if we ever do) is the hybrid. I really wasn't arguing about it. It's a good question tbh.

                                                        Do I get my point across? I try to read my own post and it's kinda confusing so yeah I hope you get the meaning.

                                                        In my first post I said second form not "full", and second being the hybrid..so what you're saying in that last part about the hybrid is what I meant.

                                                        Sorry, it is/was kind of confusing..I also meant to say "I don't understand your statement" not "I don't really understand your argueing." Forgot to edit it.

                                                        It was a dumb question to begin with, it just popped in my head after reading about zoans..

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                                                          Changing the subject.

                                                          What if McGuy has a paramecia version of Enels DF? That would allow him to become and electricman and charge things with electricity? Pretty much like Heis ability in Darker than Black except he could possibly "coat" himself in electricity so that every hit he receives gives the attacker a shock (except Luffy obviously or if the hit is dealt with a weapon made of non-conducting material like a wooden club).

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                                                            @Waboshi:

                                                            Changing the subject.

                                                            What if McGuy has a paramecia version of Enels DF? That would allow him to become and electricman and charge things with electricity? Pretty much like Heis ability in Darker than Black except he could possibly "coat" himself in electricity so that every hit he receives gives the attacker a shock (except Luffy obviously or if the hit is dealt with a weapon made of non-conducting material like a wooden club).

                                                            Eh… I'll just atribute it to Haki or maybe some sort of hi-tech sword. No way Oda would make a fruit that is basically an inferior version of another.

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                                                              Eh… I'll just atribute it to Haki or maybe some sort of hi-tech sword. No way Oda would make a fruit that is basically an inferior version of another.

                                                              I agree… But on that note, what does everyone think of the random powers seen at Marineford?

                                                              Onigumo and Dalmatian are probably Zoans, and we know that Rakuyō's flail "ate" a Zoan fruit.
                                                              But what about that octopus-wearing dude with six arms? Or that guy who pulls hammers out of his chin?

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                                                                I agree… But on that note, what does everyone think of the random powers seen at Marineford?

                                                                Onigumo and Dalmatian are probably Zoans, and we know that Rakuyō's flail "ate" a Zoan fruit.
                                                                But what about that octopus-wearing dude with six arms? Or that guy who pulls hammers out of his chin?

                                                                That guy who pulled the hammer out of his chin obviously has a Paramecia, that, turned him into a 'Pocket Man'; allowing him to store objects–no matter the size--out of pockets on his body. And the octopus-wearing guy is probably just that: an octopus-wearing guy.

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                                                                  That guy who pulled the hammer out of his chin obviously has a Paramecia, that, turned him into a 'Pocket Man'; allowing him to store objects–no matter the size--out of pockets on his body. And the octopus-wearing guy is probably just that: an octopus-wearing guy.

                                                                  Wouldn't that be similar to Capone Bege's fruit where he can store things inside his body and once they reach a barrier they return to normal size?

                                                                  As for McGuy having a weaker version of Enel's fruit I wouldn't say it's weaker, I'd say it's different. Many DF even if unrelated have been show to mimic other DF abilities, like Luffy using Jet Hawk, or CC condensing the gas into a toxic slime similar to Magellan's, then there the similar model fruits that are different fruits but have some basic similarities.

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                                                                    As for the octopus-wearing dude, I think he's just that: an octopus-wearing dude.

                                                                    But he wasn't a normal human, he had six arms. And he didn't look like a fishman…

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                                                                      But he wasn't a normal human, he had six arms. And he didn't look like a fishman…

                                                                      Wern't the extra arms the octopus's body? like how Doma has that monkey holding a gun etc.

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                                                                        Going through some ones that seem not so wonderful at first glance (not that I don't think they're wonderful though). Buggy, Blamenco, Miss Valentine, Bellamy, Kalifa, Very Good, Sharinguru, Tsuru, Pierre, Apis (anime filler).

                                                                        Buggy is already using his Fruit at a moderately strong level, he just has the misfortune of having a really weak body. He seems to make up for this by hiding weapons between his bodyparts (only explanation I can think of for the Muggy Balls), which is a clever use of his power. Really what he should do is wear more weapons on his limbs, like heavy iron gauntlets and bracers and such. Being hit by a dude's forearm isn't that painful, but when it's encased in metal and rimmed with spikes, it can mess you up.

                                                                        Blamenco's Fruit is significantly more useful than just holding stuff. Well, I mean, all it does is hold stuff but… let me explain. First, he gets to defy physics. His pockets are bigger on the inside than the outside. That means he can, presumably, hold ANYTHING in his pockets. Cannons, giant weapons, ships, boulders, lances, explosives... I can think of a dozen uses for a 'bag of holding' off the top of my head. There's presumably no problem with him using it defensively either. You shoot at him? He puts the bullet in his pocket. You slash a sword? He aims the tip in his pocket.

                                                                        Miss Valentine's power should be godly, if she's able to control the weight of a specific part of her body. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. And she's able to alter her mass in an instant. Every kick, punch, slap and poke should be capable of crushing stone through selective alteration of weight at the right moment. If all she can do is alter her whole body's weight, then, unfortunately, the only other way for her to get better use of her Fruit, is to use weapons. A spear would be fantastic in the hands of someone who can leap several stories into the air and then crash down on a target, and she'd make a very impressive sniper, with her quick movements and sudden eagle-eye vision.

