Chapter 407 "Monster" Discussion

[tekko]

@PureAuthor:

Sanji's bounty envy has been a running gag throughout the series.

I think, plotwise, it makes perfect sense that he's going to get among the lowest bounties (certainly lower than Zoro's).

And of course, the ultimate insult would be Sogeking getter a higher bounty than him. ^_^

HaHAHa I woud love to see that ,made me laugh just to think of ^o^.

About Calipha and Namy I still doubt that Namy can win ,The Cp9ners are just too Strong ,it's too unreal to think that a person with no phisical streng could beat a cp9ner, I think she will build a team either with Franky ,sanji or even with Ussop….

[sabret00the]

@RichardMcJew:

We see what the effects of having Sanji down and out are having. Already he's being lumped with the weakest of the Strawhats, and now Usopp is taking his place as one of the top fighters? That just…. seems weird to me and out of character. Somehow, I don't think that's what Oda intends to do at all as everything he's built up for both characters would have been for naught. I think I'm with those who hope Sanji ends up fighting Jyabura in the end. Even though some (mostly Usopp fans) are saying they'd be pissed if Sanji "steals" Usopp's fight (some might argue if it was ever Usopp's fight to begin with?), but for me, this sudden role reversal pisses me off more. And I think the idea of having a person who was jumped and beaten by a bunch of no-names back in W7 suddenly defeat one of the top fighters in CP9 kind of pisses me off as well as there's an air of unbelievability about it even within the fantastic world of One Piece. But if it does happen, I guess it's something I'll just have to deal with if I'm to continue reading the manga.

Anyways I think Usopp will end up bringing all the keys to Luffy (someone has to do this), which leaves Jyabura to be taken care of by Sanji. Usopp still needs to interact with Luffy and reform their bonds, so there's a good chance of this happening.

very good post.

[Kokolores]

@tekko:

HaHAHa I woud love to see that ,made me laugh just to think of ^o^.

About Calipha and Namy I still doubt that Namy can win ,The Cp9ners are just too Strong ,it's too unreal to think that a person with no phisical streng could beat a cp9ner, I think she will build a team either with Franky ,sanji or even with Ussop….

your mistake is to assume that realism has any place in one piece. Nami can and will beat Calipha. She doesn't need any superhuman powers like Luffy and the rest of them she's got her smarts and the perfect climatact which is enough. Don't forget against her attacks the patented CP9 defences don't work and as was demonstrated in just this chapter she's got the tactical skills to make them work. Of course the fight is far from over and I'm sure next chapter we'll find out that her attack made next to no damage but that's the same as it was with Chopper's, Franky's and Luffy's first attack.

[olorin]

@onemoment:

Even if he fights Jyabura, people with be like, "He beat up Jyabura even after that beating from Calipha!"

And that is where you are gravely mistaken. Let's say Sanji recovers and joins in the fight (things like that happen all the time). Let's say we get a team up Zoro,Sogeking,Sanji vs Kaku,Jabura and all three of them fight equally far beyond their limits, and Usopp can protect both Zoro and Sanji for a change and we see the power of true teamwork against Kaku and Jabura who would rather kill each other. Then this whole thing will be so awesome and plausible and satisfying that nobody can find anything to complain about. That is Odas power.

I'll say it again. You guys are all far too negative. Why are you sulking about an uncertain future? Just enjoy this incredible story and trust in Oda to put things together.

[dasher232]

Lol for goodness sake why are so many people pitting the strawhats against eachother?. For one thing sanji doesn't need to fight anyone to prove he's stronger than some of his members. The running theme in one piece is fighting for your friends (nakama) and sanji has done that enough especially for nami. So for once the girl is actually stepping up to the plate to fight for him (she even has a little talk to him about how his principes land him in trouble). Same goes for ussopp (why the hell does sanji need to take on jayabura?) ussopp has like nami been saved a lot of time by his crew members this is his time to prove his worth and for his nakama (robin). Again same with chopper his motivation to transform and risk his life doing so is to defeat his opponent to make it easier to rescue her. And unlike the cp9 there isn't an official rank table for the mugiwara's because I believe all of their strength is paromount and has no bounds. Therefore none is better than the other they work for EACH OTHER. Phew that over hope i made my point:happy: .

[Voodzik]

@Monkey:

It's more about Sanji getting a fight than about Sogeking losing his. Sanji fans (including myself) are worried that Sanji won't get a chance to shine in these battles, and Jabura just seems perfect for Sanji, since he has the same rivalry with Kaku as Sanji does with Zoro.

Just take a look at what a lot of people are saying already, about Sanji now being the weakest Strawhat and getting the lowest bounty (btw, you guys keep exaggerating your numbers, I doubt any bounty will surpass the 200 millions). People have been doubting Sanji's strength for a while now.

That said, I would still prefer to see Usopp beating Jabs, I'm really interested as to what Kabuto can do. A tag team with Zoro would be great, too.

