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    • Mennen728
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      4Kids Grows Up, Launches Tween to Adult Licensing Subsidiary (2006-04-19 11:31:36)
      4Kids Entertainment has announced the launch of a new subsidiary, 4Sight Licensing Solutions, inc. 4Sight will specialise in the licensing and marketing of brands aimed at adults, teens and tweens. Current 4Kids brands being moved to 4Sight to not include any of 4Kids anime properties. Todd Fromer of KCSA publicity, representing 4Kids, said that anime isn't necessarily ruled out of the 4Sight line up, but that anime lends itself more to a children's market.

      i hope this means a release of uncut, better dub One Piece DVD's.

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        4KID$ IS S311ING !!HARDCORE||~XXX-PORN-XXX~?! :blink:

        …

        Sadly, this subsidiary does not handle Anime. Pity.

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        • Ms. Suave Debonair
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          4kids is getting a little blue…

          ...smooth.

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            Think about it though, the anime they license will still have music changes, edits, and the same bad voice acting.

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              @Malintex_Terek:

              4KID$ IS S311ING !!HARDCORE||~XXX-PORN-XXX~?! :blink:

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              Sadly, this subsidiary does not handle Anime. Pity.

              but they also said that anime hasn't been ruled out either.:happy:

              i still have a little bit of hope.

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                If it turns out to be true, then (Nami voice) Arigato, Kami-samaaaaaaaaa!.

                Rappin' Chopper:

                "Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"

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                • Aoi Neko
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                  Well, it's about time 4Kids matures. :dry: They better release uncuts with the original music and VAs. If not, I'm not buying.

                  And no Zolo, Chaser, Roguetown, etc. 😠

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                  • Sandai Mera
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                    but that anime lends itself more to a children's market.

                    BULLLLLLSHIIITTT anime isn't just for Kids even if the anime falls into the Shonen
                    genre.

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                      As soon as I saw this topic, this was the first thing that popped into my mind.


                      @Mennen728:

                      Current 4Kids brands being moved to 4Sight to not include any of 4Kids anime properties.

                      What other 4Kids properties would actually benefit from the move?

                      One Piece: Grand Line Bout - a fighting game made by fans, for fans!

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                        Yea, we were talking about this in the Official Dub Discussion thread. I have little hope for them tho.

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                          I hate the word 'tween' with a passion.

                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                            Yea, we were talking about this in the Official Dub Discussion thread. I have little hope for them tho.

                            Me too. After all the lies 4Kids made, it's hard to trust them now. 😞

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                              "Current 4Kids brands being moved to 4Sight to not include any of 4Kids anime properties."
                              No One Piece…damn
                              Nice use of Neglected Mario Characters Comixs.

                              Sig made by AngelzRfalling.

                              Gary "Iceman" Martin. RIP.

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                                They said that anime wasn't ruled out for the moment, so there might be a little more hope for an uncut One Piece, we'll just have to wait to see how things play out.

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                                  @Anime:

                                  "Current 4Kids brands being moved to 4Sight to not include any of 4Kids anime properties."
                                  No One Piece…damn
                                  Nice use of Neglected Mario Characters Comixs.

                                  …Well then...D'OH!

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                                    I wanna see 4hentai… it would be hilarious:

                                    (ecstatic catgirl) Oh, my.... what a big green super-soaker!
                                    (porno music replaced by rap)

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                                        WHY IS IT CALLED 4SIGHT?!

                                        I don't get the name at all…

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                                          Hmm.. It could have been

                                          4play or 4skin..

                                          Too bad.

                                          _"I still think you are on the run or something.

                                          You just look like a different person, in a new place, with a new name in every picture." - Hiroy_

                                          ADD ME ON One Piece Treasure Cruise : GLOBAL: 782,244,354 (RAY/BOA/WB/SW SHANKS/SABO)

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                                            Hmm.. It could have been

                                            4play or 4skin..

                                            xD Or 4head or 4getmenot or 4!!!golfers.

                                            amused too easily

                                            ![](images/smilies/ipb/heart.png "Heart")![](images/smilies/ipb/heart.png "Heart") ![](images/smilies/taboo/tabs.png "Ron Swanson")

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                                              it was a spelling error, it was meant as…

                                              4shite….

                                              ..maybe..:ninja:

                                              or even.. 4the the love of god, please stop , you make my brain explode!!

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                                                Maybe they are trying to justify there blindness for not seeing wth they are doing to anime?

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                                                  Maybe they are trying to justify there blindness for not seeing wth they are doing to anime?

