Well since Oda stated he could beat Enel, he could probably take a few of them.
Power of Lucci compared to the Shichibukai.
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tony-kun can you give us the source for that little tidbit of information?
because lots of us dont rember oda ever saying that.
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Well since Oda stated he could beat Enel, he could probably take a few of them.
Really when did Oda say this Enel can wipe the floor with lucci.
Rob lucci could be croc Rob is fast an powerful and Rob can figure out the crocs weakness and Croc was the second strongest fighter that luffy had wich is
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Sorry, read a quote someone posted from an SBS a long time ago stating that. Have no source.
Really not that hard to believe though, with rubber gloves and all.
I mean the only reason Enel got away with what he did was because he attacked an isolated island in the sky with no way of dealing with his ability. Had he been on the blue sea, he would have been powerful, but definitely beatable.
As for schichibukai, I think he could beat croc, but as for the others, we have either seen to little to say either or, or I think they would beat him(doflamingo and mihawk)
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Would metal harm Eneru or would he only be sucked in like if it was a vacuum? I think that's the only way, besides wearing rubber gloves, that Lucci would beat Eneru, so I think what Oda meant is that if Lucci fought Eneru like Luffy did (In the maxim), then Lucci could use his strength to shatter apart the flying machine and use the parts to atack/suck/counter Eneru's electrical being. :P
And I doubt Crocodile could beat Lucci outside of a desert. Seriously, the ubberness of Crocodile came from the fact that he hid in a desert. If he was in Ennies Lobby or in the sea like any other pirate, then I bet that even Usopp could find a way to beat him. Without the desert, Crocodile's as slow as Eneru without metal to get conducted.
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Rob lucci will be able to beat the croc the only reason croc was uber powerful was because they where in the the desert.
Rob lucci cannot beat Mihawk all the cp9 could work together and still not hurt him.
As for Jinibea We do not know the way he fights or how ubber he is.
Kuma the same thing as Jinibea.
Doflomango might beat rob lucci but that is because of his DF.
Gecko moria. Rob murders him
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Kaimei: metal as a conductor wouldnt do anything to Enel. it just passes through him. just like every other non-isolator.
(im pretty sure one of the raiders jammed something metallic through his head at one point)tony: you really think rubber gloves are enough? Rob doesnt exactly have the speed advantage he has over Crocodile anymore. just how fast is soru btw? i cant imagine that its faster then lightning.
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If anything Rob lucci needs rubber all over his body to do Damage.
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I found it funny that each time people talk about crocodile they always look at the defensive aspect of his power more than his offensive aspect and at the same time look at the offensive aspect of his opponent and not his lack of defense .
While people expect lucci to know anything about croc because he works for the WG ,they seem to think that crocodile wouldn't know about lucci ( hello lucci is the strongest cp9 in cp9 history , cp9 are unknown to the public not to the WG and their agents and the warlords , even if they don't really obey are still working for the WG , that's why they are considered as "traitors" to most of the pirates ) .
When lucci use shigan , he always stay still in front of his opponent , watching them slowly dying , that alone means death in front of croc because croc just need to touch him once and more important a wet shigan wouldn't stop crocs power since the rest of his body would still be sand .
Having a weak point doesn't change the fact that a logia is still a logia .
Saying that one shigan and it's over is ridiculous considering what it took to knock him down : being punched through several layer of solid rock from underground than sent flying several meters in the sky , then fallim on his head .
That didn't killed him , that knock him out .I don't underestimate lucci because from all the opponent of luffy , he is the strongest physically since arlong , but i think that lot of people forget the scariest aspect of the logias which is not their intangibility but their elemental control .
If lucci were to fight crocodile , crocodile won't play like he did with luffy , luffy was a noob and an unknown pirate , lucci is THE cp9 , each of them would go all out from the beginning and crocodile just like lucci possess sure kill attacks .