I am learning something lately: Sanji fans are whiners. Com one seeriously, for like a dozen chapters in a row on the sea train this manga was practically renamed "SANJI! THE PIRATE COOK!" He's HAD his moment too shine. He's had five peoples moment to shine. That said, thanks to monkey spirit for being the only sanji fan so far to even take Usopp's development into consideration.

@Monkey:

And please stop doubting that Nami will be mopping the floor with Calipha in a few chapters. If Usopp can have his battles, so can Nami. Like I said before, she's an rpg mage, physically weak but with one of the highest damage potentials, rivalling a Logia. I hope we'll see her use more defensive spells like Mirage Tempo next chapter, she seems to have her strategy planned out already; we're in for more sneaky tactics, like the Thunderbolt Tempo trap.

I agree here. Low level characters need important fights or it just ends up being DBZ.

[Aldrich]

@paptschik:

First of all…that ain't role reversal. It's not like Usopp was the weak one and Sanji strong and now it's different. The point is, that ALL the strawhats are strong. And Oda has to prove so, that's also why Nami's and Chopper's fights are quite important - to show that it ain't just "THE LUFFY-ZORO-SANJI-SUPER-FIGHTING SHOW! Now featuring the weak side characters Usopp, Nami and Chopper".
And the fact that Usopp was beaten back in W7 already IS unbelieveable. I mean...if he would have used half of the attacks he used against Luffy, he alone could have destroyed the whole FF home. And Nami and Chopper alone would also be able to do so.
Why not be happy, that Oda happens to give ALL the main characters their great moments? I mean...I love Bleach and Naruto, but if there is one thing that annoys me, it's the fact that we only see Ichigo/Renji/Rukia/Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura act and fight all the time, while other important (or at least popular) characters are ignored. Oda doesn't do that. Oda doesn't say "alright, let's make Zoro, Sanji and Luffy even stronger, let them blow up the planet...and what about Usopp, Nami and Chopper? Meh, they will watch while the almighty 3 save Robin." Oda actually treats the characters (and thus their fans) with dignity - even those characters the majority of people might consider "lame" (like Usopp).

+1. Seriously, my thoughts exactly, except it's better written than anything I'd come up with.

@Roman:

'bout Sanji… Remember Luffy got wasted by Ao Kiji and Zoro humiliated by Mihawk? I feel something similar will happen to Sanji pretty soon. A very strong guy who will be Sanji's ultimate opponent in the end will make an appearance. What if that opponent is Aka Inu? He was briefly introduced in Robin's flashback and we know a boat is coming to get Robin and Spandam. What if he's onboard? It's important enough to send an admiral. Luffy being busy with Lucci, s.o else will have to free Robin (who will probably take out Spandam herself, like Nami did with Nezumi). It has to be Sanji (the whole prince saving the princess thing).

It's because Jyabura wears martial artist clothing style that his current match up is weird. A sniper (long-range) vs a martial artist (close-range) doesn't make sense. I hope Oda won't change that match-up now that he started it, as Sogeking really needs this now, but Sanji needs a big fight somehow. He hasn't had an important 1v1 since Mr.2. Even if it means another defeat against a too powerful guy (whether from Marine, WG, 3rd group, bounty hunter or some pirate).

I like this idea… But not for that arc. Seriously, I don't know who was previously talking about unbelievability even for the world of One Piece, well a Strawhat taking on one of the most powerful fighters of the entire world a few days after getting their asses handed to them by his counterpart would seem really far fetched. Same thing with them dealing with a Buster Call and 5 Vice-Admirals just after fighting against the CP9, that's just too much for them to handle.

Now I do thing a Akainu vs Sanji fight would be awesome. They seem to be polar opposites in their convictions, as Sanji is Mr Kishido and wouldn't break his own rules even to fulfill his dream while Akainu is a ruthless bastard who'd kill everybody, children and women included, if they don't fit with his view of Justice, Good and Evil. And I see Akainu as being far more willing to kill Robin than Aokiji, so that would also give Sanji a good reason to fight the Mad Dog.

But not until the end of the manga, where all Strawhats would have proved that they can take on and defeat the most powerful fighters in the world, Shichibukais and high ranked Marine officers included, which is not the case yet.

[COWMAKAZE]

@Voodzik:

I am learning something lately: Sanji fans are whiners. Com one seeriously, for like a dozen chapters in a row on the sea train this manga was practically renamed "SANJI! THE PIRATE COOK!" He's HAD his moment too shine. He's had five peoples moment to shine. That said, thanks to monkey spirit for being the only sanji fan so far to even take Usopp's development into consideration.

