General Devil Fruit Discussion

[Rhaknar]

@AcethePuma:

yeah the power is gone so my question is he still a fruit user? cause if not and the power is gone, shouldn´t he be able to swimm again etc?

well wasn´t it stated, that there isn´t the possibility that 2 fruits of the same type exist so just after one dies his power will be available again?

again, never heard this "when someone dies the fruit comes back", especially because…hey...no one dies in one piece

but he Is considered a fruit user still since he still has the curse, as proven here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/493/07/

[Ivotas]

@Rhaknar:

the power is gone, I believe it was explained it was a one time only thing at some point, but the "hammer curse" stays

How does he stay alive as a skeletor I wonder if the fruit doesn't constantly revive respectively keeps him alive? I mean seriously, he's a skeleton, so when does his second live end? It's not like he's aging or something. I see no other plausible explenation then the fruit still being active and keeping him alive right now.

and i never heard/read anyware that the fruit comes back when the user dies

This is just a very popular fan theory but nothing else.

[Memoria]

@Zik:

I don't recall his bones being gouged out, hard task to do with a katana.

I just couldn't think of a better word for all those splinters and bits of bone that were flying everywhere. And that was an anime katana, everyone knows they can do anything.

@AcethePuma:

yeah the power is gone so my question is he still a fruit user? cause if not and the power is gone, shouldn´t he be able to swimm again etc?

The power isn't gone. Before he died, he was a DF user that couldn't swim despite not having died yet - the power was in there waiting to be activated. After he died, the DF power brought him back (and seems to have bent reality so that he could be a living human even though his body was in no shape to support life on its own). He's still a DF user, even after the power's been used.

If Luffy never actually used his rubber powers again, he'd still sink like a rock.

@Ivotas:

I wonder if the fruit doesn't constantly revive respectively keeps him alive? I mean seriously, he's a skeleton, so when does his second live end? It's not like he's aging or something. I see no other plausible explenation then the fruit still being active and keeping him alive right now.

I've always kinda understood it as I briefly mentioned above: the fruit's power was to bring him back to life, and it wasn't going to let a little thing like most of his body being gone stop that from happening. He can see, speak, move, etc with all these things that aren't actually there, and he still eats and sleeps…kind of an invisible life support system, I guess. The advantage is that it's also intangible, so he can't be stabbed in any vital organs because he technically has none.

I do agree that he doesn't seem to be aging physically, although the OP world is full of some pretty old people that still kick tons of ass. That's something I can't even begin to speculate about, since Oda hasn't referred to it aside from a line at some point like "I don't know when my second life will end." It may be that because the DF is already bending reality to let him live - and he does also heal from wounds like a living person, and his bones don't seem to have worn down or crumbled with time - the actual wearing down of the aging process simply doesn't happen, so the one thing he can't die from is old age. Or maybe the second lifespan will end on its own after a certain length of time anyway. Dunno, but I find it pretty interesting.

Another note for those fans that want Brook to be immune to ever dying from anything: would it really be right for him to never get to see his dead friends again in the afterlife, and to outlive everyone he knows now, and to just have to keep going and going forever? Oda's already been pretty rough with the guy, I don't think he'd take it that far. :sad:

@Ivotas:

Authors generally do give their protagonist opinions that reflect their own. At least those which get defended until the end.

They most certainly do not. Writers that can't let their protagonists be wrong or mistaken about things or even just hold different opinions (because the character is not the author is not the character) are some pretty crappy writers.

@Ivotas:

I know that. But just as I said, this could be flawed interpretation from Brook's side. How does he know he can only revive once? I wouldn't be surprised if at a later point Brook dies only to be revived again to his own surprise.

Wasn't there something about "people who eat a DF instinctively know what it is/can do even if they don't know which DF it is before they eat it" when some of the CP9 folks got powers during Water 7/Enies Lobby? Or at least I kinda remember it and the other day I saw someone joking that maybe Luffy was just too dumb to have that flash of insight.

The dying Rumbars' brief discussion of Brook's powers sounded more like none of them (Brook included) was 100% sure they could believe that coming back from death was possible even with a devil fruit. They'd never seen anything like it.

