Hey yo
Now that alot of people think Franky will join,
don' t you think a Logia-user would be welcome for the mugiwaras?
Or are the logia-users only supposed to be ennemies of the mugiwaras?
thanks and sayonara
Logia-user for mugiwaras!
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let this be discussed in general OP. thanks.
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Logia users should definitely only be enemies. It's part of the series charm that the heroes are always the underdogs, and a logia user would just have too much power.
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What's wrong with having a lot of power? It's not like they don't already have a lot of power. Luffy finds a way to beat just about everyone eventually, including two Logia users.
They kind of need a lot of power considering they'll probably always be a small crew. -
A logia user would be too powerful for the strawhats. Unless there was another logia user for him/her too fight in every storyline after he/she joins, the enemies would be easily overwhelmed. Its a cool idea yes, but it would be detrimental to the story.
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Logia users should definitely only be enemies. It's part of the series charm that the heroes are always the underdogs, and a logia user would just have too much power.
And Nico Robin isn't? She can literally destroy a victim in seconds flat provided they aren't Logias themselves nor too big or heavy for her arms. (Or some other trait that her hand movements don't work on.)
I still say my plant Logia idea would work. Unlike other Logias which aren't made of anything that can feel pain, you CAN hurt plants so turning into foliage would avoid harmful one hit kills but still cause slight pain since you're hurting the plants that they're made of.
I'm sure there's a Logia that can be done without being as overly powerful as Crocodile, Eneru, or Ao Kiji.
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I'd say a Logia would be fine if they're something like Rock or Wood which can't be hideously overpowered.
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I wonder if there's such thing as a food-type logia user. :biggrin:
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Eh…yyeah. Instead of making the dumb joke that was scheduled to appear here I'll just agree with Carter.
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I think if a logia user does appear on the Straw Hats he/she'll either have the elements mentioned above; or something really strange (like paper or something). I think the next crew member will probably be a musician, so maybe a….sound logia?
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Rock still has the potential to be ridiculously overpowered. Wood would be nice, as it's so vulnerable to fire and doesn't have that much raw offensive power. But the best would be a stupid, seemingly harmless element like sugar or a really disgusting one like … Yeah I'll leave it at that.
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I don't really see how Rock can be that overpowered, since most enemies can shatter and even slice it with ease.
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As most of the fighting in OP takes place on islands, I think a earth/rock Logia user could make ridiculous damages.
Imagine someone controlling the entire battlefield and being able to lauch attacks from every part of the ground. He could create earthquakes and change his opponents into rock statues like Medusa.
As for slicing and shattering it… I don't think even guys like Luffy and Zoro would be too comfortable with dozens of huge rock boulders raining down on them.
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Well, the same could be said for wood, since there's plants everywhere.
I never saw it explained that the logia users have complete dominance over whatever they're made of.
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I suppose anything is possible in one piece, from what we have seen though, all the logia users have been set as people that wouldn't join the crew and I believe that is the way it will stay.
Obviously, there is Enel and Crocodile enemies of the SHs
Aokiji and Smoker, while they has proven he doesn't always approve of the WG they are still on the side of justice
Ace, Luffy's brother who has teamed up with the SHs for a bit but he has stated his allegiance with Whitebeard.How many Logia users we will see in the future, I don't know but the ones we've seen so far pretty much no chance of joining.
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@Cap'n:
Well, the same could be said for wood, since there's plants everywhere.
But all plants aren't made of wood. Sure, you could say that there's different types of rock, but to make things simplier I'm sure Oda would give a Earth Logia user the power to control all forms of solid earth (not mud, lava, or sand for that matter).
@Cap'n:
I never saw it explained that the logia users have complete dominance over whatever they're made of.
Remember what Crocodile said: he's invincible in the desert. I concluded from it that Logia users are far more powerful when they're surrounded by the element they control.
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It's not likely for Logia to join the Mugiwaras at any time prior to Raftel; they're too powerful and would be insane in combat. One might join temporarily (as Ace did in the OP anime), but a long-term crew member? Not likely.
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Theory!
What if the three classes of DF come from different sources.
Perhaps the Marine has the primary source of Logia DF, or the Logia DF was a creation of theirs, which would explain why most (excepting Ener) of the Logia have either been in the Marine or Marine-sanctioned (Crocodile)
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Remember what Crocodile said: he's invincible in the desert. I concluded from it that Logia users are far more powerful when they're surrounded by the element they control.