One last thing i want to point out : if lucci were to fight gaspard ,that logia from movie 4 , he would get killed no matter how long the fight would last because gaspard weak point is not something lucci can use in direct fight without preparation and knowledge while crocodile would litterally rape gaspard because his power is the very weak point of gaspard .
Yes it's rock , paper , scissor thing .
When a character is stronger than another , it's overall stronger not stronger because of one aspect of his strength .
I've been looking at both aspects of both of them.
I'm not saying one hit soru down, but I think that he could whittle away at Croc who I doubt could touch Lucci due to Soru.
Also, nobody seems to listen when I say this but…
Lucci>Alabasta Luffy this is factual
Alabast Luffy beat Croc 120% Fact
Luffy and Lucci both have the same style of fighting (as in, they both concentrate on physical attacks with thier own bodies) factual as well.THEREFORE, Lucci>Croc
Here's my list
Crocodile - Win for Lucci (Wet his fist, and Shigan Crocodile)
Mihawk - Loss for Lucci (Even if he is quick, he'd be cut in two before he could reach Mihawk)
Doflamingo - Loss for Lucci (He could just control Lucci, and he probably has relatively strong physical skills and a good crew, so all of CP9 would be outmatched)
Kuma - Not enough Information
Gecko Moria - Win for Lucci (If Perona was with Moria, he might lose, but Lucci could kill Moria before he gets his hands on him)
Jimbei - Loss for Lucci (Jimbei has the strength of a whale shark, I bet Lucci's punches would barely hurt him, and then Jimbei could just crush him)I disagree a bit.
I say it's not enough info for both DD and Jinbei
D we son't know the full scope of his ability. It might not work on strong people or something. We just don't have enough info about him.
Jinbei, we know nothing about. Sure Jinbei means Whale shark, but that cou;d be just to throw us off. The point is, We know next to nothing about him.Also, from Lucci's personality, I don't think Perona would affect him, he's not particularly Negative or posotive.
Also, while I do belive Lucci would beat Croc, I don't think it would be quite that easy, but still not terribly difficult.
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In most Shonen manga, we have this logic:
Villain 1 < Villain 2 << Villain 3 <<<< Villain 4 <<<<<<<< Villain 5…
And so on.One amazing thing about One Piece is that this is not valid. Crocodile, Eneru and even Foxy are amazing foes. Even after defeating Lucci, I think Luffy would still have trouble defeating them (considering that he never fought them before). And we must never forget Buggy, the first big enemy who will still give Luffy some trouble in the future, or Smoker, who never fought Luffy for real until now and may be far stronger than we may believe.
Now, considering all this, we can't just think that Lucci is stronger because he comes last in the line of villains. He is stronger in martial arts, we may think, but sheer power is not enough. It is hard to say how Lucci would fare as a pirate.
hold on there mate…just hold on. Foxy was fat piece of crap with an elvis toupe...nothing amazing about his bloody noro noro fecking beam
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@Decide:
_In most Shonen manga, we have this logic:
Villain 1 < Villain 2 << Villain 3 <<<< Villain 4 <<<<<<<< Villain 5…
And so on.One amazing thing about One Piece is that this is not valid. Crocodile, Eneru and even Foxy are amazing foes. Even after defeating Lucci, I think Luffy would still have trouble defeating them (considering that he never fought them before). And we must never forget Buggy, the first big enemy who will still give Luffy some trouble in the future, or Smoker, who never fought Luffy for real until now and may be far stronger than we may believe.
Now, considering all this, we can't just think that Lucci is stronger because he comes last in the line of villains. He is stronger in martial arts, we may think, but sheer power is not enough. It is hard to say how Lucci would fare as a pirate._
The thing you have to look at though, Is that, becuase he is a martial artist like Luffy, he could beat most of the opponents that Luffy could beat. This of course doesn't include Eneru.
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Lucci's Bount would probably be 300 million. Remember, if he weren't in the WG, he'd probably massacre cities. He loves to kill and has the power to do it. His bounty would so be around 300 mil, maybe a tad less.