So did Franky, and he got a huge fight with Fukuro, and he just said in this chapter now that he's going to look for Calipha. He isn't done yet. Besides, Sanji did near nothing in Water 7, so that's really just like payback. That said, I do NOT want Sanji to take Usopp's fight. That's a ridiculous idea because if that were the case Usopp would still think he was too weak for the Strawhats and let them go. He needs win this fight, definitely. However, that doesn't mean Sanji can't fight too. Think about it: Sanji just got his arse handed to him on a silver platter. He is fully paralyzed, so even in a little bit he'll still be partially paralyzed. Usopp and Zoro are handcuffed when they both need two hands to fight. Sanji at this point counts as maybe 2/3 of a person, and I'd say Usopp and Zoro are the same as well. That adds up to 2 people. 2 VS 2 sounds good to me.

What could happen is Sanji could fight Jyabura and Zoro could fight Kaku while Usopp does the "running away" schtick that he does every fight (NOT an insult. This makes Usopp a realistic character and it's one of my favorite points about him. I mean, after all, I would do that, you would do that, everyone would do that. Plus, he's done it every single fight to date, and if he dumped it now there would be no room for development in the future.). Of course, he can't run so he's dazed and confused. Sanji and Zoro fight, and begin to lose. The tides are turning, and they both get knocked down. As they're knocked down, Usopp realizes he must do something, so he whips out Bokuto and starts wailing on Kaku and Jyabura. Of course, when Zoro and Sanji get up a few minutes later because hey couldn't see this, they don't believe Usopp because he's a liar. Then they all do one huge triple-tech and knock the two out. This way, Usopp is developed, Zoro still has never lost a fight to a swordsman, and Sanji isn't just dead weight.

This is an arc about people making huge strides in power. And until Sanji makes one, I'm expecting more action, goddammit. It's great that Usopp, Chopper, and Nami are getting way stronger, and this is not sarcasm. It's incredible! I'm really happy, because until now it really felt like those fights didn't matter. And it's great that the line between powerhouse and weakling is getting vaguer. However, that doesn't mean that in order to do that we need to dump Sanji and let him get left behind - I might agree with this if Zoro did the same, but he isn't, and that rivalry would suck if Sanji was really weak and Zoro could kill him without thinking about it.

But, in the end, Omae is right: Oda has never let us down before. Even if we're bummed out one arc, he makes it up in the next one. And those who said not to complain and just be thankful we have a chapter are right as well. We will be amazed. Eventually. And it will make up for Skypeia and Water 7 combined. After all, when you rearrange the letters, Oda is 2/3 God.

[Solid]

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[Voodzik]

@COWMAKAZE:

So did Franky, and he got a huge fight with Fukuro, and he just said in this chapter now that he's going to look for Calipha. He isn't done yet. Besides, Sanji did near nothing in Water 7, so that's really just like payback. That said, I do NOT want Sanji to take Usopp's fight. That's a ridiculous idea because if that were the case Usopp would still think he was too weak for the Strawhats and let them go. He needs win this fight, definitely. However, that doesn't mean Sanji can't fight too. Think about it: Sanji just got his arse handed to him on a silver platter. He is fully paralyzed, so even in a little bit he'll still be partially paralyzed. Usopp and Zoro are handcuffed when they both need two hands to fight. Sanji at this point counts as maybe 2/3 of a person, and I'd say Usopp and Zoro are the same as well. That adds up to 2 people. 2 VS 2 sounds good to me.

What could happen is Sanji could fight Jyabura and Zoro could fight Kaku while Usopp does the "running away" schtick that he does every fight (NOT an insult. This makes Usopp a realistic character and it's one of my favorite points about him. I mean, after all, I would do that, you would do that, everyone would do that. Plus, he's done it every single fight to date, and if he dumped it now there would be no room for development in the future.). Of course, he can't run so he's dazed and confused. Sanji and Zoro fight, and begin to lose. The tides are turning, and they both get knocked down. As they're knocked down, Usopp realizes he must do something, so he whips out Bokuto and starts wailing on Kaku and Jyabura. Of course, when Zoro and Sanji get up a few minutes later because hey couldn't see this, they don't believe Usopp because he's a liar. Then they all do one huge triple-tech and knock the two out. This way, Usopp is developed, Zoro still has never lost a fight to a swordsman, and Sanji isn't just dead weight.

You mean…..you want to prove that Usopp can't win unless strong people help him?:blink:

Thinke before you speak, dude.

[COWMAKAZE]

@Voodzik:

You mean…..you want to prove that Usopp can't win unless strong people help him?:blink:

Thinke before you speak, dude.