[Ldearing88]

@Strongbad456:

Yeah, Brook's fruit can't do anything but bring him back to life upon his death. That's it. When he was originally alive, it did nothing but take his ability to swim. Once he died, his soul came back and found his body again. Once he came back, the fruit had done it's job and he continued to not be able to swim. The fruit won't do anything else now. He won't get some kind of control over the dead or souls, he'll just continue to live and not swim. The only abilities he'll be able to work on are his sword skills and music skills.

But then again Brook can run on top of water so he doesn't need to worry about that. Plus as far as swordsmanship goes he can and has been able to visually keep up with Zoro's movements when Franky couldn't understand what was happening. So maybe he could strengthen his ability to see things instead of just becoming faster. Like if he were to train with Zoro he could learn to read his attacks and from that gain speed in his swordsmanship and other things as well not to mention added power to his attacks.

[Coookie]

@Ldearing88:

But then again Brook can run on top of water so he doesn't need to worry about that.

Actually, he does need to worry about it since he can't run on the water forever because his muscles would wear out although there aren't any muscles which could do so, YOHOHO!

!

[Ldearing88]

@Coookie:

Actually, he does need to worry about it since he can't run on the water forever because his muscles would wear out although there aren't any muscles which could do so, YOHOHO!

! http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/494/002.jpg

Actually when I said that I assumed you'd know I what I meant but not have to worry about it. I meant if he fell off the boat he could run on the water long enough for them to bring him back aboard.

[Ivotas]

@Mushroom:

I've always kinda understood it as I briefly mentioned above: the fruit's power was to bring him back to life, and it wasn't going to let a little thing like most of his body being gone stop that from happening. He can see, speak, move, etc with all these things that aren't actually there, and he still eats and sleeps…kind of an invisible life support system, I guess. The advantage is that it's also intangible, so he can't be stabbed in any vital organs because he technically has none.

Makes pretty much sense. But then the question is whether or not the fruit is still in function. I mean would the fruit create a invisible life support system and that's it or is it maintaining such system constantly? The latter would sound more like an immortality fruit and not like a revival fruit.

I do agree that he doesn't seem to be aging physically, although the OP world is full of some pretty old people that still kick tons of ass. That's something I can't even begin to speculate about, since Oda hasn't referred to it aside from a line at some point like "I don't know when my second life will end." It may be that because the DF is already bending reality to let him live - and he does also heal from wounds like a living person, and his bones don't seem to have worn down or crumbled with time - the actual wearing down of the aging process simply doesn't happen, so the one thing he can't die from is old age. Or maybe the second lifespan will end on its own after a certain length of time anyway. Dunno, but I find it pretty interesting.

You're right about the kickass old dudes in One Piece, not much to add there. But the thing is the current skeleton Brook doesn't seem to be any different from the skeleton Brook decades ago.

Another note for those fans that want Brook to be immune to ever dying from anything: would it really be right for him to never get to see his dead friends again in the afterlife, and to outlive everyone he knows now, and to just have to keep going and going forever? Oda's already been pretty rough with the guy, I don't think he'd take it that far. :sad:

Pretty good point you raise there and I agree with it fully. Actually this would work very well with another theory of mine. To make it short I believe that at some point there will be something like a cure against DF powers, which turns ability users into their pre-DF state. If such a thing would exists then Brook would have the option to put a life to his at own will. I'm not saying that we will see it on screen but the option would exist.

Alternatively couldn't Teach actually use his ability to kill Brook? Not that I think it will happen but it's an option (if he can really do that).

They most certainly do not. Writers that can't let their protagonists be wrong or mistaken about things or even just hold different opinions (because the character is not the author is not the character) are some pretty crappy writers.

That's why my second sentence was "at least those which get defended until the end". I was refering to protagonist's opinions that don't fall under the category of "the character is mistaken". Of course you're definitely correct that protagonists can be mistaken. Prime examples of that were Nami's and Robin's solutions for their own problems. That clearly goes against the authors views. But we only know so because the author has proven Nami and Robin to be wrong through the other protagonists opinions, which means Luffy & Co. were representing the authors ideals at this point.

