Incredible. Really.
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I think another chapter introducing Fukurou's "gimmick" would be warranted, and maybe a third for a final showdown. Still, Franky did a huge amount of damage in this chapter, and secured his awesomeness amongst the crew.
Chapter 404 "Franky VS Fukurou" Discussion
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for the lightning: maybe..
well the sky is like that just because it's the weather
but because of kaku the tower is kinda open so the lightning can come in
also, with franky's hair shape (sharp.. like a …lightning conductor) maybe, it collects the lightning (like how frankenstein becomes alive in the movie.. frankenstein.. franky hum coincidence?), and as his body is made of steel, the lightning goes up to his fist adding a electric effect to his punch…I don't believe that lightning hit Fukuro but the sky was almost clear a couple of minutes earlier. Thta's why people discuss where the bad weather suddenly came from.
Franky and Fukuro seems to be inside the tower and prtected form lightning strikes.
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To me that was the finishing blow but then again back in Alabasta, which was I think the last time we had a fight setup kind of like this, Oda actually put out little things declaring the winners when each fight ended.
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Bah. pa ti si res zarukano teslo worm. Ko si nekaj vtepeš v glavo mora vedno tvoja obveljat ne? pičkindim. nisi vredn da te pes poščije.
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Ivotas this is the point in the story where they literally declared war on the world government, they were the first pirates with the balls to do it (it seems COMPLETELY unheard of).
Dragon would obviously respect them for this, and being that he is (from what we've seen in the manga) a revolutionary, it would seem somewhat ideal for him to meet with and gain the favor of the people who just began the war.
Still, I don't really care if it's dragon or not, I honestly hope it's Nami's Clima Tact, because if she can do something this good (eg have lightning his a specific opponent instead of everyone like earlier and have a huge dark cloud storm that's HIGH in the sky instead of one like her first version) because it will obviously be of huge benefit to the strawhats from this point forward.
The only thing I'm sure of is that lightning struck Fukuro at the same time Franky punched him.
I agree with that. Yet I also agree with Ivotas to some extent. It'd be too soon for Dragon to show up now, in the middle of the CP9/Straw Hats fights, and would make for a pretty lame Deus Ex Machina if he had to save Luffy's ass from Lucci for ex. Still, I think we'll hear about him very soon as like TIW said pirates who just declared war on the world government are sure to be a topic of interest for the revolutionaries.
Still you've got to admit that scenery is highly reminiscent of Loguetown…
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I understand Ivotas's point to, but I disagree with him, I don't think we get to decide when it would be the right time for Dragon to show up.
Now this is easily debatable, but I find it really hard to believe that that was natural, especially because I think Dragon said storm right there. Also, Dragon is the only one not being blown away (he is the hooded figure to the right of the panel).
This panel is shown two panels before Franky's apparently KO blow (it might not be a ko but everyone agrees it was a very damaging hit). You can see that there are deep layers of clouds towards the top of this so I strongly disagree with the people who think Oda made an entire panel two panels before Franky even did anything just as an "effect" of his punch, and that he'd make it a panel like this if he did.
Here there is clearly a streak of lightning coming down at a forty-five degree angle from off panel. It's not reasonable to believe that an "effect" of Franky's punch would fit so perfectly with the panel depicted two before this one and that it would be so disconnected from the rest of the punch's effects, and in fact completely disconnected from franky in general (since it originates off the panel and comes down at a 45 degree angle to hit fukuro at the same point where franky is punching him).
DISCLAIMER. I am not saying that this is Dragon, I am just saying that lightning has struck Fukuro, it is very possibly the work of Nami when you consider that she wasn't shown at all for the entire chapter, she could have been working on her perfect climatact, and finally perfected it.
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Ivotas this is the point in the story where they literally declared war on the world government, they were the first pirates with the balls to do it (it seems COMPLETELY unheard of).
So what? It still is a long way until Luffy will get that far to threaten the Gorousei directly. He diclared war, that´s a fact. But he actually already started to cause problems for the WG, when he took down Crocodile. The Gorousei themselves said that if they take even one hole lightly the whole world (their whole world) will fall appart.