No, no, no, not my point at all. Maybe I said it wrong - I was typing kind of fast. Did I forget to say that he and Zoro are still handcuffed? Because in that hypothesis, they are. A slingshot uses two hands to utilize. However, he could probably use his mouth, so that it's not no power at all - more like 2/3 of his normal amount (accuracy, anyway). And Zoro would hve to use two swords, not one, and that's literally 2/3. Sanji is parlyzed and injured. That's probably 2/3 power OR LESS. 2/3 + 2/3 + 2/3 = 2. 2 VS 2. It's a fair fight. Besides, did you miss the part where I said he owns Jyabura and Kaku ON HIS OWN for several minutes while Sanji and Zoro are knocked cold? That in no way makes Usopp weak. In fact, I think I made him too strong, considering he's taking out two fighters simultaneously that Zoro and Sanji couldn't take out on their own. I don't want Zoro and Sanji to fight Jyabura, I want them to fight Jyabura and Kaku. Besides, Usopp came out in the end, didn't he? I'm sorry if it seemed I was selling Usopp short, but in fact I was trying to do the exact opposite.

Oh, by the way, if you're just going to sell me off as another "whiny Sanji fan", think about this: Usopp is probably my second favorite Strawhat assuming Franky joins. Making him my favorite as of now. So please take me seriously, or else I can't take you seriously, OK?

[Voodzik]

@COWMAKAZE:

Oh, by the way, if you're just going to sell me off as another "whiny Sanji fan", think about this: Usopp is probably my second favorite Strawhat assuming Franky joins. Making him my favorite as of now. So please take me seriously, or else I can't take you seriously, OK?

Fair, but you still sound like you're trying to sacrifice Usopp's development on Sanji's altar.

[goty]

@COWMAKAZE:

However, that doesn't mean that in order to do that we need to dump Sanji and let him get left behind - I might agree with this if Zoro did the same, but he isn't, and that rivalry would suck if Sanji was really weak and Zoro could kill him without thinking about it.

Good post, that's EXACLTY what i'd hate to see. Zoro is my favorite character and that's why would be sucky if Sanji were that much behind him, their rivalry (one of the stronger points inside Strawhats interaction IMO) would be totally pointless and nonsense. Someone said "Sanji's bounty is a running gag", I disagree, the real running gag is their endless change of insults and how they can get jealous of each other.
About the "unable to fight" condition, in One Piece world we did see half dead characters get up to fight again (Luffy and Usopp in Little Garden?), so shouldn't be a problem.

[d.Lughie]

Actually, I see no point in arguing who is stronger than who. LoL

They are bound to get stronger and stronger arc after arc to protect each other. People are actually to overreacting about Ussop and Sanji fighting Jyabura, I personally prefer ussop to fight because he needs to fight. However, if sanji turns out to be the fighter I've got no problem with that. Because their main point objective is to rescue Robin, not to prove who is stronger than who.

Moreover, even if Ussop doesn't have a fight he had proven to be one of the Bad-Ass as he had persuade the Giants (Kashi and Oimo) to fight alongside them and he had BURN the WG flag; now he's the enemy of 170 nation!!!! :laugh:

[olorin]

@Voodzik:

thanks to monkey spirit for being the only sanji fan so far to even take Usopp's development into consideration.

You are the one, who don't fully consider Usopps development.
Him fighting Jabura alone would be awesome, yes, just like Kuma vs Choppy and Calipha vs Nami, but that's not nearly enough! Usopp can shine most in front of the others.
Usopp deserves to fight Kaku for what he did to Merry and for his taunts.
Usopp deserves to fight together with Zoro and Sanji to show that he can fight on equal level like them and that he doesn't need anyone to look out for him.
Usopp deserves to fight both Kaku and Jabura on his own and rescue
Zoro and Sanji from certain doom.(as Usopp would call it )
Usopp deserves to see Zoros and Sanjis stunned faces when he reveals his true powers.
A team up Zoro,SogeKing,Sanji vs Kaku,Jabura gives all three of them opportunities to develop beyond imagination and put on some mighty show.
I know, it's unusual for Zoro and Sanji to fight in a team,
but Usopp deserves an exception in this arc.

[Deicide]

Sanji fans, don't get me wrong, this is just my opinion, and I do want to see Sanji shine like everyone here, and I am 100% sure that Sanji will still shine. Like I said in previous chapter threads and in the Chopper development thread, this is the arc where every single Strawhat evolves to his "next level". Luffy is becoming one of the top pirates of the world. Nami got her perfect Climatact. Usopp becomes Sogeking. Chopper shows how serious he can fight and becomes a monster. Now Sanji…

...well, Sanji has not reached his next level yet, but I am sure he will before this arc ends.

I don't like the idea of Blueno returning for Sanji to fight, because that would downgrade Sanji morally. Blueno was defeated. To make Sanji fight him is to give some him some second-grade opponent that has no more purpose in this arc.

I don't like the idea of Sanji taking out Jabura, because I want to see Usopp shine too. He did not become Sogeking and get a superweapon for nothing. Of course, Sanji may still fight Jabura, and if Oda does that I will like it, but not as much as I would like to see Sogeking taking Jabura out. Also, if Sanji fights Jabura, than Sanji won't surpass his weakness, and that is a sad thing.