The point is that when the protagonist(s) appear(s) to do the right things because of the right decisions then it is clearly because the author himself believes that to be true. In this case the protagonist reflects the authors opinion. And I personally interpret Choppers statement in question to be reflecting the authors views because Oda does at no point find it necessary to include an opposing opinion that proves Chopper to be wrong.

Wasn't there something about "people who eat a DF instinctively know what it is/can do even if they don't know which DF it is before they eat it" when some of the CP9 folks got powers during Water 7/Enies Lobby? Or at least I kinda remember it and the other day I saw someone joking that maybe Luffy was just too dumb to have that flash of insight.

Nope, nothing of that sort was said.

[Yoshu-sama]

I wonder, wouldn't Brooke die the second he falls under water or gets touched by Blackbeard since the only thing keeping him alive is his Devil's Fruit power?

–Edit--
My bad, already asked earlier in the thread.

[Memoria]

@Ivotas:

You're right about the kickass old dudes in One Piece, not much to add there. But the thing is the current skeleton Brook doesn't seem to be any different from the skeleton Brook decades ago.

To be fair, it's not like a skeleton can get wrinkles.

@Ivotas:

And I personally interpret Choppers statement in question to be reflecting the authors views because Oda does at no point find it necessary to include an opposing opinion that proves Chopper to be wrong.

I don't think Oda needed to bash us over the head with it, though. The reality of Chopper's naive dream of trying to cure death so nobody ever has to be sad again turned out to be Moria and Hogback's creepy philosophies, which Chopper was rightly horrified with. The storyline itself proved Chopper wrong - people do die, and instead of going mad and trying to drag them back so you never have to grieve (Moria and his subordinates, Hogback and Cindry), you give them a proper burial and you grieve and you get up and keep going. I thought it was a very mature overall theme, and handled incredibly well.

[PseudoKirby]

I say he dies sometime in the future and finds out that he can take his soul and posess other things and fight like that

so to use his powers he dies again and then moves to another body or object while holding on to his regular body

and if that happens I can see Dojishin of him possessing a pair of Robins Panties

[Marker Mage]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned earlier, but I'd like to point a few things out.

1. We don't know exactly how Brook's DF power works. We know that it keeps him alive and moving, but we have no idea of how.
2. Knowing how something works, provides the opportunity to exploit it. To find the loopholes, you must first find the rules.
3. There are many possibilities for how Brook's DF power gets certain things to happen. Maybe his power gave him all of those body parts he was missing but they're kept in some sort of hammerspace that his DF allows him to remain connected to, which may eventually be used as a way for him to carry a piano with him wherever he goes by keeping it wherever he keeps those body parts at. Maybe his bones are held together by telekinesis and all of his senses now rely on ESP to work and he'll be able to eventually do the work of an entire orchestra once he figures this out and practices hard enough. I'm sure that there are other possibilities.
4. Oda seems to enjoy an occasional explanation of some of the stuff that's important to the plot. He wasn't the type to put in some powder that creates rain magically. He was the type to put in a powder that, when burned, would create a mist that would speed up the creation of ice particles in sub-freezing temperature clouds, which would cause rainfall. Oda even had a character explain how it started wars because it prevented clouds from raining at other places.
5. Brook's status as a main character makes him and what he can do important to the plot.

I hope these 5 things give you something to think about for awhile.

[Ldearing88]

It makes sense that Brook shouldn't be able to age but there has been no actual evidence saying that it's a one shot deal. He could possibly be able to die and always come back since the fruits power isn't called once revive once revive. It's not fact that it only works once cause even if Brook did say that it doesn't make it true only Oda knows the truth and it will either be revealed eventually or just be left as something for us fans to ponder about.

[Ivotas]

@Mushroom:

To be fair, it's not like a skeleton can get wrinkles.

Touché. But that's not really what I meant. I simply meant that fitness-wise he doesn't come across like a geezer. I mean on that field he comes across (to me at least) as being as fit as he was about the time before he died. I don't get any "I'm not as fit as I used to be in my younger ages" impression.