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you think he really would massacre cities? he didnt kil the kid and her rabbit or bother with them at all simply because he wasnt ordered too. doesnt strike me as the killing any and everything kind of guy.
I think he would be a bountyhunter going after high profile pirates just for the challange.
also everyone is commenting alot on Sorus speed. i keep finding myself thinking: "which is faster… luffy launching a ruber attack or someone launching themselves with soru?"
we know luffy in gear 2 launching his attacks is faster then soru because Lucci cant dodge that. but is normal luffy stretchpunches that much slower then soru? Does someone that can dodge Luffys pistols have any time to react at all when Lucci comes running at them? -
It's just too simple. Why is there even a debate about this?
Lucci (with water) > Crocodile.
Lucci (without water) < Crocodile
Lucci's IQ > Luffy's IQ
Meaning it's most likely that Lucci will figure out the weakness of Crocodile's logia.
Lucci > Luffy (Alabasta)
Luffy (Alabasta/ with water) > Crocodile
Meaning that in hand-to-hand combat, Lucci is far superior to Crocodile.
So really, Lucci, if prepared for battle, would defeat Crocodile. If not prepared, then he'd probably have to escape and find water, but he could be killed before that. Yet his speed may help him get away.
That's all it is.
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Luffy's battle IQ = Lucci's battle IQ
No one gives a shit if you can pass an algebra final during a fistfight.
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Except knowledge of elements isn't directly to do with battle. You don't have to be a fighter to know that water can beat sand.
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You are all thinking crocodile only needs one touch to kill Lucci but that's just not true. He tried to kill Luffy twice and was both times certain that he actually did he, but in the end luffy survived it. Even being "dried out" and Crocodile needs to get a grip of lucci and hold him for about 10 Seconds to completly dry him out. Once you get near Lucci, even when he is without his DF, he can Shigan Ouren the Hell out of you. Do you remember Shigan Ouren? The Rapid-Fire Version of Shigan he used against Luffy?
everyone but Luffy (since he is rubber) would have died from that.The only valid arguement speaking for crocodile is that he has a logia fruit, which makes his defensiv quite amazing, however it can easiely be cancled out.
As with the other Shichibukai, I believe it highly depends on the circumstances. For exampel if Donflamingo is walking in his base / ship, minding his own business and Lucci just soru-speeds at him out of nowhere and gives him the Shigan Ouren in the back, that might be pretty much it.
And also there is not enough information about DDs Devilfruit, wether or not he can really control everyone or just (considerable) weak-minded people. (Even so he did it with 2 higher-up marines, but still…).
But if he can control everyone, then his devil fruit power would be the most powerful in one piece so I kind of doubt that.
Maybe he can only control one at a time, so if the whole CP9 would gather up against him it should be no probMoria should be no problem for Lucci tho. Even with Perona, Those ghosts should not be able to get someone who dodges a Gatling from Luffy with ease, and is faster than the naked eye can register.
As for Mihawk, Lucci would lose without a doubt. Mihawk is the most powerful swordsman and can fight toe on toe with Shanks and therefore probably even whitebeard. So that should be no prob for him. Same goes for Jinbei
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Doflomango and Mihawk are the only Warlords that we know of that can beat Rob lucci.
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Doflomango and Mihawk are the only Warlords that we know of that can beat Jinibea.
When and where was this said?
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No, seriously, we know so incredibly little about Jinbei it's not even funny.
He is a Shickibukai.
He is a Fishman.
His name is Jinbei.
He was once Arlong's equal.
That's it. We also don't know shit about DD pretty much. We don't even know weather or not he has a DF power.I do think Hawkeye would pwn all of CP9 into next week, but really only Crocodile, Hawkeye, and Moria do we know wnough about to get an accurate estimate.
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No, seriously, we know so incredibly little about Jinbei it's not even funny.