That's why my favorite prediction is that Sanji will act as a love shield for Nami. These are the lines I wrote in this same thread:

I am imagining some scene like this: Nami hits and hurts Calipha, and will own her for some time, but then Calipha gets angry and uses all her abilities: Thorn Whip, Rokushiki and Devil Fruit. Nami will be losing, barely able to escape the attacks, and Sanji will see that. A mini-Flashback (like Chopper's or Zoro's on Mr. 1 fight) follows, with Zeff telling something of importance to Sanji and how he must treat the ladies. Sanji notices that he has not still surpasses Red-Leg Zeff's skills, and then charge forth, blocking Calipha's final attack against Nami. We then see Sanji "fighting" Calipha, by deflecting her blows and landing unharmful hits that knock her down or throw her away.

Sanji would also show new abilities with his feet, like climbing walls with kicks (leaving footprints in walls and the roof) or kicking the air to produce waves that knockdown or throw away the opponent. This way, Sanji can have his development and new abilities without the need to really fight a woman.

Then finally Nami recovers and she and Sanji use a final combo attack against Calipha, defeating her. That would be a nice chapter.

Well, I think that fighting with new moves and techniques while unable to hurt your enemy, but still owning him, would be perfect as a way for Sanji to both overcome his weakness and reach his "next level". I know very little of you will agree to me, and there's also the moral problem of Nami getting help, but Nami (and to a lesser extent, Chopper) is the only Strawhat I am comfortable with not being an overpowered warrior.

[game2005]

Tell me: Did anyone complain when Sanji didn't have a big fight in Skypiea arc? Not counting Satori because he is teamed up with Luffy in that fight.

[Deicide]

Tell me: Did anyone complain when Sanji didn't have a big fight in Skypiea arc? Not counting Satori because he is teamed up with Luffy in that fight.

Skypiea was different. In Skypiea, the pirates were adventuring. It was not a fight to prove something like now. In the current arc, the Strawhats are evolving. Sanji being left behind would be a poor choice. That's why is different. For example, Sanji got similar problems in Skypiea (not fighting, was defeated quickly by Enel/Eneru), Little Garden (was away from the entire fight), Water 7 (he disappeared while trying to find Robin) and Drum (got his back hurt and Kureha did not let him fight). None of those moments really angered me, because later all of these defeats would result in very cool moments, like Sanji saving Nami and Usopp from Enel (Skypiea), saving everyone from Crocodile (since no BW agent knew him back then) or fighting in the Sea Train (since he got missing in W7).

So, I think the big problem with the current situation is the suspense. People are worried that Sanji will not get a "big moment". I am 100% sure Oda will give him something big to do, I just don't know what.

[emlan]

@Deicide:

Skypiea was different. In Skypiea, the pirates were adventuring. It was not a fight to prove something like now. In the current arc, the Strawhats are evolving. blahblahetc

What are they "proving"? Right now they are here to save Robin, not to see who is stronger than who.

[Deicide]

They are proving their very unity. The entire W7 arc was about unity. Robin abandoned them, Usopp quit, Sanji disappeared. I remember a line of one of them talking about how the group was fragile at that point. We all remember how gloom the story became in W7. Then we are seeing them struggling for a friend, but this is also the reaffirmation of their unity. They are fighting for something greater than gold or to become strong.

EDIT: Just to add a point, remember what Zoro said: "Even if you die, you must win".

[olorin]

@emlan:

What are they "proving"? Right now they are here to save Robin, not to see who is stronger than who.

No I agree with Deicide. They don't want to prove who is stronger, but that they can withstand and fight the WG, all of them.

[dasher232]

I personally think oda has planned these fights and pairings out for a particulay reason. Lots of people (even myself about a week ago) seems to doubt if nami can fight kalifa, ussopp with jyabura (or kaku if they switch last minute) and before his shining moment chopper and kumadori. Ussop is still yet to fight, Nami seems to be confident (which I hope is justified) and Chopper …well seems to be ready for a rampage. And if franky does indeed come to nami's rescue I hope either A/ the fight finishes before he gets there or b/ she tells him to butt out and leave her to it because kalifa insulted her nakama's beliefs and took advantage. Same for ussop if sanji does miraculously get up and charge in to fight with zoro.
I think this arc is about to shread a lot of these mugiwara league tables to shreads.

By the way is it just me or does all of the cp9ers seem to have oddities or character traits that might end up being their downfall.

[PureAuthor]

Well, right now a supreme trait across the board of those still fighting is overconfidence (with the probable exception of Kumadori).

However:

Kaku and Jyabura: They hate each other's guts, and unlike Sanji and Zoro, I can't see them putting their squabbling aside for the sake of a goal. Heck, they even offered to help the Straw Hats just so they wouldn't have to battle together.

Califa: She has a sadistic air around her, and enjoys toying around with her (presumably) weaker foes. Odds are she's going to leave herself open sooner or later.