@Mushroom:

I don't think Oda needed to bash us over the head with it, though. The reality of Chopper's naive dream of trying to cure death so nobody ever has to be sad again turned out to be Moria and Hogback's creepy philosophies, which Chopper was rightly horrified with. The storyline itself proved Chopper wrong - people do die, and instead of going mad and trying to drag them back so you never have to grieve (Moria and his subordinates, Hogback and Cindry), you give them a proper burial and you grieve and you get up and keep going. I thought it was a very mature overall theme, and handled incredibly well.

I think that you and I actually agree on everything only that we're having different approaches that makes it like we have opposing views. I never questioned that it is a naive dream. But this is exactly what I also consider to be Oda's take on it. That it is a naive dream is actually exactly what I consider to be Oda's take on it. It's a "wouldn't it be great if" kind of thing instead of "such a thing needs to be done". Hope I was able to get that across. I'm not very happy with my wording. =/

[SeriusReader]

Oi its not, immortality fruit, just second life (aka insert-right-term) fruit. And it is DF, so normal counters wound count. Like "how it cries without eyes" how it mover without muscles".

[Ivotas]

@SeriusReader:

Oi its not, immortality fruit, just second life fruit. And it is DF, so normal counters wound count. Like "how it cries without eyes" how it mover without muscles".

No it's not second live fruit it's "revival fruit". And the term "revival" by itself doesn't include a certain limit as to how often it can take place.

I actually find it even funny how often people come up with that "not immortal fruit" argument in the first place. I mean is the difference that hard to see? Revival, no matter if a one time or a constant thing still requires death to happen in the first place, because you can only come back from the dead if you practically die. Immortality however means that you don't experience such a thing as death in the first place.

So yeah, it's not an immortality fruit. But with a constant revival ability you can achieve practically the same with the slight difference that you also experience death. And that's exactly what I'm suggesting here because the reason I stated in my first sentence in this post.

[fedcom]

@Ivotas:

I mean he had about 50 years time to practice his swordsman skills. If he receives a huge boost now with the Strawhats during a short time while he couldn't get it done in decades it would be somehow strange.

While Brooke may have been training all those 50 years, I doubt he would've gotten much stronger after that. He's alone, and therefore cannot gain any experience or new techniques.

Take Zoro for example during his fight with Mr.1. He became able to cut through steel at that point and was glad to have fought him so he could become stronger.Do you think all the straw hats would've reached the level they are in now if they did nothing but sit on their ships and train instead of fighting anyone?

I think Brooke's swordsmanship will become much stronger with the Straw Hats as opposed to training by himself for 50 years.

[Shaman monk]

what you say does make since cause you learn from your battles and each one is different but what you said is truthful to some extent but still with 50 years under his belt he should be alot stronger than he is now. he even had zombie pirates to care of for a while.whether your alone or not 50 years is a freaking long time and if all you do to pass the time is train i believe he gotta be stronger than he is now.

im back everybody XD did you miss me XP?

[Mokenda_mint]

Brook has mentioned before "I don't know when this 2nd life will run out." So I'm assuming it's a one time thing.
Besides otherwise he'd live a miserable life, losing every friend he ever comes to know

[Zik]

@Mokenda_mint:

Brook has mentioned before "I don't know when this 2nd life will run out." So I'm assuming it's a one time thing.
Besides otherwise he'd live a miserable life, losing every friend he ever comes to know

Or maybe he just doesn't know…...

Could be equivalent to the amount of time he lived in his first life once his soul returned to his body. So he died at 38, soul searched for his body how long in that 50 year period? This could be wrong if it's not more than 15-20.

...or like I said he has no idea at all. Maybe he'll ask Vegapunk or some other SH......

[Ivotas]

@fedcom:

While Brooke may have been training all those 50 years, I doubt he would've gotten much stronger after that. He's alone, and therefore cannot gain any experience or new techniques.

True that he cannot gain fighting experience but he can train by himself can't he? It's not like he has that much more things to do on the ship anyway.