                                                                        Kalifa and Tsuru's Fruits are similar so I'll just say... Debuffs are fantastic. Kalifa's Fruit let her move from being useless against Sanji, to utterly trouncing him. Now, he wasn't able to strike her, but she clearly was at a disadvantage before she started using her powers. Of course, then she went entirely in the other direction and basically only used them against Nami. But yeah, being able to defeat an opponent who might be more powerful than you, by 'cleaning the strength away' from them is awesome. Kalifa could have beaten Oars on her own, for example. Unless you know the secret to beating her effect and can take advantage of it, Kalifa's power is awesome. Tsuru's too, by extension, but I only know that one vaguely.

                                                                        Very Good's powers though... come across as a less useful Buggy. Now, he himself seems to be a better fighter, to the point that the Marines sent him after CP9 to arrest them, presumably believing he stood a chance to do so. If I remember correctly, he's immune to blunt attacks, and can float around as orbs.

                                                                        Sharingu has the same solution as Miss Valentine. Hold a weapon and let your increased speed hit the enemy harder than normal. Since the speed seems to be mechanically driven, he should use a really heavy weapon, like a giant hammer, or a weighted chain weapon.

                                                                        Pierre's power is only useless because he's a bird. Zoans in general are more obvious in application than Paramecia. Really, there's not much I can say for a riding-bird that turns into a horse. If anything, it seems like a downgrade... maybe Pierre has more endurance because of his Fruit? I dunno.

                                                                        Oh, and Apis' power IS useless. It was made by the anime, replicated by Luffy just being Luffy, joshed later in the series as nothing interesting or super-special and doesn't imply any level of control over the animal you're speaking to. Plus Chopper, Bepo and Pappug can do it, just because they are bilingual. So yeah. Poorly made powers that aren't thought out well, aren't that great.

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                                                                          Wern't the extra arms the octopus's body? like how Doma has that monkey holding a gun etc.

                                                                          That would have been amusing, but…

                                                                          I still don't see how Blamenco's fruit is much different from Bege's or Caribou's, but whatever.

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                                                                            That would have been amusing, but…

                                                                            http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101212074024/onepiece/images/thumb/5/50/Karma_Battle.jpg/230px-Karma_Battle.jpg

                                                                            I still don't see how Blamenco's fruit is much different from Bege's or Caribou's, but whatever.

                                                                            Took me a couple mins to find the guys arms. I guess when watching didn't pay much attention and just took it for that the octopus was holding the swords and found it mega awesome.

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                                                                              Took me a couple mins to find the guys arms. I guess when watching didn't pay much attention and just took it for that the octopus was holding the swords and found it mega awesome.

                                                                              Yeah, I will probably choose to believe that too,
                                                                              because this guy will probably never show up again and the octopus is way cooler.

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                                                                                everybody know's the characters we know nothing about are exponentially cooler than anything we've ever seen or heard of before, true story. Also - there are alot of weird things in one piece, but why for the love of god would somebody train an octopus to sit on their head and swing swords? Seems more plausible that it's a fruit.

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                                                                                  if two people bite a devil fruit at the same time will they both get the powers?

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                                                                                    The first one who actually swallows it will get the power, Oda said so in a SBS if I'm not mistaken.

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                                                                                      I'm really interested in the Caterpillar guy, I wonder if he can turn into a butterfly, however do to the intended limitations of fruit the specifically grant the power of flight, this is unlikely.

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                                                                                        everybody know's the characters we know nothing about are exponentially cooler than anything we've ever seen or heard of before, true story. Also - there are alot of weird things in one piece, but why for the love of god would somebody train an octopus to sit on their head and swing swords? Seems more plausible that it's a fruit.

                                                                                        The Six-Arm Six-Arm Fruit? 😛

                                                                                        And LOL, that caterpillar guy is awesome.
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                                                                                          Could the octopus-wearing dude be a fishman, per chance?

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                                                                                            Could the octopus-wearing dude be a fishman, per chance?

                                                                                            He looks pretty human like from what I can see.
                                                                                            Can't really know for sure though…

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                                                                                              I wonder when Oda is gonna give us that female house cat Zoan that was in the Databook.

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                                                                                                I wonder when Oda is gonna give us that female house cat Zoan that was in the Databook. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110301111849/onepiece/images/thumb/a/a7/Early_Marguerite.png/150px-Early_Marguerite.png

                                                                                                That was going to be Marguerite. ;_;

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                                                                                                  I wonder when Oda is gonna give us that female house cat Zoan that was in the Databook. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110301111849/onepiece/images/thumb/a/a7/Early_Marguerite.png/150px-Early_Marguerite.png

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                                                                                                  That was going to be Marguerite. ;_;

                                                                                                  but there can still be some woman with that power

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                                                                                                    He looks pretty human like from what I can see.
                                                                                                    Can't really know for sure though…

                                                                                                    He could be half-Fishman, or the son of one. We know that Fishmen/Mermaids and humans can interbreed, and that the results tend to be more human.

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                                                                                                      He could be half-Fishman, or the son of one. We know that Fishmen/Mermaids and humans can interbreed, and that the results tend to be more human.

                                                                                                      Does that mean Chimney has fins somewhere? 😧

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                                                                                                        Well… Chimeny is 1/4 Mermaid. Apparently by that point it boiled down to her just being a good swimmer, meaning her muscles and maybe lungs were still adapted for swimming, but that's it. I wouldn't be surprised if she had webbed toes, though...

                                                                                                        Sapi is a Half-Fishman, and the only obvious trait he inherited from his Fishman side was a fin in the back of his head.

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