Kumadori: …I really think he's going to be little more than a stain on the wall come next chapter.

Lucchi: Willing to ignore everything else for the sake of a fight. (Or a kill.) Tsk.

[Onigumo]

I don't see Kaku and Jyabura hating each others guts, I see them more of having a brotherly sibling rivalry. No the two who I see hate each others guts are Jyabura and Lucchi.

[COWMAKAZE]

@Voodzik:

Fair, but you still sound like you're trying to sacrifice Usopp's development on Sanji's altar.

The fact of the matter is Usopp runs away. It's what he does. He's a coward, and he knows that more than anyone else. Will this change? Hell yes. It's his dream to become a brave warrior. Will this happen now? No. Simply because there's a lot left to One Piece, and if Usopp stopped running now he wouldn't be himself. There would be nothing left for him to do later on, no hurdles to jump, no dream to fulfill. Usopp always comes through in the end, it's what he does. However, he doesn't know this. He still thinks of himself as the coward among supermen, the weakling. Sogeking allows him to BE one of those supermen. We can't make Usopp incredibly brave or self-reliant all in one arc, he needs to be weened(sp?) in. The only way he can see himself as strong at this point is to fight among supermen as a superman, and when he comes through he will see that maybe is his better than he thought, maybe he can fight, maybe he is just as super as his friends. And when he sees this, all of his worries that he spilled to Franky will be gone and he can go back to the Strawhats. True, it could work with just Zoro, but Usopp is too self-conscious to accept it in that case, methinks. If he saves Sanji and Zoro's asses, he'll see how great he is. If it's just Zoro, there will be no asses to save. Zoro will beat Kaku and Usopp will beat Jyabura, and Usopp will assume that Jyabura was weaker or that he was distracted or SOMETHING, because people that don't believe in themselves to the extent of Usopp make excuses for everything just to prove they can't be great.

Anyway, on another random note: Anyone else think Chopzilla looked a lot like some crazy Tim Burton creation? Because first thing I thought when I saw it was Nightmare Before Christmas, especially because of the horns.

[leokeren]

for whoever that believe that sanji will join the jyabura fight,
I think you haven't realize that he has an important part to play himself.
next to the room he is in (maybe 2-3 rooms difference, but it must be very close), monster chopper went out of control. sanji will be the one stopping him from destroying the whole building.

[onemoment]

@leokeren:

for whoever that believe that sanji will join the jyabura fight,
I think you haven't realize that he has an important part to play himself.
next to the room he is in (maybe 2-3 rooms difference, but it must be very close), monster chopper went out of control. sanji will be the one stopping him from destroying the whole building.

I don't like this scenario. I personally believe that Chopper with Rumble Ball is in Sanji's league, so what kind of power up is this if Sanji beats him? What does it prove, that Chopper is always weaker than Sanji? Whoever fights this berserk Chopper after Kumadori (if anyone, I still think the rumble ball effect will run out, because it is still just a rumble ball effect) will just hold Chopper off at best. If this thing can own Kumadori its in Gear 2 level.

Frankly, I want Sanji to do something cool, but why does it have to be at another Strawhats expense? There are so many things that Sanji can do to the other CP9s in the building.

[WarcoW]

@Voodzik:

I am learning something lately: Sanji fans are whiners.

Good going with the generalization. More random insults at Sanji fans.

I've said it before and the only reason i wanted to see Sanji v jyabura was cos it would be a perfect Martial artist v Martial artist fight. This was ages ago, when Luffy was still fighting Blueno.

That said, NO, even if Sanji doesnt get a good fight I would really hate for him to steal anybody else's. I dont want him as a human shield for Nami i want to see her fight and defeat Calipha herself, I dont want to see him take on berserk chopper cos it serves no point in him beating Chopper, i dont want to see him stealing Usopp's limelight, cos Usopp needs it a much as Chopper/Nami do.
Like Omae said, the guy will get something to do later on, but he does'nt have to do it at any one else's expense.Iits very unlikely that hes down for the count.

Also, Usopp fans tend to take it rather personally when mentioning Sanji v Jyabura. And then tend to throw around insults. No really, chill a bit.

[CosmicDebris]

I find all this commotion about Sanji needing to fight someone or Usopp needing to fight someone and who deserves to fight who more really silly and pointless, personally. Oda is not going to leave someone out in the cold here, just wait and see what happens.

[lammyduck]

Well, you can kind of solve the Sanji/Zoro power dichotomy by having Chopper throwing Kumadori through a wall or ceiling, then owning Kaku and Jyabura, turnning on Zoro and SogeKing when SogeKing saves the day by throwing the seastone handcuffs on Chopper and getting invited back on the crew. Chopper gets a bounty just lower than Luffy's and Nami then gets a higher bounty than Zoro or Sanji for taking out a CP9. SogeKing also gets a higher bounty than Zoro or Sanji for torching the flag and turning the giants.