@Mokenda_mint:

Brook has mentioned before "I don't know when this 2nd life will run out." So I'm assuming it's a one time thing.
Besides otherwise he'd live a miserable life, losing every friend he ever comes to know

Zik pretty much covered it. It's Brook that doesn't know. And he might not even know the full extent of his ability either. All I'm saying is that he doesn't come across as an expert on his DF ability, so if there's more to it there's still the chance that he will find out.

[RobinotX]

Well, if there are things Brook could do. And when he landed on that Demon Summoning island, I was sure he was able to summon spirits or demons from the Underworld. But then again.. maybe he can take his soul into someones body to take over if it is a weak soul Or going to fuse with someone's soul to give them the power he has. Well in Brook's case, he give them his speed.

Furthermore, if his Devil Fruit has more uses, then I think Brook could be able 2 use some kind of songs to improve himself. n_n

[badmanversion1]

@Yoshu-sama:

I wonder, wouldn't Brooke die the second he falls under water or gets touched by Blackbeard since the only thing keeping him alive is his Devil's Fruit power?

–Edit--
My bad, already asked earlier in the thread.

It was but just to say - his fruit "may" (speculation OBV) be like luffy's and still work (i.e. arlong park) underwater he just can't move very well and becomes weak. :blink:

Brooks fruit is confusing !!

[Memoria]

@Zik:

Could be equivalent to the amount of time he lived in his first life once his soul returned to his body. So he died at 38, soul searched for his body how long in that 50 year period? This could be wrong if it's not more than 15-20.

"I searched for my body within the fog for a year." OP 443

[Vanessa]

@Ivotas:

I actually find it even funny how often people come up with that "not immortal fruit" argument in the first place. I mean is the difference that hard to see? Revival, no matter if a one time or a constant thing still requires death to happen in the first place, because you can only come back from the dead if you practically die. Immortality however means that you don't experience such a thing as death in the first place.

So yeah, it's not an immortality fruit. But with a constant revival ability you can achieve practically the same with the slight difference that you also experience death. And that's exactly what I'm suggesting here because the reason I stated in my first sentence in this post.

But the Yorki Pirates knowing what fruit Brook ate proves that knowledge of the Yomi Fruit exists. Since I doubt the Devil Fruit book Teach mentioned is some recent thing I'm guessing they looked it up and found out what Devil Fruit Brook ate. Which means the Yomi Fruit had to have been used at least once before.

So saying Brook is able to revive over and over is something very doubtful since that means Brook would have been the very first person who ate the Yomi Fruit which wouldn't make sense considering they all knew what the ability was, even if Brook wasn't sure it would work.

@brennen.exe:

Vanessa has a good way of screwing with peoples head, so I will leave that much to her.

I don't know whether to take this as a compliment or…:ninja:

[Marker Mage]

@Ivotas:

True that he cannot gain fighting experience but he can train by himself can't he? It's not like he has that much more things to do on the ship anyway.

I don't think whether or not he trained depended on whether there was other things to do on the ship or not.

A few of you may have heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. For those that haven't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs While Brook was alone, his need for love/belonging wasn't being met, so he would work most to meet that need. After his shadow was lost, his need for safety stopped being met.

So what he did at first would have likely been whatever he could think of to get to where he had friends again. Since it isn't easy to think of a way for training to help him get friends, we can easily assume that he didn't do much of that. However, after he lost his shadow, he would have been more concerned with getting it back than getting friends. Since he knew he would have to fight if he wanted his shadow back, he knew that training would help, and thus he began training.

So I say that 20th century psychology supports the idea that someone in Brook's situation wouldn't have trained until after losing their shadow.

[igetownd]

@Marker:

I don't think whether or not he trained depended on whether there was other things to do on the ship or not.

A few of you may have heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. For those that haven't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs While Brook was alone, his need for love/belonging wasn't being met, so he would work most to meet that need. After his shadow was lost, his need for safety stopped being met.

So what he did at first would have likely been whatever he could think of to get to where he had friends again. Since it isn't easy to think of a way for training to help him get friends, we can easily assume that he didn't do much of that. However, after he lost his shadow, he would have been more concerned with getting it back than getting friends. Since he knew he would have to fight if he wanted his shadow back, he knew that training would help, and thus he began training.