                                                  What they are doing is seeing the popularity of japanese anime in the american/western youth and tried to get a piece of the action with their younger audience. As they are a company which is only interested in one thing..money, it is looking for new ways to bring in more money. They want to try and reach a more wider audience, because there's only so much you can do with younger kids (sounds kinda dirty there:dry:). So they are trying their hand at more mature programming. They most likely think teens won't watch a show that is done by a company with 'kids' in their name and thus we get 4sight, how that name came about, is beyond me and truth be told it sucks. The 4 in the name implies that it has something to do with 4kids. They need to learn that it isn't the 'kids' in their name that will scare people off but the '4' as that is what keeps it connected to a shit company.

                                                  If it were a perfect world, they would keep their hands out of it all together but obviously, that isn't the case.

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                                                    While there is the tiniest ray of hope that something decent may come our way, I have a great feeling it won't. If anything, this new subsidary means they will be going for licensed of older stuff we like and still ruining it because "Americans are too dumb to appreciate Japanese stuff." I am very, very afraid.

                                                    And pissed off because of everything that comes out of Satan's Bitch Al Kahn's mouth:
                                                    "We have built an impressive roster of captivating and successful children's entertainment properties," said Alfred R. Kahn, Chairman and CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. "Given the increased number of brands that we are representing that focus on an older audience, we felt it would be beneficial to organize a new subsidiary primarily devoted to the marketing and licensing of these brands. We believe that we can successfully utilize our marketing and licensing expertise to build brand value for properties targeting an older consumer that are not necessarily media or character driven."

                                                    Successful? Unfortunately yes. Captivating? Like hell you have, anything at all captivating about the shows you did was thanks to the foreign studios/creators, not anything you had to do with it.

                                                    And older consumers can and are just as big fans of character driven series as kids. The guy NEVER understands his target audience.

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                                                      Captivating? Like hell you have, anything at all captivating about the shows you did was thanks to the foreign studios/creators, not anything you had to do with it.

                                                      With all due respect you're not a toddler or 6-year old. The shows are meant to be captivating to rugrats and he's justified in saying that as the properties they own are indeed successful.

                                                      And while 4Kids hasn't really 'made' the storylines or animation, if the English version wasn't produced by them then it wouldn't be available. I'm not saying another company wouldn't pick them up, just the fact that they are the one's who make them accessible. So again, although you could try and misconstrue his words, when he's talking about the target audience, he's dead right.

                                                      No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                        I accept that, but then again this is also the guy who says that 4Kids will never produce books cause kids don't read. That annoys me. He's insulting kids' intelligence.

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                                                          Well, he's right about that too. When you read the whole statement he compares the US to Japan. Japan and its huge reading population as well as used manga sales make the US readers look pitiful.

                                                          If you take soundbytes or pick and choose his words they sound odd but I've never read any complete quote from him that doesn't make total sense, even his DVD comments.

                                                          Now…his calling uncut DVD's 'things' is uncalled for, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also right about them not having as big of an audience. If OP took off it'd be another story, and you could very well argue that if OP were uncut it would be more popular....but...anyone we'd actually want to be on our side should know well enough that it's suffering edits and when they want the real deal it is waiting right here......

                                                          And yet OP still rests in the duldrums. Not every series can be DB, regardless of how many billions of light years better they might be.

                                                          I agree with the man. Stupid edits. Smart business. Kinda like in Japan.

                                                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                            And yet OP still rests in the duldrums. Not every series can be DB, regardless of how many billions of light years better they might be.

                                                            People here at Arlong Park seem to almost instinctively disregard the possibility of One Piece simply not being attractive to American audiences; 4Kids is almost always chewed out as a scapegoat. I'm not saying such rancor is undeserved or undirected, but even with a proper media outlet like Cartoon Network, I'm not sure of One Piece reaching the heavens that Dragonball has and Naruto will. My evidence against this is "Shaman King", which, back in 2001, what projected to be "the next Pokemon". I

                                                            Not only was Shaman King handled by the same production company that worked with Pokemon, it recieved one of the best dubs for a 4Kids animated feature, was relatively uncut in terms of violent content, featured unedited guns, acknowledged death and even had some cursing. By comparison, the One Piece dub looks retarded.

                                                            But, despite all of that, including an uncut DVD, Shaman King was not the runaway success Pokemon was. I can imagine 4Kids' frustration; these exact same "can't miss" elements are what prompted Disney to fund Treasure Planet, a heavily promoted cartoon that effectively killed the Disney 2D animation studio.

                                                            If One Piece was truely destined to become as huge a phenomenon in America as it is in Japan, the dub would have the popularity of Naruto despite the horrible edits (Dragonball Z, anyone). As of right now, people cannot be sure if OP's popularity is because of Cartoon Network or OP's own story; I'm personally more partisan to the former because the "live action" movies on CN pulled in a massive audience, and manga sales for OP are poor, or at least, in comparison to lesser manga like Bleach and Naruto.