He is a Shickibukai.
He is a Fishman.
His name is Jinbei.
He was once Arlong's equal.
That's it. We also don't know shit about DD pretty much. We don't even know weather or not he has a DF power.I do think Hawkeye would pwn all of CP9 into next week, but really only Crocodile, Hawkeye, and Moria do we know wnough about to get an accurate estimate.
DD Im assuming is Doflomango right?Well he has a DF power he controlls people like puppets.
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DD Im assuming is Doflomango right?Well he has a DF power he controlls people like puppets.
Where does it state that? We don't know its a DF and we don't know the ramifications of it even if it is. It might not work on strong people or something. We don;t know shit about his actuall power.
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Doflomango Could be a Hypnotist If he does not have a Df because he controlls people.
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Doflomango Could be a Hypnotist If he does not have a Df because he controlls people.
But the point is, we don't know. So Not enough info to compare him to someone else.
Also, to be a hypnotist, he would've had to actually do the hypnotizing, he just, puppeted them. -
Hey its a manga Doflomango could do anything and its Fantasy not everything needs a logical explanation.
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Well.. long time no jump in..
I'm sick of how this" Villain1 <villain2,villain3.. so="" on"="" logic="" affect="" in="" shonen="" manga,="" which="" isn't="" working="" op..<br="">True, Lucci with his uber-physical could pwn most of ppl.. But comparing to Shichibukai.. he is nowhere..Shichibukai.. Their name must be mean something over CP9 "the most powerful agent in history".. Dude, it's like comparing "College student(economic), him being feed by his parent" to" someone whose established himself in the society(millionaire), feeding hundred/thousand of people"..
Even for Croc, Lucci a bit lower.. The Logia is element itself.. If they're fighting at neutral field, Croc could easily turn the field into Desert.. Camouflage himself in sand and slowly drain him as Lucci stand, or suddenly apper from nowhere, launching deadly strike.. Remember, Croc bounty "AT LEAST" double than before. AT LEAT mean "minimum", he could be 160M, 200M, even 500M.. depending the situation..
And Moria, next "looser".. We don't know much of him, but his lazyness.. Moria is a promising fighter by his unique DF, cloning himself, which his clone like logia type. Giving hardnesses for Lucci to getting near him, in the some time Moria could strike Lucci..
So on with other Shichibukai.. Lucci is nowhere..</villain2,villain3..>
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THEREFORE, Lucci>Croc
An Empty boast, Lucci doesn't have the skill nor power to realize. Crocodile would kill Lucci.
Lucci can NOT beat a World power member there is a reason why he is just CP9.
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An Empty boast, Lucci doesn't have the skill nor power to realize. Crocodile would kill Lucci.
Lucci can NOT beat a World power member there is a reason why he is just CP9.
you make no sense. oh and thanks for getting the Naruto thread closed for a few days.
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What he is saying is that the 7 warlords ,the marine and the yonkou has been stated to be equal world powers.
The marines is a vastly larger organisation then any of the other 2 powers.
Unrivaled finds it unlikely that some middle ranked Assasin like Lucci would be able to take out a shichibukai, that would offset the whole balance in the world and probably have no need for the shichibukai.This ofc relys on the fact that Shichibuka = Marines = Yonkou and not S+M=Y (and Ocean assures us that it is the first case)
Hope i got that right. otherwise feel free to correct me unrivaled.
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I don't think he can beat any of the shichibukai, not Crocodile either, definitely! :p
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If Lucci had a fight against each Shichibukai starting from full health each time, it's not inconceivable that he could have a chance of beating at least Crocodile. He's extremely fast and able to take a lot of damage, plus he has a shrewd mind when he's not indulging in his bloodlust. A guy who had only half his "raw physical ability" (power level) kicked a large tower in two pieces. If Lucci keeps jumping around with Geppou and Soru, Croc will have a hard time dragging him down into quicksand or even getting a single hit in. Of course the arena for the fights has to be considered too. In Alabasta, Croc had an unnatural advantage from all the sand. In neutral ground the sand Logia shouldn't be nearly as strong.