So I say that 20th century psychology supports the idea that someone in Brook's situation wouldn't have trained until after losing their shadow.

I think this best explains why Brooke hasn't grow for most of the 50 years he's been in the Florian Triangle. He probably tries to approach people with his best manners, but scares most away just because he's a skeleton on a decomposing ship in the midst of a deep fog. Now that he's in the light with young lively people, he's not nearly as scary as before.

[Ivotas]

@Vanessa:

But the Yorki Pirates knowing what fruit Brook ate proves that knowledge of the Yomi Fruit exists. Since I doubt the Devil Fruit book Teach mentioned is some recent thing I'm guessing they looked it up and found out what Devil Fruit Brook ate. Which means the Yomi Fruit had to have been used at least once before.

So saying Brook is able to revive over and over is something very doubtful since that means Brook would have been the very first person who ate the Yomi Fruit which wouldn't make sense considering they all knew what the ability was, even if Brook wasn't sure it would work.

Well that depends on different views on the book itself then. I personally think that the book is actually written by whoever created respectively grew the Devil's Fruits. In such a scenario Brook could definitely be the first one to use the fruit.

[Vanessa]

@Ivotas:

Well that depends on different views on the book itself then. I personally think that the book is actually written by whoever created respectively grew the Devil's Fruits. In such a scenario Brook could definitely be the first one to use the fruit.

But if that were the case; the abilities of the Devil Fruits that were given to Spandam and later eaten by Kaku and Califa would have already been known beforehand. It was stated that they weren't in the Devil Fruit book, and they wouldn't know what the ability given was until Kaku and Califa ate them. And since the Ushi Fruit: Model Giraffe and the Awa Fruit were in World Goverment's posession; I'm guessing as soon as Kaku and Califa demonstrated what the power given was those two would be added.

So yes I can safely say that Brook isn't the first person to have eaten the Yomi Fruit since otherwise no information regarding it would be known until after Brook died and subsequently returned to his body. Even then, due to Brook being trapped in the Florian Triangle, he would be the only one to know which wouldn't explain how his old crewmembers knew as well unless knowledge of the Yomi Fruit was already out there.

[Ivotas]

@Vanessa:

But if that were the case; the abilities of the Devil Fruits that were given to Spandam and later eaten by Kaku and Califa would have already been known beforehand. It was stated that they weren't in the Devil Fruit book, and they wouldn't know what the ability given was until Kaku and Califa ate them. And since the Ushi Fruit: Model Giraffe and the Awa Fruit were in World Goverment's posession; I'm guessing as soon as Kaku and Califa demonstrated what the power given was those two would be added.

Where exactly was that said? Please share the part where it is stated that they were not in the book. All I can find is that Spandam & Co. simply didn't know. And this can quite easily be because they simply never read the book. This pretty much makes sense if you consider that so far only pirates had further infos about Devil's Fruits:

• Red Hair Pirates: Knew that Luffy ate the Rubber Fruit.
• Rumbar Pirates: Knew that Brook ate the Revival Fruit.
• Teach: Has read the book.
• Sanji: Has read the book aswell.

So even if Shanks' and Yorki's men have their info from the book then it comes across as a pirate thing. Ok, I'm not saying that Sanji couldn't have read it before he met Zeff but considering the above list I'd find it more likely that that book is something of Zeff's belongings. So until proven otherwise I'd assume that this book is rather something so rare and only shared among pirates and that nobody else, not even CP9 has read it so far.

As I said, my theory is that whoever created the fruits long ago wrote the book. And by that theory there's no such fruits that aren't listed in there.

[Vanessa]

@Ivotas:

Where exactly was that said? Please share the part where it is stated that they were not in the book. All I can find is that Spandam & Co. simply didn't know.

Well Kaku states that they weren't in any encyclopedia; which I'm pretty sure refers to the Devil Fruit book. So Kaku likely took a look to see if any looked like the Ushi Fruit: Model Giraffe and Awa Fruit and couldn't find them.

EDIT: Here you go, it's on chapter 385:

@stephen's:

• Page 150 -

Jabura: …but, Chief!!
How did you manage to find TWO Devil Fruit?!! Where did you...