That sounded like boasting more than him stating it as a fact, like Enel calling himself god. Also, when Croc sent that sandstorm after Yuba during his first fight with Luffy, he even said he wouldn't have been able to stop it. As seen in the top right panel.
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Remember what Crocodile said: he's invincible in the desert. I concluded from it that Logia users are far more powerful when they're surrounded by the element they control.
I think what he means there is that, in the desert there is no water / rain. Without that he can't be beat, therefore that would make him "invincible"
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As long as they aren't some kind of elemental logia user. Like the weakest logia DF would be nice.
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@Bad-Beat:
I think what he means there is that, in the desert there is no water / rain. Without that he can't be beat, therefore that would make him "invincible"
Sure, that's also true. But he states that no one can beat him in the desert just after he used Desert Girasole, an attack we've never seen before and will never see after that would have killed Luffy without Robin's help.
It seems completely logical to me that Logia users can take advantage of the environment surrounding them to create new and more powerful attacks if that environment is in majority composed of the element they're made of. I don't see how you could even argue against that.
@Mr.:
That sounded like boasting more than him stating it as a fact, like Enel calling himself god. Also, when Croc sent that sandstorm after Yuba during his first fight with Luffy, he even said he wouldn't have been able to stop it. As seen in the top right panel.
It is also stated in Red Grand Characters, "sand is his ally, never fight him in the desert".
As for him not being able to stop the sandstorm, I don't see what this has to do with anything. He doesn't control wind, does he?
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@Cap'n:
I don't really see how Rock can be that overpowered, since most enemies can shatter and even slice it with ease.
I see your point and actually would agree with it. But ever since I saw Aokiji I´m not sure how much this argument would apply in One Piece.
Before Aokiji I would have said, ice unlike fire a solid material that can be cut, shattered and broken. And Nico Robin did that actually to Aokiji. But in the end Aokiji formed his back to normal again.
To form ice in the form it was previously it needs to be molten to water, put in a form and frozen later on. An ice form can´t turn back to its usual form like water that you fill back in into a bottle. That said, what Aokiji did is not a real property of ice but he still did it. So in One Piece it might be logic that rock and wood powers would could also follow some unconventional rules.
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True, Ivotas. There are no weak Logias. You either find their weakness and harm them or you don't harm them at all. That said, i do hope for a Logia to join the SH. As mentioned before, Robin is already quite overpowered. She would have decimated any foe, excluding the Logias (I believe she would have found a way to beat the giants even). So what difference does a Logia make?
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Well, as OP progresses, the original SHs themselves are getting really really strong, so perhaps by the time they meet an eventual logia mugiwara, most of the fighter SHs will be more or less at logia fighting level and that way, a logia user mugiwara wouldn't seem extremely overpowered anymore.
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Personaly I think if Mugiwaras would get a Logia user, they would get maybe a bit too strong, but what bad is there? And if one with Logia powers, would ask Luffy to join, i think Luffy wouldn't have any problem with it, unless he wants to be the capiteno… But sadly, all current logias have chosen theirside, and that is not with Luffy. Ace The White Beards, Crocodile BW, Smoker Goverment, Ao koji (not sure i typed it right) goverment too, Eneru God... hmmm... I don't think there are anymore currenty, or are there?
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That depends if you want to count the movies as there is a "liquid" logia and a candy syrup logia.
Hell, pretty much anything can be a Logia at this point if candy syrup is a candidate. Regardless of the movies being canon or not. Besides, the Logias seem to be more element based yet Smoker has smoke and that's not really an element if you ask me.
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@Mr.:
I think if a logia user does appear on the Straw Hats he/she'll either have the elements mentioned above; or something really strange (like paper or something). I think the next crew member will probably be a musician, so maybe a….sound logia?
If it's paper, than that would be to close to that girl from Read or Die who can manipulate paper…
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I personally don't see one joining the crew as a fully fledged strawhat pirate. Allies are acceptable, but like most have said, a logia user would be too overpowered to be a strawhat regular.
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I wonder if there's such thing as a food-type logia user. :biggrin:
That guy wouldn't survive in the Strawhat crew five minutes.:laugh:
Hell Luffy wanted to eat Chopper, what would stop him from eating a man made out of food.
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What function/job would a Logia user have on the ship? This seems to have formed the basis of all current crew members, right?
Nami = Navigator
Zorro = Helmsman
Ussop = Marksman
Sanji = Cook
Chopper = Doctor
Robin = Archeologist
Franky * = shipwrightAn engineer perhaps?