That would really shake things up and destroy the notion that Zoro or Sanji are the main fighters in the group. Power balance between Zoro and Sanji stays somewhat equal.

[Gizmo]

@lammyduck:

Well, you can kind of solve the Sanji/Zoro power dichotomy by having Chopper throwing Kumadori through a wall or ceiling, then owning Kaku and Jyabura, turnning on Zoro and SogeKing when SogeKing saves the day by throwing the seastone handcuffs on Chopper and getting invited back on the crew. Chopper gets a bounty just lower than Luffy's and Nami then gets a higher bounty than Zoro or Sanji for taking out a CP9. SogeKing also gets a higher bounty than Zoro or Sanji for torching the flag and turning the giants.

That would really shake things up and destroy the notion that Zoro or Sanji are the main fighters in the group. Power balance between Zoro and Sanji stays somewhat equal.

This could lead up to Sanji and Zoro realizing that they need to become stronger because the other guys are growing stronger every day. Its okay that the others like Nami and usopp could take them on its just that they would want to become better, especially Zoro.

[warp]

i think someone stole [insert who ever translated 407 here] 407's translation at the msn group…unless he got [member's name conseint](the member's name escapes me at the moment >>)

[WarcoW]

Don't think the Zoro/Sanji power debate has anything to do with this. Though i know that thread led to some people feeling the need to rant on Sanji on every occassion they get :happy:

@ultimateclima:

This could lead up to Sanji and Zoro realizing that they need to become stronger because the other guys are growing stronger every day. Its okay that the others like Nami and usopp could take them on its just that they would want to become better, especially Zoro.

I dont think they really care tbh. Sanji/Zoro arn't the kinda guys to really fret when one of their comrades are getting stronger than them. This isn't Naruto or Bleach ^^
In OP the SHs behave like a team. If someone gets stronger, it's for the benefit of the entire crew. Even Zoro knows that.
Usopp/Nami/Chopper getting stronger helps the SHs in far more ways than just Luffy/Sanji/Zoro getting stronger by themselves. Zoro wants to best everyone in swordsmanship and well…he is the best (only) swordsman among the SHs

[BatDan]

Can I get a short summery of the chapter so I can update the Wiki article on Enies Lobby and "maybe" Chopper's article?

[Mr. Goldenweeks]

@paptschik:

First of all…that ain't role reversal. It's not like Usopp was the weak one and Sanji strong and now it's different. The point is, that ALL the strawhats are strong. And Oda has to prove so, that's also why Nami's and Chopper's fights are quite important - to show that it ain't just "THE LUFFY-ZORO-SANJI-SUPER-FIGHTING SHOW! Now featuring the weak side characters Usopp, Nami and Chopper".
And the fact that Usopp was beaten back in W7 already IS unbelieveable. I mean...if he would have used half of the attacks he used against Luffy, he alone could have destroyed the whole FF home. And Nami and Chopper alone would also be able to do so.
Why not be happy, that Oda happens to give ALL the main characters their great moments? I mean...I love Bleach and Naruto, but if there is one thing that annoys me, it's the fact that we only see Ichigo/Renji/Rukia/Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura act and fight all the time, while other important (or at least popular) characters are ignored. Oda doesn't do that. Oda doesn't say "alright, let's make Zoro, Sanji and Luffy even stronger, let them blow up the planet...and what about Usopp, Nami and Chopper? Meh, they will watch while the almighty 3 save Robin." Oda actually treats the characters (and thus their fans) with dignity - even those characters the majority of people might consider "lame" (like Usopp).

Well said! I was thinking the same thing.

[Juicy]

@BatDan:

Can I get a short summery of the chapter so I can update the Wiki article on Enies Lobby and "maybe" Chopper's article?

Chopper vs Kumadori fight:

Chopper is being pummeled by Kumadordi's shiganing of his hair and staff and Chopper isn't helping his own cause because he ate another rumbleball too soon. This causes his seven forms to pop up at random. When Chopper's armpoint pops up he attacks Kumadori since armpoint is his strongest form. Kumadori is injured, but far from beaten. Chopper has a flashback about a "monster that destroyed a Drum Island village according to Dr. Kurehla(sp?). Apparently Chopper ate three rumbleballs over a short period of time and because of this Chopper became a terrible monster and had no control over his mind or body. (How long "Chopper" was in that state was not mentioned). Chopper then remember about the sacrifice that Robin made and with that he eats a third rumbleball (praying that none of his allies are nearby). Chopper then becomes that legendary monster (Kumadori, who is already very large, is dwarfed by Chopper's new form).