Spandam: Let's just say I have connections...
Now eat up, for the future's sake...!!!
{Hahaha... and now, CP9 will be even stronger!!!}
But, one little warning...
Not even I have any idea...
what kind of devils reside in those things!!

[Judicial Tower, Rob Lucci's room]

Kaku: They look positively otherwordly… I feel some kind of mysterious "pull" emanating from it.
And it's not in any encyclopedia.

Califa: That is normal, apparently.

Kaku: You can discover the name of the fruit by the abilities you gain,
but until then, it is simply a gamble to see what you'll get.

Califa: If you get some bizarre power, your life will be ruined.
Plus, it means you can't swim anymore...

[Ivotas]

@Vanessa:

Well Kaku states that they weren't in any encyclopedia; which I'm pretty sure refers to the Devil Fruit book. So Kaku likely took a look to see if any looked like the Ushi Fruit: Model Giraffe and Awa Fruit and couldn't find them.

Chapter and page please. I'd like to look it up.

[blabla]

I disagree w/ ppl saying brook's fruit can't advance. Brook is literally just bones animated by the spirit (enabled by the fruit), and he has no more issue of dying. The reason I'm saying this is because he's been trapped on his old ship for 30-40 years assuming w/ no food. IF he learned Haki (burst of spirit), it might bring out the true power of the fruit.

[richyy789]

i bet brook saved some shadows from thriller bark in his skull n will use it for his secret move

[Capt Haggis]

No way. Not having a shadow hurt brook so much he would never force someone to go though that.

[Dochii]

So if someone had the revival fruit before Brook which is why it was in that DF book, how did that person lose it? Unless of course you could only be revived once or some limited amount of times.

[Ldearing88]

All I can say is if he does have some sort of special abilities it's safe to say he won't be pulling off anything close to the kleymatus dance and digital bullet attacks of Kinnimaro's.

[Zik]

@Dochii:

So if someone had the revival fruit before Brook which is why it was in that DF book, how did that person lose it? Unless of course you could only be revived once or some limited amount of times.

Maybe when that person died a 2nd time they couldn't find their body like Brook but by the time they did there weren't even bones left so their soul eventually died without a body….

YOHOHHOHOHO!

[Chompp]

@Ivotas:

The Red Hair pirates also knew which fruit Luffy ate and we know that one definitely wasn't used before. Let's not forget that there's that one certain book that covers all the Devil Fruits that exist. That's how Teach knew which one was his Darkness Fruit. And I think the same applies to why Shanks' and Yorki's men knew of it.

Not saying that what you say isn't possible. But with what we've seen of the story so far it is likely that it's thanks to the book.

How do you know that Luffy’s DF has never been used before? We know for a fact that same fruits may exist just not on at the same time. I agree with Vanessa on this book thing. Isn’t it the most logical reason why they have info about some of the Devil fruits because they have been eaten earlier so they had the opportunity to collect the data of that fruit and write it down?

Most problematic thing with Brooke's fruit imo is that what if Brooke didn’t need the time of a whole year to find his body and had a normal body now instead of a skeleton? Would the fruit then be still active after the revival? And then we wouldn’t probably think that can he die again ‘cause it would seem 100% sure that he would die just like any other man. Also could Teach kill him then just by touching? Or if user would have died with a huge wound would that wound still be in him when he is revived?

[1010011010]

i think the friut worked by allowing his soul to return and so reanimating his body (although he just bones yohohoho) and only then is the time when the fruits power was active, but now its his soul that is kept in the skeleton.

[richyy789]

then is brook immortal can he feel pain with no pain nerves. the fruit allows you to live a second life but how do u kill brook/

[flandrian15]

@richyy789:

then is brook immortal can he feel pain with no pain nerves. the fruit allows you to live a second life but how do u kill brook/

Pulvorising him would be a good guess. Also, perhaps not a good idea to give Brook seastone Cuffs because his DFpower will be gone and he will die. But perhaps after removing the cuffs his soul will return again? hm drowning would work.
I just thought of something. . . if brooks finds himself to weak to fight he can just lay down and play dead to the EXTREME, best camouflage EVER

lol

[1010011010]

@richyy789:

then is brook immortal can he feel pain with no pain nerves. the fruit allows you to live a second life but how do u kill brook/

well let's say that the bones are the medium for brooks soul, that means you detroy the medium then you destroy releae the soul and so it returns to where ever brook's soul came from (after his first death) as for the feeling pain part, surpose that the fruit, in the same way allowed brook to move without mucles, allowed brook to feel.