The difference between the CP9 and rogue pirates seems to be discipline and versatility. The CP9 was lacking in their fighting skill because they were so physically oriented, and that was the only thing they had been trained in through their lives. That's a major weakness that any Logia user would be happy to abuse. But thinking about it… Lucci was an assassin, so what are the chances of him assassinating DF users? He should be well versed in different fruit types if it was so.
Luffy has had some heavy luck involved in his matches, but he's won most of the time. Rubber ability is a somewhat simple skill, relying on physical contact to deliver damage. Still he managed to beat several Logia users, even while logics suggest he too should have been one-shotted.
Although, the Eneru fight can't really be counted, since there wouldn't be many people in the OP world with even a fleeting chance against him. Luffy had something of a miraculous luck with having a way to nullify his attacks. Who else could survive 200 million volts and still manage to invent some way to block it?
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The Lucci vs Crocodile thing is sorted. Why debate over it? Why? I know… because there's always an idiot like Unrivaled or that new guy that bumps threads piling their shit into each thread they visit.
Those kind of people don't give a shit about how much good, solid proof you throw at them... they believe one thing (the wrong thing). So it's best just to ignore them. That is when a debate truly ends, instead of going around in fucking circles.
It's okay to debate about Lucci vs any other. I see it like this;
Lucci > Kuma (mere speculation on my part... haven't seen enough of Kuma. I think Kuma will not be a main villian though, so I class him a little weaker than Lucci).
Donflamingo > Lucci (I choose to ignore Donflamingo's bounty. I think he was probably the first Shichibukai, and had his bounty stalled a long time ago. I think he's gotten a lot stronger since. For all we know, he could have gained the DF power after his bounty was stalled.)
Lucci > Moria (Tough one... again, little to work on... but I think Luffy will have an easier time against Moria. Moria seems to damn lazy to have improved after joining the Shichibukai. He also looks the type to be beaten by immense speed).
Mihawk > Lucci (No contest).
Jinbei > Lucci (Again, speculation, but I'm just going by what I want to happen... and that is that Jinbei will be a total BAD-ASS MOFUCKER).
Unknown Member > Lucci (A wild guess... it seems that this unknwon member wont show up any time soon, so will be introduced when Luffy gets even stronger. That's why I think this Shichibukai will be strong, because it appears later on).
Blackbeard >>>>>> Lucci!!!!
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If Lucci keeps jumping around with Geppou and Soru, Croc will have a hard time dragging him down into quicksand or even getting a single hit in. Of course the arena for the fights has to be considered too. In Alabasta, Croc had an unnatural advantage from all the sand. In neutral ground the sand Logia shouldn't be nearly as strong.
Critics: Have you read Croc vs Luffy chapter? Where he turn neutral field/ upper building into desert?..
This could happen if he fight Lucci.. No matter where they'll fight.. From the beginning, Croc could change the battlefield into desert.. Camouflage himself in sand ,just wait n' see the best chance to strike Lucci down.. Slowly drain Lucci as he stand, or suddenly appear from nowhere.. -
The marines is a vastly larger organisation then any of the other 2 powers.
Unrivaled finds it unlikely that some middle ranked Assasin like Lucci would be able to take out a shichibukai, that would offset the whole balance in the world and probably have no need for the shichibukai.CP9 is not a part of the marines, it's a part of the world government and even the Buster Call Vize-Admirals think that Lucci is a legend of some sort, so that speaks for him. (I believe they said he is the only one who could survive a buster call)
And I still don't get how anyone could argue with the simpel fact that Alabasta Luffy was able to defeat crocodile, ergo Lucci would be able to kick crocodiles ass so much more.All that logia argueing is irrelevent, since Croc needs time to do this drying out stuff and "turning the whole fighting spot into a desert", its more than enough time for lucci to deadly strike him.