Nami vs Calipha:

Calipha is taking a bath and Nami is nearby laying down unable to move her legs. Calipha blows what appears to be towards Nami's legs (whether Calipha has some sort of bubble bubble DF that immobilizes any part of the body in which the bubbles come in contact with is not 100% certain). While Calipha is getting dressed the effects of the DF wears off. Nami then attacks Calipha with "Thunder arm, Swing Charge" as a diversion( the lighting comes out of the Perfect Climatact unlike "Thunder Tempo" and is weaker than the "Thunder Tempo). Calipha uses Soru to evade it but lands right underneath a thundercloud. Nami uses "thunder tempo" and the chapter ends there.

[d.Lughie]

and franky obtained key no 4. which makes it very likely(possible) that kalifa's key is no.2

[Ubiq]

@CosmicDebris:

I find all this commotion about Sanji needing to fight someone or Usopp needing to fight someone and who deserves to fight who more really silly and pointless, personally. Oda is not going to leave someone out in the cold here, just wait and see what happens.

Yeah, it's really only about the middle innings as far as this is going; there's still plenty of time left for Usopp and Sanji.

Even then, it seems a bit silly to complain about Sanji seeing as how we had almost an entire volume of him running around on the Puffing Tom. Usopp hasn't been having the best of luck lately, but he's really grown as a character since they left Skypiea.

[BatDan]

I've added the part about Chopper. In both Enies Lobby and Chopper's Bio.

[Malintex_Terek]

@PureAuthor:

Califa: She has a sadistic air around her, and enjoys toying around with her (presumably) weaker foes. Odds are she's going to leave herself open sooner or later.

Hey! That's the animal reference! Califa's a CAT! I know Lucci's a [leopard], but he's not about toying with his opponents; he hits 'em hard and fast. Fukurou is roughly owl shaped and is named after an owl; Kumadori has the mane of a Lion, Blueno the size, horns, and slowness of a cow.

No coincidence that Oda describes Nami's animal as a "cat" as well; perfect for a cat-fight, neh?

[COWMAKAZE]

@Malintex_Terek:

Hey! That's the animal reference! Califa's a CAT! I know Lucci's a [leopard], but he's not about toying with his opponents; he hits 'em hard and fast. Fukurou is roughly owl shaped and is named after an owl; Kumadori has the mane of a Lion, Blueno the size, horns, and slowness of a cow.

No coincidence that Oda describes Nami's animal as a "cat" as well; perfect for a cat-fight, neh?

Actually, I remember someone around here mentioning that maybe Kalipha's fruit was having the power of what she touches. Acually, holy crap, that actually works! She attacked Nami with bubbles while in a bubble bath, and turned Sanji into glass when touching her glasses! Anyway, if this were the case, she could be a chameleon, couldn't she?

[Malintex_Terek]

@COWMAKAZE:

Actually, I remember someone around here mentioning that maybe Kalipha's fruit was having the power of what she touches. Acually, holy crap, that actually works! She attacked Nami with bubbles while in a bubble bath, and turned Sanji into glass when touching her glasses! Anyway, if this were the case, she could be a chameleon, couldn't she?

Another possibility would be a bee. I've heard of "Honey Queen" and her stupid liquid-power, but Califa could cause paralysis on touch and honey could "glass over" Sanji; with her fishnets, blond hair, and secretarial job (busy as a bee), I wouldn't be surprised at that, either.

The issue with turning Sanji into glass is that he's just shiny as if he were laminated; he's not actually made of fired sand.

[Ubiq]

@Malintex_Terek:

The issue with turning Sanji into glass is that he's just shiny as if he were laminated; he's not actually made of fired sand.

Considering the bubbles and all, it might be a Soap Fruit, that or just a plain Bubble Fruit.

Oh well, we'll find out soon enough.

[stephen]

Home-doggz my script is up.
Also check the Volume 41 goodies and all at the spot.

[KatanaJon1.1]

@stephen:

Home-doggz my script is up.
Also check the Volume 41 goodies and all at the spot.

Thank you again. Been looking forward to that volume 41!

[Battle Franky]

That had to be the funniest SBS corner I've ever read. :laugh:

Thanks a bunch stephen.

[MushroomBoy]

whoo! if they don't show chopper in the next chapter, ill be mad, they did skip; luffy, zoro and usopp a few chapters, or for the most part. zoro was in the last one fer a second.

[Mog]

@stephen:

Home-doggz my script is up.
Also check the Volume 41 goodies and all at the spot.

Hooray! Honestly, your translations make Kumadori's fantastic speeches all the more glorious to read.

Thankew.

[Bizard]

Chopperrrrr! You are so…. :blink:
This is interesting chapter.:happy:

[Voodzik]

@COWMAKAZE:

Actually, I remember someone around here mentioning that maybe Kalipha's fruit was having the power of what she touches. Acually, holy crap, that actually works! She attacked Nami with bubbles while in a bubble bath, and turned Sanji into glass when touching her glasses! Anyway, if this were the case, she could be a chameleon, couldn't she?

Actually, this is the suggestion which best fits the facts with the least amount of speculation put forward so far.

EDIT: I mean, that I have heard so far.