Dragon would respect them for this already. For the open declaration of war and the invasion of Enies Lobby even more. But still this is just the front door of the WG, it´s not the house itself if I may use that term. The Marine HQ, Maryjoa, 6 remaining Shichibukai and great Pirates as Whitebeard and Shanks still lay ahead. Luffy declared war on the WG, but you don´t win it with that. You just start it with that.
And the fact that Dragon appeared in the chapter that is named "The Legend has Begun" indicates for me that Dragon take an important part on the finale. He just had to appear here to get introduced. Having him running around Grand Line and having him watch out for the Strawhats would take a bit of his fascination away for me.
Fact is that Luffy destroyed Crocodile without the help of Dragon, even though the defeat of Croc might be in Dragons interest. I don´t think Dragon needs to appear here now.
Besides, the whole situation is different. Lucci is the one who will get defeated by Luffy´s bare hands as every antagonist does. Having Dragon interfere here would reduce Luffy to a shrimp. The only time Dragon helped Luffy was against Smoker, somebody who himself seems to be pursuing Luffy until the end. In order to have a confrontation between Smoker and Luffy that doesn´t end in a definite K.O. by either one of them the fight needs to get disrupted. Dragon was the factor. And ever since Smoker is on the run for the Strawhats.
Smoker is not yet an enemy who´s time has come to fight Luffy like a main antagonist. The question is if he ever will. Fact is, he is a totally different class of character then Lucci. Luffy never wanted to kick Smokers ass at any cost, but he needed to get past him. That´s where Dragon came into play. Against Lucci, nor against anyone else in CP9, the Dragon´s interferance would just be disturbing and pointless.
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There is "lightning" all over the page where Franky hits Fukuro. I think that the "lightning" where Franky hits Fukuro is just the effect of the impact. But the lightning outside IS strange, as it was mentioned earlier that it is never dark on Enies Lobby, the Nightless Island.
(Also, Franky has steel in him. That conducts electricity. The lightning would be redirected towards him, and he would die (or just get KOed, seeing as it is One Piece).
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I don't agree, so long as the lightning uses Fukuro as the grounding then Franky doesn't get zapped.
Anyway, I do agree with you there Ivotas. I'll say that most likely it isn't Dragon, but it is lightning that struck fukuro. It's either natural because Franky's head attracted the lightning like someone said, or nami did it, or Dragon did it. You make a really good point about Luffy being the one to beat Lucci, but again, the strawhats are in a race against time so I see no problem with outside forces helping the others (be it a natural storm or Nami's climatact).
Why would an effect come from off the panel immediately after we are shown a huge lightning storm? Could someone show me where a lightning strike coming from off the panel has been used as an "effect" of someone's punch in a past chapter that looks at all similar to this? I'm sorry but this just isn't the way Oda does effects, as far as I can remember.
But Kenechi you make a great point with regards to how Ennies Lobby is a "nightless" island, and right now it's looking dark.
Ivotas, I'm not saying this will happen, but what if Spandam gets to mariejoa before Luffy catches them? I'm not really sure as to how far he has to go to get there, could you explain? From what I understand, once he exits this underground tunnel he is in either Marijoa or Impel Down, is that correct, or does he have to take a boat AFTER the tunnel, etc?
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Franky is somewhere inside the building (wherever the kitchen is). People really think lightning came through the walls and hit Fukurou? Even the angle of the picture on page 18-19 is suspect. The "camera" is looking up from below at Franky. That white streak is most likely the path of Franky's punching fist being used as emphasis for his power.
On another note, isn't Franky still wearing his glasses? (despite being hit repeatedly in the face, must be some titanium glasses or something) He still has them on on page 17.
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There is "lightning" all over the page where Franky hits Fukuro. I think that the "lightning" where Franky hits Fukuro is just the effect of the impact. But the lightning outside IS strange, as it was mentioned earlier that it is never dark on Enies Lobby, the Nightless Island.
(Also, Franky has steel in him. That conducts electricity. The lightning would be redirected towards him, and he would die (or just get KOed, seeing as it is One Piece)..
I pretty much agree with your post. The lighning indoors is a special effect and the lightning outside is soemthing weird going on – probably Nami's doing. How would lightning strike somebody inside the kitchen? It could happen but it is very unlikly. If they had been fighting on the roof top I would have believed it was lightning.