As Lucci stated once, as he was about to "Shigan" into Luffys Neck. "If you had a normal body you would have died from that hole, Rubberman". Meaning, if he could land even a single shigan in one opponents neck, it would be over.
Logia fruits are far more effectiv against a massiv amount of enemies, they are, if you will, Fruits of Mass Destruction. But one on one they are not as good as everyone thinks, espacially not if someone knows how to cancle the DF out. -
And I still don't get how anyone could argue with the simpel fact that Alabasta Luffy was able to defeat crocodile, ergo Lucci would be able to kick crocodiles ass so much more.
Simply because Lucci isnt Luffy. people claim their fightingstiles is similar but they dont fight the same way even though they are both "martial artists".
Luffy lost twice to Croc and survived because of luck and circumstances.
Luffy has alot more resolve then Lucci does, arguebly Luccis pure strenght makes up for that.What if Crocodile just says "Fuck it" and sandstorms everything? what if he escapes and makes up plans on how to take Lucci out and waits for Lucci to fall in some kind of trap? Sounds to me more like something Croc would do then just face a potentially strong enemy head on.
Luffy was some kind of upstart pirate that challanged a shichibukai. Personally i think croc underestimated him and lost out bigtime on preperation and planning, which is Crocs strong point.
(BTW: the part where Luffy crashed into smoker that crashed into Ace was anime only right? is that considered proof that Logias need to turn elemental on their own? If so does Crocs sandstorm attack that drains the moisture out of those pig pirates count as well?)
(Please note how im not even argueing that someone would win as i think its pointless. too many unknown factors to decide)
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Logia fruits are far more effectiv against a massiv amount of enemies, they are, if you will, Fruits of Mass Destruction. But one on one they are not as good as everyone thinks, espacially not if someone knows how to cancle the DF out** @Zirror:
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Definetily agree with you, Zirror..
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What if Crocodile just says "Fuck it" and sandstorms everything? what if he escapes and makes up plans on how to take Lucci out and waits for Lucci to fall in some kind of trap? Sounds to me more like something Croc would do then just face a potentially strong enemy head on.
That ultra-sandstorm you might refer to only works in the Desert and only where strong wind blows (like between rainbase and yuba). As you might imagine, Sand itself can't creat wind. (As he stated it himself as he created that thing during their first encounter, "IT will grow so big that even I can't control it")
And Crocodile really tried to kill Luffy, in my opinion, with everything he'S got from the point where luffy hit him with his "Mizu Mizu no Pistol". And still failed miserably, espacially when the two were fighting in the Tomb or Grave or whatever this was with the Porneglyph inside of it.
Meaning that Crocodile has, as he states himself ("While fighting in the desert, noone in the entire world can hope to defeat me"), a very good chance of winning when they fight in alabasta/in the desert. But as soon as it is in, say, water 7 or enies lobby, he doesn't stand a chance, not even a little one.
And, honestly, preperation that might be Crocs strong point is pointless when we are talking about "One on One". And I don't think, even if we put it in somekind of "Story", that Croc could prepare for it, since Spandam might jsut send lucci to "kill him" without croc even knowing about it. -
would crocodile be anywhere but in the desert of his own free will? He is either there or incarsirated. any arguments about the fight beeing elsewhere is just silly.
… he succseeded out in the open, if it wasnt for the insane luck that the water came down on Luffy again and rehydrated him he would have been dead. Lucci is not likely to be able to pull off a stunt like that even if he is equally lucky. (due to him not beeing able to carry water around and launching it in the same way). Just because Luffy managed to pull something off doesnt mean Lucci would too. he would have to go down a different path.
In the tomb croc is limited by the space and the fact that the final pieces of his plan is comeing together... if Robin, Cobra and the phoneglyph wasnt there he would never have gone inside and limited himself like that.I dont recall everything about the sandstorm so il just have to take your word for it. but he did seem to be able to controll where his sand was blown to.