[Gorlom]

@flandrian15:

Pulvorising him would be a good guess. Also, perhaps not a good idea to give Brook seastone Cuffs because his DFpower will be gone and he will die. But perhaps after removing the cuffs his soul will return again? hm drowning would work.
I just thought of something. . . if brooks finds himself to weak to fight he can just lay down and play dead to the EXTREME, best camouflage EVER

lol

As far as I have seen we have no reason to believe that seastone will remove the power from the user. Most likely it will just prevent the user from controlling his/her power the same way water paralyzes them.
Robin wasn't able to use her powers because hers in activated by will. But Luffy would most likely still be able to stretch IF someone else pulled on him.

[Chompp]

But if that were the case why did ener almost die when Wiper used reject dial on him? I thought it was quite undoubtedly confirmed that kairouseki actually nullify DF powers when water just takes the strenght from the user so that he can't use his powers but they are still there.

[SeriusReader]

@richyy789:

then is brook immortal can he feel pain with no pain nerves. the fruit allows you to live a second life but how do u kill brook/

You can kill Brooke.. just forget him. DOM!

[Memoria]

@Chompp:

I thought it was quite undoubtedly confirmed that kairouseki actually nullify DF powers when water just takes the strenght from the user so that he can't use his powers but they are still there.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kairoseki

It has the exact same effect as seawater. That's why it's called seastone in the first place.

@richyy789:

then is brook immortal can he feel pain with no pain nerves. the fruit allows you to live a second life but how do u kill brook/

Yes, Brook can feel pain. Oda went out of his way to let us know that he feels pain, while actual undead in the OP world do not. And then we saw him in quite a LOT of pain while, for instance, Ryuuma was beating the crap out of him.

Since Brook can be hurt (and his body still heals like a living person as well), killing him is not likely to be any trickier than killing anyone else: just keep hurting him until he dies. Ryuuma's beating left him having difficulty standing after a while, then pretty much collapsed/too badly hurt to move by the time Zoro and Franky showed up to bail him out.

Being only bones just means you can't cheat and directly stab a vital organ. It doesn't mean he's immortal. Honestly, I think half of you guys just see a skeleton and suddenly project a ton of cliche generic fantasy undead crap on there where Oda himself has written nothing of the sort. This is One Piece, you should all know better.

[1010011010]

@Mushroom:

Being only bones just means you can't cheat and directly stab a vital organ. It doesn't mean he's immortal. Honestly, I think half of you guys just see a skeleton and suddenly project a ton of cliche generic fantasy undead crap on there where Oda himself has written nothing of the sort. This is One Piece, you should all know better.

but he can open his head?

[Memoria]

@1010011010:

but he can open his head?

What does that have to do with people claiming he's unable to be killed? :blink: He's just got a wacky secret compartment where his brain used to be, that's all.

[1010011010]

@Mushroom:

What does that have to do with people claiming he's unable to be killed? :blink: He's just got a wacky secret compartment where his brain used to be, that's all.

if e can put a tone dile where his brain used to be, why can't somone put a sword where his heart used to be?

[Memoria]

@1010011010:

if e can put a tone dile where his brain used to be, why can't somone put a sword where his heart used to be?

…what are you arguing? He has no brain, therefore he can put a tone dial in there. He has no heart, therefore he cannot be stabbed in the heart.

That doesn't mean he can't be hurt. Ryuuma hurt him so bad he could hardly stand. All those fractures and shards of bone flying everywhere weren't something he just ignored. Therefore, since he can be wounded - feeling pain and being unable to get back up easily because of it are the body's warning signs of "NO STAY DOWN/STOP DOING THAT, YOU WILL DIE" - it follows that he can be wounded severely enough that he'll die.