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Dear lord if Zoro is the helmsman then they will never ever get to Raftel. The Strawhats don´t have real helmsman yet. Everyone of the guys already played that role at least once but that´s it. But none of them is a helmsman per se.
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why would a person's DF ability have anything to do with their position/ role on the ship? If Robin didn't have her DF ability, would that prevent her from being an archaeologist?
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@Bad-Beat:
why would a person's DF ability have anything to do with their position/ role on the ship? If Robin didn't have her DF ability, would that prevent her from being an archaeologist?
Completely forgot to point that out cause that Zoro = Helmsman thing was too much of a shocker for me.
Yeah, you´re right Bad-Beat. The DF power doesn´t have anything to say about the role somebody fills in. Luffy would be as much a good captain if he had eaten any other fruit or if he wouldn´t have eaten none after all.
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@Bad-Beat:
why would a person's DF ability have anything to do with their position/ role on the ship? If Robin didn't have her DF ability, would that prevent her from being an archaeologist?
Well, that's what I'm is trying to find out. Is there a role on a ship that would require Logia powers? Because to become a crewmember, you need to fill in a role…having Logia powers is just an afterthought in Luffy's mind anyway...
If we also follow parallelisms in the OP world, Luffy's crew has more roles filled that those we know that occupies Blackbeard's and Shank's crew...(that we know off though)
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@Bravoexo:
Well, that's what I'm is trying to find out. Is there a role on a ship that would require Logia powers? Because to become a crewmember, you need to fill in a role…having Logia powers is just an afterthought in Luffy's mind anyway...
If we also follow parallelisms in the OP world, Luffy's crew has more roles filled that those we know that occupies Blackbeard's and Shank's crew...(that we know off though)
I doubt Luffy would have a problem with a Logia joining and I don't think that it matters that every member has a specific role while onboard the ship, if Oda decides that he wants to add a Logia user then that's what will happen
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So true, its all up to the Oda man… And quoting to Bravoexo's post, they need a musican too, so it will be either Musican, or Mecanican as you said...
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Erm… are you guys forgetting that Nami-san is already doing elemental attacks? She's the crew's Logia user already, without having eaten a DF. We've seen her create thunderstorms on par with Eneru's(ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it was still huge). Let's wait until her fight to see if she hasn't started rivalling Ao Kiji and Ace.
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As for him not being able to stop the sandstorm, I don't see what this has to do with anything. He doesn't control wind, does he?
Oh, sorry. Misread something there.
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@Monkey:
Erm… are you guys forgetting that Nami-san is already doing elemental attacks? She's the crew's Logia user already, without having eaten a DF. We've seen her create thunderstorms on par with Eneru's(ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it was still huge). Let's wait until her fight to see if she hasn't started rivalling Ao Kiji and Ace.
This is a very good point. Although I wouldn't say that she's as strong or probably ever will be as say Aokiji, but it would be cool to see her fighting a Logia at some point. Perhaps one of these arcs there will be some non-boss Logias so people besides Luffy can get in on the action. Nami and Usopp (and maybe even Franky) would have field days with these, especially Nami - we have no idea what the Perfect Clima Tact does yet, maybe it can make fireballs or ice spears a la Aokiji (probably not, in fact as it has little to do with weather almost definitely not, bt I can dream can't I?
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Well… not ice spears, but definitely hailstorms and freezing blasts!
As to fire, the heat sphere isn't called "fire ball" for nothing (if I remember right, this may only be its German name). -
I think the heat sphere is called heat ball, literally "hiito" ball. I was exaggerating when I talked about ice spears, but if before she could make a smokescreen, maybe now she can make the air so hot it burns? Probably not, but speculation never hurt.
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@Monkey:
Erm… are you guys forgetting that Nami-san is already doing elemental attacks? She's the crew's Logia user already, without having eaten a DF. We've seen her create thunderstorms on par with Eneru's(ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it was still huge). Let's wait until her fight to see if she hasn't started rivalling Ao Kiji and Ace.
Nami is not a Logia user, cause she can't actualy form anykind of "objects", only balloons of heat, cold, and electricy, but with compaining those she can for a cloud, but that doesn't mean she is a logia user, just a person who knows how to make a huge thunder strike….
And fighting those two is imposible, cause when is she gonna get a single chance to attack, Ace and Ao kiji are ruthless, unlike Mr. 1's partner was, who she first time electrocuted, and the marines in the enes (not sure if typed right) lobby, they were in a kind of a shock, so they ddin't know to attack her, cause she didn't look that dangeourus...