Actually if you are hit by lightning in the real world you would probably survive.
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Heated discussion about Dragon…
I doubt he's going to appear at this moment. And anyway, what has Dragon to do with Franky? He's not even a StrawHat yet, is Dragon that good a stalker to know that Luffy is planning to invite him? His appearance now would ruin the whole "Save Robin" drama and seriously clash with the comedy we've been having lately. Who's going to pay attention to the ZoroKing siamese when you hae a whole Dragon to admire and worship? ;P
I'm digging it's Nami. Being the third crew member to join, it's her turn to get a reward. In this case as the woman powerful enough to "bring night over the bastion of daylight" or "rival Dragon's might" if he does turn out to have weather powers, the wind could still be some sort of rankyaku-esque move or maybe he has his own version of the Clima-Tact, one created before Usopp's. Think of it, we've seen it done in shonens before, the characters getting "power ups" in a certain order, the whole Digimon saga is a great example for that (Digimon Savers has started airing in Japan, yay!). It would also ensure that we get four more arcs :D ... although it would also mean Sanji wouldn't be getting his own bounty for a long time... D:
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The lightning isn't indoors as there is no roof.
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Heh, Franky's chapter was so awesome, I think everyone overlooked the mini story; what is Goldenweek up to? "Follow the rainbow"?
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There is some roof. As you can see not all the tower is in the open.
I`m also one of the guys thinking this is a special effect to show just how SUPEEERRR Franky is. He probably said some junk like "Now feel the wrath of Nature in my strike!" Also when trying to punch in Onion Franky mode a similar but much smaller effect was apparent in his fist.
Need a translation to say more.
EDIT: Also, is it just me or the whole Justice Tower split in half by kakuraffe disappeared in that pic on the last page?
baka^ni
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Yeah, crazy stuff there. Looks like she's casting some big color scheme or something. :/
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The lightning would never use Fukuro as ground, because Franky has steel in him. It is easily for Lightning to ground through steel than through a human body, and lightning always looks for the easiest way to ground.
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I still don't see how you guys are ignoring that it came from above the panel at a forty-five degree angle.
An effect generally comes from the actual thing doing the punching….
It's a single lightning strike and it's coming from the sky, how is it an "effect." I really don't understand how that's even reasonable looking at the pictures.
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The camera is looking from the floor. A strike coming in diagonally from that angle could well be horizontal // parallel to the ground. I don't see why you keep insisting that it came from the sky, there's no evidence to say that the kitchen was (or wasn't) at the same level as the room where kaku split the tower.
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The lightning would never use Fukuro as ground, because Franky has steel in him. It is easily for Lightning to ground through steel than through a human body, and lightning always looks for the easiest way to ground.
OP isn't a scientifically accurate manga, this has no bearing, especially since we have no idea as to the resistances that Franky has regarding electricity, and we have no idea what he spent 200,000 beli on. It's possible that he caused the lightning strike. Again, Oda literally DREW A LIGHTNING STRIKE coming from OFF THE PANEL and you people are saying it's a special effect of his punch and nothing more.
Show me where Oda drew a single lightning striking from off panel as an "effect" before with someone's really strong punch and I'll believe you, otherwise you have no grounds and you should go with what is illustrated….
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I still don't see how you guys are ignoring that it came from above the panel at a forty-five degree angle.
An effect generally comes from the actual thing doing the punching….
It's a single lightning strike and it's coming from the sky, how is it an "effect." I really don't understand how that's even reasonable looking at the pictures.
The problem with that is that if you look carefully (behind the SFX text and such) you can see that the lightning also does that in several other directions (including down)
Plus, Jabura's room is the only one without a roof (that's the room that got cut) -
I still don't see how you guys are ignoring that it came from above the panel at a forty-five degree angle.
An effect generally comes from the actual thing doing the punching….
It's a single lightning strike and it's coming from the sky, how is it an "effect." I really don't understand how that's even reasonable looking at the pictures.
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That stuff is an effect of the lightning itself, if I remember rightly, this is very similar to the way Eneru's lightning effects were.