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you realise that Crocs headquaters, where he spend most of his time, was in rainbase, in a Casino surrounded by Water and a big Tank of Water with Crocodiles in it, right?
Not only would the space be limited, but there would be plenty of water to take him out too. And how could anyone forget Lucci's famous "Rankyaku to the wall so seawater comes in" to take out the other SHs?
He could simply do that and then Soru/Geppou (= Kamisori) the hell out of there. -
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This thread shoud be renamed "power of lucci compared to crocodile" .
There are others shichibukais .Now crocodile is not a warlord anymore but another strong pirate since he lost his title , the characters who can go against him are either warlords , emperors and emperor's commander , high tier marines and other strong pirates like luffy or blackbeard .
Anybody below that level can't beat him .
Yes crocodile is still high tier , low high tier but still high tier .
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I was under the impression that Crocodile could move as he wanted in sand form giveing him a quick, easy and untouchable form of escape to the outside.
Also wouldnt he have some kind of security system in his casino that warns him of Luccis arrival?I don't know about this escape system since it was never used in the manga/anime, but I kinda doubt it since there is no sand at all close or in the Casino?
And about the security system, I kinda doubt that there is something like survalliance cameras and I even doubt more that some of crocodiles goons know luccis face, since CP9 is nothing you report about in the newspaper. Crocodile himself might know him tho
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An Empty boast, Lucci doesn't have the skill nor power to realize. Crocodile would kill Lucci.
Lucci can NOT beat a World power member there is a reason why he is just CP9.
Seriously? If Luffy can figure it out, Lucci can, there both physical fighters, and Luffys rubber body made no difference in the fight, theres is no reason Lucci wouldn't win. I'm sick of this "He's a shichibukai" BS. Lucci is a secret agent for the world government, not exactly weak. Lucci is smarter, faster and stronger than Alabasta Luffy, theres is no way he would loose to Crocodile. Any idiot knows that water makes sand stick, it's not some super amazing secret, it's coming fucking knowledge.
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just because water "makes sand stick" doesnt mean that one would assume its a natural weakness that prevents transforming. i mean his power is to drain water.
Glue is sticky but that doesnt (shouldnt atleast) prevent Ace, Smoker or Aokiji from dissolving into their elements.Sand doesnt behave that differently under water as it does above water. the surface tension in water makes wet sand apear differnet then dry sand though.
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just because water "makes sand stick" doesnt mean that one would assume its a natural weakness that prevents transforming. i mean his power is to drain water.
Glue is sticky but that doesnt (shouldnt atleast) prevent Ace, Smoker or Aokiji from dissolving into their elements.Sand doesnt behave that differently under water as it does above water. the surface tension in water makes wet sand apear differnet then dry sand though.
Once you're first attack fails because Croc turns into sand, you should be able to tell that water is it's wekness, you know, like a sand castle. Sand doesn't really have any other weaknesses other than water.
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what about extreme heat? beeing turned into glass would kinda suck.
its just that imo water isnt that obvious that it would prevent him from turning elemental. especially considering a DF user wouldnt be so quick to move to a body of water because if they are submerged they loose their strenght.
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what about extreme heat? beeing turned into glass would kinda suck.
its just that imo water isnt that obvious that it would prevent him from turning elemental. especially considering a DF user wouldnt be so quick to move to a body of water because if they are submerged they loose their strenght.
but Lucci is pretty smart. I think if Luffy could figure it out, Lucci could too.
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didnt Luffy see it in action? imo Luffy has a kinda twisted logic in figureing things out. can a rational mind really see the same thing? I mean i personaly would never imagine that a guy whos power is to drain any liquid out of an object with his hand(s) would be bothered by water or any other liquid… it just isnt rational to me.
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and Rob Lucci is rational?
I do agree that his powers don't make complete sense. I always wondered how he could drain water out of people. Especially when it's his weakness.