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                                                              If One Piece was truely destined to become as huge a phenomenon in America as it is in Japan, the dub would have the popularity of Naruto despite the horrible edits (Dragonball Z, anyone).

                                                              Exactly. It's clear that the series has gained some fans with the entire Arlong Park arc but OP has and never will be an all-out knock-down drag-out badass battle and action series with wicked character designs. Naruto can offer that in spades. I may not read it, but it has some AWESOME designs and that bone-fighting guy is one of the COOLEST villains I've ever seen. OP just can't compete with that. And it shouldn't. OP has more heart than all of them combined and its clear than many Japanese action animation fans here just don't have the patience for that. Which makes many of Al's statements all the more accurate.

                                                              No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                But, despite all of that, including an uncut DVD, Shaman King was not the runaway success Pokemon was. I can imagine 4Kids' frustration; these exact same "can't miss" elements are what prompted Disney to fund Treasure Planet, a heavily promoted cartoon that effectively killed the Disney 2D animation studio.

                                                                SK had other problems. It was a lot less accessible than Pokemon IMO– no cute cuddly creatures, and the plot actually moved (Pokemon with few exceptions can be enjoyed quite fine completely out of order)

                                                                I thought Home on the Range killed Disney's animation...

                                                                If One Piece was truely destined to become as huge a phenomenon in America as it is in Japan, the dub would have the popularity of Naruto despite the horrible edits (Dragonball Z, anyone).

                                                                Sorry, thanks for playing.

                                                                Dragonball Z had a poor dub, but it also had the advantadge of being very early in the dub game. It was one of the first series that was imported to the west as "it's anime and we all know it is anime", as opposed to being "it's cheaper to redub an anime and pass it off inside a line of western series." It also arrived in a relatively barren era for western series; I recall watching DBZ shortly after the end of Gargoyles and before the rise of Beast Wars.

                                                                People's expectations have changed, significantly. We have far higher quality dubs on the market to compare to.

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                                                                  SK had other problems. It was a lot less accessible than Pokemon IMO– no cute cuddly creatures, and the plot actually moved (Pokemon with few exceptions can be enjoyed quite fine completely out of order)

                                                                  Yu-Gi-Oh is exactly the same. Shaman King, despite having a disappointing Anime adaption and a sawed-off ending to the manga, is a superior shounen manga to YGO.

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                                                                  I thought Home on the Range killed Disney's animation…

                                                                  Home on the Range was simply Disney's last 2D film; it was cheap and it was cracky. Disney coughed out HotR without much adversiting because they were still reeling from Treasure Planet, which was a huge investment for the company and was heavily advertised. Disney even had to restart their quarterly earnings after TP tanked. Brother Bear was another disposable show, but it actually made a profit and helped heal the damage from TP. However, when TP bombed at the box office, Disney decided that children today do not really care about traditionally animated features, and as such, they started the Disney 3D division that supplemented Pixar.

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                                                                  Sorry, thanks for playing.

                                                                  Dragonball Z had a poor dub, but it also had the advantadge of being very early in the dub game. It was one of the first series that was imported to the west as "it's anime and we all know it is anime", as opposed to being "it's cheaper to redub an anime and pass it off inside a line of western series." It also arrived in a relatively barren era for western series; I recall watching DBZ shortly after the end of Gargoyles and before the rise of Beast Wars.

                                                                  People's expectations have changed, significantly. We have far higher quality dubs on the market to compare to.

                                                                  I disagree. I distinctly remember Moltar on Toonami circa 1997 stating that he was importing "the latest in Japanimation". At that time, Toonami was boasting Voltron, Battle of the Planets (which I knew as "G-Force", something I think was called "Night of the Vampire Robots" which scared me half to death simply by watching the commercials, Thundercats (which isn't Anime), The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest (which was a nice series), and Robotech.

                                                                  The issue with Dragonball is that it didn't look entirely foreign or Japanese, unlike Sailor Moon and Pokemon (wow, those three shows look oddly complementary in a sentence together). I was attracted to it because it was intense and people could shoot lasers out of their hands, sense power levels and such. The "Saiyan Armour" looked cool, as did the scouters and tails. Then, of course, there were the Dragonballs and the red-eyed Shenron, not to mention the various dinosaurs, talking animals and oozaru rampaging all over the place. Ahh…the memories!

                                                                  Then I started watching DBZ in Japanese alongside The Irresponsible Captain Tylor on the International Channel circa Sundays at seven. Oh, oh, oh…I miss those bygone days.

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