I'm not going to keep arguing this obvious shit, when we get a translation we'll know whether the panel dedicated to showing the huge storm was just an "effect" or not, and we'll know if Franky did some kind of nature's fury punch or whatever.
I still can't find anywhere in the manga where Oda illustrated a punch, no matter how powerful, with electricity, unless electricity was actually involved (like with eneru).
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Why the hell would Oda go through the trouble of drawing a panel showing there's a thunder storm outside if it was just "special effects"? These "special effects" have the same design than Enel's attacks. It's the same design than the thunder strokes shown 3 panels before the punch connected.
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Why would Oda need Fukuro to be struck by Lightning? Wouldn't help Franky, he could match Fukuro with half a bottle of Cola left, so obviously he will destroy him with all three bottles. Don't see why lightning, or any outside help, would need to be involved in any way.
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Many thanks for the chapter, Zongcai. :happy:
What can I say? An awesome chapter. It was great to see Fukurou's Spider-Man stunts again. And Kumadori ends up in a fridge? LOL. Great action, great comedy, great comic book. Thank you very much, Oda-san.
And it looks like Miss Goldenweek and the others are leaving Crocodile and Mr.1 behind. Wonder what's going on with that. And yay! It's Mr.4's dog again! :laugh:
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it's franky's final blow , there were the same effects when he defeated nero .
If you don't believe me reread the part where he use ultimate hammer to finish him . ( chapte 373 )"if you don't have a flame and just have some smoke, then i don't need you , burn sucker!"
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Why the hell would Oda go through the trouble of drawing a panel showing there's a thunder storm outside if it was just "special effects"? These "special effects" have the same design than Enel's attacks. It's the same design than the thunder strokes shown 3 panels before the punch connected.
Last reply before a translation as this is obviously going nowhere:
Franky is a COMPLETELY humorous(?) character. He makes poses in the most serious moments (Fukurou explaining the key situation…) he is funny by just standing up doing nothing. I honestly believe that the panel with the lightning was for comic purposes. Once again, my guess is franky said: Now experience the full wrath of my punch. LIGHTNING super punch KO
it's franky's final blow , there were the same effects when he defeated nero .
If you don't believe me reread the part where he use ultimate hammer to finish him . ( chapte 373 )true true
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it's franky's final blow , there were the same effects when he defeated nero .
If you don't believe me reread the part where he use ultimate hammer to finish him . ( chapte 373 )Never truer words
This guy just ended the arguementNow someone concentrate on a translation
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it's franky's final blow , there were the same effects when he defeated nero .
If you don't believe me reread the part where he use ultimate hammer to finish him . ( chapte 373 )Yep, you've got a point. It seems there's some kind of electricity created by the power of the blow when he finishes Nero.
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True. I though I'd seen it somewhere before, but Lucchi just finished this argument.
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Oh shit, really? Well then I was way off. This argument seems settled then!
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Invisible Worm, where was that with Dragon and the STORM! thing from? The closest I could find from the Assult on Enis Lobby was Chapter 378 page 16-17, but there are enough differences in the picture that I don't see a match. (much less dragon)
If I think I'm insane, does it mean I'm not? Because a truly insane person wouldn't know that they are insane?
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Ivotas, I'm not saying this will happen, but what if Spandam gets to mariejoa before Luffy catches them? I'm not really sure as to how far he has to go to get there, could you explain? From what I understand, once he exits this underground tunnel he is in either Marijoa or Impel Down, is that correct, or does he have to take a boat AFTER the tunnel, etc?
Nope that´s definitely wrong. When he exits the tunnel he arrives at the Gate of Justice. That´s where all of them Spandam, Lucci, Robin, Hattori and Luffy are heading towards now. It was even said in the last chapter.
And after you pass the Gate of Justice, there´s only two places where you can get to, the one is the Marine HQ and the other is Impel Down. There is no mention of Maryjoa here.
it's franky's final blow , there were the same effects when he defeated nero .
If you don't believe me reread the part where he use ultimate hammer to finish him . ( chapte 373 )You sir are a genius! I´ve never ever noticed the lighting on Franky´s Ultimate Hammer back then against his fight with Nero. True it is nowhere the same size as it is now against Fukuro but then again, in his current fight this was the first move he performed with a completele fuel of Cola. Great eye and that before it appeared in the anime. Good eye!
And it appears that Franky is the most electrifying person in manga entertainment!
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Well, it seems to be a bit superfluous at this point to mention it since the "argument is settled," but I'd think that if Oda meant to have Fukuro struck by lightning then it would be so clear that we would not be arguing it.
I mean, the bolt that struck Buggy was huge as hell. If Oda intended to have Fukuro be struck and have it mean something, it wouldn't be a little sliver of a bolt that's being overshadowed by Franky's immense manliness.
And also, Franky would be in contact with Fukurou at the time of the alleged bolt striking and is made of metal, so he'd be zapped too.
I still think that the lightning outside is some silly dramatics for his SUUUPEEERRR, since most of the chapter is pretty silly.
I was also going to bring up the Ultimate Hammer, but I assumed everyone was already familiar with it. I guess it's because I've reread the chapter dozens of times since its release so I was overly familar with it. But I still think it isn't literal lighning but something drawn to show the sheer force of the impact.
But hell, it might be.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Invisible Worm, where was that with Dragon and the STORM! thing from? The closest I could find from the Assult on Enis Lobby was Chapter 378 page 16-17, but there are enough differences in the picture that I don't see a match. (much less dragon)
That was from Loguetown, I was just showing why people associate dragon with the storm in loguetown, like the lightning that struck Buggy and the wind that blew everyone away. I can find the exact chapter again if you'd like.
I really don't think the big storm outside is just dramatics for franky's move, it's shown before he does the move, and Fukuro even talks to him after it's shown. The storm, for whatever reason, really is there, and that's one thing I won't back down on (unless someone shows actual proof like someone did with the lightning illustration in franky's attack).
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Not dramatic special effects for the move, no, but for when he gets his sodas and is back to his max SUPER!!! power.
Maybe Nami did do something and it was a coincidence. I dunno.
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@Cap'n:
it wouldn't be a little sliver of a bolt that's being overshadowed by Franky's immense manliness.
Damn straight!!
On the subject of the storm, we'll have to wait for next chapter to settle it
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Well dude, Oda isn't one to waste space like that, and it shows Ennies Lobby as dark, I don't think he'd make a panel showing the never night-time island as dark just to illustrate Franky getting his cola back.
It's also possible that the thing Luffy destroyed is part of the reason that Ennies Lobby is always in daylight, and that destroying it will effect various things. Who knows, really, we'll just have to wait.
Of course, it'd also be interesting to see what the words on the storm panel are.
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Of course, it'd also be interesting to see what the words on the storm panel are.
It's "Nnnnnnn…Suuupaaaa!!!"
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Yeah, maybe it has something to do with Nami's new weapon.
Franky is supercool, but a storm appearing when he prepares a punch? I dunno… That's a little bit too supercool. XD
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eep! franky's going overboard with his coolness! XD
great chapter. thanks!
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I'm guessing that the storm's gonna stay there for who knows how long, so maybe it has an impact on the fights against the Marines on the island or something. Everbody's forgot about Paulie and the guys, right?
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Thanks for the chapter.
But what the hell?! POOR KUMADORI!
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was the attack franky used on fukurou the same on nero. Also if kudomari is defeated like that i'll be waaay disapointed. I dont think he is tho.
edit: @ verbatim im assuming your avatar is photoshop correct.
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Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
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I'm pretty sure the finishing blow was "STRONG HAMMER," judging by the kana.
edit yeah, it's Strong Hammer.
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Oh, I forgot this. I think Franky's cola power is a clear indication that Franky is a pirate parody of Popeye; not only does he share some of Popeye's distinctive traits, but he gets powered up when "consuming" something. Though Popeye consumes something healthy like Spinach, Franky "consumes" an unhealthy cola; how appropriate for a future pirate, neh?
This also goes along with our former resident bartender; Blueno resembles Bluto from Popeye, both in size and name. Even the Square Sisters resemble Olive Oyl (think: nose, twig-like appearence). Heck, does Zambai like hamburgers?
